big5abi

ya ive read stories about the gurus. The whole laws of nature were turned upside down so how does desh kaal and vastu even apply. its beyond physics. have u read the bala janamsakhi when guru nanak went to different planets? what country was his body in then. i agree that his body is in different places but guru nanak the spiritual entitiy isnt confined to that. even still how do you account for when he dematerializes and teleports. how can u confine that. and u didnt answer about laxmi dass when he flew to sachkhand in his physical body. if thats possible doesnt that undermine the whole concept of him ever being so bound by desh kaal vastu. just because sants bodys are made of maya doesnt make them confined to maya. as for kaal, it is only the body that belongs to him. He(kaal) has no control over the soul because souls are the children of akaal purkh and are immortal. the transient world is all the creation of Kaal. but one who takes refuge in akaal purkh, Kaal can do no harm. The eternal shabad is the manifestation of Waheguru. by practising it, one trancends the limits of kaal. wherever there is the sound of shabad kaal can never interfere and he keeps away from there. at the last moment of life kaal does not come to take away the disciple of the true guru. The guru himself comes and takes the soul with him. kal doesnt come near a devotee. so kaal again has nothing to do with mahapursh. growing up and changin hair colours doesnt not mean guru ji was confined by kaal. kaal is a reflection of akaal. how can he who is one with akaal be affected by kaal. about the 111 ive known of people referring to sant isher singh ji as brahmgiani 111when they were still here. so thats why i said that. and i've known sant narayan singh ji from tapa draj and they were also known as brahmgiani 111. and i've also seen some maha pursh who stayed 108 even after departing from this world. so what u said didnt make sense either.

I still disagree veer ji, if they are bound by desh kaal and vastu how did guru nanak leave to sachkhand without having their body cremated or buried, obiously that defies desh. and also how did lakxmi dass leave to sach khand with his physical body. when he was flying through astral space what desh was he in? one time someone had passed away at a gurdwara where baba nand singh ji was. and when he was notified he had said how dare kaal eneter this place. and the person came back to life. doesnt that defy kaal? I heard sant saroop singh from chandigarh once talk about desh kaal vastu, that when in samadhi or when emmersed in naam the country or desh a person is in becomes forgotten the time year kaal is not known and the objects and people nearby are not noticed. hence u cannot confine anyone to anything. I find it insulting actually when u said u can confine sri guru gobind singh to a place and say he is confined to kaal. he created kaal he was before kaal. and no u cant confine any sant or guru to desh kaal or vastoo. passing away and accepting Gods will is another thing but saying guru ji is confined to kaal is ridiculous.

sants conquer desh kaal vastu because it has nothing to do with the body its about the soul. the soul is beyond everything. super-conciousness. they ascend from their body and aren't a part of this world. even though it seems as if they are. ur saying guru gobind singh ji was confined to desh kaal vastu? dont think so. only the body is confined but the body has nohing to do with anything, the soul is always in sachkhand.

How can reading books make one a sant? as for as the coded system that u referred to, that has nothing to do with 108 and 111 when talking about a sant. maybe true about letter wroting but has nothing to do with the spiritual meaning. Any sinner can read 108 books or scriptures but it doesnt make them a sant. Sri guru granth sahib ji gives soo much respect to sants as also in the sukhmani sahib. I dont think that repect is because they have read 108 books. there have been sants who haven't read any scripture yet they still have the knowledge and wisdom. To become brahm one has to accumulate spiritual earnings from past lives, not from reading books. when sants discard the body they don't automatically become 111. desh kaal vastu has been conquered by a sant before he is even born. sants dont need to discard their mortal coils in order to conquer desh kaal vastu. the spiritual meaning of 108 is the past births. the coded system of letter wrting is a degeneration of that. how can u compare 108 lives as a bhagat which total millions of years(longer life spans in other yugas) to writing letters and reading books.

That's right veer ji, the significance of 108 is that it refers to the past lives of tapasaya. The bit about the veins that was posted before is not true, because there's more than 108 veins in the human body, actually there are said to be 72,000 of which 3(irha, pingala, sukhmana) are considered to be the most purest. These 3 give power to the chakras which in turn gives rise to the kundalni. When a person has completed 108 births of spiritual earnings that person is said to have reached the stage of a sant. a sant is beyond all physical matter and is not stained by maya. Controlling the veins is not much of an accomplishment for a saint as yogis can also do this.