Matheen

Not even close! The closest thing is reading Gurbani, or dharmic Granths, reading the lives of Mahapurkhs etc. But at my low avastha, real, live sangat has no substitute.

It just happens, you have to do it with your surti though, not out loud. It involves controlling your thoughts, so all your mind is focused on the Paath. You're 'thinking' Jap Ji Sahib rather than reciting it. When you see "Ik Oankaar", the mind completes the first paurri etc. With more practice, it will complete the whole ang, then the whole Paath. 

It takes a lot more concentration and love for Gurbani than reading out slowly, which is why it takes time to develop.

I now live in a remote place with no Sangat, poor internet etc. I only get darshan of Sangat every 6 months or so. What I've found is that going into Sangat, doing seva etc gives the spirit a huge boost. It's literally cleansing. I leave full of motivation, Chardi Kala, ready for anything!

Over time, immersed in the world, this feeling wanes, until I get back to Sangat.

Dhan Guru Di Sangat!

I'd rather go with Sant Kartar Singh Ji than McLeod.

It's ludicrous to think that Khande Batte da Amrit was not administered to women.

They are confused about certain things though. It's best to get a thorough understanding of Gurbani before following what these guys say.

Blue Star and Black thunder were completely different scenarios.

Ask yourself why the army didn't let ordinary pilgrims leave during Blue Star? Who attacked whom?

Read testimonies from eye witnesses, books by Joyce Pettigrew, Cynthia Mahmood, A.R. Darshi to find out what really happened.

This thread is from 2009!

Anyway, men and women are equal but different.

He stayed with a friend of mine once, in the UK a few years ago. According to my friend, he was always up early, doing loads of paath etc ad not talking of anything but Gurbani.

Hard to tell what the truth is here, and what her motivation is for going public now. Why not charge him for harassment? He was in the UK a few weeks ago, did katha without any issues.

rab jaane.

1. Baikri Bani- When one recites naam with javan(tongue), hout(lips), khaieyal(thoughts) that is called Baikari Bani.

2. Madhma Bani- When one recites naam in Kant(throat) without moving lips...just with the thoughts is called Madhma Bani.

3. Pasanti Bani- When one recites naam in hirda(heart).

4. Para Bani- When one recites naam in Nabhi(Navel) without moving tongue and with the thoughts. In this stage vahiguroo naam gets infused in rom rom of the body. Meditation goes in automatic mode. There is no need for concentration.

here i need some help!!

there are 4 types of jaap as mentioned above i only know 1st and 2nd jaap but i dont know how do i do 3rd and 4th jaap pls help!!!

It's automatic. Focus on 'Waheguru'.

Good stuff

Why did the army attack many other Gurudware as well?

Sant Ji, like Sikhs in general, was a thorn in the side of a corrupt government. Indira Gandhi openly called Sikhs 'dogs' and thought we don't deserve any of the legitimate requests that were being made, which didn't help matters.

The best books on the topic are by Cynthia Mahmood and 'The Gallant Defender' by retired (Hindu) magistrate A.R. Darshi.

Discourses on the Beyond volume 3 a book written by Sant Baba Waryam Singh ji

Anyone else who wants to read can grab it from

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3dWJJc2bM5HRUFOUHdLejRRU3c&usp=sharing

;-)

Good stuff, but I don't think that is really by Sant Isher Singh Ji, but Sant Waryam Singh Ji. Sant Isher Singh Ji explain Anhad Shabad etc somewhat differently in their audio recordings, and from what I gathered speaking to their old sangat and sevadars.

Real anhad shabad is only heard after we reach the avastha where rom-rom simran is experienced. It is the most beautiful kirtan you can imagine. You can probably see Shaheed Singhs etc before reaching this avastha.

The important thing is to maintain bairaag and keep focused on our ultimate goal, Waheguru!

Has anyone experienced shaktian etc offering seva? The distractions on this path are many and very powerful.

I just re-read the discourse given by Sant Baba Isher Singh (Rare Wale) where his instructions were as follows with regards to the Anhad Shabad:

Sat1176, which discourse is this? Haven't read it before. Thanks.

Kirpa!

Sat1176, today I logged onto this forum for the first time in months, if not over a year. This thread is the best thing I've read on the internet in a very long time. That child is not yours, he is Waheguru's. Whatever happens is Waheguru's hukam. Your son will take as many breaths as have been written for him, according to his past karma.

Leave everything to Waheguru, you can only do Ardas with complete concentration. Talk to Waheguru.

Akaal Sahai!!!

Sat1176, great stuff!

Read in one of your earlier posts that "the head will drop when you relax"However, if you sit correctly, with your spine straight, the head will remain straight automatically even when you lose surti of the body. Sitting like this is important, because the body can keep breathing easily and you get less 'furney' (thoughts) in your mind.

WJKK! WJKF!

Family members I know didn't have good experiences there but with Guru's kirpa eventually found a Mahapurkh who sorted their issues through Gurbani.

I know that during Amrit Sanchars, the Bhai Daya Singh Samparda actually tell initiates not to go there. They also believe that he fled from battle.

Do you exercise?

Tea tree oil is anti-fungal. You can also try using dahi (yoghurt) instead of shampoo.

Mit, please send me your email, I can't come on this site too often so it gets difficult to reply in time.

Where is your friend? India? Send me a message if you need to, with Guru Ji's kirpa there's an easy solution.

Good stuff, it's very easy to fall into the chakar of trying to rationalise everything, look for reasons behind what Guru Ji did and asks us to do etc, but in the end it's all about pyaar. Without pyaar, the path of Sikhi becomes impossible.

Being in the sangat of someone who has so much pyaar that they have dedicated everything to Guru Ji is amazing.

Purely political - to have their own Gurudwarey to run. The election system always favours the majority, and politicians always find something to divide the electorate. In India, Tarkhans were effectively locked out of elected posts because of this and finding themselves in the majority in E. Africa led to the current situation. It is still virtually impossible for a Tarkhan in Nairobi (Kenya) to become a member of the 'bhappa' dominated Singh Sabha and vice-versa. The Jatts have control of a couple of Gurudwarey as well.

Sad state of affairs. The complete lack of Maryada in most Ramghariya Gurudwarey (infact all Gurudwarey in Kenya, even Singh Sabha and Nanaksar) is shocking. Langar is now a meal hosted by rich people for their friends, cooked by outside caterers, self service buffet style, wearing shoes, heads uncovered etc.

Going to take a revolution to sort things out, maybe with violence.

Note: in the UK, Tarkhans were again the minority and being unable to win elections, they made their own Gurudwarey.

Never come across that myself, but it is a disgrace if it happens.

I was born in calcutta, India....