singho

Mithr, this thread is about Bachitar Natak.

On the kingship of Mohammed (from www.iranchamber.com):

Does it say 'king' in the Majlesi hadith? Which word is used exactly?

Even if Heraclius did report seeing this message in the stars at night, does this mean that Heraclius is to be taken as an authority on the 'kingship' of the Prophet (pbuh)?

that statement about the udasis was made by the then bahadur singh, which, typically, was a purely personal one-off incident he witnessed during his brief trip to punjab.

Bahadur has in fact visited the region several times, so which trip are you referring to here?

he generalised it into a definitive institutional characteristic of a a 500 yr old tradition!

To be frank I fail to see how this would constitute 'typical' behaviour on his part. Even more surprising is your initiation of personal attacks against him here on this forum with defamatory asides such as this, when in the past you and him have shared a friendly interaction and he has never shown any animosity towards you.

Dancing Warrior

With reference to this:

http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...h&start=120

and subsequent comments, it appears that despite the passage of time, even to this day you still have a lot to say - and none of it salutary - regarding the character and person of Javanmard.

In that post, you took it upon yourself to reveal Javanmard's identity, and to cast aspersions on his character. While this matter does not concern me directly, it does seem to me that Javanmard has a valid point: he responded to your attack by admitting his identity and by supplying a photograph of himself which everyone can obtain and see.

The comments you have made about Javanmard are of a serious nature and give me some pause for thought. You wrote: " Let me make it clear the debates are of substance however the narrator is not. " And you have maintained this highly personalised mode throughout your posts on this forum up to now.

So, will you supply a photograph of yourself or reveal your identity, as Javanmard has done? Sikh doesn't need anonymity, right?

Admin Note: Take it over the pm. Topic Closed. Reason Code: Pretty obvious, this forum is not a playground for personal squabbles.

If there's a problem with sikhi or its professed followers then I'm sure that with the permission of the guy at the top (National Lottery, or this or that government committee or whoever) you will be able to create 'order out of chaos'.. if you manage to ruin someone's life and their personal credibility or even their means of making a living then so much the better both for preventing criticism and setting in place a dire warning for the likes of me... isn't that so mr deep singh?

what's it to you deepsingh? How come you lot are discussing a private individual's life, in public on an internet forum? Is it a warning to yourself or others?

90 percent of gurdware in the UK are financed with haram money from the Lottery Fund as are the Sanatanis. Why should I have sangat of a haramkhor community?

I had no idea about this lottery funding of UK sanatans.. it puts the provocative sarbloh.info website and shastarvidiya.org with its unlawful threats of GBH ('hadh torh') in an entirely different light.. Totally fake UK government project and then they have the gall to say Angrez malesh da Sikhi demons in khalsa nation fight against fake Sikhs blah blah bullshit. Screw you guys! UK government Fakes.

Take if over PM.

well .. hmmm... you can say "why dont you wear a towel on your head?" cos you got no brains to cover !

LOL@you

I think in your case, you have tied it far too tight, and now it's gone blue from lack of blood circulation and stinks of cheese..

Singho, most muslims i met claim that Koran came from God direct and it is the word of God.

however, from my research on the internet I found out that the Koran was written 700 year after muhammeds death and even several hadiths were written and then deleted and then changed ! and then the claim to put that muhammad was the last prophet ?? i mean he claimed himself to be the last prophet, i dont understand that how can someone close to God talk about his own greatness... when on the otherhand Guru Nanak dev ji never made self-claims but begged to be the dust of the feet of saints.

"Nanak daad eh sukh mangai, mo kar santan ke dhooray"

is it also true that muhammad asked some jews to embrace islam and those jews then rejected !

is this true? whats the story behind it?

Is this just for my benefit or can others respond to this thread? If you just want personal communication with me then you should use PMs.

You're welcome. Enjoy your escapism.

hello.. i have an update if anyone is interested

Yes, I am interested.

Listen little child, I asked you to chill out because believe it or not, no one likes conversing with a scurrilous philistine.

You're projecting again.

I predict he's taken amrit and decided to keep the kesh.

Frankly the ignorance about Gurbani (which is our Guru, after all) and the perceived arrogance after having read a few books is amazing.

We can all read here, but are you capable of critical analysis or do you just attribute meanings to Gurbani in order to make your own agenda and opinions so sacrosanct that anyone who disagrees with you is heretic?

Fair comment shaheediyan. There are problems with crime in the UK. But generally sword attacks or defenses are few and far between, and I have every confidence that the authorities here are making concerted efforts to stamp out child exploitation, sexual exploitation and other serious crimes. I do not believe the authorities in India are sincere in their alleged efforts. This is because of the prevailing mentality of backward people who do not respect the rights or dignity or honour of women, and who neither follow the Brahmanical laws or the immaculate way of the Prophet Mohammend (PBUH) who is without flaw.

As for the ludicrous suggestion that Singhs in the UK are or have been involved in attacking racists with swords, this is yet another ridiculous and blatantly false claim, as anyone who lives here will realise. Anyone who threatens someone with a sword for whatever reason is looking at a long spell in prison, and having their name splashed on the pages of the news. Which leads one to wonder: if tonyhp who lives in the UK is telling the truth about Islam, then why does he need to make up so many lies?

Singho, there was a case in India that I recall. A pervert guy like you, obsessed with temp. marriages who was working for a post office tried to rape two amritdhari female while they were sitting alone at the railway station. the females took their kirpan out and stabbed them.

This was in the NEWS.. but a long time ago, i thinkyou can check tribune.com

You're talking too tough, brickie. We're not talking about a backward country here where couples are frequently raped at night in the countryside by rapist pindus like you. We're talking about UK. This kind of think doesn't happen here. So go and find youself a subway and clear your mind.

Wow you're a grown up and you have life experience! I don't know where you're from but I've seen plenty of fights when Singhs have used a sword against racists.

Internet legends... you waste your time sowing them. I don't believe a word of any of it. Using a sword on someone is a serious offense here. So it must have been in the news, etc. like Satpal Ram's case. Your examples?

Did someone mention Reggae ?

Yes I. Thanks for the videos. This is for you:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/9/3/1405069/a.ogg

Lest you forget that late-80s digital reggae sound!

Singho, I would run to the Gurbani guy because chances are he's pull his Kirpan out and cut the racists apart whereas you would be running around crying Islamophobia!

One fact is true: you would be running because outnumbered. But the radio Gurbani which puts people like w-bol at ease is of no use to anyone. It is there to make money and that's all. I know this because I'm a grown-up with education and some life experience. And show me one case where a Sikh with kirpan has cut a racist? My point being: Santji Babaji so-and-so won't help anyone but themselves. The kind of guy who might cut a racist would be a Satpal Ram, a non-amritdhari. And he would do it with razor, not stainless steel kirpan with Gurbani inscribed in brass. This I know, from what I've seen.

i dont know why you are so much taken by the word paki.

This just reveals your profound ignorance and lack of grace. What do you think a lion such as yourself or tonyhp will be called if he goes to a poor working-class area of UK where there is BNP support? And who do you think you will run to? Me or the Gurbani guy on the radio?

tonyhp, it's no surprise that you have to resort to lies about what I have written on this forum, and then address the lies you yourself have made up. Where did I say sigheh was a solution to 'immorality'? I said it was a solution to prevent the spread of disease such as HIV/AIDS, which also repels gold-diggers and guards against rape.

Now, if the problem is that Muslim women voluntarily accept money from men, then where does that leave the Indian dowry system of marriages? Apparently it's better to pay off the man's family to take a substantial bribe to accept your daughter's hand, than for your daughter to accept small gifts or tokens of affection from a non-permanent partner in a committed, monogamous relationship? I can't accept this.

If the problem is that a woman can take 6 men in a year then contrary to what you're saying, that can't be prostitution can it? A hooker might need to take 6 men a night to support herself and a drug habit, or 6 men a week to just support herself. So your insulting remarks about Iranian women taking REGISTERED male partners just reveal more about your own self-made Taleban brand of Sikhi which perhaps you might be able to convince a few born-again Sikhs or virgin warrior types to buy, but which to me is just pointless moralising.

Have you got any point apart from just sharing your opinion?

Shaheediyah has given you a thoughtful response to your argument yet instead of reflecting on it and making a comment you chose to take a cheap shot at what Wahegurubol wrote. I thought you were the one asking for a respectful debate?

There is no room for any intelligent debate with a construction worker who likes to call people 'Paki' and then in the same breath uses the name of Guru Nanak and Baba Ishar Singh. I am still waiting for him to explain himself for using this term of abuse, before I lay down what's what in terms of Shia- and Sikh.

As for my paki friend (now i would call a pakistan, a paki only, what else).

You were saying, about Guru Nanak and Baba Ishar Singh?

Kavita, don't listen to that idiot. What the ladies are wearing in the second picture, NOT the first, is a 'veil' or a 'hijab'. In Iran you do NOT have to have that green suit with face and body covering.

The ladies in the second picture are fighting FOR their right to wear hijab. It is their culture and belief. Iran will protect their right to wear the hijab.

A veil (hijab) is not a BURQA, so what's the problem?

Example of a BURQA (full face and body covering):

Example of HIJAB: