Pheena

is there any truth to the last paragraph? Can this be confirmed by a non-sikh website?

awesome event...looked very well organized.

The Yajur-Veda

The Yajur-Veda ("Veda of sacrificial formulas") consists of archaic prose mantras and also in part of verses borrowed from the Rig-Veda. Its purpose was practical, in that each mantra must accompany an action in sacrifice but, unlike the Sama-Veda, it was compiled to apply to all sacrificial rites, not merely the Soma offering. There are two major recensions of this Veda known as the "Black" and "White" Yajur-Veda. The origin and meaning of these designations are not very clear. The White Yajur-Veda contains only the verses and sayings necessary for the sacrifice, while explanations exist in a separate Brahmana work. It differs widely from the Black Yajurveda, which incorporates such explanations in the work itself, often immediately following the verses. Of the Black Yajurveda four major recensions survive, all showing by and large the same arrangement, but differing in many other respects, notably in the individual discussion of the rituals but also in matters of phonology and accent.

It seems they are still part of the Yajur Veda, not separate additions to the Vedas themselves.

For some it is important that a secular land be established before they begin their practice of being a Sikh, but such a land cannot provide a guarantee that those who will reside in it will become Sikhs of the Gurus. If the current state of Punjab cannot even establish a reliable rule for the Sikhs living there, then what are the chances that after Khalistan such corruption will be removed? There is not guarantee for either case.

Become the Sikh of the Guru NOW, not wait for an Utopian fantasy to become a reality...rule the land of your mind with vigilance so the true Khalistan can exist in your heart.

When someone dies my question is for whom is this sadness for?

Are we expressing some type of selfishness when a loved one dies?....'why did he/she leave me?' 'who am I going to call dad/mom/son/daughter/uncle?' 'Shud kay chala giya mainu' 'hun mai ke karu ga os to bina' and many other variation of expression that in some ways involve us being the victim of their bodily death. Such expression are generally made by those who had close relations to that body and by being close to them we often feel some type of injustice is being done by them leave us. That it is we that will have to deal with the loss.

What about the person who has died? The Man, the Uncle, the Daughter, the Mother who's body has died...Poor us we say, poor us...how will we survive we say....What about that soul that departed the body? Who then are these tears for? If these tears are for the one who had died then should they be shed with Sadness or with Love? I'm not suggesting that we should not be emotional, but i'm trying to contemplate on the cause of this emotions...what drives these tears or what should drive these tears?

The 'man' cannot override his 'instinct' to swim. The initial observation is that the observer wishing to kill the ego is a desire of the ego, yet another member of the legion that makes up the 'ego'. Man must always swim because that is his job, otherwise he would not get to pass the baton on to other swimmers, who carry on the job of swimming through the milky ocean of creation upon whom vishnu sits. The man liberated in the world cannot drown otherwise he cannot fulfill his worldly obligations. THere must be knowledge of the ego of what type of stroke the man uses etc. in other words man must become an expert swimmer so he glides through the water with minimum friction, he doesn't thrash about and cause discordance and chaos he causes minimum disturbance to the water. The role of the observer is not to kill the ego, but

to perfectly control it. to add to the ego all the virtues that are close to god. and destroy the negative attributes, that make his swimming unsightly.

Firstly I'd like to say that you and tsingh have baked me a cake when all i was hoping for was a cookie.

The words of the beloved Kabir, "Mohay Marnay ka Chaou, Maru to har kay Dawaar". The survival instinct of our ego which has had more than enough (life) time(s) to develop and sustain itself has to be evaluated.

A story of a man who was said to have been seeking for a very long time and then one day he came across a house...the house of God himself. Man filled with joy barged in the door to find a stairway leading upwards to a room. He went running up the stairs and just a few steps before he got to the door a thought came to his mind. What will I do after I meet God? My whole life has been spent searching for him, and what will I do after I meet him. It is said that the man who went charging up the stairs started to come back down and even so removing his shoes as to not make noise as he departed. It is said that this man even today knowns exactly where God is, but chooses not to go there....still pretending to be searching for him.

Why is it that the Chaou does not develop in us for our death (of ego)? Has the ego learned to swim so well ? Perhaps we need the Anchor of a Guru to drown us.

Osho mentions

Krishnamurti says there is no need of a guru at all. This idea appeals to the intellect and to reasoning. What need to introduce the guru since I am born of God, as is the guru? Mind does not approve of the guru; so a congregation of egoists revolve around Krishnamurti. What he says is

perfectly correct, that there is no need of a guru – provided you are capable of annihilating your ego yourself.

But it is as difficult to drop the ego yourself as it is to lift oneself up by your bootstraps. It is just like a dog trying to catch his tail. The quicker he turns, the further his trail swishes away. If, however, a person is competent enough, then Krishnamurti is absolutely right that no guru is necessary.

But here lie all the complications. No sooner have you somehow conquered your ego then you will say, ”I have dropped my ego,” and there you introduce a new form of ego even more dangerous than the old. The guru is needed so that this new ego is not born. Even as you say, ”By the grace of the guru,” you can convey by your behavior: ”See how humble I am! No one can be more humble!” And now these new paths are etched out by the ego. Till yesterday you were proud of your wealth; today you are proud of its renunciation and your humility. The rope is burned but the twists remain. How is this arrogance to be destroyed? – hence Nanak’s emphasis on the guru.

There is no difficulty in attaining God directly, because He is present right in front of you. Wherever you go, there He is. But the one difficulty is that you stand within yourself, and how will you remove this interfering you? Hence, ”THE GURU’S GRACE.” The seeker may labor but the attainment will

always be by the guru’s grace. This concept of the guru’s grace will not allow your ego to form. It will destroy the old ego and prevent the new from forming; otherwise, you rid yourself of one ailment and contract another.

If a Man who is a very good swimmer, meaning he has been swimming his entire life. He then Jumps in a pool of water in 'ideal' conditions. He is in perfect health, but wishes to kill himself by drowning.

Would he be able to kill himself by drowning or would his instinctual swimming/need to survive save him?

Please explain your answer.

If your answer is Yes, then replace Man with your Ego. Can you the observer kill your own ego?

nothing beats a scooter though...trust me.

go to the shehar on a scooter....It has to be a scooter to gain the full experience of going to a cyber cafe!!

When you pay the price with your Ego.

Here is their translation of Rehraas Sahib.

The file size is rather large @ 1.5GB

http://www.gurmarag.net/SikhAwareness/Audi...hraas_Sahib.zip

Their Jaap Sahib and Japji Sahib translations can be found here:

Jaap Sahib:

http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...pic.php?t=10058

Japji Sahib:

http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=9848

Enjoy!

In your first post, Sach(yara) means Paviter or Pure. how do I become Pure (Sachyara).

The reference in your second post is about Meditating (Dhyayiye) on the Truth (sach).

agreed! so u mean that we should remain indifferent to the person's thoughts and minds and remain indifferent to emotion. This will bring a downfall of marriage.

You mentioned that it was a distraction. It would it be a distraction if you felt it was (the path of Grishti) marriage that was the cause, not your mind. As Mehtab Singh aka Tea Leaf suggested just because you think Sanyaas is a way out of the emotional attachment, that doesn't guarantee that your mind won't be influenced by the 5 thieves.

Because the means to attain your Godliness has many paths. If being a Grishti is a distraction then it speaks more about your personal journey than that of the Path itself. The pain of emotional attachment is simply the byproduct of one personal inability to understand and control their thoughts and minds. It too speaks nothing about the path itself.

Can you get your friend Nayan to register and post on this forum so we can talk to him about his experience directly.

Actually, one of my friends wanted to ask about this so I posted it here ...

I will just tell him to enjoy this experience and with time he will know himself about it

Neo posted something related to the crown chakra in this thread. It might help him with some direction.

http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=8473

In simplicity its a marker for progress, that whatever you are doing is on the right path. Enjoy the experience and continue on your Saadhna.

Just remember, sometimes too much knowledge can become a distraction from the experience itself. Just allow the experience to unfold itself.

2. Bhai Mardana was a Muslim and remained a Muslim all his life.

Another 'fact' which is disputable. The tendency to describe Bhai Mardana as a Muslim as well describing Bhagat Kabir as a Muslim Sufi are all recent innovations. To the early Sikh community Bhai Mardana was a Sikh as proven by the fact that one of the Janamsakhi mention that Guru Nanak asked Bhai Mardana to keep the early rehat ie keep Kesh and treat all beings as equal. .

If indeed Guru Nanak had instructed bhai Mardana to keep Rehit, then it was done out of the relationship of Love between a Master and Deciple. I do not believe it was done to initiate Bhai Mardana into an 'ism'.

I think free will in itself is a paradox. I have free will to be lazy and not do kirtan, but I have also reached this state through my previous Karams which have given me this mindset or in another words my previous Karams have limited my options in my present free-will.

So do i really have free-will to do kirtan or am I a product of my past karma?

The story of Dhust Daman does not appear in either the Sri Guru Granth Sahib or the Sri Dasam Granth Sahib (contrary to what the anti-Dasam Granth lobby like to say, which incidently is another why the majority of them are plain morons, as they clearly haven't read the text in question!)

The main source of the Dhust Daman fable is the Sau Sakhi, which is an extremely difficult text to work with by any stretch of the imagination.

Those who believe the Dhust Daman was Guru Gobind Singh in his prior life, please provide tangible evidence to that effect.

Forgive my ignorance on this topic, but I was under the impression that the established Hemkunt Sahib was due to the reference made in the Dust Daman story of Guru Sahib who had done bhagti there prior to taking birth as the 10th Master.

(a) why did Guru Sahib marry her? Surely he would be inclined to do her pooja, given that the same group of people who advocate his myth also assert that Guru Sahib was Dhust Daman in his past life and obtained a boon from the Devi?

was guru sabhi not Dhust Daman in his past life?

the files are not complete...some of them just end abruptly

any possibility you can get the entire discourse?

both are defining the state of God.

Also, for some reason I feel we are not being told the complete story. Why would cops ask a cab driver to give ride to a criminal?

the man was probably being charged for public intoxication when the police must have decided to send him home in a taxi instead of taking him to jail for overnight stay.