Mehtab Singh

When u get mukti....

.... dont forget to put in a word for the rest of us lol

And see if shez really as cute as they all say she is :wink: :wink:

juz messing...

Brother, I have been in the EXACT same situation as yours. When I say exact, I mean exact word per word. Here are a few suggestions:

1. Tell your parents immediately, asap. Don't wait any longer. Trust me you will lose their trust forever if you don't tell them.

2. Don't lose hope, rather resolve to work harder and come out with flying colors in future.

3. Try studying something which you know you are good at and can be the best.

All the best brother!!

Rajs

I don't know you personally (and I am not the least bit interested either), therefore any comment I make about you could very well be taken with a pinch of salt. Nonetheless, reading your posts and responses over here and on Sikhsangat, I can be sure that your debating skills are pathetic. You confessed yourself on Sikhsangat that you are an ex-Sikh, which confirms my view that either your are one of those sell outs, or you are feeling so severely guilty that in order to share this guilt with someone else, you want to mess up another brain and recruit them in your category as well.

We Sikhs don't have anything against Christianity or Jesus. I am an ex-Hindu myself who took amrit only 17 months ago. But I don't go on Hindu forums and bash the religion because I feel I have found the true path and am happy following it. I let them be happy following their faith and I stay happy on my track. I don't have any insecurities about Hinduism and so I don't need to waste time dissing it. You on the other hand have loads of insecurities about Sikhism, which is why you point those out as flaws in the religion. What a sad way to debate and argue!!

I don't think you are getting at any higher spiritual stage by dissing another religion. If thats the case, I don't think you have any authority to come out of the blue and portray yourself as one who has come with the truth which alone can save us "doomed Sikhs". We have enough fake saints to do that and trust me we are getting sick of them.

You were a Sikh who became a Christian. You found the truth in Christianity, although you probably didn't go deep enough to understand Sikhism in the first place. But then again who am I to bother with that. You stay happy on your track and let others stay happy on theirs. Pointing fingers at things you don't fully know, or you don't understand will only raise the leve of your ignorance. So all I have to say to you is "Be the best Christian you can"! At the same time, let us be the best Sikhs we can. Since you claim to have found the truth in Christianity, why not spend time contemplating and following it rather than coming on cyber forums and teaching us what to do? You may cover up all this by saying "I just want to discuss", but dude, discussion would have been possible when you were still a Sikh and learning. Then things would have been different and your questions would be taken as querries from a seeker. Now that you've "found the way" and changed sides, any discussion from your side will turn into an inter-religious debate which usually gets nasty. So the solution is practise the truth that you claim to have discovered, and allow us to enjoy the gems and diamonds our Gurujee has blessed us with. If you are really guilty abot what you have done, you are always free to retrace your steps back. Jesus loves you right? Gurujee says Khalsa meri jaan ki jaan - Khalsa is the life of my life. So its still not too late bro.

Peace

Dude, you have been posting your bs on both this forum as well as Sikhsangat, and you never have a proper answer, rather you always tend to change the topic whenever you are trapped and try to take your debate to some next track (really bad debating technique). Unless and until you have some proper background knowledge about Sikhism, its hopeless to debate with you.

We are not descendants of apes

Who cares whose descendants we are? We need to live our lives the best way we can, end of story!

we are definitely not in a web of birth-death-rebirth cycle.

Too bad even science has proven that reincarnation does exist.

Reading or reciting “Baniâ€, “Kirtanâ€, etc. can never compensate for our sinful nature.

Your ignorance about Sikhism is made clear day by day. What do you think you know about Gurbani?

Gurus died and their bodies returned to dust just the like the rest of mankind.

Your problem is that you consider our Guru to be a mortal body. Sorry dude, Guru is jyot, divine light which never dies. Jesus isn't here today, but our Guru is. Our Guru is the true King and True Guru because our Guru is above death, and only the Truth is above death.

Jesus is the only resurrected one, who did rise from dead and his body did not see decay.

Guru Gobind Singh Jee beheaded the panj pyaare and brought them back to life. So by that logic our first panj pyaare were at par with Jesus.

Therefore, Jesus alone can unite us to God the Father because he came from God the Father and returned to Him to prepare a place for us, so that we can be where He is today – the King of kings, and the Lord of lords.

Akaal Purkh Himself instructed Guru Gobind Singh Jee to come to this earth and preach the true religion to the world.

God, in His unsurpassed wisdom and might, predicted this a long time ago and instigated a plan for the mankind – return of Jesus Christ – to claim back rightfully what is His, the children of God, redeemed by the blood of Christ.

And Guru Gobind Singh Jee said, not too long ago - RAJ KAREGA KHALSA!

Dude, tell me something...I mean seriously! Are you one of those ex-Sikh Punjabis who converted to Christianity after being paid a huge sum of money? And now are they gonna pay you another huge sum for as many Sikhs that you convert to Christianity? Do they cover your insurance, university fees (if you are a student), other expenses as well?

Surely there MUST be something in Sikhi that makes you feel so insecure that you just have to make attempts to find some possible fault in order to satisfy your ego. If you are such a die-hard Christian, fine! good for you! be the best Christian there is. Why do you bother people who are happy and committed to their faith? What you don't realize is that you are selling your religion, thereby degrading it yourself. So now think again which religion you are trying to put down - Sikhism? (which I presume was your religion initially but you became a sell out), or Christianity (the one you are selling like a commodity)?

He is right.

mummy!!!!! :cry: :cry: I am soooo annoyed!!!!!

Guru Nanak's statement "Na Koi Hindu, Na Koi Mussalman" neither made him a Sikh nor laid down foundation of a new religion.

It made it clear, as you yourself stated, that in God's eyes we are all one.

The statement actually belongs to Kabir

And whats your source?

Furthermore, if Nanak rejected identifying mankind through religion and caste, and preached the universal brotherhood of men, then why would he began a new religion?

Bhai Gurdas Jee clearly says in his vaaraan "Nanak nirmal Panth chalaya", and yet those totally uninformed about Sikhism continue to weep and wail that Guru Nanak Dev Jee didn't start a new faith.

Seriously tell me something. Do we listen to you guys who have no idea what you gys on about, or do we listen to Gurujee's words which are stated clearly? Don't you guys have anything better to do? You know you should spend more time trying to be better Christians or which ever respected faith you belong to, rather than trying to screw other people's brains with your theories. Not to attack your ego, but the only few "Sikhs" who fall for your words are those who are as uneducated about Sikhism as you yourself are. So just because you "conquered" the non-existent brains of a few doesn't mean everyone else will buy all that you have to sell.

The reason we don't go around preaching Sikhism to brainwash people is because we believe in freedom of religion, something our Gurus gave their lives for. Plus a diamond loses its charm if you sell it cheaply, which is why we don't sell doctrines like "Come my way or be destined to hell for eternity".

So once again, if you are here to discuss about Sikhism and learn something, you are more than most welcome. Don't worry we won't get anywhere close to converting you, and infact we too look forward to understanding Christianity better so that we can respect other faiths more than we already do. But if you are here only to diss our faith and our Gurus, and that too without knowing anything substantial about Sikhism, then I am afraid we shall always be at war.

Good luck and God bless!

It is quite evident from Sikh scriptures, Punjabi culture, customs and traditions that Sikhism is an offshoot of Hinduism with some Islamic theology adaptations, such as the concept of one God and rejection of idol worship.

Guru Nanak Dev Jee's words : na ko Hindu, na ko Musalmaan.

Historically, the ten gurus never ever disassociated themselves from Hinduism but remain within the parameter of Hinduism.

Gurujee has time & again emphasized in Gurbani that they are neither Hindu nor Muslim.

It was the British, who according to their policy “to divide and rule,†went about severing the umbilical chord and planting the seed of distinction between Sikhs and Hindus. In fact, for over hundred years, while most of the Sikhs were serving the British army, it was the Hindus, who never considered Sikh gurus as non-Hindus, looked after the Gurdwaras. Later, Singh Sabha, in early 20th century began to take control over the Gurdwaras and started to secede from Hindu religion for political reasons.

Same old rotten stuff!

however, if you are to take Gobind Singh’s baptism initiation as the beginning for Sikh religion then you will have to disqualify the previous nine gurus as Sikh Gurus because none of them were baptized.

Until the 9th Guru it was called Charan Pahul, and from Guru Gobind Singh Jee onwards it was Khande baate da Amrit. So all the Gurus WERE baptized.

You will also have to accept Gobind Singh’s baptism initiation as a failure because the number of Sikhs baptised at any given time in history and at present is pitifully low.

Because it takes one to be more than a mere human to go ahead and offer oneself at Gurujee's feet.

Were Guru Arjun and the rest of the Gurus running a parallel Guruship along the Guru Granth or, for over hundred year period it was just an ordinary book?

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee became the eternal Guru of the Sikhs in 1708 when Guru Gobind Singh Jee left His physical body. It was Him who passed on Gurgaddi to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee. Before that, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee (then called Adi Granth) was the main scripture of the Sikhs, but Guruship passed on only after Guru Gobind Singh Jee.

where were the Sikhs to take care of his remains or flowers?

Followers of Guru Nanak Dev Jee were both of Hindu and Muslim backgrounds, and each wanted to do the last rites as per their customs.

What about the bodies of later nine gurus? Since they were attributed with same jyote (guru’s spirit) then how come their bodies did not turn into flowers or whatever?

The lesson that was meant to be taught was that people should not hate each other based on religious differences. Each of the 10 Gurus came with an exclusive message, and so its absurd to ask "how come their bodies did not turn into flowers" like Guru Nanak Dev Jee's did. Next you will ask "why didn't the Gurus after Guru Arjan Dev Jee not have to sit on a hot plate?", or "why wasn't any other Guru besides Guru Tegh Bahadur Jee beheaded?"

Incorporating teachings of Farid, Ravidas, Surdas, Kabir, Ramanand, and many others, in the Granth is a clear indication of lack of original substance on part of the Gurus.

Perhaps you have a problem with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee being the only scripture in the world which sees no barriers to religion. You will never hear Allah in a Hindu mandir, and you will never hear Ram in a Muslim mosque. But in the house of Guru Nanak where all are loved equally, you will hear both "Sabhey ghatt Ram boley" and "Awwal Allah Noor upaya".

Does it mean Sikhs have no problem in walking into a Mosque, a Church, a Mandir, etc. and worshipping along with the people present there. After all, the same God is there as in the Gurdwara? Would Sikhs be willing to praise the name of Allah, meditate on Buddha, and sing Vishnu’s praise?

Sikhs respect other faiths and firmly believe that others should have freedom to worship according to their own religion, which is why Guru Tegh Bahadur Jee stood up for Hindus even at the cost of His life (something you probably didn't know of). Just because we respect other faiths doesn't mean we start following them. Its like one guy respecting his friend's dad starts calling the man as his own dad!! Ridiculous.

To understand Sikhism, one must see that it is a branch of Hinduism that was cut from the main tree and planted on its own which eventually generated roots and became a separate tree.

Try as hard as you may, but thats never gonna happen sweety. You may try to fool a few naive Sikhs with this ideology, but then again thats because they are naive.

However, even as a separate tree, it still contains the same characteristics as the original tree from which it was taken.

So? There are loads of similarities in Judaism, Christianity and Islam, does that mean they are 1 religion? Try reasoning with a Muslim that he is a Jew or a Christian.

After the British, Singh Sabha movement, which took over Nirankari and Namdhari movements of 19th century, began “creating†a unique Sikh identity to be identified with Sikhism, separate from Hinduism.

The separate identity was created by Dasmesh Pita Sahib Guru Gobind Singh Jee.

To that effect, new customs and rites were formed, for e.g., a new marriage ceremony for Sikhs – Anand Karaj in early 1900. Change of Hindu names; Hari Mandir (Golden Temple) became Darbar Sahib. Names of gurus, too, began to change – Arjun became Arjan; Hari Govind became Har Gobind, Govind Rai became Gobind Singh, Hari Krishan became Harkrishan. For the past 100 years, Sikh establishment has been “creating†history and concocting stories, in order to separate themselves from the Hindus, a trend originally set by the British to divide-and-rule India.

Another piece of propaganda.

Finally, on a personal level, I found that Sikhism has no answer for the ultimate barrier between God and mankind.

Since you believe that there is a barrier, and since you believe it is ultimate, you have already closed your eyes to the truth that Gurbani teaches, which is why you can't see it. Gurbani says that God is closer to us even more than our own limbs, yet you see this ultimate barrier and blame Gurbani for not teaching the truth? Do you have a problem?

In my search for the truth about God, I discovered that what actually separates us from God is sin.

Thats the duality thats stuck up in your head. You think that we are separate from God whereas actually its the relation between a drop and the ocean and can't be separated. Its maya/mammon that causes the duality.

Sikhism can never lead you to a path to God because it doesn't have one.

Maybe you can't see the path because its the shortest possible way to get to God. Happens dude! When one is blinded to a point that you close your eyes inspite of being blind, you tend not to see stuff thats obvious, so its not your fault.

All the Gurus died, and to think that there souls "merged" with God and the same can haapen to you is a fallacy.

The truth never dies. There have been loads of those who called themselves kings and masters, but where are they today? These kings and masters were all fake and temporary. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee was our True King (Sachey Patshah) centuries ago, and will remain the same till eternity. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee was our True Guru (SatGuru) centuries ago, and will remain the same till eternity. False are others who came and died, but this Guru Jot, this Shabad Guru is eternal.

Gurus, in their lifespan, never did wash anybody's sins and neither can it be done today by reciting the Gurbani - just like going to Mecca or, washing in Ganges does nothing for your sins. Only by accepting Jesus Christ as Saviour, our sins may be forgiven, and salvation attained.

Jesus said "No one comes to the Father but through me". With all due respect to Jesus (something you don't have for our Gurus), let me point out that he in a way compelled people to follow him if they wanted to go to heaven, or else they were doomed. It seems as though he wanted them to become his followers in return/exchange for his sacrifice.

But look at the greatness of Dhann Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Jee, who sacrificed His life for another faith (Hinduism...yup it was another faith because Gurujee wasn't Hindu) and never asked for anything in return. No thanks, no acknowledgement, and didn't ask even a single Hindu to become a Sikh since He was sacrificing His life for their freedom of religion. Beat that!

I am really sorry to say this, but your knowledge on Sikhism is totally hopeless. I feel for you bro!

Before making your next post, make sure you read this :

This should wake you up - Sikhism - By Janet Lant : http://www.searchsikhism.com/si3.html

Other stories to give you a rude shock : http://www.searchsikhism.com/stories.html

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1365696.cms

NEW DELHI: Over 100 hand grenades were found in the Golden Temple complex during Kar Seva on Tuesday, according to a TV news channel.

The building from where the grenades were recovered is about 50 metres from the Golden Temple. It is one of the buildings in the SGPC (Shiromani Gurudwara Prabandhak Committee) complex.

Police were immediately called to the scene and are now combing the area. It was not confirmed if the grenades were recently planted or were part of the ammunitions stored in the temple complex during the days of Sikh militancy.

It may be recalled that in 1984 the Golden Temple complex was the scene of a bloody military action - Operation Blue Star – to flush out terrorists hiding in the complex.

Authorities are not making any comment or confirmation as yet on the discovery of the grenades. Further details are awaited.

RACISM - EXCELLENT READING

This took place on a BA flight between Johannesburg and London.

A white woman, about 50 years old, was seated next to a black man.

Obviously disturbed by this, she called the air Hostess.

"Madam, what is the matter," The hostess asked.

"You obviously do not see it then?" she responded. "You placed me next to a black man. I do not agree to sit next to someone from such a repugnant group. Give me an alternative seat."

"Be calm please," the hostess replied. "Almost all the places on this flight are taken. I will go to see if another place is available."

The Hostess went away and then came back a few minutes later.

"Madam, just as I thought, there are no other available seats in the economy class. I spoke to the captain and he informed me that there is also no seat in the business class. All the same, we still have one place in the first class."

Before the woman could say anything, the hostess continued: "It is not usual for Our company to permit someone from the economy class to sit in the first class. However, given the circumstances, the captain feels that it would be scandalous to make someone sit next to someone so disgusting."

She turned to the black man, and said, "Therefore, Sir, if you would like to, please collect your hand luggage, a seat awaits you in first class."

At that moment, the other passengers who were shocked by what they had just witnessed stood up and applauded.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051127/india_nm/india225191

Nepal to probe mystery 'Buddha' boy By Gopal Sharma

Sun Nov 27, 2:50 AM ET

KATHMANDU (Reuters) - Authorities in Nepal urged religious groups and scientists on Sunday to help solve the mystery of a meditating teenaged boy who some believe is an incarnation of Buddha.

At least 100,000 devotees from Nepal and neighbouring India have flocked in recent weeks to a dense forest in southeastern Nepal to see 15-year-old Ram Bahadur Bamjon, who, his associates say, has been meditating without food or water for six months.

Shanta Raj Subedi, district administrator of Bara, 150 km southeast of Kathmandu and where the boy is meditating, said he had requested the Lumbini Development Trust, a Buddhist panel, and the Royal Nepal Academy of Science and Technology to get to the bottom of the mystery.

"We want to investigate claims that the boy has survived for so long without food or drink," Subedi said.

Bamjon sits cross-legged beneath a "pipal" tree, which is sacred to Hindus, with his eyes closed in meditation. He does not speak and followers are only allowed to see him from a distance of 50 metres.

The young mystic is hidden from public view at night behind a curtain drawn by his followers. Doctors observing from a distance have said the boy is breathing normally but is weak.

Local journalist Govinda Devkota, who has visited the site, said the boy sits with a shawl across his chest from armpit to shoulder, in the same posture as Buddha is shown in pictures.

The number of visitors had reached up to 10,000 a day but fewer people are going to the retreat now, he said.

"He sits motionless from dawn to dusk when visitors are allowed to see him. This demands something," said Devkota. "But whether he is an incarnation of Buddha, I have doubts because we don't know what he does at night. This must be investigated."

His mother, Maya Devi -- the same name as that of Buddha's mother -- said Bamjon, the third of her seven children, is a quiet boy who kept aloof from friends.

"Initially, I was worried about him. But now I am happy. He is in devotion to Buddha," Devi told Nepali daily, Rajdhani.

Buddha, who founded Buddhism, was born a prince in Lumbini, a dusty village in Nepal's rice growing plains about 350 km west of the capital Kathmandu, over 2,600 years ago.

He attained enlightenment at Bodh Gaya in Bihar that borders Nepal.

also see: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10179215/

Ok now I saw this news myself on Aaj Tak news channel from India. He spoke only twice in 6 months, and once was when he specifically said that he is NOT Buddha.

http://www.bsingh.dsl.pipex.com/khalsa/news32.htm#wars

Bravery and the Sikh Spirit

Excerpts from the book ‘Crisis of Leadership’ by Maj. General M. Khan of Pakistan about the bravery of the Sikh soldiers during the Indo-Pak war.

"....the main reason of our defeat was Sikhs fighting facing us. We were helpless to do anything in front of them. Sikhs are very brave and they have a great craving for martyrdom. They fight so fiercely that they are capable of defeating an army many times bigger than theirs."

"....On 3rd December 1971, we fiercely and vigorously attacked the Indian army with our infantry brigade near Hussainiwala border. This brigade included Pakistan army’s fighter Punjabi regiment together with the Baloch regiment. Within minutes we pushed the Indian army quite far back. Their defence posts fell under our control. The Indian army was retreating back very fast and the Pakistani army was going forward with a great speed. Our army reached near the Kausre-Hind post. There was a small segment of the Indian army appointed to defend that post and their soldiers belonged to the Sikh Regiment. A few number of the Sikh Regiment stopped our way forward like an iron wall. They loudly greeted us with the ovation of ‘Bole-so-Nihal’ and attacked us like blood thirsty hungry lions and hawks. All these soldiers were Sikhs. There was even a dreadful hand-to-hand battle. The sky filled with roars of ‘Yaa Ali’ and ‘Sat-Siri-Akal’. Even in this hand-to-hand fighting the Sikhs fought so bravely that all our desires, aspirations and dreams were shattered."

".....In this war Lt. Col Gulab Hussain of Baloch Regiment got killed. With him Major Mohammed Zaeef and Captain Arif Alim also died. It was difficult to count the number of soldiers who got killed. We were astonished to see the courage of those handful of Sikh soldiers. When we seized the possession of the three-storey defence post of concrete, the Sikh soldiers went onto the roof and kept on persistently opposing us. The whole night they kept on showering fires on us and continued shouting the loud ovation of ‘Sat-Siri-Akal’. These Sikh soldiers kept on the encounter till the next day. Next day the Pakistani tanks surrounded this post and bombed it with guns. Those handful of Sikhs got martyred in this encounter while resisting us, but other Sikh soldiers then destroyed our tanks with the help of their artillery. Fighting with great bravery they kept on marching forward and thus our army lost its foothold."

"....Alas, a handful of Sikhs converted our great victory into a big defeat and shattered our confidence and courage. ." "....The same thing happened with us in Dhaka(Bangladesh). In the battle of Jaissur, the Singhs opposed the Pakistani army so fiercely that our backbone and our foothold was lost. This became the main and important reason of our defeat and the Sikhs’ fancy for martyrdom and mockery with death for the sake of safety and honour of the country, became the sole cause of their victory."

The bravery and spirit of sacrifice of Sikhs were respected and honoured by one and all.

http://headlines.sify.com/news/fullstory.p...ng'~Virgin~Mary

Believers flock to 'crying' Virgin Mary

By Juliet Williams in Sacramento (California)

Sunday, 27 November , 2005, 10:46

Carrying rosary beads and cameras, the faithful have been coming in a steady stream to a church on the outskirts of Sacramento for a glimpse of what some are calling a miracle: a statue of the Virgin Mary they say has begun crying a substance that looks like blood.

It was first noticed more than a week ago, when a priest at the Vietnamese Catholic Martyrs Church spotted a stain on the statue's face and wiped it away. Before Mass on November 20, people again noticed a reddish substance near the eyes of the white concrete statue outside the small church, said Ky Truong, 56, a parishioner.

Since then, Truong said he has been at the church day and night, so emotional he can't even work. He believes the tears are a sign.

"There's a big event in the future—earthquake, flood, a disease," Truong said. "We're very sad."

On Saturday, tables in front of the fenced-in statue were jammed with potted plants, bouquets of roses and candles. Some people prayed silently, while others sang hymns and hugged their children. An elderly woman in a wheelchair wept near the front of the crowd.

A red trail could be seen from the side of the statue's left eye to about halfway down the robe of concrete.

"I think that it's incredible. It's a miracle. Why is she doing it? Is it something bothering her?" asked Maria Vasquez, 35, who drove with her parents and three children from Stockton, about 50 miles south of Sacramento.

Thousands of such incidents are reported around the world each year, though many turn out to be hoaxes or natural phenomena.

The Diocese of Sacramento has so far not commented on the statue, and the two priests affiliated with the church did not return a telephone message on Saturday.

The Reverend James Murphy, deacon of the diocese's mother church, the Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrament, said church leaders are always sceptical at first.

"For people individually seeing things through the eyes of faith, something like this can be meaningful. As for whether it is supernatural or a miracle, normally these incidences are not. Miracles are possible, of course," Murphy said. "The bishop is just waiting and seeing what happens. They will be moving very slowly."

But seeing the statue in person left no doubt for Martin Operario, 60, who drove about 100 miles from Hayward. He took photos to show to family and friends.

"I don't know how to express what I'm feeling," Operario said. "Since religion is the mother of believing, then I believe."

Nuns Anna Bui and Rosa Hoang, members of the Salesian Sisters of San Francisco, also made the trek on Saturday. Whether the weeping statue is declared a miracle or not, they said, it is already doing good by awakening people to the faith and reminding them to pray.

"It's a call for us to change ourselves, to love one another," Hoang said.

lucky kabooter

now im jealous of them

SAB TE VADDA SATGUR NANAK JIN KAL RAAKHI MERI

Gurpurb diyaan sab nu lakh lakh vadhaiyaan

This is from my limited knowledge. A Singh told me that Sri Harimandir Sahib is the symbol of peace, and the jakara is a warcry. So probably thats 1 reason why its not raised there?

Anyone else have more info?

From the BBC

Deadly blasts hit Indian capital

At least 20 people have been killed and scores wounded in a series of suspected bomb blasts in India's capital, Delhi.

Two explosions took place in markets in central and southern Delhi which were crowded with people shopping ahead of religious festivals next week.

The third blast occurred in the area of Govindpuri which is in the southern part of the city.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh blamed "terrorists" for the blasts and said he would not tolerate militant violence.

No-one has yet admitted carrying out the explosions.

Pakistan condemnation

Details of the casualties are still unclear. Although 20 people are confirmed dead, unofficial reports say up to 50 may have been killed.

The blasts left a scene of widespread devastation

Government officials indicated most of those killed died in the blast at the southern Sarojini Nagar market.

They said a number also died in the first explosion, in the crowded central neighbourhood of Paharganj, an area close to Delhi's main railway station and popular with Western backpackers.

Some reports say the Govindpuri blast was a bus bomb and that three people died, although this could not be confirmed.

Prime Minister Singh, who is in the north-east but is returning to Delhi immediately, urged people to remain calm.

"The prime minister has expressed shock and distress over the blasts but has asserted that militant violence would not weaken the country's resolve to fight terrorism," spokesman Sanjaya Baru said.

India's long-term rival Pakistan condemned the explosions.

Its foreign ministry said in a statement: "Pakistan strongly condemns the terrorist attacks in Delhi, which have resulted in the loss of a number of innocent lives.

"The attack in a crowded market place is a criminal act of terrorism."

Many shops were damaged in the market blasts.

"The blast was so powerful, my house shook," Kiran Mohan, a photo editor who lives about 200m (650 ft) away from Sarojini market, told Associated Press.

Babu Lal Khandelwal, a shop owner in Paharganj, said: "There was black smoke everywhere. When the smoke cleared and I could see, there were people bloody and people lying in the street."

The BBC's Paul Danahar, who was at the site of the blast in Sarojini Nagar, says the scene was one of carnage and confusion.

Most of the people affected were ordinary people out shopping in the festival season, he says.

Both the Hindu festival of lights known as Diwali and the Muslim festival of Eid fall next week.

In May one person died and 49 were wounded by bombs at two Delhi cinemas - an attack blamed on Sikh militants.

Wait up now. Dont start off at the stuff in blue. Its just a statement, no one is blaming the Sikhs for this particular attack.

u may get it at an AKJ samagam, or try contacting Singh Bros. in Amritsar. I heard they print it.

I found some info on prema bhakti which might interet you sangat ji

http://www.babanandsinghsahib.org/maryada/premabhagti.htm

waheguru!!!!! thats amazing!!!!! thanks for sharing

I have watched this on 'Aaj Tak'.

hanji thats exactly where i saw it as well

I saw it on the news yesterday. In a village in UP (northern India) a man came back to life after being dead for 3 hours. On October 2, this man called Gajraaj passed away at 4.30 AM. 5 jamdoots took him to Jamlok where he stayed for 3 hours. After 3 hours it was found out that it was Gajraaj's chacha's time and not his, and so he was sent back. He came back to life at 7.30 AM, just before he was going to be cremated. He told everyone about his chacha, and 3 hours later at 10.30 AM, his chacha, who was fully fit and healthy, and was going to work, passed away. No one knows how he died, he just died.

Gajraaj described the jamdoots as bearded and wearing black clothes. He met Jamraaj as well. The place was stunningly beautiful and there was light all around, although he didn't know the source of this light.

I saw his interview on TV, first recorded and then live. The fear this man had in his eyes made it certain that all he was saying was 100% true. He is only 35, but his ill-health makes him look over 50.

What cracked me up was when Gajraaj described how Jamraaj scolded the Jamdoots "iss ulloo ke pathhay ko kahaan se uthaa laaye?" "where the hell did u get this idiot from?"...and he said this on national TV!

Yesterday (Wednesday) morning as I waited for my college bus, I totally forgot that it was Ramadan, the Islamic holy month when Muslims fast from sunrise to sunset. My throat felt dry, thanks to the heat, and I had a can of Sprite on the side of the road at 10.15 in the morning when the roads are busy. Only after throwing away the can did I realize that I had done something forbidden here by law. I giggled to myself for the whole day thinking that no one probably wanted to mess with me, a hairy and scary person. But when I told my parents in the evening what I had done, they were severely shocked and told me that I had barely escaped, and that God had rescued me miraculously.

According to the law here, if you are caught eating or drinking in public during Ramadan, you are put in jail for the whole month, your head, face, eyebrows and eyelashes are all shaved off, and in the jail everyone starves from sunrise to sunset.

Gurujee saved me!

ps: I just want to make it clear that most people in this country are probably not even aware of such laws. I don't know how right I am on the kind of punishments you get, but a lot has happened with a good number of people whose only offense was eating or drinking (not alcohol) in public in an Islamic country at a time when Muslims were fasting. A friend of mine told me that a girl was slapped by a cop just because she was having something in public. One of my school teachers was stopped by the cops for having chewing gum (can you believe it?), this was ages ago. And my dad made it sound hilarious even more by saying "The cops will come to you in a very decent and gentle manner, shake hands with you, and ask you to come with them". What they do after that is every person's own story.

Now the part about shaving off your head, face, eyebrows, eyelashes, that is more of what I have heard, and am not sure if it actually happens or not. But in any case, they do keep you in for the whole month no matter how petty the offense is.

welcome back veeray

btw when is ramadan starting? can't wait for shorter class timings

see ya around :wink:

It was a busy morning, approximately 8:30 am, when an elderly

gentleman in his 80's, arrived to have stitches removed from his

thumb.

He stated that he was in a hurry as he had an appointment at 9:00 am.

I took his vital signs and had him take a seat, knowing it would be

over an hour before someone would be able to see him.

I saw him looking at his watch and decided, since I was not busy with

another patient, I would evaluate his wound.

On exam, it was well healed, so I talked to one of the doctors, got

the needed supplies to remove his sutures and redress his wound.

While taking care of his wound, we began to engage in conversation.

I asked him if he had a doctor's appointment this morning, as he was

in such a hurry.

The gentleman told me no, that he needed to go to the nursing home to

eat breakfast with his wife.

I then inquired as to her health.

He told me that she had been there for a while and that she was a

victim of Alzheimer's disease.

As we talked, and I finished dressing his wound, I asked if she would

be worried if he was a bit late.

He replied that she no longer knew who he was; that she had not

recognized him in five years now.

I was surprised, and asked him.

"And you still go every morning, even though she doesn't know who you

are?"

He smiled as he patted my hand and said:

"She doesn't know me, but I still know who she is."

I had to hold back tears as he left, I had goose bumps on my arm, and

thought, "That is the kind of love I want in my life."

True love is neither physical, nor romantic.

True love is an acceptance of all that is, has been, will be, and

will not be.

Just had to share it with you all.

Oh, by the way, peace is seeing a sunset and knowing who to thank.

"The happiest of people don't necessarily have the best of

everything; they just make the best of everything that comes along

their way."

some1 told me baba harnam singh ji was shri ram, and baba nand singh ji was his brother bharat ji in treta yug...is that true?