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  3. Akal Murat?!

    in Gurbani | Gurmat | Spiritual Poetry and Discussions

    Posted

    Sat Sri Akal:

    "An argument often used by Muslims to refute Sikhism is; How is God timeless, yet part of His creation at the same time? I have been asked, how is God able to watch over His creation and run everything according to His will when he is part of his 'imperfect' creation, whilst being perfect Himself. "

    Are the Muslims you speak to the Almighty? If not, then how could they have full understanding of the Almighty?

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  12. Message to MI. RE: String theory.

    in Sikhi | Questions and Answers

    Posted

    Sat Sri Akal:

    Science is rediculously uncertain. Balls yesterday, strings today, bozes tommorrow. It is very elegant, it all adds up, but there isn't a lick of evidence behind it. Einstein's word used to be stone and none could refute it. Now, they want to tear his words apart. Few decades from now, someone might rip string theory another strand...

    Give it time, it may be proven to be true. But it could also just be "fancy math" and not mean a darn thing.

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  13. Dam Dami Taksal

    in Sikh Sampardaaye Section

    Posted

    Sat Sri Akal:

    Since when is it the proper behavior of a Sikh to insult another Sikh?

    --------------------------Edited: Rest of the Post--------------------------------

    Mod's Note: Please control your anger. Read the post carefully.

    ...is that a threat? I guess this would be expected from a bunch of fanatics. Is it any surprise that people have started to draw parallels between Sikhs and militant terrorists such as Al'Quaeda when we see such attitudes on internet forums? Please be sensible.

    He is not calling 84 shaheeds fanatics here. He is calling people on internet forums.

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  15. Dam Dami Taksal

    in Sikh Sampardaaye Section

    Posted

    Sat Sri Akal:

    Oh, you want lineages as evidence of sanctity and respect? Ok, here are some worthy of real "respect":

    What about the son of Guru Nanak Sahib, Lakhmi Das?

    What about Ram Rai?

    What about Dhirmal?

    What about Minas, Masands...were they not the desendents of those very people that the Gurus blessed?

    Lineage is NOTHING. What is important is that one live up to the standards of their task/identity/duty. What good is being the son of a Gursikh if if the son is a drunk womanizer who robs people?

    So if organizations think that being "old is gold" and expect royal treatment just because they have been around longer than others, expect a rude shock...

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  16. Sikhism and aliens

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Sat Sri Akal:

    Next two words Amardeep Singh Ji are "giaa havaaee", which mean they (Guru Nanak Sahib and Pir Sahib's son) went airborne.

    I think Bachittar Natak explains this, Chamkila Sahib, in the desciption of Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib:

    (http://www.sikhs.org/transl9.htm)

    To protect the holy, he offered all he had.,

    And lo, he offered his head, but uttered not a sigh of regret. (13)

    He suffered martyrdom for the sake of Religion.

    His head he gave, but not his honour.

    God’s men are, indeed ashamed to act

    Like showmen and perform tricks! (14)

    Having broken the (body’s) earthen pitcher

    On the head of the king of Delhi,

    He departed to the world of God.

    The powerful do not do tricks to amuse, impress or scare. But no mention is made that the powerful never use their power.

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  17. How to tackle this question ?

    in Anti-Sikh Propaganda

    Posted

    Sat Sri Akal:

    Eh? What happened to Tim McVeigh? Old Anglo-Saxon Christian took out a building...

    Then you got Israel President, who goes around doing helicopter attacks on Palestine...

    Then you got the Chinese who kill Tibetans...

    Etc...Etc...Etc...

    Essentially, every nation has produced some not-so-nice people. Just that the person who is asking the question forgets their peeps probably did something bad too.

    P.S. Mounted Police released a statement back in the day that said that if you want to know who blew up Air India plane, go look in Indian Embassy.

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  21. A Written piece from Hinduunity.org: YOUR THOUGHTS

    in Anti-Sikh Propaganda

    Posted

    Sat Sri Akal:

    As per Sumer Chauhan's article...

    "The Shri Guru Granth Sahib is the holy book of the Sikh people. It is divided into ten granths"

    Eh? It is divided into ten Granths??? Yeah, real educated.

    "Hargobind fortified Amritsar and built the Akal Takht, the throne of God, opposite Harmandir."

    That's GURU HARGOBIND SAHIB!!! No Sikh would ever show such disrespect towards the Gurus.

    "If the Guru Granth Sahib were to be examined, there is no difference between Hinduism and Sikhism because the Granth is based on the Hindu scriptures and beliefs. "

    Really...which one??? I can't find which Hindu granth the Guru Granth Sahib is based on can you?

    "An authority on modern Sikhism, Dr. Gopal Singh, indicated in his translation of Shri Guru Granth Sahib that the worship of Rama and Krishna is found in the Granth."

    Ok...Sumer does not know the difference between Ram Chandra and the ever-present Almighty. Raam, I believe, is a word that means that which is everywhere. It is an attribute, not a reference to Ram Chandra.

    "Individuals such as Bhai Kahn Singh are viewed as renegades within the Panth (Faith) and they have damaged the essential Sikh identity held by the Gurus and the martyrs. "

    Renegade? I thought he was considered a scholar...must be the RSS who considers him a renagade...ruined their plans with "Hum Hindu Nahin"...hehehe.

    "McLeod: "Who is a Sikh?" "

    Sure...reference the former Christian missionary who was HIRED by the proto-RSS to mis-represent the Sikhs...yeah...

    References to Guru Gobind Singh Sahib's lineage demarkated in the Bachittar Natak is relied upon heavily.

    Uh...Lord Rama (because his Rehat instructed him to do so) shot a lower caste beacuse he was reading a Hindu religious text under the command of a Brahmin. Guru Gobind Singh gave the same low castes the status of Kings and declared humanity equal. You think genetics had something to do with this???

    "yet the Gurus, along with Guru Gobind Singh, stood firmly within the Hindu viewpoint."

    Yeah, the Guru Granth Sahib really regards Brahmins with really high regard. Just read Asa Di Vaar.

    "In the entire Guru Granth Sahib, the Vedas are respected and referred to as sacred. "

    Where???????

    "It is a documented fact that Guru Nanak worshipped Krishna. Guru Nanak also recited the famous aarti (song of worship) of Ek Omkar which he composed in praise of Lord Jaganath of Puri. He also went on pilgrimage to Badri Nath which is sacred to Hindus. Guru Tegh Bahadur, tn pilgrimage to Jwalamukhi in Kangra. Guru Gobind Singh worshipped Durga and fought the mughals to free Ayodhya Masjid (the controversial mosque of Ayodhya). Guru Ramdas wore a Vaishnav tilak on his forehead. "

    WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There aren't enough four-lettered curses in the word to express my feelings. Nonsense...

    "The Kirpan (dagger) is also adopted from the martial tradition of the Rajputs carrying the Katar. The turban is a common headdress of the Hindu people of India and is not exclusively Sikh. The concept of uncut hair was introduced by the Tenth Guru and not before. "

    Back in the day, weaponry was carried by Muslims too. The Dastaar was also worn by the Muslims. The concept of uncut hair was there from the first Guru (was Guru Nanak Sahib a mona??? HA!!!).

    "Hari Singh Nalwa, the General of Maharajah Ranjit Singh was also a worshipper of Baba Balak Nath and Durga. "

    Where is that written? Or are we just making up history, like all Indian textbooks. What's next...calling Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib a terrorist because he resisted the Mughal Regime???!!!

    "The royal families of Faridkot, Nabha, and Patiala are all of Sikh nobility. They all engaged Brahmin priests and Hindu temples were built for family use. Maharajah Pupinder Singh offered bali (sacrifice) of a waterbuffalo to the temple of Kali in Patiala which he built. Every year the Maharajah of Patiala donates a nose ring and gold bracelet to the River Sarsa which is directed by the Brahmin priests and in accordance to Hindu traditions. "

    Who stated that this was sanctioned Sikh behavior?

    Real thoroughly researched article... :roll: :LOL:

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  22. A Written piece from Hinduunity.org: YOUR THOUGHTS

    in Anti-Sikh Propaganda

    Posted

    Sat Sri Akal:

    Lalleshavri, your hatred for Sikhs who are associated with AKJ is quite annoying. They are Sikhs...they take amrit from the Panj Pyare, much like your beloved Nihungs.

    Do you think Guru Sahib would commend you for this behavior?

    Anyways...

    This point has been brought up by you before...that AKJ is allied with RSS. First, read the article. The RSS would have to treat the Sikhs as a separate religion, preach Sikhism (as a separate religion), stop preaching terrorist Hinduism, and become Sikhs and come under the authority of the Akal Thakat.

    You think RSS is willing to do that? Carefully look at what is being said...

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  23. Creation of the Khalsa

    in Amrit | Baptism in Sikhi

    Posted

    Sat Sri Akal:

    Another version:

    ____________________________________________________________

    Vaaheguroo jee kaa Khaalsaa. Vaaheguroo jee kee Fateh.

    Below is the version which "Abu-ul-Turani" has narrated in his book or

    memoirs presumed to be held in the archives of the Aligarh University. It is

    a record of accounts that are supposedly eye-witnessed by "Abu-ul-Turani",

    who was under the employment of Emperor Aurangzeb. The Emperor had

    instructed him to keep a watchful eye on Guru Sahib and act as the Emperor's

    informer to keep him informed of all the activities and movements of Guru

    Sahib.

    (Reported to be info from a booklet printed and distributed by Baba Khem Singh jee of Dera Baba Rumee Wala, Bhuchae Kalan , Bathinda. Panjab on Vaisakhi 1998.)

    ---

    "The day Guru Gobind Singh prepared the nectar at 'Anandpur' the

    congregation was estimated to around thirty five to forty thousand sikhs who

    had come from far and wide. I had seen the grandeur of the 'Mughal Darbars'

    but this 'Guru's Darbar' had a charm of its own - simply majestic and beyond

    comparison.

    The Guru came on the stage and after drawing his sword demanded a 'head'

    from the 'Sangat' present. This awesome call from the Guru sent a shiver to

    spines of the sikhs present in the congregation. Amidst all this a brave

    person emerged from the crowd and with his clasped hands humbly presented

    himself to the Guru. The Guru, with one stroke if his sword, beheaded the

    sikh in front of all the stunned 'sangat', and again asked for another

    'head'. Another person who came on the stage was similarly beheaded. The

    Guru made the eerie call again and simultaneously three devout sikhs came on

    the stage and met the same fate under the merciless sword of the Guru. The

    stage was a ghastly sight with the torsos and heads of the five drenched in

    pools of blood. All the trace of blood diminished after the Guru cleaned it

    with water. The Guru then medically joined each head on a different body and

    thereafter covered them with white sheets.

    He then ordered a stone urn and on top of it he put an iron pot in which he

    added some water. He put his sword in it and started moving it, while

    chanting some words. He took some time and during this period some woman

    from the Guru's household came and put something in the pot. The nectar

    (Abe-Hayat) was now ready. The Guru then removed the white sheets from one

    body and poured the nectar into the dead man's mouth, on the hair and on the

    body. While he was performing this ritual he kept on pronouncing "Waheguru

    ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh"( The Khalsa belongs to the Almighty and

    to the Almighty is the victory ). To the amazement of the 'sangat', the

    person sat up and loudly chanted "Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki

    Fateh".

    The whole congregation was aghast and taken aback by this miracle. The Guru

    did the same to the rest of the four bodies and they also like their

    counterpart rose up with shouts of "Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki

    Fateh". The Guru then took these five sikhs into a tent and after some time

    they emerged wearing new white clothes. The Guru then kneeled down in front

    of them and asked them to give him the life giving nectar. Obligingly they

    obeyed and baptized the Guru .

    The Guru named them Daya Singh, Dharam Singh, Himmat Singh, Mohkam Singh and

    Sahib Singh and consequently changed his name from Gobind Rai to Gobind

    Singh. What happened in front of my eyes completely entranced me, and my

    heart longed to be in the Guru's eternal feet. With a lump in my throat, I

    approached the Guru and begged him to baptize me and take me in his abode.

    The Guru smiled and baptized me and named me 'Ajmer Singh'. Thus with the

    Guru's blessing I attained absolute bliss. This was the last report I sent

    to Aurangzeb in which I mentioned that the Guru was not an ordinary person

    but was 'Allah' Himself. Furthermore I warned the Emperor that his enmity

    towards the Guru will lead to the downfall and destruction of the Mughal

    Empire."

    ----

    Vaaheguroo jee kaa Khaalsaa. Vaaheguroo jee kee Fateh.

    (Bhai Vir Singh mentions Abu Tarani in his writings of "Dasmesh Chamatkaar". Sant Kartar Singh of Taksaal also mentions that this has been witnessed bhai charan Singh Bhorshee in the book at "Aleegarr Muslim VihavVadiala" and according to Giani Dalip Singh of Komal Dhnaula the writings can be found at the Aligarh Muslim University.)

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  25. Question on suraj and panth parkash granths??

    in Sikhi | Questions and Answers

    Posted

    Sat Sri Akal:

    1) Suraj Parkash Granth aka. Gur Partap Suraj Granth - composition of Bhai Santokh Singh Sahib which dictates the oral history of the Sikhs. Bhai Santokh Singh was employed by a Sikh Raja as the Court Poet. The Raja instructed Bhai Santokh Singh to compose a volume of Sikh history as none existed.

    2)Panth Parkash - composition of Giani Gian Singh about history of Sikhism Guru Gobind Singh and afterwards. This Granth is cited by Namdharis as the evidence of the Gurgaddi being transferred to Baba Balak Singh.

    3)Guru Panth Parkash - a composition by Rattan Singh "Bhangoo".

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