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What would you say if Hindus agitate to get harmandar Sahib back from Tat Khalsa occupiers? After all it is Mandar for Hari and there is a record of idols being worshiped there till 100 years back. Modern khalsa aurangzebs have removed Hindu paintings from parkarma and many other sikh temples after 1984. they are Mandars too and so are Hemkunt, Manikaran and many others which were used as joint temples till not so distant past. Should Hindus ask Sikhs to hand over all such temples?
The obstinacy of Hindus is legendary. When confronted with the truth they will still keep on with their falsehood, Were the idols there originally when the Harmandir Sahib was built? No, there is no evidence of this even the myth making Sanatanists cannot come up with evidence of this. These idols were only on the Parkirama and these were infiltrations brought on by the Hindu pilgrims and priests who would visit the Harmandir Sahib and who even going to the place of enlightenment still wanted to keep their idol worshipping ritual.
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As one of the main factors which led to the ousting of the Muslims from East Punjab especially the Sikh dominated areas was to create space for the resettling of Sikh refugees from West Punjab then it is natural that either Hindus refugees from West Punjab not be allowed to resettle in East Punjab and if possible Hindus already there be also ousted.
With the ousting of the Muslims even without the resettling of Sikh refugees, the districts of Amritsar, Ludhiana, Firozpur, had become Sikh majority districts. Add to this the fact that Hindus in Jalandhar were 50.37% of the population compared to 48.8% of Sikhs and the Sikhs dominated the rural areas. In Gurdaspur Hindus were 51% and the Sikhs were 40% and apart from Pathankot tehsils the Sikhs dominated the rural areas of the district. Only in Hoshiarpur was the difference between Sikhs and Hindus large in number. Hindus were and Sikhs were 25% and Hindus 75%, Again in some tehsils Sikhs were a majority in the rural areas. The Sikhs were also a majority in Patiala, Faridkot and Nabha states and the Punjabi speaking areas of Jind state.
So if the plan had been to create an independent Sikh state in 1947 then you would not have seen the resettlement of Hindu refugees from West Punjab being resettled in East Punjab. Given the lack of law and order and the precarious nature of the new government in Delhi then the Sikhs would have been successful in denying the settlement of Hindus in East Punjab. It would not make sense to allow a fifth column of Sikh haters to settle in areas that had a Sikh majority. Had these Hindus not been allowed to settle in East Punjab and been instead settled in Haryana areas or Jammu and Sikh refugees solely been settled in East Punjab, the Punjab today would have had a Sikh majority of over 80% and the Sikhs would have been a majority in both the rural and urban areas. There would have been no Punjab problem as the tiny Hindu minority would not have been able to act as a fifth column in Punjab and be hostile to the just demands of the state. The Punjabi Hindus would have had more clout in Haryana and could even have been a majority in some of the districts like Karnal, Panipat etc. If the Hindus already living in Sikh areas of East Punjab also been ousted and moved to Haryana. There would have an independent Sikh state and the Indian state of Haryana would have had a Punjabi Hindu problem!
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Looking for it now. I posted it on another similar forum and was banned for it. Lol
Can't seem to find it anymore
Typical Hindu. Make statements but fails to provide the evidence.
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There will be no justice because the ones who have the power to provide justice are hand in glove with the killers. It was not just congress goons who murdered Sikhs, there were BJP goons as well.
The only justice that Sikhs have got for 1984 was the one that was delivered through the barrel of a gun.
Arjan Dass Sept 1985
Arjan Dass name featured in affidavits by Sikhs as directing the mobs in their attacks against them.
Lalit maken July 1985
In a 31-page booklet titled `Who are the Guilty', the People's Union of Civil Liberties (PUCL) listed 227 people who led the mobs, which killed up to 3,000 Sikhs over three days. Lalit Maken's name was third on the list with a brief description: "Lalit Maken, Congress(I) trade union leader and metropolitan councillor. Reportedly paid the mobsters Rs.100 each plus a bottle of liquor. A white Ambassador car reportedly belonging to him came four times to the GT Road area near Azadpur. Instructions to mobs indulging in arson were given from inside the car." -
He's lost the election
Candidate Votes Percent * Ami Bera
(Party Preference: DEM) 53,27348.6%Doug Ose
(Party Preference: REP) 56,28451.4% -
There are international conventions which allow for the service of summons from one country to the resident of another. Bachchan doesn't have the guts to sue as he is not 100% sure that there is no video tape somewhere which could show up and totally ruin his career as well as lay him open to criminal charges.
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SFJ is designed to help Mr. Pannu in his legal business. Otherwise, lawyers by regulation are not supposed to start frivolous litigation that has no merit. He should be suspended from law practice for starting something against Modi especially since he knew it would be over-uled by immunity. The American court has no jurisdiction over Amitabh Bachchan as well.
But its all good. Modi's visit was a success, got his man (arvind subramanian) as Chief Economic Advisor.
Because of Pannus actions, the Americans just lost out on a multi-billion dollar deal. An emergency delegation is arriving from the States as we speak.
The US court have jurisdiction over Bachchan as he enjoys no immunity as the head of a sovereign state. Since you have such an incisive legal brain maybe you should advise your hero Big B to ignore the summons and not respond. Let's see what happens then.
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SFJ is friggin pain in the ass. everyone knows Amitabh (whose mother was from a top sikh clergy family) had absolutely nothing to do with the carnage. all the non-sensical allegations against him comes from one single 'witness' who apparently was the ONLY person who saw and heard Amitabh shouting khoon ka badla khoon slogans on national TV. Not one single video or audio clip has been presented as evidence against amitabh. i wish he sues these publicity seeking SOBs.
Not many people had videos in India in 1984 and the ones that had how many would be taping these events? The truth lies in the vaults of the archives of Doordarshan and these are unlikely to be revealed by any government. There is probably some truth to the accusations either he personally did shout the slogans or these were dubbed from one of his movies on to TV coverage by the government as part of the conspiracy to start the genocide of Sikhs.
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The classic Fudhu Tola!
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As for suspending or citing Pannu because he commenced a frivolous lawsuit, I'm working on it.
Start a revolution from your armchair while you are at it! Classic Hindu diseased mind.
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This thread is about the gullibility of Hindus not about criminals in a particular community. If you want me to post the details of Hindu criminals who have a virtually monopoly of defrauding the heathcare system of the USA I can do that for you.
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Here is a article that would have made the Hindus on the forum and around the world swell with pride at the achievements of their fellow Indians.
Patriot Nasa boy turns hero ANANTHAKRISHNAN G.
Arun P.V
Thiruvananthapuram, Oct. 6: A young Nasa researcher from Kerala whose patriotic stand had prompted the US space agency to relax a citizenship rule was surprised to find himself the toast of New Delhi during a visit last month.
Arun P.V. even received an invite to the Prime Minister’s home after Narendra Modi learnt how the 26-year-old from Kottayam had declined to give up his Indian citizenship when Nasa offered him a job in January last year.
Arun’s Nasa assignment required him to accept American citizenship at a later date. Since that would have meant losing his Indian nationality, Arun declined.
True to its professionalism, Nasa realised his worth, acknowledged his concerns and took him on board without pressing the citizenship clause. It could not be confirmed whether Nasa had made a similar concession for anyone else before.
A Kerala daily had at the time reported the matter without the news creating much excitement. But things got moving when Arun arrived in Delhi last month as part of a US team of scientists to discuss cooperation in the use of space technology for the benefit of ordinary citizens.
A senior colleague in the delegation — which included scientists from Nasa, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and the United Nations Development Programme — mentioned the story to home minister Rajnath Singh during a meeting. When Modi heard it from Rajnath, he invited Arun to a private meeting.
Officials said the meeting, held in the first week of September, lasted nearly 30 minutes, the discussions ranging from recent developments in science and technology to India’s Mars Orbiter Mission.
Modi is learnt to have told Arun that the doors of the country’s space research establishments would always be open for him.
Sources in Arun’s family told The Telegraph that the young man had been thrilled at the Prime Minister meeting him personally.
Although a Nasa employee, Arun is now doing a research project on artificial intelligence at MIT.
He graduated in mechanical engineering in Kottayam before doing his MTech at the National Institute of Technology in Bhopal.
His work on artificial intelligence at the Bhopal institute drew attention and eventually earned him his Nasa job.
and then the truth
ndia: 'Nasa scientist' exposed as fraudster
By News from Elsewhere......media reports from around the world, found by BBC Monitoring
Mr Vijayakumar won't be joining these Nasa scientists to seek out life beyond EarthA man who became famous in India after claiming to be a Nasa scientist has admitted he made the whole thing up, it's been reported.
Arun P. Vijayakumar, 27, hit the headlines after saying he'd been selected as a research scientist for the US space agency, even telling the media that Nasa relaxed its citizenship requirements "as it was so impressed with his knowledge and patriotism", the Deccan Chronicle reports. His Nasa work would involve exploring "extraterrestrial elements with the use of remote sensing", he told The Hindu website in an interview last month. He also claimed to be studying for a PhD at the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in the United States.
But now Mr Vijayakumar, from Kerala in south-west India, admits none of it was true, including claims that he had met Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. He was busted by a Facebook group known as the Netizen Police, which investigates suspected online fraud in conjunction with the police, Manorama Online reports. "Police officers said that the intention of Arun was only to gain fame and that the details were being released now in order to ensure that he does not come out with similar claims in future," the website says.
Use #NewsfromElsewhere to stay up-to-date with our reports via Twitter.
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No offence but Bhai Gurdas ji died in 1636 AD. Secondly, acc the information I have, the writer (written after Khalsa sirjna so it has to be some one other than Bhai ji) of Bhai Gurdas varran wrote 40 vaars. where did this 41st Vaar came from? Would you please give the link to the whole compilation which includes 41st Vaar as well?
Wow, I thought you were an expert on Sikhi having sprouted your BS views about Sikhi in the last year. Read Uggardanti as well, from which the RSS use some tuks out of context or mistranslate to claim that Khalsa wanted the Hindu dharm to be supreme. Both works outline the Sikh worldview which is totally contrary to the one you Hindus like to espouse of Sikhs being just a bunch of Keshdhari Hindus.
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We treat/respect/worship Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as Waheguru themselves.
Guru Gobind Gobind Guru Hai Nanak Bhed Na Bhai
Well a Sanatan fool tried to equate the respect we give to Guru Granth Sahib to idol worship to please the Hindu idiots on here.. Shows he only knows how to post a few tuks without knowing what the tuks mean.
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You seem to have done a 180 degree u-turn here. You were writing that the Guru Granth Sahib is worshipped like an idol yet now say that Gurbani rejects idol worship. So how should we treat the Guru Granth Sahib?
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You worship the idol made of paper and the Hindu worships the idol made of stone or wood ..this is the basic difference ...whether you want to accept it or not ..
For someone who claims to be a Sikh you do not have much knowledge of Sikhi. Guru Gobind Singh states in Zafarnama that the Hill Rajas are idol worshippers and that he is a 'But Shikan' or Idol smasher. How does that then square with your equating the Guru Granth Sahib as an idol?
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Gurbar Akaal Ke Hukam Seon Upjayo Bigayaana,
Tab Sahejay Racheo Khalsa Saabat Mardaana,
Eon Uthey Singh Bhabkaarkey Sabh Jug Darpaana,
Marri Deval Gor Maseet Dha Key Maidaana,
Ved Shaastr Mitaey Kar Maarey Sultaana,
Mir-Pir Sabh Shap Gaye Majhabo Ultaana,
Malvane Kazi Fir Thakey Kutch Maram Na Jaana,
Lakh Pandit Brahmin Jotki Bikh Ras Urjhaana,
Funh Paathar Deval Pooj Ke Att he Bhaklaana,
Eon Dono Firke Kapat Meh Rach Rahe Nidaana,
Eh Teesar Majhab KHALSA Upjeo Pardhaana,
Jin Guru Gobind Ke Hukam Seon Gheh Khadag Dikhaana,
Teh Sabh Dushtan Kau Ched Ke Akaal Japaana,
Fir Aeso Hukam Akaal Ka Jag Meh Pragataana,
Tab Sunnat Koi Naa Kar Sakeh Kampeo Turkaana,
Eon Ummat Sabh Muhammadi Khap Gaye Nidaana,
Tab Fateh Dank Jug Meh Ghureh Dukh Dund Mitaana,
Eon Teesar Panth Rachaeen Vad Soor Gahelaa.
This is how the Sikhs of the 18th century viewed the role of the Khalsa in this world. That the Mosques and Mandirs, the Qurans and Purans would all be destroyed and the Khalsa would reign supreme.
Hindus fools like Sherni and others useless Hindu idiots think that the Khalsa was created to protect the Hindus and went to Hardwar following Hindus rites!
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You should follow your ancestors including a deep study of certain Hindu scriptures, and routine visits to Haridwar.
Actually, what ancestors are you talking about? your closer to jazzy bains, yo yo honey Singh and Babbu Mann than to any of those great warriors.
If you know what I mean.
The visits to Hardwar were never regular and only took place when persons who were recent converts to Sikhi would keep up their ancestral routine of visiting Hardwar and getting the Pandas to record their visits. However when Sikhs were in the Doab to collect Rakhi or during the Kumbh then Sikh Rajas would attend with their armies. There is an instance of one such visit in 1796 which didn't end too well for the Hindus.
http://gt1588.com/iwitness-attack-on-fakirs-1796/
One of the amusing thing here is the way the Hindus have been posting videos of a minor sword fight at Durbar Sahib to show Sikhs in a bad light yet their Kumbh Mela resulted in violence between various sadhu groups in which thousands have been killed.
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Foolish neo-Sikhs..... the day Ram Bhagwan is considered a myth is the same day Dasam Granth Sahib falls apart... the ultimate inferiority complex in the world = pakistanis and neo-sikhs. two fake identities with fake histories and a denial of themselves.. true slaves of colonialism and puppets/pawns in the war of epistemic knowledge. victims of epistemic violence and the slaves of hegel...
What's a harami like you living in Canada for? Pi$$ off to Hindu land and then your rants about colonialism would be justified. The biggest fake identity is the Hindu identity, any ar%ehole can worship a rat, a monkey, shiva's lulla and any manner of shyt and he can still be a fully paid up member of the biggest fake religion in the world!
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The whole act of going to your place of worship and bowing your head to your magical friend in the sky is superstition, at least according to science. It costs a lot for the Tulsi but perhaps much more when you lay down your money by the billions to please your unseen yaar in the sky, who never seems to really show up.
So is the bigger foo
A foolish Hindu thinks he is greater than Guruji! Maybe you were one of those Hindu fools at Hardwar in a previous lifetime and one on whom the Gurus wisdom was wasted.
How can water which is physical and can be PROVEN to only reach a few metres if thrown be compared to a prayer which is not physical and about which nothing has been PROVEN whether or not it can reach great distances? Thinking that a prayer can reach God is based on faith. Thinking that throwing water will reach the ancestors is stupidity! If you think water can reach such great distances maybe you should get in touch with the water companies and show them how they are wasting time and money laying pipes everywhere when all they need is faith to get the water to their customers! To the 7000 Indians dying of hunger you can add many millions dying of thirst if the water companies take on your Hindu mentality
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‘the main purpose which these books would serve is to gradually transform the young children into bigoted morons in the garb of instilling in them patriotism’.
We are already seeing the result from the three morons on here, Sherni, Fudhu Doaba Rajput, and Fudhustani.
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The problem is the end of the Jajmani or Laagi system which although not perfect worked well in the old days. The Landowners would get services such as labour in the fields, carpentry services etc in exchange for grain and other agricultural production. Later this transformed into a system where payment was made in cash. When the laagis started to turn their noses at work in the field and started to get financial benefits from the governments solely because they were low caste then the system broke down. Now it is a supply and demand system. When labour is short the labour can demand upwards to 400 rupees a day and food. With mechanisation there is less demand for labour and hence they get offered no work or low wages.
I would not take everything that is reported in the India media especially when so-called social activists are involved, In the villages I have visited the rate of labour even in the low season is not less than 300 rupees a day. If these things happen in some areas of Punjab then something needs to be done about it either by the government, political parties and the religious and social organisations.
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1. you do realize that you can find women of all ethnicities that are promiscuous right? probably not.... punjabanaan that blow people for fun are quite prevalent in all of north america and europe......
2. and about shivling.... why dont you come say this to a true hindu... then you complain about getting burnt alive like a rat.... talk is cheap... and your ass is still hurting from burns inflicted in 84... yet you sit here acting like a soorma. typical coward singh sabha neosikh.
If the Punjabans do that then you sister must do the same? Your women were warming the Mughal emperor's beds centuries ago and that with the blessing of their fathers and brothers so you are the last person to talk about protecting women from Muslims.
As for the lulla comment, I have mentioned that to countless Hindus and they just try and rationalise it some even saying that it's not even a lulla. The best question to ask a Hindu is what god do you worship? the Monkey god or the elephant headed god?
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You mean in the Gurudwara parking lot like that last girl, don't you?
You asked the question where are the Sikhs protecting their women and I showed you. You can't show any Hindu fighting for his women because their culture is to submit and hope the Muslims don't hurt the menfolk.
Hindus And Sikhs Riot (1966)
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Posted · Edited by tonyhp32
Large numbers of refugee Hindus were settled in Sikhs areas. In Ludhiana district where Hindus were only 21% of the population in 1941 and without any refugee settlement and with expulsion of the Muslims, they would have been 32% of the population. But because a large number of Hindus were settled in Ludhiana they pushed their population up to 37.3%. In hindsight it would have been better if these Hindus had been settled in Haryana area and the Sikhs that were settled in Karnal and Hissar districts had been settled in Ludhiana instead. These Hindus could then have had their Hindi language which they love so much.
If you take the same calculations for the Karnal district, the Sikhs were only 2% of the population in 1941, if no refugees were resettled there and the Muslims expelled, then the Sikh percentage would have gone up to 2.8%. But because large numbers of refugee Sikhs were settled in Karnal district the Sikh percentage went up to 8.9%.
If the resettlement department had made sure that Sikhs were resettled in Sikh areas and the Hindus in Haryana then the Punjabi Hindus would have been in a better position and able to have a say in at least one former East Punjab state ie Haryana rather than having to suffer Sikh domination in Punjab and Haryanvi domination in Haryana.
Punjabi Hindu population is not 38%. It is probably the same as the Sikh percentage, whereas as the Sikhs are mainly rural these Punjabi Hindus are urban and so dominate the urban areas.
Although if what you say is correct then this just proves the point that Punjabi Hindus are still continuing to deny their mother tongue as the Punjabi speaking population of Haryana in 1981 was only 1.1 Million while the Sikhs were 0.8 Million. So this means that roughly 3 lakh Hindus claimed Punjabi as their mother tongue while according to you there should have been 5 million Punjabi Hindus in Haryana in 1981!