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Oh Rupz yeah, u jus' think you're so superia jus' coz you know how to right ur name corektly, so wha'? dozn't giv u da right to criti-size. U c wha' I mean?

I get ur point doh but der's no need 2 get all emtional about dis, its about keeping da piece man

BTW I rate you 4 watching dat video 4 soo long and seeing what was hidern, o man, i didnt kno y i didnt notice it b4 man!!

This kinda reminds me of what goes on in other sikh forum sites.

1.The word incarnation derives from the latin incarnatio derived from the prefix in: in and caro, carnis: flesh. So incarnation literally means "enfleshment". In Christianity it refers to Jesus as incarnation of God the Son NOT God the Father. To say that God can become incarnate means that God becomes flesh.

2. He word avatara derives from the Sanskrit prefix ava:: designating a descending movement and the root TR, tarati: which means to cross. The avatara is literally the one who crosses from above down, the one who descends.

Differences:

The concept of incarnation emprisons the Divine in the flesh, thus limiting the Divine and compromising its Pure Essence. The concept of avatara is that of theophany, Divine manifestation: the saguna aspect of the Divine manifests itself in a pure sinless and perfect being.

To clarify the difference let us read a famous passage from Ibn Arabi's Fussus al Hikam on Jesus:

source:

Carney, ‘Abd al-Hakeem.2005. . Imamate and Love: The Discourse of the Divine in Islamic Mysticism in Journal of the American Academy of Religion 73, 705-730.

Regarding the position of the Guru in Sikhi we find a similar situation.

We have passages such as these:

The Guru is Govind, and Govind is the Guru, O Nanak; there is no difference between the two, o brother.||4||1||8||AGGS 442

There is no difference between the Supreme Lord and the Guru. ||4||11||AGGS 1142

So Mathura speaks: there is no difference between God and Guru; Guru Arjun is Hari himself manifested.||7||19||AGGS 1409

None of these passages talk of God incarnating, rather we see that they refer to the concept of theophany or avatara.

The bhattan de svayye clearly state that the Guru manifested himself as previous avataras as well. Yet at the same time we have a very clear warning from the Gurus themselves:

Let that mouth burn that says that the Lord (Thakur) takes birth. He is not born, nor does he die. He does not come and go (through the cycle of rebirths). AGGS 1136

This statement clearly condemns the concept of incarnation.

Guru Gobind Singh is even clearer:

Those who call us the Supreme Lord (Paramesar) shall all fall in the realm of hell. Know me as his servant and do not think of any difference between me and Him. BN VI: 32

Hence to say that Guru Nanak is God's incarnation is a grave heresy but to say that he is a theophanic manifestation or avatara is correct. The problem is that many people translate avatara as "incarnation" which is wrong and causes not only confusion but also false beliefs.

Thats lovely.

Wow man. That is nice.

The whole universe was created with the sound of Onkar, makes you wonder how it would sound.

For english translations I can only give you a website, since im from UK. If anyone living in the states here would be so kind to help our brother here about local US book stores anything to do with Guru Granth Sahib or any other book related to Sikhism would be nice. Thanks in advance.

But I turn you to SikhiToTheMax, just use the search facility to what you want to find out about Sikhi (Sikhi being the Punjabi word for Sikhism, Sikh means to learn).

SikhiToTheMax

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/

Well even Guru Ji called the enemy Nihangs. Im not saying Muslims were Guru Ji's enemy.

Wow I never knew that native Americans wore Turbans!

In old Indian times, the turban was a sign of kingship, where only kings used to wear turban's. In Sikhism the idea of a Turban is to protect our hair, most sikhs believe its an identity for them to wear a turban. Most Sikhs from Kenya-Africa wear Kenyan style turban's.

Ive even seen a Sikh wear a Burberry turban, yes that fashion lable. Check out the link:

http://www.chavscum.co.uk/4images/details....ge_id=4663&

The Kirpan itself has to be double edge though. Check this weblink out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan

Well we do have a straight sword as well, its called the Khunda, there are also more, check out the link:

http://www.sikhworld.co.uk/page17.html

After being bapisted your meant to refrain from cutting hair (head to toe) and wear all 5 symbols which are, Kesh, Kanga, Kara, Kacha, Kirpan which are to be worn by a Amrithderhi Sikh (bapisted Sikh).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Ks

If you would like to know more about sikhism, check out the following links, theses are the sites which I still visit.

All About Sikhs

http://www.allaboutsikhs.com/

theSikhNetwork

http://www.sikhnet.com/

Ive tried my best to answer your questions, Im sure if you stay on with Sikhawarness.com you can get answers from others. Guru Ji says its important to keep a Good Congregation, Sat Sangat (True Congregation). We're always sharing our experiences here. Your more then welcome to stay. But if you want to learn Sikhism undistorted, go to the source, Guru Granth Sahib.

Sikhs are not restricted in adopting different cultures, but a Sikh shouldnt forget their code of conduct. Most Sikhs I know wear urban clothes. Below is a Singh wearing a Scotish Tartan. And in scotland there is a tartan called the "Singh Tartan".

If you would like to read more check this weblink out:

http://www.sikhspectrum.com/122002/tartan_scot.htm

Woww. That was good man, makes me wanna recite Jap Ji Sahib and Jap Sahib. Ive met both of these guys before, friendly guys.

Rupz Ji,

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ਨਿਰਭਉ ਹੋਇਓ ਭਇਆ ਨਿਹੰਗਾ ॥

nirbha-o ho-i-o bha-i-aa nihangaa.

Guru Arjan Dev

According to Guru Ji, Nihang means reckless/without thought of consequence.

In normal language use, words are utilised in the context of the day, today Nihang refers to Sikhs who have chosen to live by Budda/Tarni Daal maryada.

Well the enemy is also described as being Nihang, There are many meanings for the word Nihang as well.

Well for the first time ive got proof for you.

"Nirbhao Hoyeyo, Bhaya Nihanga. "

"Being fearless, he becomes unrestrained".

http://www.amritworld.com/nihangs/in_gurugranth.html

"Paihlaan Dalaan Milandiyaan Bherh Pya Nihangaan."

"First, when armies approached each other, there was fighting of 'Nihangs'"

"Januk Lahar Dariyaav Te Niksyo Bado Nihang."

"As if a crocodile had emerged from the sea".

http://www.amritworld.com/nihangs/in_dasamgranth.html

I wouldnt post anything on this site without thinking of its trueness. The things in which I post are not made up.

Ever seen that film Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith? Darth Sidious says, "Good is a point of View". I know this might be only a film, but it makes sence as well. A Nihang can be the bold enemy or the bold friend much like anyone.

Nihangs as a group are no more Sikhs than AKJ, Nanaksari, Taksaa or any other demonination.

You couldnt be more right. But the word Nihang means without attachment or without fear. Any Sikh can be nihang. The word Nihang is in Aad Guru Granth Sahib.

Im starting to think that the Nihang Sikhs have a better idea of what Guru is, they think that shabad is Guru (Aad Guru Granth sahib, Dasam Guru Granth sahib and Sarbloh Guru Granth sahib), this is why keeping respect for gutkay are even important. They also think that the Shaster is Guru (Kaal) as well, because of the power of the Shaster.

Ok now I never told anyone to believe in this. Ive never told anyone to dance with kirtan, I dont know if your trying to make me look bad now but ive never said anything about kirtan. I think this topic has been taken out of context, totally. I dont share the same views as you. But in the old days Guru Ji went to drunk people to tell them about the truth, and to take out of their personal hell, and Guru Ji never said dont come near to him. But of course we have to respect Shabad Guru. Guru Ji reached out to people, Guru Ji given a hem so that they could follow.

I fate this propaganda, and its got nothing to do with sikhism. Those people in that video fell victim to this propaganda. Theses types of videos are only spreading more and more hate. They have useds this video out of context. And us Sikhs ourselves are killing ourselves. And I would also read some of the comments which people have said.

I used to love listening to this whole Khalistani thing before, I used to get soo fired up and angry just looking at hindus and muslims and who ever is non-sikh because i thought i was different. But I was getting more and more angry, saying why is it like this?!

Guru Ji was right, there is no hindu no musalman. People call themselves Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, Christain or what ever, but they are all followers of God. I believe Guru ji used the words Hindu and Muslim as one thing, but Guru Ji said that all have lost the true path, which was Naam Jaapan.

Firstly of all Sikhs dont believe in Idol worship, secondly we believe in One God.

If people wish to follow a human guru then fine, why are you burning up? Sikhs are being converted to many other Religions its all God's Play.

Please forgive me if im wrong.

The Kara is a shastar and a handcuff to Guru's maryada, it represents Akaal, who is without beginning and without end, the same as the chakker in the Khanda.

Well ive been doing Shaster Vidiya and yes the kara is a Shaster much like the Kirpan and the Chakkar and are used on the battlefield.

RUPZ Ji,

Why would Guru Ji turn down the Janu protection from the respected Brahman priest of his village and family, to later accept a thread of protection from his sister?

Our Guru's were not trapped by culture or hypocrisy, following hukum and truth is seen upon as narrow minded by some and holy by others.

One painting done in the 1920s, as a figment of someones imagination does not constitute history.

Before you go on to make any more claims, could yo uplease provide an historical reference for A - Guru Gobind Singhs Bhangra advice, and B Guru Nanak Dev Ji's willingness to pick and choose which holy threads were worth wearing.

Read below.

salok mehlaa 1.

Shalok, First Mehl:

ਦਇਆ ਕਪਾਹ ਸੰਤੋਖੁ ਸੂਤੁ ਜਤੁ ਗੰਢੀ ਸਤੁ ਵਟੁ ॥

da-i-aa kapaah santokh soot jat gandhee sat vat.

Make compassion the cotton, contentment the thread, modesty the knot and truth the twist.

ਏਹੁ ਜਨੇਊ ਜੀਅ ਕਾ ਹਈ ਤ ਪਾਡੇ ਘਤੁ ॥

ayhu janay-oo jee-a kaa ha-ee ta paaday ghat.

This is the sacred thread of the soul; if you have it, then go ahead and put it on me.

ਨਾ ਏਹੁ ਤੁਟੈ ਨ ਮਲੁ ਲਗੈ ਨਾ ਏਹੁ ਜਲੈ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥

naa ayhu tutai na mal lagai naa ayhu jalai na jaa-ay.

It does not break, it cannot be soiled by filth, it cannot be burnt, or lost.

ਧੰਨੁ ਸੁ ਮਾਣਸ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਜੋ ਗਲਿ ਚਲੇ ਪਾਇ ॥

Dhan so maanas naankaa jo gal chalay paa-ay.

Blessed are those mortal beings, O Nanak, who wear such a thread around their necks.

ਚਉਕੜਿ ਮੁਲਿ ਅਣਾਇਆ ਬਹਿ ਚਉਕੈ ਪਾਇਆ ॥

cha-ukarh mul anaa-i-aa bahi cha-ukai paa-i-aa.

You buy the thread for a few shells, and seated in your enclosure, you put it on.

ਸਿਖਾ ਕੰਨਿ ਚੜਾਈਆ ਗੁਰੁ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣੁ ਥਿਆ ॥

sikhaa kann charhaa-ee-aa gur baraahman thi-aa.

Whispering instructions into others' ears, the Brahmin becomes a guru.

ਓਹੁ ਮੁਆ ਓਹੁ ਝੜਿ ਪਇਆ ਵੇਤਗਾ ਗਇਆ ॥੧॥

oh mu-aa oh jharh pa-i-aa vaytgaa ga-i-aa. ||1||

But he dies, and the sacred thread falls away, and the soul departs without it. ||1||

The rakhie is not a spritual string. The string given to the Guru from the Brahman was made so that he was made acceptable by God in his view. This is why Guru Ji said that the string will not go with you when you die, only the compassion in the heart for God will go with you.

Why do you wear a Kara? What use is it if you dont get spritiual gain? You know the purpose of it?

I think this is why Guru Ji said that God is everywhere and not just in the direction of the Kaaba.

afkas,

The Guru Granth Sahib is not a lie, nor is are Bhai Nand Ji's rehitnamas.

Rupz,

That Sakhi is nearly as good a false justification for anti-gurmat activity as one I heard from a friend a few years who's Mama told him the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji said it was ok to drink sensibly on special occassions.

Dancing is not a big mystery.

Just look at Gursikh role models over the years, not one danced, but they all sang, Kirtan.

Our Guru's were not trapped by culture, bhangra is culture as are non-gurmat songs, none will stand the test of time, all will evolve as all cultural things have always done and will always will do.

Only Bani is Akaal.

The Gurus' wasnt trapped by culture? Why you think that Guru Ji tied a rakhie for his sister? I believe Guru Ji was the most cultured.

Guru Ji wasnt trapped by a limited mind.

hey dass jee.

are u sure the Quran says Allah is in all? i have found this verse myself, but it only means that he controls these areas..not that he is these ares..

002.115

To Allah belong the east and the West: Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is all-Pervading, all-Knowing

Well there you go, God is in all, "Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is all-Pervading, all-Knowing".

Where ever you turn the presence of God is there. For God is all-present, all-knowing.

The word Pervading means to be present throughout.

I heard a story during the time of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, where the Singhs or Guru Ji finished one batttle? And the Singhs felt like celebrating, they felted like dancing, they asked Guru Ji if they could dance, Guru Ji said dance then. But the Singhs were a bit shy. So then Guru Ji said put a curtain around him?

If anyone can give us this sakhi, would be nice, because this story is from memory and might be wrong? Cheers.

They hypocracy is pointed out where the animal Pig which is sacred to muslim and is never used for eating, while a chicken is. Does God not reside in the Chicken also?

Not sacred, but they think of pigs as being filthy. But yeah you are right underwise.

That was the best I could come up with. Im sure there's someone here that understand this more?

I think the Chicken can also be seen as a Kafir and most muslims believe that killing the Kafir is doing Justice to God? But God is in all, and the soul goes through the cycle of life and death, until it reaches an unattached state of being one, uneffected by Maya.