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Interesting conversation. Thank you. I liked Maskeen Ji's advice.

So, will Panjabi wrestling kick off like WWE?

does anybody know any wrestlers, like famous ones?

I have met Dara Singh plenty of times when he comes over to the UK

Just watching an interview of Satinder Ji on Sikh TV.

What a totally amazing personality - an inspiration for anyone in any field.

Finally, a mainstream Punjabi singer who has real talent and old fashioned Punjabi wisdom/respect.

God bless him with much success.

Totally agree with you. He isn't a "gurdas maan" beater yet, but his two albums which I have heard are excellent, I like track number 1 from Sartaaj called Sai, lovely song, infact all of them are very good.

Track number 2 is beautiful, and the third one, where he is narrating while singing about the little girl...oh and the last track.

I see him as a combo of gurdas maan and hans raj hans, great voice like HRH and got talent in writing his own work (although Gurdas Maan in a interview did say his wife writes all his songs)... But my fav is still Hans Raj Hans, his voice is just amazing.

For Silence - Stop being a bigot. His dress is not Sikh, its Sufi Panjabi, which is totally different. Ever heard of greats such as Bulleh Shah, Waris Shah, etc.

BUT people in panjab still are addicted to that cave man type music, where they are screeming instead of singing, i.e. miss pooja, chamkila, etc....These songs make me cringe, disgusting lyrics and terrible way of singing.

Did anybody record his interview?

if anybody wants his album pm me.

As said, read the entire Gita

I am asking you for your view, as per your own research and experience.

isn't this the whole idea of a forum, where people come to discuss, debate, learn, etc so far you haven't really done that, apart from re-directing people to the Gita.

oh well, its upto you. Thank you for your replies..

The problem with the above subjects is people brush them of as conspiracy theories.

Look at the facts what is killing you eg

The Food you Eat

The Water you Drink

The Air you Breathe

Your Spiritually being attacked :-

fluoride in your toothpaste in your water aswell as causing damage to your internal organs it is also hardening pituitary gland.

People brush alot of things past them and not just "conspiracy theories".

I am the type of person who doesn't blindly follow the crowd.

You see I can say the same thing about Fluoride affecting the Pituitary Gland, that’s not actually proven.

What is proven and has been documented is how the SS used Fluoride to make the prisoners easy to control as the chemical made them slow thinking/responding in WW1 and 2 when they gassed the Jews.

Now that’s Proof and not just a theory.

It has also been proven in labs that fluoride causes cancer in rats, well you might think nothing of it, but before drugs are put onto to the market, they go through a series of tests, animal testing and even human testing. In animals, rats are considered to one of those animals which closely resemble out anatomy.

Like Fluoride, Chem-trails are a reality and not a Conspiracy theory.

On that note, the names that I dropped, if you research their research you will see that’s its not a Conspiracy at all.

Here is a conspiracy theory, a man launched an attack on the worlds most powerful military nation, caught them off guard, all from a cave and he is still alive and still evading them.

Maxwell Igan has written a book, which again is all researchable

no doubt a secret govt exists in the usa with a nefarious agenda (see president kennedy's and truman's speeches), but i feel that conspiracy theories cause more harm then good to the message that you're trying to spread. if you base what you say on objective evidence, then people are more likely to believe and awaken. if you go all david icke on people, that turns people off and they are more likely to dismiss truth along with the falsehoods.

this is why i'm a fan of gerald celente, a trends forecaster who avoids conspiracy theories and partisanship. he calls this 'political athiesm'

Thats the problem David icke has created for himself, he went all out, guns blazing in his earlier talks, but if you watch his material now, he has calmed down...

I stick with William Milton Cooper, he never said anything without proof to back it up. Everything he has ever said he had said with proof. He always said, don't believe me, don't ever believe me, go and research for yourself.

Thats the problem with most people, they are not bothered with the facts.

Have you experienced this? How do you know this for sure? Gurbani? Katha? etc..

Until FACEBOOK themselves do something, which they NEVER do, you can sign all the petitions you want.

It is so easy to setup up stupid sites on facebook, myspace, etc.

Just look at Youtube and the rising number of anti-sikh channels.

I have signed the petition, but I believe that legal action needs to be taken agains Facebook, that site is out of control.

but in sikhi we hear of uniting with god but in the gita the uniting will have a sense of separation still.

Correct me if I am wrong Amardeep, from what Sarbatdapala said, the Gita says that there is the Supreme God Soul, which is God and then there is us, the "normal" soul, but due to this layer of Maya, we never merge?

Lets say for arguments sake that there is an individual, who has lead a perfect life, has broken the cycle of birth and death, dies, their soul will not merge with the God Soul, but just be with it.

So you have the creator and its creation, as two separate entities, they never merge, like we have been hearding in Sikh Kathas?

I think Islam also says that the creation never merges with the creator, they are two separate entities.

I have read that the soul is located in the middle of your brain, if you take a line from the front of your forehead and the top of your head, where they meet, thats where it is..

Maybe (Amardeep) or anybody else here can give us Gurbani's perspective on this subject?

Thank you.

Reincarnation was already a well established fact at the time of the Gurus so Guru Granth Sahib does'nt spend time describing how it works in details. That knowledge can be attained in descriptive form in the Gita where Krishna explains the concept to Arjuna

Sarpatdabala: see chapter two on the soul..

This group will say this and that group will say that, in the end, they never agree. So stay away from these groups who claim to have the key, because they don't.

Heaven and Hell, like Guruka Singh said in his video, is a state of mind. You either live in LOVE or FEAR.

Check out this video.

I have heard from a few people that say Khand is an actual realm, like another universe. Some say it is the HERE and NOW and the choices we make give affect to the creation of that realm.

Jap Ji Sahib Ji talks of 5 Khands, the final one being Sach Khand or the realm of Truth, this is where the SOURCE, LORD GOD, CREATOR, ALLAH, WAHEGURU, ISHVARA is.

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Five_Khands

Now are there 5 different physical realms. I don't know, because I have not first hand experienced them myself. If anybody here has, please SHARE.

In the end brother, the only way to find out for sure is to do it yourself, live in LOVE, do naam simran, live a honest living and help the needy.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is unique, because Guru Ji gives us first hand experiences of Bhagats, Fakirs, etc who have finished the game so to speak, merged with God, etc, whatever you want to call it. They done it through LOVE and Devotion.

you are given all the tools, its upto you to pick them up to use them.

Reading Reading and Reading will only get you so far.........

About the 7th heaven thing, that is a reference to the 7 layers of atmosphere around the Earth. Actually there are 5 main layers, two additional are called Ozone Layer and magnetosphere. (I think, need to check my brain again for that). BUT, there are more........

There are pre-islamic/christian/judaic/vedic records (older than 5000 years) which talk about the 7 layers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth

AGAIN, what has this got to do with YOU and your GOAL.

Dr.Zakir Naik will only promote Islam and only Islam. Asking him or seeking an answer from his talks will only confirm what Islam is saying.

That also goes for the website which you quoted, which is pushing forward material to promote Hinduism.

Just browse down on that website and you will see from the links their obesssion, where they have trolled through Gurbani just to justify themselves.

i.e. http://www.aykaa-mayee.org/

www.adishakti.org/

www.al-qiyamah.org/

www.adi-shakti.org/ — Divine Feminine (Hinduism)

www.holyspirit-shekinah.org/ — Divine Feminine (Christianity)

www.ruach-elohim.org/ — Divine Feminine (Judaism)

www.ruh-allah.org/ — Divine Feminine (Islam)

www.tao-mother.org/ — Divine Feminine (Taoism)

www.prajnaaparamita.org/ — Divine Feminine (Buddhism)

www.aykaa-mayee.org/ — Divine Feminine (Sikhism)

www.great-spirit-mother.org/ — Divine Feminine (Native Traditions)

So, with that in mind, I don't see them as credible sources of information, read them, but don't hold them as a rule of thumb.

I don't fully agree with Jattboot. Saying Gurbani assumes, I think could be wrong?

(the question was meant for you (amardeep), lol)

I do agree that reincarnation is not a topic central to Sikhi, its more about establishing that link with God, but knowledge of it does make us aware of the cyclical nature of the world and how to break this cycle.

Going back to the OP question, which I have split up as follows

I would appreciate it if members can correct me if I am wrong.

what is Reincarnation in Sikhi

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Reincarnation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation

Reincarnation means being born again simply, as we can read from links above.

what do we retain from our previous lifes

From what I have read and understand, you retain your good and bad karma, which is made up of actions, deeds, thoughts, etc, etc. The Good you do and the Bad you do, directly and indirectly.

Like plus and minus points, you carry these over each time you are re-born. Abit like a credit card debt, it keeps on rolling over and building up, you can do good by paying it off, but how?

Some even say that by doing meditation, you can even retain knowledge of your past lives.

what knowledge is available to us and is there any scientific proof for it

This is where research comes into play, which you have to do yourself, you won't find the answer to this on a internet forum.

There are many documentaries done on reincarnation, where a child suddenly remembers their past life and how they were killed, etc. Experts claim that using deep hypnosis methods you can sometimes access details of your past lives.

I remember listening to a katha my Giani Sant Sing Maskeen Ji, where he was telling the sangat about a Muslim guy who had recovered memories of his past 9 births, he knew where he lived, his Mothers names, etc, etc. This was done through meditation or bhagti.

There are scientific reports which report on such phenomenons, going back 150 years, and some accounts, which are "stories", well there are plenty of them.

They even have reports which study the mind while it goes through different stages till when it reaches Samadhi....

is there anything we can do to prove it to ourselves?

Yes, you have to do Naam Simran. But just Naam Simran isn't enough, you need to prepare yourself, your mind, yourself for that journey, and don't do it just to prove it to yourself, do it to gain FREEDOM from this life. i.e. Mukhti.

I think the above is bhagat naamdev whereas the namamdeo is from an earlier yug..

Could you please provide some links for the two bhagats?

thanks

MAybe in Gurbani there is an assumption that the individual studying it knows of these 'basic' facts. Gurbani is about the higher level stuff than the mundane.

There was a thread here a while ago about the best translation of the Bhagvad Gita to read.

Having said that I must do it myself.

I have an answer, but I will wait for Amardeep veer ji to reply first

Without re-directing me to another website or book.

Can somebody "here" explain in laymans terms what "the rising of Kundalini" is?

Thanks.

Go to your local library and borrow the Bhagavad Gita. Krishna explains the concept in an easy way

So, you are saying that Gurbani can't explain the concept or explains it in a difficult way?

Sat Sri Akaal,

I been wondering about this for sometime now.

How does one know that they are on the right path to having a connection being established with Waheguru (or whatever names the lord has)

As per Gurbani, are there any hints of Signs which we might see or hear or feel? Surely Sat Guru Sahib has given us path and the signs which we will notice when we are on the right path.

This is a serious question, so please, in all humblessness, lets keep this interesting.

Its not the content i have an issue with , but why didnt Soho Road Wale , work together with the Sikh Channel ( as both are charity channels , hopefully with the same agenda, plus they are trying to setup a Sikh Comittee gathering young/old and others from all over the UK who can represent Sikhs at a national and global level to help in issues like turban , kirpan etc.... have one voice for the Sikhs ).... would the new channel ( hopefully not) put a divide between the community .

Here is another question, why didn't The Sikh Channel or more over Davinder Singh Bal work together with the guy who originally came up with the idea. I have been watching Sikh Channel from day 1 and my first thoughts were "what the hell is this", anybody who had watched it in the beginning knows what I am talking about.

The Sikh Channel, even though it is a Charity, (although I have a feeling he didn't want it to be one, but it was, sort of forced into becoming one, as they were taking donations via direct debit's), everything is, by their own admission paid for by the Sangat who is supporting that channel, their programmes, etc, etc. Which is Excellent.

Yet, after every single programme, the executive produce is not "The Sikh Channal Sangat", its Mr Bal.

Then they had that stupid meeting, ever so stupid, made them look like big stupid cry babies, that "oh look there is another sikh channel starting, which has Indian Government/Congress support, they will try and polute your childrens minds, so come give us more money".

They even had people go on Sikh Forums and spread lies. I mean, come on, how pathetic can you be?

I don't believe the Sikh Channel will ever work with Sangat Trust, or anybody else, because its all about "WHO IS IN POWER", who is leaving a lasting legacy.

Its like Gurdwarey, There is only one Guru, yet so many Gurdwarey are popping up, committe member has a fight, they go and start their own Gurdwara, why?

Money, POWER, NAME.

These are the same people who are behind the channels, they don't care about the Gurdwarey, you really believe they will do anything different with a TV Channel?

I would love a situation where they would put their egos aside and work together, will this happen?

Look at our Gurdwaras in India, that Jatherdar doesn't like that Jatherdar, what a bloody joke.

Do they "care" about the so called Panth.

This pattern is seen in Gurdwaras, Sikh Beliefs, AKJ, Snatan Sikhs, Taksalis, etc, etc.

Answer is NO, because they are not Sikhs, simples.

At the end of the day, its only a TV Channel, nothing more.

We only need Sat Guru Granth Sahib Ji and thats it, everything else is a waste.

The Hashshashins were Shia Muslims. They were mainly used to assassinate Sunni leaders who would persecute Shia communities in the Middle east, they were fearless, ruthless and very good at what they did. The Mongols completely destroyed the Hashshashin brotherhood and probably did the world a great favour.

actually they were ismaili muslims thats what I read and also found, from what I have researched, the mogols or Hulagu Khan didn't completely destroy them. Their "system" by which they grew ever so powerful still exists today, it was later adopted by the knights templars when they met their (hashshashins) founder during the 11th century.

They were amazed by the loyalty of the followers who would do anything for the leader and brotherhood.

Remember the thuggee of India.

If you've ever seen or played the very popular computer game Assassin's Creed, it is actually based on those guys.

Yup, played it, I got it on my xbox..

An important thing I heard is that when we talk of Aryans, we are talking about middle easterners NOT Europeans. I think they were from around the Iran/Iraq area.

Someone once told me that British and German people in colonial times reconstructed (i.e. made up) the Aryan identity to make it a white European one, probably mainly as propaganda to justify their own invasions and actions (I imagine by citing historical precedent or something). So we have to be wary.

Hitler also believed in a "Aryan" race. I have read on a few sites that the Aryans can be traced back to the "mountain people", who were the ancient phoenicians.

Read up on madame blavatsky and the seven root races of the world.

the current british royal family has its root in ancient egypt and they can trace their bloodline back to "abraham".

Interesting threads.

Have any members here heard of Carl Gustav Jung? and his "Red Book".

Mind Manipulation techniques increased during WW1 & WW2, after the war, majority of the SS, Nazi scientists who were believed to behind the success of Hitlers "brain washing" of Germany were secretely flown over to good old US of A, so that they could continue thier work.

Government = Govern - To Control, Ment - The Mind.

Has anybody heard about the "Hashshashin" from which the world "assassin" is derived?

From what I have read and understood, the guy (ali hassan) who started this secret brotherhood learnt his "brain washing" technquies from a secret egyptian brotherhood. He basically built a "mini" paradise, rivers of wine, beautiful women, etc, the whole works. What he would do is while you were eating your food, drug you, then move you to this paradise, place himself as a "god", have the women seduce you, etc, then drug you again and then you will wake up in your bed, believing it was a "vision".

This way, he recruited thousands of men who were dormant, doing normal jobs, and then at his command will do anything. If he commanded you to jump from the top of the cliff, you will do it, because you know that after death, paradise will await you.

These assassins where also hired by the rich to kill off their enemies and they always got the job done.

Thank you for the negative reply.

Right, so if I had agreed with you, its OK, but if I disagree, present an different opinion, I am negative.

I am not going to ruin someones career for my own values, I am aware that in the past when it has come to reporting things nothing much happens generally especially with the rest of propoganda going on,

Then why come on here and report unsubstantiated rumours?

If this is how everyone going to act then why even use the word panth where is the ekta and brotherhood (as they say dog eat dog world)- me personally I have many battles to take on my self (bring self peace/humility/join with God, bring world peace, end world hunger, etc.).

NO, you were asked about a source, you had none and now you are going all defensive and emotional.

lol.

Here is a suggestion for you;

how much do you believe in Sikhi?

How much I believe in Sikhi is none of your business, but I have at times put my money where my mouth is and where I had to act I have.

But what I don't do is spread rumours.

If the answers to the above are YES and 100% belief.

why do you not go to India and investigate all of this and deal with it.

Otherwise sir you have nothing constructive to say.

Come with 100% proof, otherwise stick to your "world peace and end world hunger progamme"

Infact, why don't you contact Sikh Channel, Sangat Trust, Khalsa Aid, Panjab Radio, Amrit Bani radio, The "mighty" Khalsa Alliance, etc, and see if they will help you, help your relative when they "out" the DGPC for the criminals they are.

In the end, if you are telling the truth, which I believe you are, then why not act?

The rest is upto you. Good Luck.

What I find interesting is that, since the Delhi Sikhs have parted with the Panjabi SGPC, all they have had is bad press? Are the current SGPC that "clean" that they can't put a foot wrong?

As far as I am concerned, the whole lot of them are thieves, the older thieve is crying because they now have less money to steal, now with Harayana going their own way, I wonder what will happen next....

But, all is happening according to Wahegurus Hukam.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh,

Sat Sri Akaal,

Just flipping through the channels on Sky Digital Satellite and came across this new Sikh Channel.

It is called Sangat and located on Channel 847

Sangat TV is by Sangat Trust, you can bing or google it on-line for further information.

So far, they are playing a pre-recorded schedule of Sehaj Path done by the Kids from Baru Sahib and hourly Introduction Videos which last around 20mins.

I like the way they starting this channel, unlike the "Sikh Channel" on 840, they did not start out by playing recorded Katha/Gurbani VCD's from Panjab, infact when the Sikh Channel started, for couple months that was all they were playing, the menus didn't match what was on, etc.

In short, The Sikh Channel - 840 in my view was rushed to the market without any well thought out plan to back it. It is still rough around the edges, and the message I am getting is that if you want them

to do better, pay up.

Personally, from the programmes I have seen on Sikh Channel, its lacking something, I don't know what.

Sangat on the other hand, have not done this.

Competition is always healthy.

There will be another Sikh based channel starting soon, this, I believe is the guy who originally came up with the idea of the "Sikh Channel", but was beaten to the market by Mr Bal from Britasia.

The fourth addition is AmritBani TV, I don't know if it is Web based or Sky, but they are collection funds for it.

Can somebody here tell me, how does one go about starting a Sky Channel, what are the costs involved, etc.

Sat Sri Akaal

Look at that piece of scum at the back, who is taking a picture and whoever took this picture.

Hope they all burn, even those who did not have the guts to interviene.

This is so sad.