chatanga

Drawof , i may not have used the exact words that i needed to , but im sure that you get my point.

"Badal pointed out that these heroes had made great sacrifices for the whole country. But unfortunately it was being made out as if they belonged to Punjab only..."

the " indians" have trouble accpeting the Guru Teg Bahadur became shaheed to save the Hindus from Aurangzeb, and have been teaching since the 1950s that Guru Ji was a rebel who was exeucted by aurangzeb. What doz Babal expect from these people that they dont know about Bhai Ram Singh's kurbani and of all the Sikhs kurbani in ending the raaj? As far as they are concerned it was mahatma and nehru who gave the most sacrifice.

Reminds me of a line by Sant Jarnail Singh of Bhindran" why do we (sikhs) have to give a glass of blood to recieve a drop of water?"

yes i can see the letters a l i in it now but the calligraphy confused me.

javanmard = wha duz tha symbol mean? i can make out the letters g l e or gali-e. plz explain.

i wish to learn raag kirtan.

Sorry. should have added this as well.

'This institution [the S.G.P.C.] is not accepted by all Sikhs, be it elected by votes, or be it established by force, or be it established in law so as now it is forced upon us. The Shromani Panth Budha Dal is defending itself. It keeps it’s distinctive traditions. These false institutions [s.G.P.C.] will one day vanish. They [the Nihangs] will guard the true traditions of Guru Nanak Dev and Guru Gobind Singh. The true traditions will be re-established again. These peoples [s.G.P.C.] Panth will die out.’

(Nihang Baba Udey Singh, transcript of interview, 1st March 2001)

chatanga

Found this paragarph in an article from this website in 2005. Further to what i stated in one of my ealrlier posts about Budha Dal and sgpc , i want to add this :

The Akali Nihang Singh Khalsa Panth is not, and will never be involved with the SGPC. The reason simply is that, The panth does not even acknowledge their existence. How can the SGPC be a "traditional" group following puratan marayada when they simply came into existence post British Rule. It can be very simply proven to someone that the SGPC is a modern group which is now present because of the British Raj. The SGPC's name in itself has a 'angrez' word in it: shromani gurudwara parbhandak COMMITEE. The Impostors took control in 1922.

As time progressed, the extreme Tat Khalsa Singh Sabhias, founded by one 'Babu' Teja Singh of Bhasaur village, Ludhiana District, Punjab, even began to dress up as an Akali Nihang. These individuals initiated new Khalsa in their own self-concocted and delusioned manner. Teja Singh 'Bhasauria', eventually became labeled as an 'apostate' by the mainstream Sikh faith for a variety of actions he later carried out.

Tell us more about the origins of this Granth

good joke dynamic

What are you an Ustad of Javan Mard?

What are you an Ustad of?

Thats a very interesting post javanmard, and one can look at the consequnces of such as to how inept the sgpc are in these times. The election thing has turned rotten.

However Baba Ji did ultimately present himself at the Akal Bunga many years later. Why the change of stance I dont know. DOes anyone else know? Late last year the Secretary of Budha Dal Baba Uday Singh was hugging Avtar Singh Makar after some agreeement between the two parties. So on one hand they use words of contempt for the sgpc and on the other are hugging them.

Im not sure where you got this idea that im a katha vachak, cos i deffo am not.

have you listened to the katha which i have mentioned earlier?

If so what do youthink that Baba Santa Singh Ji's point is?

So are the Udasi who are shaved head and face able to claim thier are paramhans?

I have listend to Baba Santa Singh Ji's katha of "Guru Nanak Aap Parmeshwar..." from Sri Sarbloh Granth and in that Baba Ji talks about paramhans. Nowwhen i have darshan of Sant Ishwar Das' ashram in Jalandhar, one of the sewaks there told me there were 4 types of udasi namely :

1. kesa dhari

2. jatta dhari

3. paramhans

4. sorry i have forgot this one.

Paramhans he explained to me was those saints who kept their head clean shaved or bald or also shaved thier faces, like the budhist monks you see these days. I am sure you may have seen this udasi's.

However Baba Ji talks about paramhans thus:

One day a Sikh asked Guru Amardas , who is Paramhans? I have heard of hans which eats pearls, but not paramhans...

Guru Ji replied " O Sikh all you who repeat the name of the lord are Param Hans, just as thehans takes pearls for sustenance you take the pearls of the Lord's name. You are all Paramhans. These days Paramhan are callled those who remove the hair from thier face and head. They by removeing their hair have become incomplete, They are not Paramhans who are "ghorn-morn".

Also Baba Ji talksabout the other panth in particualr Jain , and brifly on others. He talks about whosever gain a bit of knoeledge started his own sect. Please listen to this and give your views. I got the feeling that Baba Ji's views were that these panths gave nothing or little to bring the world to true Dharma. Am I wrong?

chatanga

The name sounds quite amusing as well.

Whatever Baba Ji is holding has been taken out of the frames which the other nihang SIngh is holding. it looks like gurmikhi writing maybe its a hukumanama which Budha Dal have preserved. Any ideas? The other Singh may be Baba Bir Bikramjit Singh, one of Baba Ji's closest confidantes.

This sarbat khalsa was condemned by the sgpc and most other panthic jathas. Not even all the nihang singh came to this meeting , most abstainees were from tarna dal and some from budha dal. after this meeting the sgpc issued notices against some other saints and such who were there. Some of them issued apologies for their presence, and some did not. However this meeting only furthered the already growing aleniatenaion between Baba Ji and the SIkhs in general.

It was further reported that Baba Ji declared himself above the Akal Takhat and that its hukumnanas were not binding on him. How much truth there is in this i dont know.

The sgpc held a converntion a month later and condemed the activites of Baba Santa sSingh.Earlier they issued a hukanama declaring no one should perform this sewa at the behest of the govt. But Santa Singh was adamant that he will do it.

The rest i hope you already know.

chatanga

The link to the chatka has been taken down. anyonwe know where i can see this? Or does any Sikh site have a jhatka video in it?

chatanga

I didnt know that ragees are not pleasing to Akal. However a ragi is one who is able to produce raags on an instrument, hopefully I say in the measure of raags that are used in the Guru Granth Sahib. Raag iskirtan terms can also mean mood. to quote Professeor Surinder Singh of Akal Academy.

Mayber its somethingnwithin only their own samprdaye such as namdharis wearing only white, or the nirmalas wearing peach?

The first post i submuitted was actually from the neeldhari website. It was just to provide some information on them . I have heard of them a few years ago, but they remian relatively unknown to the SIkhs in general. The first i heard of them actually was a split between themselves and naamdharis, again on what point this split occured i dont know.

I thought maybe some people on this forum would have more answers.

I can say the same about Jeses being false. dont make no dfirence. however the lies of Guru Jee giving gurgaddi to Bhai Balak Singh is too big a lie to ignore.

chatanga dude

again you have nothing to say concerning the topic, but rubbish about me.

I can say the same about Jeses being false. dont make no dfirence. however the lies of Guru Jee giving gurgaddi to Bhai Balak Singh is too big a lie to ignore.

chatanga dude

read your own posts and tell me where you afford the title of Guru to Guru Granth. Also on namdhairs world it duznt afford the title of Guru to Guru Garnth Sahib but refers to Guru ji as Granth Sahib only.

poor chatanga dude