Matheen

Fateh!

Does anyone know where I can download or listen to Aasa Di Var sung well in: (1)Raag; (2) Thaarna (Rarasahib style).

Thanks

There were some students at my uni (back in the day) who had seen copies of this text. IMHO it is 100%true.

Anyone know if the Durbar records from Aurangzeb's time still exist?

Neo, the 'confession' was under duress - it's clear he was tortured, so it wouldn't stand in court. I don't think the truth about this incident will come out any time soon.

Its hard to find a rabab like Mardana used, let alone a teacher. I would love to hear one.....

Definitely 26 August 1975....

Das- it's quite possible this happened, there were other incidents involving curing people poisoned by snake bites etc. Many incidents from their life were unreported by those present at the time. They never wanted vadiaai for themselves.

Not heard of this even from Hapurwale Mahapursh or the Singhs I know from Rarasahib. If you don't mind me asking, who told you this?

They will probably be teaching....'Oh dont take your kasehra off or you'll break your Amrit'....haha

what's so funny? - I would agree with them.....

some of the comments reek of incredible arrogance....they might not be perfect, but how the heck do you know what they're going to teach?! Many people learn a lot from these events, and it takes a lot of time, money and manpower to organise camps etc.

Good luck to them, and hope the camp is Chardi Kala.

actually quite good.....personally don't believe that Maharaj sacrificed goats that day - think it was really heads - but that's just me. Nice one singh.

stay tuned , i ll upload the audio soon.

thanks singh

Sikhi is a hard path for sure - "Khanio Thiki Valo Nikki", and sometimes i think i should just worry about myself because God knows I'm not perfect, but it hurts to see a brother go the wrong way.

Or did you guys really think that campfire and camp Sikhi was going to work...

don't really know what the answer is....but i KNOW that part of the problem is 'our leaders' not practising what they preach while keeping bana on the outside but not the inside. Now I know why Maharaj ji says that out of crore people, there will only be 1 true premi.

Fateh!

Back in the UK after a few years and thought I'd hook up with some old friends - Singhs who inspired me to get into Sikhi, Singhs I'd literally spent all night with singing kirtan, good Singhs.

what do i find?!!! they ( couple of them were known as the Hitchin crew in my uni days) have given up the gift of Maharaj Ji's own sroop and gone the other way.

OK, everyone has a right to do what they want, but for me to see this was like seeing a slap to Guru Ji. Of course I still know they are the same on the inside etc, etc but it was heartbreaking to say the least.

What the heck happened to some of our sangat in the last 2 - 3 years?

Is this audio still available anywhere - I would really like to hear it.

"...Paath Competitions"

how does that that work?

i would think they are of the same caste. dogra is a caste, not a gotra.

Explains why there are muslim, hindu and sikhs with that name. thanks.

Yeah great. We know the history on the website is 'true' because it says so at the top.

lol...you're not implying......

btw, are people in Punjab today with the surname Dogra related to the traitors?

Thanks Singh, great sewa.

I agree that Turk is not = muslim, because of the line "...Turk Pathan Aml Kia..." from Asa di Var. Turks and pathans are different peoples, so it's not necesarily a reference to the religion (though Turks are mostly muslim).

surprised that the link above makes no mention of their Relation with Guru Arjun Dev ji

Some do, many don't - I learned quite a bit from http://www.mianmir.com and www.info-sikh.com The first site mentions Guru ji as 'Sahib Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj' but isn't written by a Sikh, which shows that his followers have quite some respect for Maharaj.

There's fascinating stuff at http://www.info-sikh.com/PageDesc.html They still have Maharaj Ji's Mala and Hukamnama!!

Wonder what the Hukamnama says?!

cheers Kam

Fateh!

I need some info on Mian Mir (who laid the foundation stone at Harimandir Sahib). Does anyone know why Maharaj chose him? their relationship? where he came from? what happened to him? etc.

The web sites I checked don't help.....

Thanks!

Beetlejuice - the questions you ask have been asked before again and again. Use the search facility.

Please keep private battles private - i (and i'm sure many others) don't come on here for this admin-cut.

Which poem? i see nothing......

Mississauga, Ontario, Canada.

other side of the world.....

gsingh00 - it's not about force - get someone to hold you in a headlock and try to slide out your head; or a guillotine choke; or a neck crank etc.

Gurnit singh - where do u live? I can't find many singhs to roll with.....

Interesting.... personally I think different types of Kirtan appeal to Sangat at different avasthas - I kid you not when I say dharmik hip-hop got me on the first steps to Sikhi. Raag Kirtan at that time was just boring - like A-level maths would be to a kid in year 1.

BTW, Rarasahib style (especially the original) and AKJ are very different. Sant Isher Singh Ji always asked the sangat to sit still, close their eyes or look only at Guru Sahib and was 'shant'....