Black Goddess

I have.

stopsingh, are you trying to be funny? cos it hasnt worked, people also walk and breathe in clubs, shall we stop doing that in the gurdwara's too? the intention is whats important, not the action, because the action is dependant on the intention. you sound like a jealous anti-sant campaigner from taliban.org.

Yo,

Im writing this more as a way of releasing some frustration and anger to be honest, nothing else, I know most people have opposite views to me but bear with me. This is the only forum where I can be comfortable saying this.

Ive noticed that nowadays if you're anti-sant you're cool and acceptable to the panth, and otherwise you're a hindu or misled fool with no brain. I would disagree and call these so called panthic people brainwashed. I dont understand why and how they have sooooo much hatred and bitterness towards sants.

Our religion believes that one day the soul merges with God, and this ultimate goal is what we're working towards, how can it be possible that so far in the history of mankind noone has reached this stage? There are, and has to be if we follow any logic, mahapurush in the world now and in the past.

This whole matha tekking issue is so silly, we clean the sangats shoes for humility and thats a form of matha tekking, we bow down and touch our grandparents, parents feet and thats a cultural thing and to touch some gursikh's feet is suddenly a crime.

I have been called sooo names since Ive openly declared what I follow and dont believe in, people go so far as to attack you personally, its just so pathetic.

What keeps me going is the way these mahapurush react to this type of nindia, the way they brush it off as if its nothing, the way they smile at the nindaks swearing at them, the way they think its necessary for them to be successful.

Maskeen Jee said before he died and one of my dad's friends has the book in which he wrote that the panth is slowly gonna destroy itself, unless its led by mahapurush and nirmalae saadh, I can see the progress beginning already

wah wah..lol..

omg happy birthday don-penj!!!

watch out DB!

bollux.

Ok me hit ya, lol. Erm..yeah the baby oil idea is good, I tried that when I played sarangi some years ago but there was no point cos its played differently so I messed up the sarangi and my teacher was peeved. I used to learn from namdhari gurdev singh in southall before, now Im so bad my little 8 year old bro says he thought I was wailing and crying in my room so he came up, I was playing the dilruba :S

Jee, google toh leya see, bara sastha mil gaya, lol! Amrit Jee, I do sing using a tanpura but Ive been told the gurmat sangeet tradition was to sing with string instruments, is this true? I heard this is how people sung keertan in darbar sahib before the british introduced the harmonium in an attempt to westernise the keertan culture?

Yo, does anyone here play the dilruba? Ive just got one because its a great instrument. I sing and Im fed up of the limitations of the harmonium especially during alaaps in raags so I decided to learn dilruba, if anyone plays it how do you tune it? any tips?

Yeah, vaja is cool but I regret not having learnt a string instrument from when I was young, its those saaj that Maharaj played, you should start with that, sarangi and dilruba are beautiful instruments, their closest to the human voice in terms of meend and so on.

Best Kirtania in the history of Keertan man..

oh god calm down, Im getting a headache yaar.

Im comin down for one day, maybe Il bump into some interesting people..

Yes, well put Hari.

Those rakhi pictures have nothing to do with the Nanaksar Samparda and were not authenticated by any of the Nanaksar Mahapurush. I think that could be just coincidental or something people have picked up on the way.

Which nanaksar pictures? the only picture in nanaksar which is famous is the one of Guru Nanak Dev Jee, I have not heard of the others at all.

Ive stopped placing money in the golak or in front of Guru Sahib because I agree with Hari, but I feel guilty because people may think I'm not bothered and talk, I know its shallow to think like this, but I still feel guilty.

I give up honestly. If you dont wanna go listen to him, don't, but dont try to push your narrow minded views on anyone else.

Singh, it takes a lot more to agitate me, so dont worry. I was referring to the fake GurSikhs out there. I mean, if people have a problem with fake Sants, why not accept there are some people who call themselves GurSikhs and do lectures and katha but follow none of the rules of Gurmat? Is that not possible?

I know what a GurSikh should do, but thanks for the insight.

Ooooh, so as long as you are 'GurSikh' you can 'lecture' in the Gurdwara, what if you are a 'GurSikh' but also a rapist? There are plenty of self-claimed 'GurSikhs' around who follow anything but GurMat.

Also, you dont become an afghan by disagreeing with me, you become a member of taliban by being anti-sant and anti everything normal. That's a huge difference.

Ps. Nice move, I noticed your sudden edit from 'he is not Amritdhari' to 'he is not GurSikh. :wink:

Can I come if I bring a chair leg? tableji can complete it when I get there..? Joking. Yeah sounds wicked, I know tableji's been excited for a while, I thought it was a new pizza recipe or something.

I have heard his discourses, he speaks on common themes with deep philosophical twist, very interesting. He visited Nanaksar in New Zealand (Sant Baba Amar Singh Jee) and the sangat enjoyed his lectures there a great deal.

Unfortunately, we have people from taliban.org already shouting RSS before hearing what he has to say.

Dear BlackGoddess, Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Thank You, I do look at myself and my family and think how we can improve and become one with Vaheguru. But if any of my family or myself ignored what the guru was saying and starting making up stories at a Sikh Gurdwara then please do me the honour and shoot me.

You still havent proven that Baba Ranjit Singh made up stories, so your argument is futile. He speaks about the Guru's and praises them, if you can't hear that, then do Ardas for yourself. I wouldn't shoot you even if you did make up stories, Vaheguru will judge the people who spread Nindhia.

In a place of worship where the Guru Granth Sahib resdies, there should be no talk except that of the Guru and glories of Vaheguru,

What do you think he talks about? Daler Mehndi and Aishwaryia Rai?

Their are countless quotes within the Guru Granth Sahib to last man for generations, but as a society we feel that we dont need to listen to what the guru is saying but what some man dressed up as a bhangra dancer, getting the Sangat the wave their arms in the air!!??

FYI no one raises their hands up in their air, maybe you are confusing the sangat for a yoga class at your local gym. There are Kathakaar who discuss and read the Bani and make speeches like Sant Singh Maskeen and Proff Darshan Singh Jee, you gonna ban them too? They talk about what Guru Jee says in our language, so does Baba Ranjit Singh, I havent heard him relate fairytales like sleeping beauty yet have you?

I repeat if my family went against the Guru then please cuss me in public so we can look at ourselves and with guru's Kirpa turn to what the Guru is saying not someone who feels right to preech Kachi Bani,

Firstly, you need to back up what you are implying. Are you saying Baba Ranjit Singh has gone against Guru Jee? If so, and it seems so from your post, then this is a serious allegation and I wonder who gave you the responsibility of deeming who is a Patit. Secondly, I wouldn't need to cuss your family if they went against Guru Jee, the fact that they have turned away is a slap in the face itself.

Like i quoted before From Guru Amards Ji, that is not me, u or him that is saying that, that is our Guru, Who do you trust?!?!

Your quote was irrelevant to the subject matter, but thanks for posting it as it is nice to read Bani whenever possible.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

GurFateh

Im worried about Sikhs being targeted after being mistaken for Muslims now. Its just so sad. Jugat Jalandha Rakh Lai, Apni Kirpa Dhaar..