Mystical

Bahadur I support you, I know you found peace with yourself. If your Muslim or Sikh doesn't make no difference to me.

rick astley sung in the late 80s " im never gonna give you up..."

Thats the one!

hahaha, never knew Elvis had a bit of Punjabi in him!

I used to like that tune by Rick Astley!

Here is a documentary about Karate. It even talks about how karate had links to Kung Fu. The documentry is 44 minutes long. Check it out.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...h&plindex=2

Here is a documentary about Muay Thai, the sound recording has got humming noises but its still quite audible. The documentary talks about the history of Muay Thai, there is even a minor reference of Hanuman in this documentary. Have a look.

Human Weapon - Muay Thai (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78EJXufrjEU

Human Weapon - Muay Thai (part 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHBn6fz1r8o

Human Weapon - Muay Thai (part 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTT9R_Jg_zE

Human Weapon - Muay Thai (part 4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssFRtSpjLho

Human Weapon - Muay Thai (part 5)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWdxFTPo2pY

Holy ! I cant believe that this guy really thinks that by doing jhatka hes realising the animal from its joon..... such andhakaar in our qaum, Then you better go and do jhatka to all the goats !

As for the tiger. ... That is all GOD'S WILL ..its HUKAM .. a Tiger doesnt eat an animal alive ! it kills its first ... Its all God's creation.

So whom am I really to say anything. Lets just read a few words from the SGGS.

[align=center:347a6c701d]In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs;

they eat dead animals for food. They bark and speak, telling only lies;

Dharma and Vichaar have left them. Those who have no honor while alive,

will have an evil reputation after they die (sggs 1242).

You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action.

Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?

You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? (sggs 1103)[/align:347a6c701d]

For starters Guru Ji is talking about the ruler of the time, the corruption, people were getting killed just because they didnt accept Islam, but to them it was called righteous, "You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?".

If you think its wrong to eat meat why don't you tell the tiger to stop eating meat? And why you think it isn't Gods Will when a human eats meat but when a Tiger eats meat its his Will? Did you know even Vegetarians eat flesh? Ever heard of the Punjabi word "Chiller" meaning skin or Flesh? Every living creature practices some sort of Dharma and duties, this is how creatures transmigrate. And im noticing that "Modern Sikhs" on the Sikhsangat forum don't believe in reincarnate or even Hell or Heaven.

By drinking, one's intelligence departs, and madness enters his mind;

he cannot distinguish between his own and others’ —

he is struck down by his Lord. By drinking, he forgets his Lord,

and he is punished in the Court of the Lord (sggs 554).

The truest of the true burn away the bonds of the world,

and eat a simple diet of grain and water (sggs 467). [align=center]

You havent putted up the whole shabad, what was writtern before this shabad?

This Shabad is by Guru Amar Daas Ji in Raag Bihaagraa on Pannaa 554

salok ma 3 ||

Salok, Third Mehla:

maanas bhariaa aaniaa maanas bhariaa aae ||

One person brings a full bottle, and another fills his cup.

jith peethai math dhoor hoe baral pavai vich aae ||

Drinking the wine, his intelligence departs, and madness enters his mind;

aapanaa paraaeiaa n pashhaanee khasamahu dhhakae khaae ||

he cannot distinguish between his own and others, and he is struck down by his Lord and Master.

jith peethai khasam visarai dharageh milai sajaae ||

Drinking it, he forgets his Lord and Master, and he is punished in the Court of the Lord.

jhoot(h)aa madh mool n peechee jae kaa paar vasaae ||

Do not drink the false wine at all, if it is in your power.

naanak nadharee sach madh paaeeai sathigur milai jis aae ||

O Nanak, the True Guru comes and meets the mortal; by His Grace, one obtains the True Wine.

sadhaa saahib kai ra(n)g rehai mehalee paavai thhaao ||1||

He shall dwell forever in the Love of the Lord Master, and obtain a seat in the Mansion of His Presence. ||1||

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You have to ask yourself what is the false wine. Its not actually speaking of wine as such but talking about the false wine as a metaphor but this is a reflection what is this false wine that Guru Ji is talking about? Is this wine falsehood? You can even say drinking the false wine is drinking maya, the false intoxication of maya makes you forget the lord and master. But in other shabads it says the true wine is naam itself. If there is a wine which reminds of God, drink that wine.

In Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism, Sikhism all these religions specify the basic and primary need for a Guru to reach God, except other rleigions like Islam and Christainity which focus on being in Heaven.

Heaven and Hell exists even for Sikhs too. Heaven is where Satguru is, to be with him is heavenly. Hell is somewhere where your in a place of darkness.

Tell them Christians used to wear turbans.

I found this video on Google Video, thought I'd share it with you lot. This cartoon is in Hindi with English subtitles and is about inter-religious relations hence the title, "Ram Rahim". The cartoon is 16 mins long.

Enjoy!

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...459375405197973

this place is turning into sikh sangat

I know how you feel

Mystical Ji,

First of all Sikhi is not bound by time.

Aad Sach Jugad Sach, Hai Bhi Sach , Nanak Hosee Bhi Sach !

I believe this totally.

Secondly, There is no need to understand anything. If you think you have understood something or gained some knowledge, it will be with you only and only as long as your conscious, I mean as long as you are present in the conscious-state of mind. When you sleep or when you die your subconscius mind takes over (which is called surti) and at that time only your naam simran kamai will go with you and not your understanding.

There is every reason to understand.

This Shabad is by Guru Amar Daas Ji in Siree Raag on Pannaa 36

sreeraag mehalaa 3 ||

Siree Raag, Third Mehla:

bin gur rog n thuttee houmai peerr n jaae ||

Without the Guru, the disease is not cured, and the pain of egotism is not removed.

gur parasaadhee man vasai naamae rehai samaae ||

By Guru's Grace, He dwells in the mind, and one remains immersed in His Name.

gur sabadhee har paaeeai bin sabadhai bharam bhulaae ||1||

Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, the Lord is found; without the Shabad, people wander, deceived by doubt. ||1||

man rae nij ghar vaasaa hoe ||

O mind, dwell in the balanced state of your own inner being.

raam naam saalaahi thoo fir aavan jaan n hoe ||1|| rehaao ||

Praise the Lord's Name, and you shall no longer come and go in reincarnation. ||1||Pause||

har eiko dhaathaa varathadhaa dhoojaa avar n koe ||

The One Lord alone is the Giver, pervading everywhere. There is no other at all.

sabadh saalaahee man vasai sehajae hee sukh hoe ||

Praise the Word of the Shabad, and He shall come to dwell in your mind; you shall be blessed with intuitive peace and poise.

sabh nadharee a(n)dhar vaekhadhaa jai bhaavai thai dhaee ||2||

Everything is within the Lord's Glance of Grace. As He wishes, He gives. ||2||

houmai sabhaa ganath hai ganathai no sukh naahi ||

In egotism, all must account for their actions. In this accounting, there is no peace.

bikh kee kaar kamaavanee bikh hee maahi samaahi ||

Acting in evil and corruption, people are immersed in corruption.

bin naavai t(h)our n paaeinee jamapur dhookh sehaahi ||3||

Without the Name, they find no place of rest. In the City of Death, they suffer in agony. ||3||

jeeo pi(n)dd sabh this dhaa thisai dhaa aadhhaar ||

Body and soul all belong to Him; He is the Support of all.

gur parasaadhee bujheeai thaa paaeae mokh dhuaar ||

By Guru's Grace, understanding comes, and then the Door of Liberation is found.

naanak naam salaahi thoo(n) a(n)th n paaraavaar ||4||24||57||

O Nanak, sing the Praises of the Naam, the Name of the Lord; He has no end or limitation. ||4||24||57||

Whenever someone of another faith lays claim to Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee, it makes me mad, makes me laugh, and also makes me proud of my Guru. People work so hard running after atomic sized misleading evidences just to discredit Sikhi.

I'm not trying to discredit Sikhi, since i'm a Sikh myself. I'm just trying to understand Charan di pahul, i'm sick of Black and White Sikhi. Modern Sikhi ideas are to not to speak of it and don't question it and follow blindly what your teacher says without understanding it. You wont find truth without understanding first, then you can fully understand the true meaning.

How many of you passed your exams without asking questions?

Charan di pahul still exists in the akharas of the udasis, sanyasis and brahmchariyas

Is there a specific code to be followed? Because I know its different to Khande Da Pahul?

Cranford Community Centre.

Saturday 4-8pm

I like the old spirit of the forum.

I feel freedom of thinking has gone from the forum.

Except reggae. :-P

Yes yess old skool Bally Sagoo

Nothing beats the Disco Bhangra!

I'm liking the Singh's break dancing. I swear I remember that wall written with "Holy Smokes".

Bring back Javanmard!!

Freed man, some nice pictures!

Guru Nanak preached that Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were the same or Waheguru. Waheguru is the creator, preserver and destroyer. Are you saying that Waheguru is not creator (Brahma), preserver (Vishnu) and destroyer (Shiva)?

Well you have also forgotten what Vishnu means. Preserver.

He was not given Amrit by vishnu or by imam Ali. pointless revisionism.

I knew what Javanmard was trying to say. God has many forms but has no form. Some call God Ram some call God Kodha. The fact that Guru Nanak taken Amrit from Waheguru, made Guru Nanak Waheguru himself, Guru Nanaks light is indifferent, Guru Nanak is the divine Guru himself.

First he says that punjabi was originated in Iran.. let me clear your mind it was our Guru saibaans that first brought up the letters of gurmukhi and introduced this language to us.

So what your saying now is that Guru Ji spoke a different language to the people and everyone in Punjab had to learn this new language in order to understand Sikhi? Yes Guru Ji introduced new Punjabi letters. But Adh Guru Granth Sahib is composed from 16 different languages, Sanskrit, Punjabi, Hindi, Fasri, Arabic being the most used.

Guru Ji spoke the language of the people.

I agree with Singho.