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faboulus. where is a panjabi version of this available khalsa ji?

could the date 1695 be cos of the difference in bikarmi era and christian era as there are a few yeras duifference in them?

kinda like hitler ordered in poland after his deputy was killed by polish resistance, i guess.

Sant jarnial Singh did have a lot of support amongst the younger sikhs. however the elder akalis didnt really support him. they were too interested in their politcal careers, as today the younger sikhs are more interested in making money/becoming rich.

why didnt they move to another place and set up dera there? ie like Sant Kartar Singh did after Sant Mohan Singhs followers refused to recognise him as taksal head?

why didnt they move to another place and set up dera there? ie like Sant Kartar Singh did after Sant Mohan Singhs followers refused to recognise him as taksal head?

i see similaritires between tibet/budhists and sikhs/panjab. just as the tibetans once ruled their own country and were a formidable force, they came to lose it and are now over-powered by the chinese. same as sikhs under King Ranjit Singh and now in a country where we have no political power.

the tibetans are hated by the chinese altho they portray themselves as caring for tibetans interest. same goes for india with the sikhs.

the chinese have flooded tibet so that they are becomng a minority in thier own country, sikhs are fast becoming a minority in panjab, partly becos they wanna move out to the western world and also other communites are willing to replace them in panjab.

chinese have tried to dilute the budhsits religion with thier own version of panchen lama, and the ravan hakoomat have interfered in sikh religion.

chinese have so ,much m,ilitry in tibet, as once india had in panjab. if a buddist disappears in tibet, it means nothing. if asikh disappears in panjab or india again it means nothing.

china claims to have brought prosperirty and culture to tibet. in reality they have brought bloodshed and hatred. india claims to have the intrests fo the sikhs at heart , whereas they have also brought murder and bloodshed.

china portrays people with legitimate requests as "splitists" whereas india portrays them as "extremists or separetists".

i only hope reaaly that india either dies quickly or that it relinquishes power to the people. same goes for china. and that those who killed the sikhs also face justice.

but on the realistic front, it probabaly wont happpen. still, they will have to face divine justice.

i would NOT recommnd bindra's translations of charitro pakhyane. he is anti dasam guru granth, and it is glaringly obvious in his translations.

neo we use powerpoint presentations a lot. however me is a doofus who cannot make the deeper subjects you refer to. if you have any let me know.

for some time at my local gurdwara , there has been a great focus on making younger attendees more aware of Sikhi.

at the moment we do the following :

camps

sttm every sunday morning + weddings

simran prog

paath class

kirtan class

library

but still i think that there is more that can be done. duz anyone have any ideas how we can reach out to those who dont attend Gurdwara?

what can we do to reach out to people between the 16-30 age group?

chatanga

Interestingly, Jathedar, Akal Takht, Joginder Singh Vedanti, and Giani Gurbachan Singh, head granthi, Golden Temple, were seen taking a nap when the SGPC chief was addressing the members...

of course they were! they already knew what was going to be said. it was boring when they heard it the first time, they aint satying awake for the next reading.

things are changing tho. probably not at the pace we want, but theres still a change.

not the sledgehammer effort. theres another one as well wiv a nihang in a light blue chola.

if u click on the link theres also a chatka vid viewable as well. very good.

understood.

it seems to me to ending is " the nihangs asan is thier saddles, the khalsa roars, and the landi buchi , the great (said derogatoryily) Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale man nu pawe( his mind is elevated), sat sri akal."

and the rest of the crew start laffin.

i aint gonna say nothing else until my learned friends can state that what ive translated in correct or incorrect.

powerful words.

Xylitol, t'as vécu en France pour affirmer ça ou tu ne fais que répéter les mêmes âneries que tes amis?

Xylitol, you live in France to assert this or are only repeating the same silly remarks as your friends?

jus in case anyone was wonderin...

that quote that you have posted amardeep is rubbish. its lies. kala talking out his butt as usaul. he left for canada cos he was about to get a case registered against him for bribery.

MKS , what was Shiv befoer he was turned into a Dev?

Gurjit Kaur

Gurjit Kaur ekes out a living by doing odd jobs at Amritsar's Golden Temple.

She lost her husband and 14-year-old daughter during Operation Bluestar.

Those who have seen the blood of loved ones spilt will never forget and I will carry my memories with me to my funeral pyre

Golden Temple attack: Your memories Later, her oldest son was killed by police. Two other sons took to arms and became militants - they too were killed in encounters with security forces.

Her youngest boy was only 14 when he also disappeared after the police took him away.

"I have been left all alone in this world. Army soldiers killed my husband Gurmej Singh and our young daughter Jasvinder."

Almost her entire family - her farmer husband, four young sons and her daughter - over the years fell victim to the mindless violence that enveloped Punjab through the 1980's and early 1990's.

It all started with Operation Bluestar in June 1984.

"It was Guru Arjan Dev-ji's Martyrdom Day in the beginning of June that year.

"Gurmej Singh was a deeply religious man who visited the Golden Temple at least once every month.

He was also an ardent admirer of (militant leader) Sant (Saint) Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale.

"He left our home in Village Sodhiwala in Punjab's southwestern border district of Ferozepur along with our elder daughter, who was only a young child at the time.

"They were inside the Temple when the army launched its attack.

"Gurmej Singh and Jasvinder never returned home.

"All I know is they were among the thousands who were killed by the army that day. We couldn't even perform their last rites.

"To add to our grief, the police began harassing us because they recovered some pictures of Bhindranwale which my dead husband had once bought.

"My eldest son Kashmir Singh - 22 years and working as a mechanic at a nearby workshop - was picked up and killed. They threw his body in a drain outside the village.

"Intensely angry over the injustices we were forced to suffer, two of my younger sons left home to join militant organisations.

"I did not attempt to stop Jaspal Singh and Tarlok Singh from going away.

"I do not know if they were able to avenge the deaths of my husband, daughter and older son, but some years later - around 1991 - both the boys were shot dead in encounters with the police.

"I did not grieve - they had given their lives while serving the cause of the Panth (Sikh community) and the Gurus.

No respite

"But the police did not stop at this.

A police check around Amritsar (Photo courtesy The Tribune)

"One day - also in the year 1991 - a bunch of police wallahs came to my house and picked up my younger daughter, youngest son and me.

My daughter and I were locked up in the Jail at Nabha Town.

"But I still do not know what became of my youngest child. Baljinder Singh was only 14 years old.

"He simply disappeared from the custody of the police.

"Twenty years have gone by but I still cry each day. I cannot forget how my entire family was wiped out.

"Those who have seen the blood of loved ones spilt will never forget and I will carry my memories with me to my funeral pyre.

"Today I am all alone. My only surviving child lives with her husband outside Punjab. She does not visit me because the police harass her each time she came here in the past.

"My only remaining wish is to identify the men who killed Baljinder Singh. He was only a innocent little child.

"I want to know what kind of men could bring themselves to murdering a child. I want to know if they made my sweetest child suffer. "My heart will not stop aching. Nothing else matter to me now."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3774899.stm

the nihangs are only a minor part in the betrayal. the akali dal leaders were by far worse in thier selfishness.

i certainly hope it aint represnetative of the other gurdwaras. i asked my firned brother when he got married did they do all that stuff, and he sed "yeh , whats wrong wiv it..."

yeh first of all my friend never invited me knowing what im like.then when pressed for an invite he would not let us on the coach to nottingham. then we just went on the coach after he left. me and my frind could beleive what they started doing.

they opened up bacardi and whisky-shisky and started drinking major style. when we arrived at the gurdwara some were drunk and they had to be put in a room in the gurdwara to sleep off the drink. i saw a man go to the toilet and come back out with a large damp patch in his trousers and he either couldn t open his zip, or just urniatd over his clothes .

i saw the granthi looking very smart in his kurta-pjama with his kirpan over the top of it. this very same granthi was knocking back shorts in the club after.

anyways me and my friend ws hungry so we tried to get some food. there was only bacon and egss there. now me was not veggie then but asked for non-veg food as it seemed weird to eat bacon and eggs in the gurdwara. took about 10 mins to get some veg food.

then the gurdwara event fininshed and all went to the party. the grooms grandad after the party on the way home started talking on the microfone on the coach. he started by " wjkk, wjkf " then he goes " eh sare loki bhen admin cut heh ..."

when i got home at 11 o clock at night, i wondered whether i would wake up the following morning thinking this was all a dream.

and another that has always stuck wiv me is they had a big picture of Sant-Sipahi Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale in the langar hall.

they syaing they are Bhats as in the Guru Granth Sahib. me went to one of their weddings. eyes opened so wide they nearly fell out. beadbi major style.

the federation was started in the 1940s to combat Pakistan or propogate the idea of Sikhistan, the prelude to Khalistan, a country of the Sikhs. Dont think HarBhajan Singh was alive then or active in politics. could be wrong tho.

It was thru the Federation that many politicans came for the akalis. the federation was vey low key until around the 1970S when the activites of the narakdharis came to the fore. then under the guyidance of Bhai Amrik Singh, it was resurrected.