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Avtar Singh Gill, the former petroleum secretary, alleged that Rajiv Gandhi and Arun Nehru had sanctioned the violence.
“Lalit Suri of Lalit Hotels, who used to come and see me often, dropped by. He was the errand boy for Rajiv Gandhi, and since he often needed some work done, he was close to me. He came to me in the ministry and said, ‘Clearance has been given by Arun Nehru for the killings in Delhi and the killings have started. The strategy is to catch Sikh youth, fling a tyre over their heads, douse them with kerosene and set them on fire. This will calm the anger of the Hindus'.
Suri told me that I should be careful even though my name is not in the voters’ list, the Delhi Gurdwara voters’ list. ‘They [the rioters] have been provided this list. This will last for three days. It has started today, it will end on the third [of November].’"
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Hondh Chillar and Pataudi....where not even a whisper escaped and not even an ounce of human decency survived....
AMIDST FIELDS of ripening wheat, a man who had never shed a tear wept inconsolably. Manwinder Singh Giaspur, 35, a textile engineer based in Gurgaon, broke down when he discovered the 26-year-old secret of genocide. On 2 November 1984, a mob attacked the small Sikh hamlet of Hondh-Chillar located 15 km from Pataudi, in Rewari district of Haryana. The remnants of burnt buildings are the only testimony to a shameful truth: that the anti-Sikh riots had also claimed victims in Haryana with the same ruthless efficiency displayed in Delhi.
Overwhelmed by a blitz of reporters, camera crews and netas (political minions), the then sarpanch and eyewitness, Dhanpat Singh Yadav, ran his finger through his thinning grey hair and said, “For 26 years you all were fast asleep, now suddenly the media has woken up and come to find out what happened?”
The attack came in two waves, he recalled. The villagers of Chillar and Hondh were able to fend off the first group of attackers on 1 November, but at 10 am the next day, a truck and a bus carrying 200-250 young men armed with rods, lathis, diesel and matches stormed the village. Overawed by the aggression and repeated threats by the outsiders, the villagers stood helpless as they killed 31 Sikh men, women and children and razed their bungalows and gurudwara to the ground. While some were burnt alive, others were beaten to death. The four-hour-long carnage came to an abrupt halt when a group of Sikhs broke out of their burning house armed with swords and attacked the rioters. Under the cover of night, the 32 survivors were taken by tractor to Rewari, from where they scattered across the country like Partition refugees.
Those who chose to stay back were forced to rise out of the sewers to rebuild their lives
“An FIR was filed (now apparently lost), a brief inquiry was also carried out, the police knew all the details, the local MLA Col. Ram Singh was aware of the killings but nothing happened. Everyone knew about it but chose to forget,” adds Dhanpat.
Sitting in a small, unkempt room, Gurjeet Singh, pradhan of Pataudi’s Gurudwara Singh Sahib said, “I have kept this room of my house unchanged from the ’84 riots. I want my children to see what was done to us at the hands of our own people, in our own country.” He looked at his son, smiled sardonically and added, “Every day mediapersons and netas pass through Pataudi on their way to Hondh-Chillar, but no one has come here to find out what happened to the Sikh families. Before 1984, there were close to 30 Sikh families in Pataudi, but today there are only five. We, who chose to stay back, were forced to rise out of the sewers to rebuild our lives.”
PRITAM KAUR, 80
Lost her house and commercial shops She and her son Gurjeet Singh, the pradhan of the local gurudwara, stay in a house that still bears scars from the riots
Gurjeet’s mother Pritam Kaur, wrapped in a grey shawl, leaning on her walking stick, said, “Every night, in every idle moment of every day, I am haunted by those memories. Whatever property that was taken, is gone. There is nothing we can do about that now, but the pain, the memories of fear and death will never fade.”
At 6 pm on 1 November, panic filled the city as the gurudwra was set on fire. The Sikhs of Pataudi ran for their lives, hiding wherever they could find cover as an angry mob ripped through the town burning their houses. While one group ran to the safety of the village, another chose to stay in the local ashram.
Leaving the safety of the ashram the next morning, they went to their respective houses to assess the damage. Separated, out in the open, tired and crying, they were attacked by a frenzied mob at 10 am. Many hid in neighbours’ houses, some escaped to the village but 17 people were brutally murdered that day. Burnt alive, their charred bodies — the ‘evidence’ — were piled up and burnt to ashes.
Gurjeet narrates the story of two sisters, Harmeet Kaur, 16, and Karamjeet Kaur, 19. “The mob dragged them out into the street, stripped them, abused them, beat them, urinated on their faces and burnt them alive,” he says. “There was no sense of human dignity, no sense of compassion. What role did these girls have in Mrs Gandhi’s assassination? Were we all responsible? Sardaron ke bachche hai, tho marao (They are children of sardars, so kill them).”
THOUGH MULTIPLE FIRs were lodged, no one was caught or prosecuted and the stories of Pataudi, like those of Hondh, have remained but whispers in once glorious havelis. However, when asked for an action plan, Chief Minister Bhupinder Singh Hooda said, “Action will be taken in accordance with the report filed by the Gurgaon Commissioner. Though compensation has been given, the guilty must be punished. If the report deems judicial action is needed, we will pursue it.”
When asked why no one brought out these stories before, Gurjeet said, “The media, the Sikh organisations, the politicians had all labelled the riots as the ‘Delhi riots’. We had no influential leader. There was no local media, we were scared and alone, what could we do? As time passed, we were faced with the responsibility of rebuilding our future, looking to the needs of our families, we did not have the time, resources or support to fight against the system. And to be honest, when you lose your whole world, your will to fight dies.”
Physically, emotionally and financially, none of the Sikh families of Pataudi have been able to recover. If stagnation is normalcy, their lives are on an even keel.
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Destruction of history, facts and evidence continues....
Two “unidentified” persons stole some pictures and documents related to the anti-Sikh massacres that took place in Hondh Chillar, Pataudi and Gurgaon in Haryana in 1984.
The burglary took place at the private office of Manwinder Singh Giaspura, a member of the committee that had been set up to inquire into the massacres.
In his complaint to Focal Point police station, Manwinder Singh declared that two unidentified persons alighted from a car bearing a Haryana registration number and broke open the locks of his office at Baba Gajja Jain Colony in Moti Nagar.
The accused then decamped with important documents and pictures related with the massacres.
During the anti-Sikh pogroms in 1984, 32 Sikhs were killed in Hondh Chillar in Hissar, 17 in Pataudi and 47 in Gurgaon in Haryana.
Manwinder Singh had exposed the hitherto hidden story in 2011.
Thereafter, members of the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC) and the ministers from Punjab and Haryana governments had visited the sites of the massacres and ordered the investigation. The case has been sub-judice.
The complainant, a yarn trader, said he used his business office in Moti Nagar to hold meetings of the coordination committee and also kept all records of the matter in the office.
Manwinder further said, "The office landlord informed me about the broken locks on June 12. I reached the office and found that the documents and pictures related to the case were missing."
"The accused did not touch anything else lying in the office. I fear that someone wants to hamper the investigation and therefore stole the documents. Later, I came to know that the accused had come in a car bearing a Haryana number, and fled in the same car after executing the burglary," he said.
"Though I informed the police on June 12 itself, but the police did not register the case until June 15," he reported.
The station house officer at the Focal Point police station confirmed that a case under sections 380 (theft) and 454 (lurking house-trespass or house-breaking in order to commit offence) of the Indian Penal Code had been registered. He said a manhunt had been launched to identify and arrest the accused.
This is the second such incident.
On March 4, 2011, “unidentified” miscreants had struck at Manwinder Singh’s house in the Giaspura area and absconded with some of the records relating to the massacre.
More than 2 years later, that case too remains unsolved to date.
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How or more importantly, WHY have none of these murderers been identified?
This is but one, of many questions needing answers, regarding the continuing absence of justice for the victims of the Sikh Genocide in India.
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ROLE OF THE PUBLIC
While the disturbances that shook Delhi from October 31 to November 5 could be deseribed as an 'organised disorder' with signs of meticulous planning by certain groups in some areas, deliberate laxity on the part of theadministration in other areas and wilful relinquishment of responsibility of senior Ministers as well as opposition parties on a wider scale, we cannot at the same time rule out the existence of hostility and suspicion among large sections of the Hindu population against the Sikhs because of the happenings in Punjab during the last two years.
By not solving the outstanding economic and political issues in Punjab, by allowing Sikh extremism and Hindu communalism to feed on each other leading to the army raid in the Golden Temple and antagonising thereby large sections of the Sikh community, the ruling party (Congress (I)) at the centre had sown the seeds of communal division between Hindus and Sikhs.
As a result, when from October 31, organised assaults on the Sikhs began (as distinct from a spontaneous mass upsurge against Sikhs which some observers are trying to make it out to be), the Hindu public by and large appeared to be in a mood that sanctioned such assaults. Comments by responsible Hindu citizens in Delhi indicate to some extent the popular psyche. An officer belonging to the IPS was heard to comment that the government was not preventing the violence so that people could let off steam and the Sikhs in Punjab would be 'taught a lesson'. An Indian who works for the UNO in Geneva who flew to Delhi for Mrs. Gandhi's funeral, told a member of our team that the orgy of violence had been allowed to 'teach the Sikhs a lesson'. When asked about the suffering that this was causing the common people, he said: 'Who is suffering?'.
How did the Sikh victims view this attitude of their Hindu neighbours? Victims in Gurgaon said : "People stood on their rooftops watching our houses burning, just as they do when observing the Republic Day Parade".
It was this mood again that allowed the Hindu public to believe all sorts of rumours ranging from the story of poisoning drinking water to that of armed Sikhs prowling the streets to attack Hindus. The next step from such belief in rumours is acquiescence in the rampage that had started from the evening of October 31 and even active participation by the younger and more aggressive Hindus in some cases.
The anti-Sikh communal partisan feelings had penetrated the lower ranks of the administration also, as evident from the behaviour of the police force, who were given the reins for three or four days by their superior officers.
Given this mood of vicarious exultation at the plight of the Sikhs among the public, it was easy for an organised group enjoying the patronage of the ruling party to carry out the plan of systematic destruction and killings.
The anti-Sikh sentiments in some areas were also stoked by some isolated expressions of happiness at Mrs. Gandhi's death among some Sikhs, and of bravado and attempts at resistance could have been taken as a challenge by the marauding hordes who were sure of getting police protection at every step.
But these stray incidents were marginal and do not explain the wide scale explosion of indiscriminate violence against all Sikhs throughout India on the same date and the same time, which could be the result of only a well designed strategy.
The only signs of courage and initiative in an otherwise ominous landscape were demonstrated by those Hindu and Muslim neighbours who helped Sikh families in the affected areas. We came across a large number of Sikh inmates in the relief Camps who told us repeatedly that, but for these neighbours they would have been butchered.
In a makeshift camp opposite the Kalyanpuri police station on November 3, we met a Hindu family, whose house was burnt down by the miscreants because he had given shelter to his Sikh neighbours.
A postal employee living in Bhopal told us how his house was damaged and partly burnt because he helped two Sikhs. With army assistance he moved the Sikhs to his village in Faridabad.
Members of a voluntary organisation traced two Sikh families who were given shelter by Hindus in Khichripur on November 3. Defying a belligerent mob that stood at the entrance of the lanes, a local Hindu youth led the members to the house and rescued the families who were being sheltered by a poor Hindu family. The next day, the volunteers following a request by a mother in a relief camp went to trace her daughter in Trilokpuri who was being looked after by a Hindu family. The latter restored the daughter to the volunteers, kept with them two other Sikh children whose parents were still traced.
"It is our responsibility to look after them", they said.
Near Azadpur, a Hindu factory owner hid a Sikh inside the factory premises. When the Hindus surrounded the factory demanding that the Sikh be handed over to them, the factory owner persuaded the Sikh to shave his hair and beard have him a cycle which helped him to pass through the crowd and escape.
On the GT-Karnal Road, Hindus saved a Gurudwara and a Sikh doctor's clinic from being burnt down. In the same area, from November 1 to 5, Delhi University teachers and students kept vigil around the entry point to lances where Sikhs lived.
Hindus from Munirka village and residing in Munirka colony provided protection in their own homes to ten Sikh families.
Thirty Sikh families residing in Mayur Vihar were guarded all through the period by young Hindi neighbours who resisted attempts by outsiders to raid the compound.
According to a rough estimate based on information gatgered from different sources, at least 600 Sikhs were saved by Hindus of Trilokpuri. According to an army officer posted in Shahadara, of the Sikh families he rescued from different parts of the area, at least 70% were sheltered by Hindus.
It is these acts of courage, however, few they may be, which reassure us that sanity still prevails in our country.
Who Are The Guilty : a report to the nation. By the Peoples Union for Democratic Rights. Published Nov 1984 -
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ROLE OF MEDIA AND OPPOSITION
Although we do not intend at this stage to go into the role of the media during the riots, a few words in this connection may not be out of place. The first day's evening bulletins (October 31) brought out by different newspaper establishments stated that there were "two Sikhs and one clean shaven Sikh" among the assailants. The reporters did not clarify whether the news was from official or unofficial sources. Nor was it clear how a "clean shaven Sikh" could be identified as a Sikh. In later reports the next day and the following days, we were told that only two assailants - both Sikhs were involved. What happened to the earlier reported third one ? No newspaper has yet followed up the discrepancy.
But what is of immediate relevance is the question: should the media have described the assailants immediately as Sikhs ? Given the background of the Punjab situation, such mentioning of a community by name was bound to excite communal passions and inflame communal hatred. It may be worthwhile in this context to refer to a recommendation made at a seminar on communal writings held in New Delhi in November 1970 under the joint auspices of the Press Institute of India and the Press Information Bureau of the Government of India. It was suggested that certain facts which may aggravate the situation if published straight away should be printed after a stipulated period.
We were also intrigued to find Doordarshan allowing the broadcast of highly provocative slogans like 'khoon ka badla khoon' (blood for blood) by some members from the mourning crowd at Teen Murti.
There was a tendency among many reporters to concentrate on the names of important politicians instead of on earnest efforts made by a group of concerned citizens in South Delhi on November 2, which was joined by the Janata leader Mr. Chandrasekhar and some of his followers, some newspapers the next day described it as a Janata Party march. This created temporary misunderstanding and hampered the efforts of the non-party group to bring together all citizens, many of whom did not want to identify themselves with any particular political party. The need to keep party politics out of ventures like peace marches to put down riots, is yet to be recognised by our media people who seem to remain obsessed with names of political personalities.
This brings us to the role of Opposition political leaders. We regret to say that by and large, they failed to rise to the occasion during the crucial days of October 31 to November 5. Although news of arson and carnage was pouring into the offices of the political parties every hour, they hardly made any effort to rush to the spot with their cadres, stop the violence and organise peace committees in the localities, and remained content with issuing a joint statement with the Prime Minister on November 1 pleading for peace and amity.
On November 3, when following the carnage at Trilokpuri, the group of concerned citizens went to the Opposition party leaders (referred to earlier), some among the former appealed to the Janata Party leader Chandrasekhar to lead them in a deputation to Teen Murti and appeal to the Prime Minister. Mr. Chandrasekhar rose, folded his hands and pleaded: "I cannot do it. I don't want to be accused of ruining the late Prime Minister funeral'.
Who Are The Guilty : Report to the nation. By the Peoples Union for Democratic Rights. Published Nov 1984
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LIST OF PEOPLE IDENTIFIED BY SURVIVORS
POLITICIANS
The following is the list of those alleged to have instigated violence and/or protected alleged criminals.
1. Mr. H.K.L. Bhagat, Minister of state (Information and Broadcasting). On November 5, reported to have intervened to get miscreants released who were held in Shahdara Thana.
2. Babu Ram Sharma, Member, Municipal Corporation (Ward No. 58) reported to be the right-hand man of H. K. L. Bhagat. Reportedly responsible for loot, arson and murder in trans-Yamuna areas-Babarpur, Chajupur Colony, Maujpur, Gonda. Allegedly led people on motor cycle with megaphone.
3. Sajjan Kumar, Cong. (I) M.P. from Mangolpuri. Reported to have paid Rs. 100 and a bottle of liquor to each person involved in the killing.
4. Lalit Makan, Cong. (I) Trade Union Leader and Metropolitan Councillor. Reportedly paid to mob Rs. 100 each plus a bottle of liquor. A white ambassador car reportedly belonging to him came 4 times to the G.T. Road area near Azadpur. Instructions to mobs indulging in arson were given from inside the car.
5. Dharam Das Shastri, Cong. (I) M. P. from Karol Bagh. Reported to becarrying voters list with him at Prakash Nagar for identification of Sikhs. On November 5, according to newspaper reports, he along with other Congress-I leaders tried to pressurize the SHO of Karol Bagh Police Station to release the persons who arrested during the police raids to recover looted property.
6. Jagdish Tytler, Cong.(I) M. P. from Sadar Constitutency. On 6th November 5 p.m. he barged into a press conference that the Police Commissioner S. C. Tandon was holding. A journalist reports that he told the Police Commissioner that "by holding my men you are hampering the relief work".
7. Mahendra, Metropolitan Councillor. Reported to have accompanied Dharam Das Shastri with voters lists at Prakash Nagar.
8. Mangat Ram Singal, Member of Municipal Corporation (Ward No. 32) was reportedly with Dharam Das Shastri and Mahendra at Prakash Nagar.
9. Dr. Ashok Kumar, Member of Municipal Corporation, Kalyanpuri. Reportedly held a meeting in Kalyanpuri, following which violence broke out immediately. According to many eye witnesses he led mobs which indulged in loot, murder, arson and rape.
10. Sukhan Lal Sood, Metropolitan Councillor. According to eye witnesses was seen leading mobs, which indulged in loot, murder, arson and rape. He had come with petrol and serial lists and addressess of Sikhs in the locality. The women refugees, recognized him and drove him out.
11. Jagdish Chander Tokas, Member of Municipal Corporation Munirka (Ward No. 14) reportedly led a mob to R.K. Puram Sector IV and V.
12. Ishwar Singh, Member, Municipal Corporation, Mangolpuri (Ward No. 37). Allegedly led the mobs that indulged in looting, burning, rape and murder in Mangolpuri area.
13. Balwant Khokhar, Youth Congress-I Leader, Delhi, Identified as one of the persons responsible for instigating looting and arson in Palam Colony area.
14. Faiz Mohammad, Youth Congress-I Leader, Delhi, named by refugees in Shakurpur camp and in Mangolpuri for being a part of the mob indulging in looting, arson and murder.
15. Ratan, Youth Congress-I Leader, Delhi, named as having taken part in violence and looting in Palam Colony area.
16. Satbir Singh, Youth Congress-I. He allegedly brought bus loads of people from Ber Sarai to Sri Guru Harkrishan Public School (Munirka). They burnt school buses and parts of the school building. He was reportedly involved in looting and beating of Sikhs which carried on throughout the night on November 1.
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ADMIN BAN HIM PLEASE
ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ । ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ । ।
Let him write he is a perfect example of Radical Punjabi Hindu thats how these people are . He will continue to get answer in the language he understand.
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sunn oye g*ndu jat, Nirankaris had every right to follow their faith the way they wanted. Taksali AKJ attack on them was a gross violation of human rights made worse by governments of the day which capitulated in face of the above-mentioned taksali violence. if harbans Khanna was making statements in support of the Niranakris' rights, i would commend that guy. if he was killed for defending Nirankaris rights, I would call him a martyr.
if anyone closed any dera (rohtak, Amritsar japan where ever) forcibly, that should be condemned. Kabir Panthis, Nirankaris, Dera sacha sauda...everyone has right to follow their faith. Article 25 of the Indian Constitution ensures 'Freedom of conscience and free profession, practice and propagation of religion' Article 25.1 states:
- Subject to public order, morality and health and to the other provisions of this Part, all persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practice and propagate religion.
what Taksalis of yore and various Sikh radicals of today are doing is violating others Constitutional rights.
If insuting Sikh Gurus is their path then we will challenge these fake Nirankaris and regarding ur constitution we know what it is . As per it Sikhs are Hindus and God knows what Hinduism is . Who founded it , when it was founded ? Jis bache nu apne pao da pata ne hunda onu Harami kehnde ne te jede koum nu eh ne pata ke ona da dharam kad shuru hoya te kine shuru kiti onu ke kehna chahida ?
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Tch Tch bechara paki. so desperate to somehow justify decade and a half of the madness let loose by some of his fanatic co-religionists which led to the murders of tens of 1000s. I may not believe in nirankaris or any other dera but what was wrong in opening Nirankari deras? why nirankaris (and now dera sacha sauda) followers were hounded by taksali-AkJ thugs? They did not have right to follow a faith they liked?
This intolerant khali is desperate to justify AKJ/taksali violence and even worse shift the blame on Hindus.
local hindus cigarettes... how deceitful this person is. concocting stories of Hindu extremism while ignoring 100 of books which talk about 'sikh extremism'.
tain ki dard na aaya?
Listen you Maha Fudu Chabal Bahman , i have already given answerrs on Sikh - Nirankari issue and if dont remember then its ur problem . Once Punjab government decided to closed Nirankari Deras you Lala Shoor veer named Harban Khanna started making statement like we will open Nirankari deras just becasue of that idiot Hindu - Sikh issue arises . Last year in Rohtak Hindu started protesting against Kabir Panthi deras and they also have the Dera head arrested but we Sikhs doesn't comes out making statement that we help dera head we will give him money to set up deras in other parts of Haryana aur Punjab . But you Khanna did opposite.
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I haven't seen it on the net.
An absolutley essential read, is "Politics of violence" by Inderjit Singh Jaijee.
It is a must read if you want to really understand what happened in Panjab during the 80s and 90s.
Thanks . Is there any book which specifically talks about Hindu extremism in Punjab ? We have heard incidents of Hindu mob violence in Amritsar and Patiala , how Harbans Lal Khanna started talking about opening Nirankari Deras after 1978 clashed , Hindus celebrating after Operation Blue etc . There were also incidents when Sikhs started going to Darbar Sahb after operation blue star , local Hindu shopkeepers used to throw ciggirates packet above their head to other hindu by saying try this this is new brand called Bhindranwala.
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Apne ghatia jaal ch aap hee fuss reha hain nafrat de pujari.
charan pahul ik Hindu reet hai. ik hor reason de ditta ke Guru saheban Hindu kyon sigge.
Tu jamaa he fudu haiga . Charan pahul Hindu reet odo hundi jad koi ved upnishad ya kise hor Hindu granth da use hunda . Tahda vas challe te tusi Chritian Baptism nu ve Hindu reet keh deyo . Bada he ganda banda haiga . Tere harkata to lagda tu adda Bahman te adda Baaniya haiga do gande soch aale loka da mix breed pukka anti sikh.
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"our gurdwaras"
i would not go to any such place which is reserved for members of a cult, not open to the others.
as far as i know, hindus in western countries usually are in white collar jobs. jats on the other hand, not that i have anything against such jobs, are in mostly menial jobs like driving cleaning security guards kitchen hands etc. if a white collar person is going to a particular shrine, it has got to with more than "free food". 2-3 dollars di khatir aine ghatia bandian de moonh kaun lagda
you should write a large notice in front of YOUR gurdwara that Hindus are not welcome. ainee ghatia thinking wale bande to ki umeed aa, ae te 9 gurus nu vi gallan kadd ke wapis modd de gurdware ton. Bhakt, Bhatt...onna da ki haal karoo aa Sikh ISIS janwar, parmatma janda.
Asi gareeb te majbur bandya nu rotia jarur khavange par dhoke baaz , kahtiya soch aaleya nu nahi . 9 Guru ? Sahda Koi Guru Hindu nahi c Guru Nanak sahib g de time ch ve amrit shakaya janda c jinu charan pahul kehnde c onu laen to baad banda Sikh hunda c .
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Saray Jatt ta terrorist honde.
Ajj keri gotr tou chittar te mithaiee khanee, bahman sahib ji?
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Lokee ta kehnday c k bahman bheekh tay rehnde.
Par tussi salay rajj de née.
Chamar di chappal vi paygi.
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Always remember Hindu Putram kise ka naa Mitram , eh log apne pao de ve sakke ne hunde . Dont have any link with them . Sikh livings abroad are lucky that we dont have to deal with them daily . Dont have any link with Punjabi Hindus dont invite them to your Houses and dont go their houses .
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Loser pashoo, read this news about the plight of jattis in UK (resorting to prostitution to survive):
Let me tell you about the situation of Hindu punjabis and Gujjus in Australia . In Melbourne these Hindu cowards can be seen asking Sikhs to help them in Job and for Houses . In weekends they will come in our Gurdwaras just to eat free food . Saaleyo tahde loka da koi deen iman haiga ke ne haiga ? Tusi har mulk ch kanjar he rehna hai .
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Amarjit Kaurs book, "Dawn after Darkness" or something similiar is a good book.
tavleen singh and mark tully are untrustable, khushwant too egotistical and i cant remember anything by the other authors off the top of my head at the moment.
But you have to look at the actions of the indian govt after brahma chellany issued a news article on bluestar, charging him with "waging war against the state" and "sedition", and think whether any other authors would have have the guts to tell the truth.
Ranbir Singh has done an exellent book "Sant Jarnail Singh's life and martyrdom", I believe a pdf is available online.
Joyce Pettigrew wrote several excellent books on the Panjab issue. One of them is called"The Sikhs of the Panjab".
Gurmit Singh has written a good book "History of Sikh struggles!.
Me Judice by Kapur Singh is a book I would recommend as well.
Can you provide link for Amarjit Kaurs book, "Dawn after Darkness"
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I consider this as an outburst due to the happenings during that period ..whatever took place during that time made a rift in the hearts of many ...post this if one hears his lectures Sant Maskeen did not continue it ..so please do not make this as some kind of a foundation for hatred...
Sher if you read the demands made during those times ..you will feel awkward as to why were they not met ..like naming trains and railway stations ..or banning tobacco alcohol and other drugs in the surrounding area of the religious places ..
Sher knows that Punjabi Hindus oppose it that's why they were not met . But why did they oppose it ?
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Bhagat Singh, read my post again. I had great esteem for Maskeen. I considered him to be have a balanced perspective but what he is saying in this video is, if nothing else, highly misinformed. I felt disappointed as this man has, in spite of his study of Sikh scriptures for so long (b 1934, video mostly likely made in 1987) and yet indulged in despicable 'us vs them'/ours vs theirs' randi rona. considering Hindus and Sikhs to be TOTALLY separate religions/communities was the first flaw i noticed in his rant.
He talks about 40 years of vadikyan (atrocities) in the video. What vadikyan he is talking about in 1987, not naming trains after Sikh pilgrimage places?!!
He names trains named after 'Hindu' pilgrimage places to prove his petty point and claims "we never objected to those names". i find such 'magnanimity' idiotic. he finds the requirement to hand over your kirpan to aircraft crew as a vadiki!
india must be the only country where carrying of weapon by a miniscule minority community has been guaranteed by the Constitution which Maskeen and other such semi-literate gyanis would never acknowledge.
India must be the only country where members of such miniscule minority have been elevated to every top position. ironically, assuming Maskeen gave this provocative speech in 1987 - the President of India at that time was G Zail Singh.
20-25 % of the army personnel come from Sikh community - maybe he considered that a vadiki too.
Punjab had the highest per capita income in 1987 - definitely a vadiki.
All of Punjab villages/cities got electricity in 1973 in a country where 25% of indian population is yet to get access to power four decades later - vadiki
you (2 % of population) want treated as equal to the 82 % of population but only in the fields where you think your community has not got everything it demanded.
Did he want army recruitment to be done according to Sikh population percentage? he was definitely happy with this vadiki on other communities.
Also, he had no shame or sympathy for atrocities being committed by his co-religionists on innocents in Punjab at that time? not one word for those vadikis?
Here comes dirty mindset of 82% . All should be treated equally what ever their number are.
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where did you check the price online?
I recommended this to my cousin in India and as per him book is very expensive in amazon india.
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i am really disappointed to note that maskeen had such a petty mind. one of the best known name in Sikh spirituality whining about train names and accusing whole community (Hindus) of being jealous, inolerant...and what not. How mean is that.
Jehde gaddi da naam Golden temple te nahin rakh sakde o golden temple nu kiddan seh sakde aa?
Sick!!
Probably he was too frightened because of terror movement in punjab (he talks about 'atrocities' in the last 40 years ...1987).
Video is from 80's and Sant ji real question why Sikhs have to come out on roads for their demands . Indian government and Punjabi Hindus were deliberately trying to stop naming trains on Sikh shrines .
Check out India missile and armour names , Brahmos, Trishul, Agni varaj etc
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Good you respect Brahma for his courage and uprightness. But do you respect his writings too? No where this 'Bahman' has endoresed the fanatical views of JSB and terror spread by his followers. In fact in one of the books (Securing India's Future in the New Millennium), it is written (page 296): "...the government watched while Bhindranwale, a minor religious figure, became the leader of a large propertion of disaffected Sikhs. It allowed him to violate the law as he smuggled arms and explosives into the golden temple in Amritsar. Finally, the government had to use the army to storm the temple. This contributed much towards consolidating and expanding the terrorist movement in Punjab".
Topic is regarding Books if you want to share write it and for your favourite topic Bhindranwale this and that start some new topic . DONT SPOIL THIS TOPIC you have already made this forum as Hindu-Sikh fight forum . I used to come here to learn something but after reading your hated comments i was force to reply . Again if you want to reply me write somewhere else . I want to keep this clean .
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fighting for faith and nation by cynthia mahmood i heard is also a good book I'm actually planning on picking it up this week.
Very expensive.
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Doubt over Hindus' killings by Bhindran/Khali terrorists... outrageous denial.
The terrorist squads, their coordination (sacrilegiously called 'Panthic') committees were used to claim the massacres (including Air India bombing). scores of Bhindran speeches have been asking sikh youth to buy illegal revolvers..kill behead anyone whom he saw as anti-Sikh. he expressed glee over the killing of Hindus, he threatened to kill 5,000 Hindus in one hour, he asked Hindus to leave Punjab. he boasted about killing and dismembering the body of the lady (Baljit kaur if my memory serves me right) right inside harmandir sahib complex who,acc to his one-man kangaroo court, killed his known hit man surinder sodhi). The SGPC man who "confessed" of being a party to Sodhi killing was also killed in the temple complex and so was DIG Atwal.
Too easy to blame khali cowardice on cats and agencies but hard to explain the existence of scores of terrorist organisations - some of which have even been banned by the western countries. 100s of these videos lauding AK 47 wale and Bullet wale who were eventually routed by the Punjab Police. 100s of books written about the atrocities committed by the khali/Bhindran terrorists.
Thodi sharam kar le oye Amar Ali aina jhooth bol ke, ainna zulm kar ke kithe janna toon.
the fanatic also justifies killing of RSS workers and others. How low Khaliban discourse can get! what credibility these
Zulm ? 6 month de bache jinda saad dene , Hindua nu khus karan vaaste bekasur munde maar te , Sikha de kudiya diya izzata lutiya , nakli case paa ke kinne munde jail ch paa te , ennu kehnde ne zulm . Chovi ghante Bhindra aale de naa lae ke randi rouna paan naal sach ne lukda . Did Hindu women were touched during terrorism days ? How many Hindu temples were burnt down ? Hindu mob in Amritsar and Patiala attcked Sikhs where as no mob attack on Hindus happened even in villages were Hindus are tiny minority . Why Hindus opposed Holy status to Amritsar ?
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Akal Takht Express
2317/ 2318 Sealdah – Amritsar (ER Sealdah division)
The Akal Takht (Akal: Timeless One and Takht: Throne in Persian). Literally means “Seat (Throne) of the Timeless One (God)”. The Akal Takht was begun by the sixth Sikh Guru, Guru Har Gobind as a symbol for political sovereignty of Sikhs, and is one of the five seats of temporal physical religious authority of the Sikhs. It is located in the Harmandir Sahib (Golden Temple) complex in Amritsar.
Golden Temple Mail
2903/ 2904 Mumbai Central – Amritsar (WR Mumbai division)
Harmandir Sahib, informally referred to as The Golden Temple or Temple of God, is culturally the most significant place of worship of the Sikhs and one of the oldest Sikh gurdwaras. It is located in the city of Amritsar, which was established by Guru Ram Das Ji, the fourth guru of the Sikhs, and is, also due to the shrine, known as Guru Di Nagri meaning city of the Guru.
Hemkunt Express
4609/ 4610 Rishikesh – Jammu Tawi (NR Firozpur division)
Hemkund or Hemkunt Sahib, with a setting of a glacial lake surrounded by seven peaks, is a popular pilgrimage site for Sikhs. It is located at an elevation of over 15,200 ft (4,600 m) in the state of Uttaranchal and is accessible only by foot from Govindghat on the Rishikesh – Badrinath highway. It is most known for a gurudwara, known as Hemkunt Sahib, associated with the tenth Sikh guru, Guru Gobind Singh, and is one of the most sacred of Sikh shrines. The lake also has a Lakshmana temple built on its shores. Hemkund is a Sanskrit name derived from Hem – Snow & Kund – Bowl, so it means “Bowl of Snow”.
Jallianwala Bagh Express
8103/ 8104 Tatanagar – Amritsar (SER Chakradharpur division)
Jallianwala Bagh is a public garden in Amritsar, and houses a memorial of national importance, established in 1951 to commemorate the murder of peaceful celebrators on the occasion of the Punjabi New Year, Baisakhi on 13th April, 1919 in the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre.
Would you like to share the dates when these all were started ? I think most of them started under Atal Bihari Vajpayee government whom Akalis were giving support ?
November 84 World Awareness Initiative
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Nobody could have imagined the wrath and anger that October 31 brought with it. Alok Tomar was going to watch a movie in now defunct Chanakya theatre when, as a routine habit of a crime reporter, he called the police control room and was informed that PM Indira Gandhi had been shot dead by her Sikh guards at PM’s official residence at Safdarjang. He could not digest the idea of her being hit by 38 bullets.
He hired a taxi to AIIMS hospital and managed to see Mrs Gandhi at the 7th floor, lying lifeless. Many of the cabinet members were waiting in the conference hall of AIIMS. Rajiv Gandhi flew back from Orissa. Some of the prominent ministers urged him to take oath immediately but he insisted that his first priority was his mother who was dead. Alok then called Prabhash Joshi, his editor, and dictated to the desk the whole scenario over phone
He even witnessed the first death in the riots at around 4 pm on October 31 when, near the INA market, a sardar was brutally battered with bricks. Later in the day, he filed his story. He recalled the first lines of his report that said- “Aaj do hathyaen hui hai- ek Indira ki aur doosri manushya ke manushya par vishwas ki” (Today, two deaths have occurred- one of Indira and the other of trust in humans)
By November 1, the situation had worsened. While walking to his office, he was amazed to find all the police posts closed and locked. Trilokpuri, especially block 32, was badly hit. The second death occurred at 10:20 am when an elderly sardar was thrashed and killed using a burning tyre that was thrust around his neck. When he questioned Nikhil Kumar (the then additional commissioner of Delhi Police and now Governor of Nagaland), he answered that Hindus are just burning garbage and how could police stop the madding crowd?
Rahul Bedi of the Indian Express went with him to Home Minsiter Narsimha Rao’s place and both, tired and agitated, blamed him for the situation. Rao, however, replied that the Army had been called in. Mundka, Nandgoi, Shahdara and Trans-Yamuna areas were wrecked. Kakanagar, Sarojini Nagar, Palam were the other residential areas that were scarred. More than 300-400 bodies were seen by Rahul and Alok. The toll had passed 3000 in a span of 4 days. Because Indian Express group was pro-victims, Hindu mobs thrashed several of its employees, including Alok.
Later, several committees were set up where he recorded his statements; but all the enquiries were in vain. He also attended the cremation of Indira Gandhi where Rajiv Gandhi’s stoic and numb presence was really unbearable. Amitabh Bachchan, who had cordial relations with the Gandhi family then, was also present there.
Recalling the horror of those sleepless nights, he said that he and his team hoped against hope that what they had been doing would prevent a rise in casualties but unfortunately it was not enough. To quote Rao, “it was madness” but Alok saw a well-defined method in it. A bloody method!
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