Kharag Singh

amardeep paji, muslims believe that the Prophet was illiterate and this was an imperative factor in keeping the word of god undistorted and that his followers would write down his revelations on pottery etc and Imam Ali (as) didnt succeed untill later as the 4th caliph, correct me if im wrong.

chahrdikalla is good, well atleast this nob is better than that Tw*t jazzy B

cheerz!

i daint call u a nob i was calling that amrit a nob duh!

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bit of a riddle but i think i may have cracked it

man thinks hes some jawaan munda in that pic LOL!!! ROFL!!!!

which part of bham u from amrik and have you got a brother called prabhdeep

and look at ur language, HOE!

now thats your interpretation of what i said, i was referring colloquially to a door knob

what a nob!

well then brother niranjana, would you care to explain in depth the true meaning of nirgun sargun? perhaps in another thread?

i think it is, koran was not wroten by muhammad rasool, torah wasnt writen by ibrahim (as) Bible wasnt written by Jesus, Gita wasnt written by Shri Krishna, Vedas + Shastras were first spread word of mouth allowing room for distortion, and finally SGGS writen by its founding fathers.

Ah yes, the famous Balbir Singh recording from the 1980s...

...so what is the "first form" and "third form" if the Khanda is the "second form"...

...also, what is the level below, if "khande da amrit is next level"...?

Indeed it is his quote brother, before ALL creation god created the khanda, therefore the first form of God is nirgun akaal, second sargun khanda third shrishti (pantheism)

Kharag Singh you bring up a valid point but at the same time i have met many nihang singhs in India who are more wworied about their next Jhatka for dinner and their shaheedi tegh to even remember the name of God. I can remember going to see the Nihangs at the Jor mela to see Baba Santa Singh and Baba Balbir Singh. It was similar to a scientology convention where i have to pay numbers of nihangs money in order to get closer and closer to the sants to do darshan.

But as i said earlier what about Bhai Kahaiya who started the Sewapanthi movement. He was not a nihang. Same goes for two of the Panj Piaray Bhai Daya Singh and Bhai dharam Singh who have a number of nirmala sampardas and upsampardas coming from them. Lastly the Bedis who Guru Gobind Singh Ji brought into the khalsa themselves. The Bedis have never been been nihangs. Other the Baba Sahib Singh Ji and Baba Bikramjit Singh the others were never shasterdhari.

This is the one time i can say Bahadur Singh is right about tribalism. when members on the forum who associate themselves with the nihangs, nirmalas, etc make claims to such things as the ritual of baptism in order to undermine other groups

brother kam this isnt about undermining another group. Nirmalas are utam in their own place and sewapanthis in their own. after seeing your perspective i think that (now this is my own conclusion) amrit being pure death mixed into water, has two aspects, for those who need it for martial purposes take it as a metophrical/literal embracement of death. And since Akaal is known also as death, amrit can provide bhramgyaan too. Now nirmale/udasis who wish to enhance their bhramgyan take amrit. Comming to sewapanthis i must say this is a grey area for me to draw up a conclusion.

but please ponder and maybe even correct this perspective.

well the way to look at it is that today how many of the sikhs who take amrit live up to sant siphai? do ANY of them train in shastar vidiya or do most of them just learn gurbaani and kirtan etc?

neo can you please give refference to the raag or schand this was written in?

a nihung to start off is a siphai when he gains enough gyaan and obtains a farla (gyaan ganga) he become sant, therefore becoming Sant Siphai

i have a gutka with the bani in it, i will try my level best to scan the bani

well khande da amrit is next level brother, an amrit which has mixed into it death in its second form The Khanda or "Mouth" in sanskrit.

amazing how the picture of the woman beseaching "prabh£ reminds one of raag majh

hmm, amrit in my view is for the elite. When i say elite i mean the Warriors, for whom it was initially set up for. I mean today amrit is given out like as if it was out of a tap, there is no true maryada left apart from that at Budha Dal, Amrit was set up by Nihung Singhs (5 pyare + Sahib-E-Kamaal) and for Nihungs. For those who wish to drink death and then be ready to embrace it in the battle field.

Balbir Singh you have lost the plot now, on one hand you call Akaal Nirgun/sargun and on the other your implying that God has amother which is contradictory to the whole concept of Mool Mantra "Ajooni sehbhang" Ie for someone to come into june one must be born and that from a woman and if Akaal is "ajooni sehbhang" then Mahakaal cannot have a mother.

Your interpretation of Waheguru is completely wrong. From what i know it means Wonderful Lord Who Delivers From Darkness of Ignorance Into Light Of Gyaan (Knowledge)

what a stupid question, Next balbir will come out with "HAIL MARY MOTHER OF GOD"

doesnt bairaag mean denouncement?