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Singh421 does it really matter ?
I don't think so , religion is a personal journey one trying to make that connection with the almighty , cleanse one self . Its not about looking at whether x,y,z's journey .
Allah is one of many names for the almighty , such as Waheguru, god , parmarthma , purmeshar , rahmeyeeah etc...
In my opinion , you have to contemplate on whether you are feeling inner peace , inner bliss , inner love , for humanity when reading/listening to , trying to understand Gurbani and try to act on the teachings. Its very hard to do , so many distractions but one must try ...
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LOL!!! 41 isn't old .............. still young blood
In my opinion , I would do a regular sport that you enjoy and eat right . Its all about eating right. For example , you may play football once or twice a week , and that requires a level of fitness ( so your aim would be to stay fit , stamina wise and muscle development )
do Cardio work , exercise bike , pressups , squats which require no weights .
Warming up is key
1. do jumping jacks where you spread your legs and clap your hands over your head with stretched arms. Good for warming up the full-body
2.alternate toe touches standing up , where finger tips touch alternate toes. Good for warming up back , buttock and hamstring
3. Squats , good for warming up quads,hamstring and buttock
4. pressups good for pecs.deltoids,triceps, and upper back
5. seated stretches where your aim is to touch your toes alternately good for hamstrings,groin,spine , back and buttocks
6.thigh stretch , hold foot and pull towards the bum , ( stretches thighs) good for quads and thighs
can start with doing 10 reps then increase slowly to say 20-25. Its recommended 10-15 mins warm , its very hard to do but something is better than nothing hey !!!LOL
Obviously older you get , its harder to build muscle and more prone to injury so stretching is crucial before and after training . Its hard to do and is easily missed .
If going for weights , i.e. benchpress, squats , biceps, legs etc... focus more on technique and with light weight don't go or increase weight until you can comfortably do 12-14 reps for about 6 weeks. Then increase slowly. Your body will tell you if you are straining or easily doing the weights , then act accordingly. I would advise not to lift too much heavy weights. Do compound exercises as a must i.e. squats , deadlift ..
Theres plenty of stuff on the internet giving you tips and techniques. Obviously body needs rest so train Monday , rest , train weds, rest , train fri, rest ....
I believe 80 percent is what you eat , let me add I am no fanatic or an expert just some views I thought I share and if you like them take on board otherwise just disgard them , but the biggest hurdle is starting it , whatever you want to do , start it and stick at it ....... it will take time and you'll notice the benefits .... Next time you know it you'll be 51 but feel like a 21 year old.
Good luck
HTH
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This aproach didn't work work with the Bandai Khalsa.
It didn't work with the Naamdharis.
it didn't work with the Sant Nirankaris.
it didnt work with ashutosh, ram rahim and bhaniara.
it hasn't worked with darshan rogi, dhadrianwala rogi and other cult leaders.
Why do you think it didn't work ?
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The repercussions on the Sikh Panth will be huge. You seem very oblivious to this or maybe its something you want?
I dont think you are reading my posts veer ji , why would i want something that is damaging Sikhi ?
Do you want Sikhs fighting "Sikhs" or would you want a system in place where someone falsely preaching Sikhi , is punished accordingly via proper methods.
We need to educate these people first have dialogue with them ,we need to keep on knocking at their door however long it takes.
If they never enter into a dialogue , then doesnt that mean we need to change our system somehow . The fact that we dont have a solid leader , these things will keep on happening .
QuoteNor do I. But darshan rogis kartoot and dhadrianwalas kartoot are definitely something that we can judge
Do we just judge and leave it their ?
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Well make it clear then what you are talking about. I am not asking you about any solutions you think you have. I am asking about this dhadrianwala guy who you seem to be very fond of.
boy !!! you are one angry dude bro ....... bash them on their heads be done with it is that better
QuoteAt the moment theres only one way to deal with people like rogi. Just as the Panth has dealt with its own enemies in the past.
What is that way ?
I try not to judge anyone bro.( i have millions of faults , who am i to judge ..no one )
Its not about supporting one or not . He has some good and bad qualities.
One question for you , if you have "someone" doing good for many years helped thousands of individuals , and recently he has made a turn and gone the opposite way. What do you do ?
Ex-communicate him from the panth ?
Make his name mud ?
beat him up ?
stop supporting him ?
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Try to have dialogue with him ?
Send him facts as what he was doing good and now what he is doing wrong ?
Do nothing leave him to his own devices ?
I personally believe sikhi is about compassion , Guru maharaj says Sikhi sikhya gur vichar , lets do vichaar of the Gurus Shabad and learn. If none is the wiser then lets ask questions to those who are well educated in Sikhi , from the vichaar we can hopefully with Guru Maharaj jis kirpa take it on board and practice . If some are breaking the Kaum with false prichaar , then have dialogue with them . If they refuse to , then keep on trying until they do .
Until we all follow the same rehyat maryda these things will keep on happening.
Some vichaar will become argumentative , but then we must learn to walk away and then come back to it.
If we feel so passionate about it , and dont want to damage the image of Sikhi by doing the wrong thing where Outsiders and even SIkhs are saying , who needs enemies when you got sikhs, they cant stop fighting amongst themselves. Sri Har mandir sahib , when the bafoons drew their Kirpans due to personal clashes between different parties , thats not right , that is in fact damaging Sikhi, breaking the Panth , stopping the youngsters taking Sikhi on board simply because we cant be mature enough to talk amicably.
If Ranjit Singh Dhandriawala is doing wrong preechar , then dont bash him on his head immediately , he will go defensive straight away . We have to be more diplomatic if i say to you Chatanga1 your an idot , got no clue , you will probably reply back with a similar comment whereas if i said Chatanga1 you are one smart dude ,and good points can you explain x,y,z , you'll probably do that to the best of your ability.
Probably gone off course , but anyway enough said
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Thats not what I asked. I wonder whether you really do read my posts.
I asked you about dhadrianwalas silence on darshan's new form of amrit, and dhadrianwala staying with darshan rogis supporters on his recent tour of america.
I'm wondering the same thing
ITs completely wrong , hence the post stating to stop such issues the judgement, we need a proper governing body with power. A few videos here and there , attacking him etc.. probably wont stop him but ignite the fire even bigger.
We cant stop an individual supporting or following x,y,or z , sooner or later he will become his own enemy and fall .
How do you think this can be stopped ?
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What judgement is there to make in your opinion on this?
In my opinion , there is no governing body that has power or authority to stop issues such , as Gurudawara owned halls used to serve meat/alcohol , wrong preaching of Gurbani etc..
Even though you have akaal takt , but we have right infrastructure but the wrong leaders , even then how can you enforce one to do the right thing ?
I think especially here in the UK , we need a proper governed body where if a Gurudwara or individual in a Gurudawara is doing wrong deeds they are summoned to court.
In the court full facts / evidence are provided to a panel who are well versed and practice Sikhi . Initial aim is to get them back on track based on the Sikh history , Gurbani . If they still fail to do the right thing , then necessary punishment is given i.e. community service , fixed penalty fines , jail sentences . So all the fake babeh , Sikhi bashers can be summoned to court if they don't follow Sikhi protocol.
Our Gurus set up a brilliant system only if we knew how to use it.
In the UK all gurudawaras have a charity status and have to abide by their rules. You submit to them your structure and all they do is make sure its done fairly , but have the power to summon individuals to court but don't really care if sikhi is being followed and practiced correctly and its the latter I think we need .
Whats is your opinion ?
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Are you 100% sure that Dhadrianwala is not a pawn of the intelligence forces which are trying to break Sikhi?
I'm not not sure veer ji , and thats what we need to find out and find the truth and then we will be sure .
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Exactly my point , good job you are reading the posts veer ji
Who are the some people ?
How many times have they tried speaking to him ?
On the facebook page , he also says if we all become parcharaks , learn to read Gurbani ourselves , do part ourselves rather than paying for it to be done . is that wrong ?
Come on veer ji , theres always 2 sides to the story not just one.
QuoteHis dera is nothing more than a cult now. He says things which are against Gurbani yet no chela says anything
Is it because they are non the wiser ?
Why only ban his Diwaans in Amritsar if he is doing false parchaar? Why not ban him every where ?
I'll say it again , we need to be more compassionate,loving and caring and get to the truth.
Its like my posts and your posts , you will go anti dhandrianwala , I will be neutral and try to understand why this is being done , some of his comments are probably wrong and should be rectified no issues with that , but we'll just keeping playing that tennis match.. but in fact it needs action , proper investigation , if he dont want to speak then is that it we just leave it , and base all the points on some videos. If at one point he was good and now according to you "his dera is nothing more than a cult now" Why?
Have you every thought he could be hurting from inside , as your probably aware an assasination attempt was made on him last year , his close friend/colleague/follower was shot . Has any justice been done till date ? I'm not aware of any. Hence why i Keep saying , we need to get the full story with pyar before we make any judgement.
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Wow so many replies
The videos are basically snippets as mentioned before , and his views be they right or wrong it doesnt matter , its like a tennis match , he says something , then the other one , back and forth .
I'm not a fan of either or defending anyone , but pointing out Sikhi is about compassion , love , caring .
As mentioned before if he has his own agenda ,anti Sikhi then he will surely pay for it ...... but if the truth needs to be established rather than snippets of videos they need to confront them face to face . By they I mean people who have Gian and knowledge are on the path themselves. If one refuses , do you stop there ... i dont think so, you have to keep knocking on their door , applying pressure until they do.
If it can be done with tact, with pyar who wouldnt want to listen rather than just getting the boot in from the start.
I'm all for the "truth" and not calling anyone liars . How many here have contacted Ranjit Singh Dhandrianwala about the causes stated in this thread ?
How many here have written to him ?
If this is causing problems in Sikhi , we need to stand up ourselves and educate the sangat , and then post our experiences with the one accused otherwise its just hear say.
I still personally think its progaganda other intelligence forces are playing their part in breaking Sikhi. If a parcharak has been doing good for x many years , joining the sangat then why change all of a sudden , dont make any sense or unless its wahegurus hukam . For arguments sake , if he has dialogue with the sangat/Giani's then I think it needs to be done compassionately so that one realises the truth and makes a U-turn back and starts doing the good deeds again. Its very easy to break something but very hard to keep intact and its the latter we must focus on.
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Dhadrianwala is creating unnecessary doubts within the Panth (obviously not on a very big scale at the moment). Casting a doubt in the minds of Sangat on Bhora sahib, Amritvela, Sri Satguru jee (Second Master)'s sakhi, Mai Bhago jee' s sakhi, etc. What is the need to do that? There are so many other Sakhis/ideas he can talk about. Why cause controversies?
Where is he saying this ? is this recorded anywhere ?
As many , many years ago i went to couple of his diwaans in the UK , he was very good , simple to understand , motivational main focus , Attach to the Guru . I didnt judge his personal life , thats up to him what he does.
My personal view is that there are many people who look like sikh but want sikhi to be abolished , he is not one of them . I think he has a good following and getting bigger , so some start to spread rumours to belittle someone having influence so to stop him/them in their tracks . They feel threatened and want to see their downfall.
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I dont understand your point veer ji .
Someone trying to make a difference by telling "human kind" to do the right thing , read gurbani , do seva , read history etc... for many many years , has thousands of people attending his diwaans....... obviously according to some spreading malicious rumours this is a bad thing he is doing , outright unacceptable , how dare he try to put people on the right track , give them a sense of belief that almighty can be part of their lives .
I still dont get it ( most likely i'm thick ) but why not confront him face to face ?
I think it was last year where he was nearly killed but sadly his colleague was shot and died ..... why ?
What was the outcome , was their any justice ?
The recent incident where #FreeJaggiNow , UK citizen has been abducted by the Police , without any details ... i think we need to stand up and fight for these type of causes. If a parcharak has been doing good service for many years and theres a bit of controversy , ask the parcharak behind closed doors ( remember theres always 2 sides to a story )
We very easily put someone down without knowing the full facts and we dont realise how damaging this is . If for arguments sake he has his own personal agenda and is putting up a front , then only he will suffer at the end no one else .
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He also says , believe in Dhan Dhan Sri Guru granth sahib ji maharaj and no one else
He also says get baptised and become a sikh
and much more
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This is a complete joke
The first video not showing the full context just snippets , they can edit anything nowadays and get people to believe anything
Plus this is a good way of knocking someone down who is doing good for Sikhi
We must wake up and judge for ourselves rather than videos like the above. This is all propaganda by some few individuals trying to put him down , as he is waking up the sangat
Has anyone been to his diwans ?
Ask him directly , if you have concerns i'm sure he will answer them.
We have this problem , cant see someone in the kaum doing well , rumours are spread and be person defamed. Why ???
Why now ???
wHo is behind all of this ??
Have we ever thought about this ?
If he is doing wrong , then he will have to suffer ..., sangat are not that stupid .
Why do you think he has some many followers ?
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A true inspiration , a role model , a doer - may waheguru keep him and his family in chardi kala
QuoteWhere are the khalsa brothers like him whose advice I can share with countless sisters.
Tina KAur Bains , very touching and yet beautiful how such a soul changed ones life and in fact many with is passion and love for Sikhi.
A true Gursikh where , all you read is praise upon praise upon raise and sincere praise... so beautiful
Penji Khalsa is within you , keep doing what you are doing to enhance your sikhi , you too will start giving advice with maharaj ji's kirpa
kwhy mn qU folqw hir mnsw pUrxhwru
Why do you waver, O my mind? The Lord is the Fulfiller of hopes and desires.
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Very bad indeed.
Pressure needs to be applied , get other organisations involved if not done so already i..e
Sikh Council UK
British Sikh Council UK
Satkaar committee
Have they been contacted at all ?
You have to go through the right channels to get them out , enough evidence is there .
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Piaree Sadh Sangat ji
Wahe guru ji ka Khalsa Wahe Guru ji Ke Fateh
Please see letter attached .
Basically RST are considering in using the hall opposite the Gurudawara for Social Functions ( meat and Alcohol will be served)
Sikh Council UK are on the case
We need to put pressure on the committee so that they think twice and put a stop to it.
Please email info@rstbirmingham.com or call 0121 233 2647 /5435 and voice your concerns ( politely and peacfully of course)
The more pressure put on the committee the better. Need to be done before 14th september
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Sikhi has not changed since Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji's time , it has always been beautiful , showing love, respect , compassion to all human kind . ( end of no ifs and buts)
ITs us humans , who are making up our own rules , our own jattabandis NOT Sikhi.
So as a humble request , aim is to follow sikhi from the heart , learn , read , sing gurbani ( I know its easy to write this , but hard to do but aim is to do it ). YOur inner self will then tell you how beautiful Sikhi is , any doubts , misconceptions will be cleared , will become irrelevant , your connection with the almighty will be yours and yours alone . You will be guided correctly , without even knowing .
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Both sides to the Sri Dasam Granth were told not to debate this in public, but the missionary side never let up for over 6 years. Both sides were told in 1999 not to debate, but as the missionarys never relented, jathedar of Sri Akal Takht Sahib then issued a statement in 2006 that these nindaks should be given a fitting reply wherever and whenever they raise their ugly face.
If no reply, then you have the concern where people who don't know about this subject, will beleive the anti, because there is no response from the other side.
I would have thought an open debate would have been better , open in terms of behind closed doors with learned people / scholars .Hear both sides and then tell both sides they should agree to disagree and from then on never to debate such issues in public as its breaking the panth. But then i suppose you'll get people who will take advantage of this , put 2 and 2 together to make 6 and start their own agendas.
QuoteRespect is fine, as long as they are not undermining the very traditions of the Sikh Panth. If they are then it is our duty to respond
Yes respond indeed , but respond in a manner where , your dont just pick up the dundar and start bashing , or caling names , respond to educate them , explain to them with piare ( not like the jatedar in the other thread who was talking about tati parshab ) We very easily find faults and dwell on the faults , but is that Sikhi ? ( I dont think so)
Anti this , anti that , they are agents of so and so ... if this is a fact , and theres evidence then by all means expose them , but without proper evidence this is very dangerous and damaging , hence causes slandering , fights , even murders.
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Absolutely Neo ..... this is totally disgusting
Is this a leader ? Dont even know how to speak " tati parshaab ... come on man these guys dont have any remorse at all.
There must be a vetting system in place so people like this dont just get up and stage and talk jibberish .
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I think we are missing the point . You will get people believing in both Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Sri Guru Dasam Granth Ji , some only one , some none at all . I agree up to a point that in public negativity should be avoided as its breaking the Panth . We should not get out our dhund-eh and start bashing people , calling them names simply because they dont agree with each others views. Discussion is good both good and bad but shouldnt resort to rifts between Sikhs. We are our own enemy. There is so much anger and hatred , looking at some television clips , our so called leaders are so angry , is that what Sikhi is teaching them , or is it that they only look the part but dont really act on what our Guru is telling us to do.
Its sad and very frustrating we are being divided over granths , and yet how many of us actually understand them or even can read them ? So is it just a mere ritual that if the prakash of the granths are done in Gurudawaras then we are happy ..... and thats it .
I think we should respect peoples views , and not just trying to convert the converted having our own little jathas and parties each teaching /fighting for something different . I think we need to welcome all regardless of their beliefs , try to reach out to those who know nothing and educate them about Sikhi , as SIkhi is about our own personal journey , each individuals being unique. No one is perfect , we all make mistakes , and its how we deal with the mistakes that will make us or break us. At the moment its breaking us , breaking us by the mere antic;s shown by our so called leaders . I sincerely home waheguru does kirpa on the kaum , as Sikhi is such a beautiful way of life , and we are not doing it any justice.
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Until pendus stop thinking like pendus, we're always going to have this.
Very true indeed , and the pendu mentality is being used by the instigators to make sikhs go against each other , and are succeeding But these guys are oblivious to that.
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Dhumma's speach is a joke
Why not simply say , I'm not involved and shows his gratification to the Singh who was killed.
Is this Sikhi , the "so called leaders" cannot get on with each other and need to practice humility and forgiveness and piaar.
So sad , what the kaum is coming to , on one side organisations are trying to spread Sikhi all around the world , fighting for SIkhs rights to wear turbans, kirpans etc... and on the other hand you have "this" .... two steps forward six back.
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I agree 100% it is wrong mindset , I have been to this Gurudawara in Jalandhar . The thing that shocked me the most was , when I went there the first time 7-8 yrs ago there must have been 20 plus Saroop of Sir Guru Granth Sahib Ji , all doing akand path sahib .
I went there again this April ( still the same ) ….
If you think of it from there perspective , theres nothing there in Punjab for the young and people who want to work. The leaders are corrupt , do get a job , they want bribes . So they turn to this , if some have had visas to go abroad for a better life by donating aeroplanes & doing ardas at the Gurudawara then a trend is set. The sad thing is the committee should put a stop to this and change their mindset ….