amardeep

This is so tragic, Ravail Singh and Avtar Singh were two popular Sikh leaders of the Afghans. Unlike Indian sikh leaders, these two had a huge backing and following by the Afghan Sikh community in Afghanistan and abroad. I can't see how the Afghan Sikhs will cope with their leadership destroyed. God bless these shaheeds.

"On Sunday, in what seems to be a targeted attack, Khalsa was among 20 killed in a suicide blast in Jalalabad. Khalsa and the others were travelling to meet Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani, who had just inaugurated a hospital in Jalalabad. One of his sons, Narinder Singh Khalsa, was injured in the attack. Khalsa was to fight the elections in October and was touted to win a seat in the parliament.
 

Few Afghans are as invested in the government’s quest for peace and stability as the dwindling Sikh and Hindu minorities, which have been decimated by decades of conflict. The community numbered more than 80,000 in the 1970s, but today only around 1,000 remain.
 

A father of four, he lived his life mostly in Kabul, and served as a senator representing the minority. Khalsa also led a delegation of Sikhs and Hindus to meet Indian ambassador to Kabul Vinay Kumar last month. Khalsa also reportedly served at various ranks in the Afghan army. Sikhs and Hindus have been driven out of many areas by heavy fighting. They have suffered widespread discrimination in the conservative Muslim country and have also been targeted by Islamic extremists."

https://www.news18.com/news/india/sikh-leader-avtar-singh-khalsa-champion-of-afghan-rights-among-those-killed-in-jalalabad-blast-1797697.html

I think this charitar is a mirror of the fram story where the King enacts a great war for the sake of attaining a specific woman  he wants. Here you have the female enacting a great war for a specific man she wants.

The wise minister might be trying to convey ethics of war to the king now: Can you enact huge wars for the sake of material Things/ lust etc? There are some hints in the charitar that points to a new theme of dharam yudh rules: 1) being a Coward if one fights with a woman 2) negating notions of honor and shame in warfare 3) the Whole  battle seems to be portrayed as a Loose/Loose situation.

There are some video recordings of the British of kirtan at golden temple, early 1900s. 

Interesting 

What is the evidence that he was a spy and from what year onwards was he a spy ? Was it post maharaja ranjit singh?

Many converts change names at conversion.  

Also conjecture: It says the woman does jantra mantra And hooks up with a jatt. There is thus use of “Hindu terminology” as Muslim jatts are often called chaudry rather than jatt. Also  Muslims doesn’t do jantra mantra. Later she reads the Koran. Is it possible that she is a Hindu who recently became Muslim (by force?) and therefore have a mixed unstable practice - a foot in both worlds.  The way she is unstable and caught inbetween her old and new world, so too is the rani of the frame story unstable and caught between  loyalty to the old kingdom and her new kingdom. She to was forced to go from one world(kingdom) to the other. The wise minister is warning the king that he needs to be alert on her loyalty towards the king who killed her father and family. She is plotting something 

It’s the same Theme as the previous: using goodness to cover deception. In the earlier charitar telling the truth was used to deceive a person. In this, reading the Koran and appearing holy is used to deceive the husband. Topic: doing something that is normally considered good as a way to hide deception 

What is ssggsj? Sarbloh Granth ? 

The first one is a huge sakhi book of all the gurus. The second I don’t know 

Isn’t he the author of the Huge Gur pad prem Prakash and Khalsa Shatak Granth ?

Yeah I wondered about that too. Mine looks different and is only one volume 

I got mine from that shop yes

No it was his own theory 

2 hours ago, paapiman said:

Even this interpretation might be right.

8 more gurus.

First 4 in the human form:

• Sixth Master
• Seventh Master
• Eighth Master
• Ninth Master
• Tenth Master

The next 4 as follows:

• Satguru Sri Aad Guru Granth Sahib jee Maharaaj
• Sri Dasam Guru Granth Shaib jee
• Sri Sarabloh Guru Granth Sahib jee
• Khalsa Panth (5 Pyare)

 

Bhul chuk maaf

I’ve heard a nihang claim this some years back.  

Many great gursikhs were celibate, Bhai gurdas, baba deep singh, Giani Gian Singh etc

In what Indian language does yug mean two ?

Isn’t he a udasi writer from the maharaja period ? He wrote the Nanak vijay Granth and I think ten other books. He is the one who states That guru Jee creates two gaddis, one for Guru Angad and one for baba Sri Chand. Both running parallel in the same direction 

This is fantastic thanks for sharing 

In Dasam Bani in Gian Prabodh there is a description of a court from the Mahabharat, that appear to be a description of the Guru's own darbaar. In it, it states that in the darbaar, classical dancing is practiced. Sridasam.org website is down so I can't find the quote, and searchgurbani search tool is absolutely lame

58 minutes ago, Soulfinder said:

ਪੂਰੇ ਤਾਲ ਨਿਹਾਲੇ ਸਾਸ ॥ ਵਾ ਕੇ ਗਲੇ ਜਮ ਕਾ ਹੈ ਫਾਸ ॥੩॥

Pūrė ṯĝl nihĝlė sĝs. vĝ kė galė jam kĝ hai fĝs. ॥3॥

She dances to the beat, exciting the breath of those who watch her.

But the noose of the Messenger of Death is around her neck. ॥3॥

(SGGS Ang 1165)

Metaphor 

Also the term comes 37 times in Gurbani:

ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਸਦਾ ਧਿਆਇ ਤੂ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ

ਨਾਨਕ ਦਰਿ ਘਰਿ ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ

ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਿ ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ

ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਆਵੈ ਸਭੁ ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ

Quote

 

Bhaji, thanks for the background info. It's good to know.

However.

Let's take the first two akshar Guru Granth Sahib.

Ik Onkar

Why are our "scholars" pronouncing this as Ik Oaankar?

Anyone who knows even the basics of Gurmukhi knows that this pronunciation is wrong.

 

I dont understand? How else would you pronounce it? It is pronounced such because that is how it is to be pronounced, as testified by scholars throughout the centurues from Bhai Gurdas to Kavi Santokh Singh all the way till today.

Bhai Gurdas: ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ ਇਕਾਂਗ ਲਿਖਿ ਊੜਾ ਓਅੰਕਾਰੁ ਲਿਖਾਇਆ।

Kavi Santokh Singh: ਦੋਹਰਾ: ਏਕੁੰਕਾਰਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਤਿਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਸਚੁ ਹੋਇ,  ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤੇ ਵਿਘਨ ਵਿਨਾਸ਼ਨ ਸੋਇ

8 hours ago, paapiman said:

Wasn't Gyani Badan Singh jee a Nirmale scholar?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

I think he was a taksali but normally claimed a nirmala like kavi santokh singh.  Need to check my notes