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3 hours ago, chatanga1 said:
Again trying to cover the misdeeds of others when it suits your agenda. I have already stated that Hanspal supported the indian states' World Sikh Conference in 1984, and even after did everything to cover the killings of people by the indian state.
Now watch this you criminal apologist! Hanspal tries his best to get an victim of 84 genocide to not give a statement against sajjan kumar.
You have extremely unclear thinking. He was not a Khalistani, that's for sure. But supporting unity of State of India against separatism is NOT the same thing as advocating attack on Sikhs. I said:
QuoteNo Namdhari ever supported Congress government pogrom against Sikhs
Show me where anyone from Namdhari Panth advocated that innocent Sikhs should be attacked, beaten, robbed, raped, tortured, killed?
Now you flip and flop to grab some Congressi guy who is a Namdhari spinning damage control of his political party to suppress witness statement to media. Namdhari Panth doesn't force people to vote for Congress party, irrespective of whether Harvinder Singh Hanspal is high ranking member of Congress party. And you have not shown anywhere that Harvinder Singh Hanspal advocated anti-Sikh pogrom, or that Namdharis were themselves also free from attack.
Just because someone is Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Christian, Sikh, Namdhari Sikh does not prevent someone from being corrupted or even criminal. You are labeling some stupid Congressi corrupted as being the same as Namdhari Panth advocated for Sikh genocide. No one in Namdhari Panth did that to my knowledge.
Now you call me a criminal... if I am a criminal who has never physically harmed anyone in my life, then you have a very warped sense of what criminal means... oh wait, by definition of course must mean ANYONE who supports HINDU RELIGION so you can then justify goonda terrorism against me in some fantasy of self-defense. And yes, Khalistani's advocate murder of Namdhari Guru.Quote"Birmingham Crown Court was shown video footage of the moment he was attacked, suffering a broken arm and facial injuries. Opening the case, prosecutor Gordon Aspden said Toor, of Woods Close, Oadby, Leicestershire, was motivated by religious hatred for his victim...
He said: "Although the defendant is an orthodox Sikh he was dressed like a Namdhari, wearing a white turban."That manner of dress meant he was able to walk into the gurdwara without being challenged." He walked down the central aisle... and when he reached the platform, the defendant pulled back his shawl and produced an axe that he had concealed underneath it."He then attacked the guru with the axe...Shortly after the attack, he was heard to say that "his guru" was the Sikh holy book and he did not believe in a living guru, the court was told. In his attack, Toor swung the 3ft long axe three times, breaking his victim's arm as he tried to protect himself and slashing his face, jurors were told."
It is obvious before the world the Khalistani-separatist lunatics are the true kaam-krodhis, criminals and murderers... and their hate-filled, rage-provoking ideology of radical Talibani-like intolerance of anything Hindu and praising violence against even the unsuspecting, unarmed, and elders who do not share their sectarian religious views and instead concoct anything against Namdhari Panth, or Nirankaris, or any Sanatan group, or Hindus to justify their political gooda-ism. What is really deeply sad to me... is that it took a demon like KPS Gill to actually speak the truth about it... because Khalsa Panth is so enamored of the terrorists that it commits sins against the youth by complicity of silence. You accuse me of so many things... yet what Nationalism are Sikh Youth upholding? loyalty to non-existent Khalistan>? Loyalty to Britain? Canada? USA? Australia? Germany? Malaysia? ANYWHERE but MOTHERLAND? And now can do nothing less than advocate extremist hate for Hindus, and blind support of any foreign state or jihadi attempt to break apart India... well try that in UK, USA, Canada, Germany, Malaysia.. you'll find yourself on trial for treason and terrorism and disappear. What kind of insane political radicalism is that to teach the youth in the name of religion?
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Gursikhi is not about politics ever. No Namdhari ever supported Congress government pogrom against Sikhs, and every Sikh including Namdharis was included in those who were attacked. Namdharis do not support anti-India, anti-government militancy or acts of domestic terrorism. I personally am not a Namdhari, but they are not guilty of anything against Khalsa Panth... and neither do corrupted Kharkhoos and goondas who fired machine guns and ignited bombs targetting not only guilty but innocents as well fighting a "war of terror" against civilians out of revenge and stupidity...and running drugs into Punjab on behalf of Pakistani ISI... neither do they speak for what Sikhism is or isn't... and worse, those have swaroop of goondas and not of Guru's Sikhs.
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7 hours ago, chatanga1 said:
I'm not going to read through your essays. I have never done and won't start now.
Then you are incapable of discussion, and stick blindly to only one-side... but don't substitute dirtiest, corrupted politics for "religion."
QuoteHave the BJP done anything to bring the criminals of the indian state to justice? No. So they have been/are an instrument in denying justice. They are protecting the killers that belong to the indian state. So they are JUST AS responsible for the murders.
BJP is a political party. They are neither the government which ordered, sanctioned and perpetrated the killings... neither are they the Supreme Court of India, or Law Enforcement... and not being such are not responsible for the massive delays, destruction and tampering of evidence which Congress Party did to protect itself over decades, and thus impede investigations.
QuoteJagtar Singh Jaggi: "How do you now he committed the murders? Your fascist terrorist state hasn't proved anything in the 3 years he has been in jail."
I am neither judge, nor jury nor executioner,,, I have neither compiled evidence of his involvement or complicity, either direct or indirect. Neither is the government, except for the JUDICIARY and National Investigation Agency (NIA). What I do know is he has been CHARGED with funding Khalistan Liberation Force and targeted murders and there is enough evidence to hold him for trial. I believe he has the right to an attorney, to fair trial whether he can get one or not is not in my power. I believe he has the right to be safe from torture, whether that can change in current state of India is again not in my power. That said, how do you know he is innocent? And more pertinent, is it that you blindly stand behind and support Khalistan Liberation Force AND justify targeted killings that you support him?
Quote... is simply what you are. A fascist. And a terrorist supporter.
Perhaps it is the other way around.
QuoteThe absurd lengths you will go to to defend this terrorist hindutva regime is simply what you are. A fascist.
Two separate subjects. In the first place, you have not established with any evidence that current government of India is 1. "terrorist" or 2. "fascist." For a fact it is PRO-India, and therefore PRO-Nationalist. But that is where the comparison ends, because while Fascism is Nationalist... not every form of Nationalism is Fascist. Where did it become a sin to support one's own heritage, culture and country's interests above foreign instigators? Yes of course... under CONGRESS Party... which latched onto anti-Hindu agenda... and placed PSYCHOLOGICAL blame for it's OWN crimes against Sikhs starting in 1984 onto PRO-Hindu party, BJP... when in fact, everybody knows Indira Goonda married a Muslim orchestrated by Mohandas Gandhi, which is why he lent her the protection and power of his surname... And her favorite son Sanjay married Moneka Kaur, a Sikh... and oldest son Rajiv married Sonia Maino, an Italian Christian lady. And REASON for massive anti-Hindu communalism of Congress Party was that leading power "Gandhi" family WAS NOT HINDU!~ And because many of the events tearing apart India since it's inception were orchestrated by FOREIGN powers seeking to divide and conquer.
Fascism comes from the bundle of sticks tied together to protect an axe... because UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL. And when Knights stop protecting Maidens... they get taken into captivity and raped and married off to the enemy, and become another country. Yes, I am PROUDLY FASCIST. But India is not a fascist government, no matter how hard foreign controlled (and funded) ultra wealthy and corrupted "Gandhi" family claims. I do not support creating communal disharmony and divisions, or supporting divisive causes to break India apart to become another Bangladesh. That said, I do not support injustices and promote REFORM of major institutions which DIRTY MONEY AND CORRUPTEDS have compromised. It is Kaljug. You have neither proved, nor explained in what way violent political sins are to be blamed on HINDU RELIGION!~
The crimes of Congress cannot be honestly laid at feet of BJP. They alone bear that burden of blame... only psychological devices and political and media manipulations blame THEIR POLITICAL RIVALS FOR THEIR OWN DIRTY DEEDS!~The nobility of defending and protecting one's own heritage and culture (Hindu tattva, Hinduness, of the people of ancient Bharat along river Sindhu-location), which... yes every Sikh shares with Bharatiya culture, also known as land along the river Sindhu, Hindu. Even Muslim's from India have shared heritage and culture... do you think they are well served murdering Ahmadiyas and Sufis and Sant Mat unity importing "terroristic" and intolerant Saudi Arabian Sunni Wahhabi-Salafism or Afghani Talibanism? What part of Indian culture is that? At least Master Tara Singh was co-founder of Vishwa Hindu Parishad.
Khalistan will never exist. Blind support of terrorism against India will never go unpunished. Mental gymnastics to blame current government of India for crimes of Congress government is ludicrous. The hatred and blame of Hindu religion and people, in support of foreign terrorism against them, is shameful... and to place all that under umbrella of "SIKH RELIGION" is simply the evidence of Kaljug. Gursikhi is about LOVE, and defending the innocents from harm. Sikhi is about worship of the God whose name is TRUTH... and not political lies. -
4 hours ago, Soulfinder said:
Bhen ji true but now they have no use for the Sikh Panth especially since they didn't help in 1984 when we really needed it.
All Sikhs were targeted in 1984. Namdhari Panth didn't support the separatist state of Khalistan. You must differentiate what the allegation is... they didn't help Sikhs, or they didn't take up arms in support of anti-India militancy? for those are separate things. Khalistanis are not all Sikhs. Khalistan is not about Sikhism.
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4 hours ago, chatanga1 said:
No it's bhagwa which is more peach coloured than kesri.
"Nirmala teachings incorporated Sikh teachings and doctrines within a largely Hindu/Vedantic framework... At first Nirmalas wore only white garments but later adopted the ochre robes worn by Hindu ascetics, which is now a distinguishing mark of the sect, and shared some other practices, such as birth and death rites, with Hindus. They generally practise celibacy and are devoted to scriptural and philosophical study, but by tradition they are inclined towards classical Hindu Vedic philosophy. They wore saffron robes (symbolising saintliness and renunciation), and all were Keshdharis (Uncut hair)." https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Nirmala
QuoteThe BJP did nothing to bring justice to those murderers who did either, when they have the power to do so...
BJP did not order or sanction the murders as Congress Party did. Why are they charged as being more responsible than Congress?
QuoteJagtar Singh Jaggi
He committed murders which complicates his case. I too wish that there had been a general amnesty to all Sikh karkhoos in the 1990's, but I do not have that authority. That said there is no support or justification for continuing targeted murders against political opponents by those intending to continue militancy and separatist war long past the point of any realistic outcome. That's just a fool's errand. These misguided extremists just become pawns for foreign countries, traitors, spies, terrorists... to any country in the world and no one can help them. I have never condemned him, nor advocated for him as I cannot absolve him from his murder charges either.
His destiny belongs to laws of the country where he committed his crimes, Karma and God and with the souls of those he wronged, especially if they were legitimate targets of warfare, or he committed cowardly acts of ambush for political murder. His case has nothing to do with the topic of riots over Citizenship Amnesty Bill.
QuoteLike you do about the Khalistan movement?
Best of luck creating a separatist Sikh state called Khalistan smack in the middle of nuclear Pakistan and nuclear India... Sikh Panth does not even accept most traditional sanatan and monay Sikhs... that reduces population of Sikhs dramatically and makes it doubtful you could even populate a Khalistan. I think, logically and rationally Khalistan is never, ever going to exist. Urging people to agitate and fight for it is just a death sentence for nothing. Better advocate people attend university and become doctors, lawyers, businessmen, IT specialists, etc. There is no longer a Khalistan "movement" worth fighting and dying for. What is promised in future is not a separate country of Sikh people... but a world transformed by Mahapurakhs under one true Dharm.
QuoteYou were the one who parroted kps gill's views from his book ad verbatim.
KPS Gill no doubt was a rapist and murderer, and he will pay. No one gets away with anything. That said, even devils can sometimes speak the truth. He was also right about foreign manipulation of Kharkhoos by China and Pakistan... and about radicalized "jihadi" kharkhoo goondas (I cannot call them disciples/Sikhs of sat Guru Sahibaan) who had an agenda of mass murder of whoever did not support treasonous, violent Khalistan movement. And they continued this agenda of disruption, intimidation, robbery and murder long past the point of any actual possibility of Khalistan. I'm sorry but blowing up planes, buses with innocents, elders, women and children is terrorism. Hiding behind some notion of "revenge" for 1984, without targeting the actual culprits is simply jumping into an ocean of murders.
QuoteIt's why she isn't liked anywhere in Sikh circles.
I didn't lose anything to separate from persons who drag dirtiest corrupted politics into "religion" and then justify any criminality that supports their political agenda... and advocates hatred, ostracism and targeting for violence against actual religious teachings, practices and beliefs with an intolerance only matched by Taliban. After all, I received over 14 death threats and 1 threat of rape from Sikh community... and have not ever advocated violence towards anyone at all... only to promote reconciliation which doesn't come from fanning the flames of rage or blaming the wrong people for crimes committed by others. I will tell the truth... murderers of Sikhs in 1984 were not true Hindus. Khalistani separatists who committed bloodbath of murders against indiscriminate targets were not real Sikhs. Now that we know this, let's promote forgiveness, respect, brotherhood and blessing between all people. I do not condone wrongdoing. Why should you? If you want to overcome police brutality, become a moral policeman. If you want to overcome laws of injustice become a lawyer and judge.
QuoteLike the Akalis, however, they found only a few who could be swayed by their psalms of terror. To most, their falsehood was apparent from the outset. But those who did not believe them remained silent. Those who believed them, killed for their convictions. And many more joined in the slaughter, for profit, for greed, for power, for lust, for drugs, or for the opiate of the sheer freedom from moral restraint that terrorism represented.
Some of the believers still survive; they will, eventually, seek to revive and extend their fraternity of strife. As long as the myth persists, it will find its votaries. It is the myth, consequently, that we must contend with.
Who were the victims of these ‘defenders of the Sikh Faith’? Of a total of 11,694 persons killed by terrorists in Punjab during the period 1981-1993, 7,139 - more than 61 per cent - were Sikhs.
The most dramatic killings, the ones that were projected to the greatest extent by the terrorists themselves, were always of the Hindus, or of other ‘enemies of the Faith’, such as the ‘apostate Sant Nirankaris’. But the most consistent victims, and perhaps the most dreaded opponents of the terrorists, were Sikhs. The terrorists claimed to speak for the entire Panth. Thus, any Sikhs who questioned their authority to do so, who questioned their actions, who exposed the immorality of their methods was a far greater danger to them than the Hindus could ever be. They threatened the credibility of the great myth. And they, above all others, had to die for it." - K.P.S. Gill.
https://www.satp.org/satporgtp/publication/nightsoffalsehood/falsehood4.htm
Why did the Khalistan movement and Sikh militancy not bring any blessing to anyone? Why did it bring only corrupted, ultra wealthy goodas, drugs, prostitution, unbelievable violence and fear? Why did it separate "true" Sikhs from Sikhs determined "worthy of death" for being sanatan, pro-Hindu, or pro-India? Why did it spark violent attacks and murders against deray, where militants could not create hatred, they created terror. Do you think THIS is how you will get your Khalistan, your state of the Pure ones?
And government run by who? those colluding with Pakistani ISI and behind them atheistic, mass murdering Communist China? This state if it ever came to exist at all... would be a despised hell on earth... and the blood of so many misguided fools and murdered innocents would curse it's name.
Quote"Sources said that Paramjit Singh Panjwar, chief of Khalistan Commando Force, a terrorist organisation, is based in Lahore since 1994, whereas his wife and two sons live in Frankfurt in Germany. The nexus has been exposed after massive seizures of drugs shipped from Pakistan by the Coast Guards of the Maldives, Sri Lanka and India in recent months.Sources said that Pakistan is using neighbouring countries, particularly Sri Lanka and the Maldives to pump drugs into India." https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ani/pak-based-khalistani-terrorists-smuggling-drugs-to-fuel-militancy-in-punjab-119071400798_1.html
You don't like Sant Nirankari's so just throw grenades at them while they are praying with family and children... THIS is what you call KHALSA? This will bring you pain, destruction and hell, in this life and in lives to come. Khalistan is death even more than it is dead. It has no blessing at all from any God.
Quote"The Khalistan Liberation Force (KLF) and the International Sikh Youth Federation (ISYF) were involved in the November 2018 grenade attack at a weekly congregation of the Nirankari sect in Punjab's Amritsar district... Two masked men came on a motorcycle to the Nirankari congregation at Adliwal village on the outskirts of Amritsar on November 18, 2018. Forcing their way in by brandishing a pistol, they lobbed a grenade into the prayer hall killing three people and injuring 20. Ahir also said that in order to avert terror incidents in the country, there was a close and effective coordination mechanism between intelligence and security agencies at the Centre and the state level. https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/khalistan-groups-behind-amritsar-grenade-attack-minister-119021200908_1.html
God blesses those who support authentic justice and peace. Our own sins will punish those who advocate pain to innocents no matter how deep the delusion of justification.
Hatred is never defeated by hatred... only by love.
Quote“He abused me, attacked me, Defeated me, robbed me!” For those carrying on like this, Hatred does not end.
Hatred never ends through hatred. By non-hate alone does it end. This is an ancient truth."https://www.lionsroar.com/in-translation-the-inexhaustable-dhammapada/
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12 hours ago, Jageera said:
I agree with this statement and wish that you too accept and practice your own advice penji. Being an apologist for murderous rioters is equivalent to being an accomplice.
Eh? Can you please cut and paste and show me where I have advocated in support of rioting, criminality, rape and murder? Where did I justify such things or even accept the news articles had told the whole truth? No, I told it was deliberate propaganda by nerfarious foreign forces including USA, Bangladesh, Pakistan, China, Russia, Israeli to create problems for India and stage incidents and provoke people to commit harms against their neighbors. I also said such persons who commit evil doing will reap those karams in this life and suffer pains in the next. Why do you insist on bearing false witness to lie about what I say>? In what way have I become an accomplice, to advocate or defend rioters? I urged you to investigate the true situation and not blame or instigate harm against Hindus as you are doing. And more, you have deliberately posted to frame these riots as something against Sikh community, for which to compare with 1984. What began in 1984 was more than 10,000 murders and went on with impunity for over 25 years to involve many thousands more... and was in fact "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" committed by Congress Party officially with sanction... and there is no parallel for what has happened here.
You write:QuoteIt's just sad that on a "Sikh" forum, a Sikh can't voice out his opinion without being attacked.
I am not attacking you as a Sikh. To be honest bhaiji, right now nothing you have posted reflects on Sikh community at all, I view as merely your opinions. You say all these bad things against Hindus then hide behind Sikhi. Nothing here has anything to do with any religion, no less Gursikhi. I am confronting the irresponsibility of your spreading the most inflammatory depiction of the recent riots, in the most anti-Hindu way imaginable... which literally invited Hindu hatred within Sikh community... and all this over the Citizenship Amendment Bill intended to protect those including Sikh community from extremism within neighboring countries which in fact have been infiltrated by Saudi funded extremists... as Narendra Modi says... why have these not protested the millions of murders and rapes committed in Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan against vulnerable people whom the Citizenship Bill is intending to protect?
44 murders in riots is horrible. Some of those killed were also Hindus. Let's just tell the whole truth and stop judging along communal lines. Citizenship Bill is not in any way anti-Muslim. Is there anything to protect Indian origin people of non-Muslim religion in those Muslim countries? Yet, you do not even offer balanced perspective in your "voice of protest." And THAT is all I said.QuoteJust because I disagree with someones view doesn't make them my enemy that I have to hound them from thread to thread.I am not your enemy even if you may perceive me as such.
What is true is that I have my views. I have made my mind. I refused to be silenced on it.Is that too much to ask?I don't go around burying others people thread.I believe I have that right and will carry on to do so.
I am hounding you now to reply to 2 threads that I find highly anti-Hindu and unfairly feed into the kind of communalism creating violence? Reflect, maybe there is a better way to conduct news reporting than throw all sorts of blame and hatred against only Hindus, and not even investigating what about the Citizenship Bill is problematic, or what foreign instigators have hijacked media to stage incidents during American President's visit to India? Especially problematic should be ignoring calls for peace and for people to stop being influenced by overly dramatic fake news that itself is creating provocation and incidents.
QuoteGo and preach to your fellow rapists and murderers about brotherhood and goodwill first then come lecture me.
Please go and do japa, and then tell me how I create out of you, my brother, to be an enemy when the opposite is the case.
QuoteAs the Delhi violence came under control of the police, rumors and misinformation continue to flow unabated. On Sunday, there were strong rumors of riots in several parts of Delhi. The administration immediately swung into action, and assured the residents through various platforms that no untoward thing took place. Further, it appealed to people not to believe the rumors.
However, it is a certain kind of misinformation and malicious, propaganda that is taking place on media platforms that one should be more concerned with.
The violence in Delhi has taken the lives of both Hindus and Muslims. The alleged role of people like Tahir Hussain in spreading violence with petrol bombs and bricks came out in open with prima-facie evidence. Even then, some opinion makers in their relentless pursuit to present it as ‘pogrom’ are coming up with one-sided versions and advices that works to rub salt on the wounds of Delhi riot victims." https://www.thetruepicture.org/fake-news-delhi-violence-saba-naqvi-rana-ayub-pogrom-propoganda/
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I think you are not accurate labeling King Ravana as a Devil as wasn't he of both Brahmin and Rakshas birth?So he was 50/50.Still doesn't make him a Devil.And when they say birth from union of brahmin and rakshas,the rakshas could mean low caste women. And where did his power come from? Wasn't it from Shiva,a major deity in the hindu trimurthi? Why would Shiva give a Devil superpower,doesn't make sense.
Rakshasa does nowhere mean "low caste woman" but terrible devil of aggressive quality such to be man-eater. You assert Ravana wasn't devil yet admit he was born from devil yoni. Okay. This is not Christianity, and it is not Satan forever condemned. Everyone contains within them pervading Absolute Lord, and through Nama japa will attain liberation, even devils. Prahlad was also son of Devil King Hiranyakashipu. What is the difference between them bhaiji? "Hindu-ism" is a big religion, with many sects, and people who speak different languages. Some even worship Ravan. You write:
QuoteWasn't it from Shiva,a major deity in the hindu trimurthi? Why would Shiva give a Devil superpower,doesn't make sense.
a major deity in the hindu trimurthi? Lol, okay. You really ought to study this subject more in-depth but I will do my best to clear things.
The trimurthi is what? what's a murthi? A FORM. The trimurthi is equivalent to Trey gunas. In this aspect Lord Shiva is part of material creation, and also what aspect of trey gunas? RAJO. And what is rajo quality? Action, passion, anger. For this reason Lord Shiva is also known as Lord of the demons. The Trimurthi are also known as aspects of what? BRAHMAN, the Absolute which is not the same concept as Brahma, which in contracted form is part of the trimurthi. So, we can be clear to distinguish BRAHMAN/PARABRAHM from the Brahma of Trey gunas.
Likewise, this "major deity" concept of yours is fundamentally flawed because why? Does not every living being consist in some material aspect of the trey gunas as qualities of nature? So the entire material creation is composed of these... what are lyrically described as trimurthi. Ravan has composed Shiva Tandava Stotram which, incidentally, describes Lord Shiva as leader of bhootas. Lord Shiva as Trimurthi is aspect of what? Destruction. Lord Shiva is Rudra रुद्र, the god who cries out, or howls or roars.
Devils and angels exist because of duality. Good and evil exists because of duality. But there is a balance between them which differs from yuga to yuga. The Absolute Lord sends his avatars (forms) on the Earth to keep the balance to protect the Dharma, to preserve the creation from self-annihilation. Many powerful beings have harnessed powers of destruction. In Kaljug the evil force is ascendant... as a form of purgation. Gurbani says:Quoteਸਾਮ ਵੇਦੁ ਰਿਗੁ ਜੁਜਰੁ ਅਥਰਬਣੁ ॥
Saam Vaedh Rig Jujar Athharaban ||
The Saam Veda, the Rig Veda, the Jujar Veda and the At'harva Veda
ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮਃ ੧) (੧੭) ੯:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੩੮ ਪੰ. ੧
Raag Maaroo Guru Nanak Devਬ੍ਰਹਮੇ ਮੁਖਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਹੈ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ॥
Brehamae Mukh Maaeiaa Hai Thrai Gun ||
Form the mouth of Brahma; they speak of the three gunas, the three qualities of Maya.
ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮਃ ੧) (੧੭) ੯:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੩੮ ਪੰ. ੧
Raag Maaroo Guru Nanak Devਤਾ ਕੀ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਕਹਿ ਨ ਸਕੈ ਕੋ ਤਿਉ ਬੋਲੇ ਜਿਉ ਬੋਲਾਇਦਾ ॥੯॥
Thaa Kee Keemath Kehi N Sakai Ko Thio Bolae Jio Bolaaeidhaa ||9||
None of them can describe His worth. We speak as He inspires us to speak. ||9||
ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮਃ ੧) (੧੭) ੯:੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੩੮ ਪੰ. ੧
Raag Maaroo Guru Nanak Devਸੁੰਨਹੁ ਸਪਤ ਪਾਤਾਲ ਉਪਾਏ ॥
Sunnahu Sapath Paathaal Oupaaeae ||
From the Primal Void, He created the seven nether regions.
ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮਃ ੧) (੧੭) ੧੦:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੩੮ ਪੰ. ੨
Raag Maaroo Guru Nanak Devਸੁੰਨਹੁ ਭਵਣ ਰਖੇ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਏ ॥
Sunnahu Bhavan Rakhae Liv Laaeae ||
From the Primal Void, He established this world to lovingly dwell upon Him.
ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮਃ ੧) (੧੭) ੧੦:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੩੮ ਪੰ. ੨
Raag Maaroo Guru Nanak Devਆਪੇ ਕਾਰਣੁ ਕੀਆ ਅਪਰੰਪਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਤੇਰੋ ਕੀਆ ਕਮਾਇਦਾ ॥੧੦॥
Aapae Kaaran Keeaa Aparanpar Sabh Thaero Keeaa Kamaaeidhaa ||10||
The Infinite Lord Himself created the creation. Everyone acts as You make them act, Lord. ||10||
ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮਃ ੧) (੧੭) ੧੦:੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੩੮ ਪੰ. ੩
Raag Maaroo Guru Nanak Devਰਜ ਤਮ ਸਤ ਕਲ ਤੇਰੀ ਛਾਇਆ ॥
Raj Tham Sath Kal Thaeree Shhaaeiaa ||
Your Power is diffused through the three gunas: raajas, taamas and satva.
ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮਃ ੧) (੧੭) ੧੧:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੩੮ ਪੰ. ੩
Raag Maaroo Guru Nanak Devਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਹਉਮੈ ਦੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
Janam Maran Houmai Dhukh Paaeiaa ||
Through egotism, they suffer the pains of birth and death.
ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮਃ ੧) (੧੭) ੧੧:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੩੮ ਪੰ. ੪
Raag Maaroo Guru Nanak Devਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਗੁਣਿ ਚਉਥੈ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਕਰਾਇਦਾ ॥੧੧॥
Jis No Kirapaa Karae Har Guramukh Gun Chouthhai Mukath Karaaeidhaa ||11||
Those blessed by His Grace become Gurmukh; they attain the fourth state, and are liberated. ||11||
ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮਃ ੧) (੧੭) ੧੧:੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੩੮ ਪੰ. ੪
Raag Maaroo Guru Nanak Devਸੁੰਨਹੁ ਉਪਜੇ ਦਸ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥
Sunnahu Oupajae Dhas Avathaaraa ||
From the Primal Void, the ten incarnations welled up.
ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮਃ ੧) (੧੭) ੧੨:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੩੮ ਪੰ. ੫
Raag Maaroo Guru Nanak Devਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਉਪਾਇ ਕੀਆ ਪਾਸਾਰਾ ॥
Srisatt Oupaae Keeaa Paasaaraa ||
Creating the Universe, He made the expanse.
ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮਃ ੧) (੧੭) ੧੨:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੩੮ ਪੰ. ੫
Raag Maaroo Guru Nanak Devਦੇਵ ਦਾਨਵ ਗਣ ਗੰਧਰਬ ਸਾਜੇ ਸਭਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਇਦਾ ॥੧੨॥
Dhaev Dhaanav Gan Gandhharab Saajae Sabh Likhiaa Karam Kamaaeidhaa ||12||
He fashioned the demi-gods and demons, the heavenly heralds and celestial musicians; everyone acts according to their past karma. ||12||
ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ (ਮਃ ੧) (੧੭) ੧੨:੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੦੩੮ ਪੰ. ੫
Raag Maaroo Guru Nanak Dev
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10 hours ago, Jageera said:
Well that is your belief not mine penji. To me pointing out something that doesn't exist in the SGGS does not amount to any blasphemy. SGGS never talks about worship of Ram son of Dasrath.
Since you seem not to possess reading comprehension, allow me to copy paste what I wrote... because I never said worship of Ram son of Dasrath... but I did say, and Gurbani says the NAM of Ram son of Dasrath (sarguna) is used to invoke the Absolute Lord who is nirguna, and therefore without NAM.
QuoteWhy make sarcasm against Lord Ram whose Naam happens to be sacred bani in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Mahraaj over 8,000 times.
You have proved yourself several times to lie, distort and evade the issues. Gurbani says:
Quoteਸੋਈ ਰਾਮੁ ਸਭੈ ਕਹਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਕਉਤਕਹਾਰ ॥੧੯੦॥
Soee Raam Sabhai Kehehi Soee Kouthakehaar ||190||
Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord. ||190||
ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੧੯੦):੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੪ ਪੰ. ੧੪
Salok Bhagat Kabirਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ॥
Kabeer Raam Kehan Mehi Bhaedh Hai Thaa Mehi Eaek Bichaar ||
Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider.
ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੧੯੦):੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੪ ਪੰ. ੧੪
Salok Bhagat Kabirਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮੈ ਰਾਮ ਕਹੁ ਕਹਿਬੇ ਮਾਹਿ ਬਿਬੇਕ ॥
Kabeer Raamai Raam Kahu Kehibae Maahi Bibaek ||
Kabeer, use the word 'Raam', only to speak of the All-pervading Lord. You must make that distinction.
ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੧੯੧):੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੪ ਪੰ. ੧੫
Salok Bhagat Kabirਏਕੁ ਅਨੇਕਹਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਗਇਆ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨਾ ਏਕ ॥੧੯੧॥
Eaek Anaekehi Mil Gaeiaa Eaek Samaanaa Eaek ||191||
One 'Raam' is pervading everywhere, while the other is contained only in himself. ||191||
ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੧੯੧):੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੪ ਪੰ. ੧੫
Salok Bhagat KabirWhy have they used NAM of son of Dasrath? As I wrote, because Lord Ram was Trey Yug Avtar (sarguna) of the Absolute Nirgun Lord and Paramjyot, else his NAM would not be boat of mukti.
QuoteBhai Gurdas Vaaran - Waheguru mantar ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ
ਸਤਿਜੁਗ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਵਾਸਦੇਵ ਵਵਾ ਵਿਸਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ।Satijugi Satigur Vaasadayv Vavaa Visanaa Naamu Japaavai |
In Satyug, Visnu in the form of Vasudev is said to have incarnated and ‘V’ Of Vahiguru reminds of Visnu.
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੧
ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹਾਹਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ।
Duaapari Satigur Haree Krisan Haahaa Hari Hari Naamu Japaavai |
The true Guru of dvapar is said to be Harikrsna and ‘H’ of Vahiguru reminds of Hari.
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੨
ਤ੍ਰੇਤੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਰਾਮ ਜੀ ਰਾਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਜਪੇ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵੈ।
Taytay Satigur Raam Jee Raaraa Raam Japay Sukhu Paavai |
In the the treta was Ram and ‘R’ of Vahiguru tells that remembering Ram will produce joy and happiness.
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੩
ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਗਗਾ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਲਾਵੈ।
Kalijugi Naanak Gur Gobind Gagaa Gobind Naamu Alaavai |
In kalijug, Gobind is in the form of Nanak and ‘G’ of Vahiguru gets Govind recited.
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੪
ਚਾਰੇ ਜਾਗੇ ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗੀ ਪੰਚਾਇਣ ਵਿਚਿ ਜਾਇ ਸਮਾਵੈ।
Chaaray Jaagay Chahu Jugee Panchaain Vichi Jaai Samaavai |
The recitations o f all the four ages subsume in Panchayan i.e. in the soul of the common man.
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੫
ਚਾਰੋ ਅਛਰ ਇਕੁ ਕਰਿ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜਪੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਜਪਾਵੈ।
Chaaro Achhar Iku Kari Vaahaguroo Japu Mantr Japaavai |
When joining four letters Vahiguru is remembered,
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੬
ਜਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਉਪਜਿਆ ਫਿਰਿ ਤਹਾਂ ਸਮਾਵੈ ॥੪੯॥੧॥
Jahaa Tay Upajiaa Firi Tahaa Samaavai ||49 ||1 ||
The jiv merges again in its origin.
ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੭
You write:
QuoteIf that view is in your view offensive tell me what you would like to be redacted and I have no problem obliging.I am not in the business of hurting the feelings of others penji. I don't hate any dharma but hate it when others try to walk over my head and try to rule over me.I reject sovereignty of any other dharam over Sikhi.
Sikhi is what, new religion based on ancient and eternal Dharm. How can there be question of "sovereignty" or "lordship over" what is essentially the same eternal teaching? Are Guru Sahibaan not jyoti jyot Param jyot? And is Param Jyot not 'One without a Second?' And is not "Hindu" a location, and Eternal Dharma the religion? So, what is Sikhi if not discipleship of true Guru Sahibaan who are God conscious and therefore One Jyot of the eternal Lord who gives the world one eternal Dharma? I am not talking sectarianism... you are. All beings in the world contain the Absolute One Lord pervading (vis, from Sanskrit Vishnu, all pervading) within the heart (antharjami). All... Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, Parsis, Jains, Shaivites, Vaishnavas, Shaktas, Vama Margis... ALL!~ There is ONE eternal Dharma and it is NOT within the confines of "religion."
It is merely, the "truth."
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11 hours ago, Jageera said:
Lol, please don't quote Baba Farid to justify ethnic cleansing.
An ethnic cleansing is it... with what, 44 people dead in riots? This is simply deliberate and absurd exaggeration intending to inflame passion of others. Baba Sheikh Farid is saying everyone's house is on fire... because it is true and all should reflect on his wisdom. The one who starts a fire is burning even more. Also, to claim my post is used to "justify" ethnic cleansing is deliberate false witness against what I wrote, and the spirit of healing the communal divide in which I wrote. But you have to live with who you are. Krodhi people go to hell. Suggest you calm yourself and pray for peace.
May truth prevail.
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eṣa prajāpatir yad hṛdayam, etad brahma, etad sarvam. -Brihadaranyaka Upanishad
('This Lord of all created beings is the Heart within us, this is God Himself, this is All.')Quoteਹਿਰਦੈ ਜਗਜੀਵਨੁ ਸਦ ਵਸਿਆ ਤਜਿ ਕਾਮੁ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰਾ ॥
Hiradhai Jagajeevan Sadh Vasiaa Thaj Kaam Krodhh Ahankaaraa ||
The Lord, the Life of the world, ever abides in his heart, and he renounces sexual desire, anger and egotism.
ਸੋਰਠਿ (ਮਃ ੩) (੭) ੨:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੬੦੨ ਪੰ. ੧੧
Raag Sorath Guru Amar Dasਸਦਾ ਹਜੂਰਿ ਰਵਿਆ ਸਭ ਠਾਈ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥
Sadhaa Hajoor Raviaa Sabh Thaaee Hiradhai Naam Apaaraa ||
The Lord is ever-present, permeating and pervading all places; the Name of the Infinite Lord is enshrined within the heart.
ਸੋਰਠਿ (ਮਃ ੩) (੭) ੨:੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੬੦੨ ਪੰ. ੧੧
Raag Sorath Guru Amar DasQuoteआविः संनिहितं गुहाचरन्नाम महत्पदमत्रैतत्समर्पितम् ।
एजत्प्राणन्निमिषच्च यदेतज्जानथ सदसद्वरेण्यं परं विज्ञानाद्यद्वरिष्ठं प्रजानाम् ॥ १ ॥āviḥ saṃnihitaṃ guhācarannāma mahatpadamatraitatsamarpitam |
ejatprāṇannimiṣacca yadetajjānatha sadasadvareṇyaṃ paraṃ vijñānādyadvariṣṭhaṃ prajānām || 1 ||
'The Luminous Brahman moves within the heart and is the great support of all; in Him is centered everything that moves, breathes and blinks. O disciples, know that to be your Self—that which is both gross and subtle, which is adorable, supreme and beyond the reach of man's knowledge and highest of all.' (Mundaka Upanishad 2.2.1)QuoteMantra 11
eko devaḥ sarvabhūteṣu gūḍhaḥ sarvavyāpī sarvabhūtāntarātmā /
karmādhyakṣaḥ sarvabhūtādhivāsaḥ sākṣī cetā kevalo nirguṇaś ca // 6.11 //The non-dual and resplendent Lord is hidden in all beings. All-pervading, the inmost Self of all creatures, the impeller to actions, abiding in all things, He is the Witness, the Animator and the Absolute, free from gunas. He is the one without a second, yet he is hidden in every being. He is all pervasive, the Self of all. He gives to all beings the fruits of their actions, and he is the support of all. He is the witness, bestower of consciousness, without attributes and unconditioned.
Bhagvad Gita says
upadrashtaanumantaa cha bhartaa bhoktaa maheshwarah
paramaatmeti chaapyukto dehe'smin purushah parah // 13.23 //
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7 hours ago, Jageera said:
I will name my thread whatever I want. I don't need your approval.It is a fact that hindus are raping and murdering,what else do you want me to name this thread as?
Amazing that now as riots are calming down you are still here preaching the same sectarian destructiveness with exaggerated news stories many with fake news sources, and hatred and blame only of Hindus, to make Hindus into a target of violence and retaliation. How can it be a comparison with 1984 when, above all it was not a pogrom killing thousands deliberately targeted by Congress Government for simply being Sikhs... but a riot with groups of people fighting each other... because foreign and political agitators were making sure they could not come to an understanding over Citizenship Bill.
Now you are here doing your best to make sure everyone sees only the most outrageous claims, even as situation on the ground is beginning to settle. Honestly you care nothing for Hindu loss of life or Muslim attacks. At least I can honestly say both sides were acting sinfully and stupidly for manipulated reasons... and mark my words, those who committed sins will suffer for it in this life and in lives to come. No one get's away with wrong-doing. It is foolish to get inflamed over manipulated incidents making other people's sinfulness a part of your own. Everybody needs to clean their mind and raise their consciousness, because we can't bring about justice from hatred.. only by virtues of truth, fairness, proper judgement, sincere concern for humanity, and yes, love and prayer for something better. Our "tapas" of suffering in Kaljug is going to bring about the purity and joy of Satjug. So let's start practicing now for better future for everyone. (This was, after all, the whole point of Punjab's Sant Mat and Gursikhi movements that Hindu and Mussulman BOTH practiced true religion and justice to fix the problems of the world... out of this we got remarkable and wonderful Hindu and Muslim sants that taught great things that we can all admire and respect.)
Om Shanti Shanti Shanti
Quote"I thought I was alone who suffered. I went on top of the house, and found every house on fire." - Baba Sheikh Farid
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6 hours ago, Jageera said:
I am not a desperate propagandist like you. I just take quotes from the site and post it here according what I know is the truth. The fact that rape and murder apologists like you are on this site twisting and turning everything to fit your ugly hindutva ideology is proof that i am on the right path.
Go and preach to your fellow rapists and murderers about brotherhood and goodwill first then come lecture me.
1. Hindutva is a POLITICAL movement which is nationalist and promoting advancement of Hindu religion and culture. That said, it is not the same thing as the religion of Sanatana Dharma. I have met some persons who were RSS and drunkards, and never do any pious act or religious observance at all. I have met very pious and holy persons as well who support protection of Hindu Tattva in India from massive leftist misrepresentation and congressi politics of divide and conquer. I think even in purely political realm to be honest, you would have to be judicious in who you accuse of being bad... else you simply bear false witness to lie and slander to promote anti-Hindu hatred.
2. We have discussed issue behind the rioting which you are posting about... that being Citizenship Amendment Bill, which as yet you seem incapable of speaking for likely knowing nothing about... all you have done is regurgitate the most radical, factional, and even exposed lies which congressi media has flamed into international drama. And your reply is then to launch personal attack against me for having a response to your inflammatory posting. Now you call me a fellow rapist and murderer. Wow, I feel sorry for your sankalpa. As you think, so you become, despite whom you falsely accuse. Not only are you fanning the flames of hatred over quite awful riots... but you trash anyone in support of Hindu as being a rapist and murderer.... My prayer and intention for you is much better and higher than this bhaiji. Maybe you should practice Naam kamai and clean the dirtiness of your mental mirror bhaiji. It will bring you peace, happiness, long life, and respect for others. Join me in prayers for peace of India, and healing for all who have suffered injustice from rioting... regardless of religious affiliation. Do yourself a favor, investigate issues more deeply, be fair, prayerful and honest so that you do not become a mouthpiece for demons, for that only promotes violence and hatred, and lies. Let's promote truth and understanding in all things.
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6 hours ago, Jageera said:
Sri Guru Granth Sahib does not talk about Ram,son of King Dasrath when the word 'Ram' is used. We are not interested in that guy. He has nothing to do with Sikhi.
...In fact I will take 1 step further and say that Ram son of Dasrath was a mega loser who couldnt take care of his own wife.
Lakshman was a rapist who outraged the modesty of Shurpanikha,sister of King Ravan, hence the term 'cutting her nose'.She was raped by lakshman who as usual of high cast hindus,just see the lower caste women as sex toys.Ravan had to avenge his sister but even he did not stoop as low as lakshman and left sita untouched.Some sources say sita was actually happier with King Ravan,a real man than with her eunuch husband Ram son of Dasrath.
Ram son of Dasrath was also a mega racist who went on killing low caste saints for performing penance for fear that they would become brahmins....
Please don't blaspheme the holy Granth of us Sikhs by equating this rubbish low class characters with us Sikhs.
Wow, talk about blasphemy of Holy Granth and hatred of Hindu Dharma. We could engage in long, controversial and in-depth discussion. But that isn't really the point. Let me try to simplify:
Quote"One of avtars of vishnu of treta yog who is called maryada purshotum, who fought with ravana to got his wife back and said her to went through agni prikhsha. Ramayana and Ramcharitar Manas are granth in which ram word is used. Rama word is also used in Guru Granth Sahib sometimes for Lord Rama and sometimes for that God akaal murat." https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Lord_Rama
What's an avatar? (It's sargun swaroop in human birth). What does Gurbani say an Avatar is? (It says is sargun swaroop in human birth, subject to troubles and failings of Maya). And... Lord Ram of Avodhya, son of Dasrath who fought demon-king Ravana for his wife... is described in Guru bani as... sargun AVTAR of Supreme Lord (absolute Akal which is nirguna that includes in fullness also sarguna). Now, for an absolute fact, when Nama japa includes nam of Lord Ram... it is NOT a boat of mukti to chant name of dead man from Avodia. But WITHIN the dead body of sargun swaroop of Lord Ram as Avtar of Absolute Lord Nirguna... was Param jyot... and so this NAMA of RAMA in Absolute aspect is part of Gurbani... because no one can jap nirguna, without form, without NAM.
So, this Holy NAM which is boat of liberation is also RAM... because why? Because the avtar was jyoti jyot param jyot of Absolute Lord.
You write:QuoteI will take 1 step further and say that Ram son of Dasrath was a mega loser... Ram son of Dasrath was also a mega racist who went on killing low caste saints...
I'm so sorry you were educated by fanatic haters, but this is not the teaching of Sanatana Dharma. Neither is it the teaching of Shri Guru Granth Sahib ji Mahraaj. It is above all things, massively bad reinterpretation distorted for political problems since ages, and recently by communal factions. What is a SHUDRA? It is by definition a low-class person whose mind cannot comprehend complexities of religious observance. We could have long, controversial discussion about Jati-varna system, British Raj distortions of Manu Smritis, and British Raj era divide and conquer tactics to push Brahmin hatred and also Untouchable hatred. But... these old problems have not to do with the actual Lord Ram of Avodhya. He did not at any time KILL SAINTS. He killed SINNERS who acted in defiance of Dharma. In time of Mughal Raj, Brahminvadi was so corrupted that yes, Shudra Brahmins were murdering and mistreating Arya Shudras who were actual Sants.
Quotekilling low caste saints for performing penance for fear that they would become brahmins
No. Lord Ram killed Shambuka because his actions defied the Dharma of the yuga and brought bad karma to the Kingdom. It was done to preserve the balance of the era. For one thing, you cannot judge between the ages by the same standard, because things are not the same.
Quoteਸੋਈ ਰਾਮੁ ਸਭੈ ਕਹਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਕਉਤਕਹਾਰ ॥੧੯੦॥
Soee Raam Sabhai Kehehi Soee Kouthakehaar ||190||
Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord. ||190||
ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੧੯੦):੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੪ ਪੰ. ੧੪
Salok Bhagat Kabirਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ॥
Kabeer Raam Kehan Mehi Bhaedh Hai Thaa Mehi Eaek Bichaar ||
Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider.
ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੧੯੦):੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੪ ਪੰ. ੧੪
Salok Bhagat Kabirਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮੈ ਰਾਮ ਕਹੁ ਕਹਿਬੇ ਮਾਹਿ ਬਿਬੇਕ ॥
Kabeer Raamai Raam Kahu Kehibae Maahi Bibaek ||
Kabeer, use the word 'Raam', only to speak of the All-pervading Lord. You must make that distinction.
ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੧੯੧):੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੪ ਪੰ. ੧੫
Salok Bhagat Kabirਏਕੁ ਅਨੇਕਹਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਗਇਆ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨਾ ਏਕ ॥੧੯੧॥
Eaek Anaekehi Mil Gaeiaa Eaek Samaanaa Eaek ||191||
One 'Raam' is pervading everywhere, while the other is contained only in himself. ||191||
ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੧੯੧):੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੪ ਪੰ. ੧੫
Salok Bhagat KabirIt is clear distinction between sarguna and nirguna... but nirguna has not got any NAM therefore, per Bhagat Kabirji, himself a HINDU RamNaami wrote this bani, RAM son of Dasrath is the Nam, but with concentration on the Param jyot aspect and not the physical sargun avtar.
Now, if sargun avtar has given Lord's NAME... why treat it with such hostility, hatred and disrespect?
Quote"In the Treta Yuga, brahmins and warriors practiced asceticism and the rest were under the supreme obligation of obedience, proper to the Vaishya and Shudra classes; the Shudras' duty being to serve the other three. O Great King, in the Dwapara Yuga, untruth and evil increased, unrighteousness having placed a second foot on the earth, and then the Vaishyas began to practice penance, so that dharma, in the form of asceticism, was performed by the three castes, but the Shudras were not permitted to undertake it during that time, O Foremost of Men. O Prince, a man of the lowest caste may not give himself up to penance in the Dwapara Yuga; it is only in the Kali Yuga that the practice of asceticism is permitted to the Shudra caste. During the Dwapara Yuga it is a great crime for one of Shudra birth to perform such practices. At this time, in thine empire, a rigid penance is being undertaken by a wretched Shudra, O Prince, and this is the cause of the death of that child. An act of mortification that is prescribed is well done and a sixth of the merit goes to the king who rules with justice. But how should he, who does not protect his people, enjoy the sixth portion? O Lion among Men, thou should investigate the happenings in thy kingdom and put down evil wherever it is practised, so righteousness may flourish, man's life be prolonged and the child be revived." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shambuka
We can get into big long debates, current history of casteism like Ambedkar's opinions and so forth, but here is simplest dialogue explaining what is missing from modern understanding. Ravana did tapasya as well, but not because he was a sant... he was devil and did such practices for POWER to act against devatay, and to harm others.
Quote"The part of Ramayana that talks of Shambuka is considered by most scholars as an interpolation. Most probably Valmiki never wrote that story. However, Rama’s action is justified. Shambuka was doing Tapas in order to gain control of lower heavens and kick out Devatas like Indra. Rama killed Shambuka to stop him from gaining control of lower heaven. A similar story is there in Shiva Puarana. Lord Shiva killed Jalandhara who also did tapas to gain control over lower heaven." – Pradip Gangopadhyay Jan 24 '17 at 6:07 https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/16866/why-did-rāma-kill-Śambūka-and-is-rāma-justified-in-killing-him-without-a-second
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Fake news intended to defame and create violence is defiance against the Divine who is called SAT.
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"A short video is circulating on twitter where it shows ex-JNU students addressing an anti-CAA crowd. He is heard saying, “Islamist forces” had already prepared a plot to hit the streets and humiliate the country on the day the US President is scheduled to arrive.” Delhi Riots Pre-Planned?
Delhi Violence - 'Pogrom Lie' Vs Riot Truth | The Debate With Arnab Goswami
(Pogrom is coordinated attack on thousands. Riot is fight between groups on much smaller scale.)
Quote"To make matters worse, eminent journalists conveniently decided to stop shooting to avoid telling people the identity of those pelting stones at them, their hypocrisy being called out by their own fraternity... What makes for utter disgust is the selective, biased reportage that the left liberals have undertaken in reporting on the victims of the violence, be it deaths, injuries and damages. Hindu victims are a side note, and any reference to them is supposed to be promotion of hatred." https://www.thetruepicture.org/dear-left-liberal-media-stop-being-selective-on-the-delhi-riots/
QuoteThe Delhi Police Control Room had received 1,880 notifications within just 2-3 hours on Sunday night. After investigation, each and every information was found to be false and misleading. The fake notifications on violence were received mainly from different Delhi districts. The highest number of rumours — 481, was reported to the Western District Police Control Room. Southeastern, Dwarka, Outer and Rohini districts were ranked second, third, fourth and fifth respectively in getting the false news of the violence. A total of 21 people were arrested in northwest Delhi district on charges of spreading false information about riots. https://telanganatoday.com/delhi-riot-40-held-for-spreading-fake-news
Quote"A quick rummage through ‘Republic of Buzz’ reveals that it is a shoddy website that often promotes misinformation targeting India. Earlier this month, India Today had debunked an article on the website which used pornographic images to manufacture a story about rape by Indian soldiers. The website, in fact, routinely shares such distasteful articles... The ‘page transparency’ details of the website’s Facebook page reveals that it is managed by six individuals from Pakistan...The original Twitter handle of republicofbuzz.com was suspended and it now functions under @buzzrepublic. A Pakistani user Muhammad Tariq Kahut had welcomed the handle in 2018 and congratulated ‘@FKahut‘ – an account which is suspended...The claim that a 13-year-old Muslim girl was gang-raped by a Hindu mob in Jafrabad was manufactured by a fake news and propaganda website from Pakistan." https://www.altnews.in/muslim-girl-raped-by-hindu-mob-in-delhi-pak-propaganda-website-runs-fake-news/
Quoteਧੰਧਾ ਧਾਵਤ ਦਿਨੁ ਗਇਆ ਰੈਣਿ ਗਵਾਈ ਸੋਇ ॥
Dhhandhhaa Dhhaavath Dhin Gaeiaa Rain Gavaaee Soe ||
Chasing after worldly affairs, the day is wasted, and the night passes in sleep.
ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੩) (੩) ਸ. (੩) ੨:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੪੮ ਪੰ. ੩
Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Dasਕੂੜੁ ਬੋਲਿ ਬਿਖੁ ਖਾਇਆ ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਚਲਿਆ ਰੋਇ ॥
Koorr Bol Bikh Khaaeiaa Manamukh Chaliaa Roe ||
Speaking lies, one eats poison; the self-willed manmukh departs, crying out in pain.
ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੩) (੩) ਸ. (੩) ੨:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੪੮ ਪੰ. ੩
Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Dasਸਿਰੈ ਉਪਰਿ ਜਮ ਡੰਡੁ ਹੈ ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਇ ਪਤਿ ਖੋਇ ॥
Sirai Oupar Jam Ddandd Hai Dhoojai Bhaae Path Khoe ||
The Messenger of Death holds his club over the mortal's head; in the love of duality, he loses his honor.
ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੩) (੩) ਸ. (੩) ੨:੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੪੮ ਪੰ. ੪
Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Dasਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਦੇ ਨ ਚੇਤਿਓ ਫਿਰਿ ਆਵਣ ਜਾਣਾ ਹੋਇ ॥
Har Naam Kadhae N Chaethiou Fir Aavan Jaanaa Hoe ||
He never even thinks of the Name of the Lord; over and over again, he comes and goes in reincarnation.
ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਵਾਰ¹ (ਮਃ ੩) (੩) ਸ. (੩) ੨:੪ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੪੮ ਪੰ. ੪
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Pranayam when done incorrectly can cause brain damage. Some Sikhs will do a form of pranayam when japping Gurmantr. If they have not been properly instructed on correct form of breathing, and merely trust sacred Naam will protect them, they run a risk. Sadly many of these techniques have been lost to time, and so persons sometimes teach themselves or learn by imitation of others to their own detriment. There are many gurus of yoga who teach many of their students not to practice pranayam techniques at all, due to their state of consciousness and lack of health or preparation. Sometimes pregnant ladies or men with underlying heart, blood vessel condition or predisposition to stroke should avoid pranayam practices due to weaknesses of the human body.
QuoteA verse in the Sama Veda cautions, “Yatha sinho gaja vyadho, bhavedvashya shanaiha shanaiha. Thartheva sevitho vayurnyartha hanthi sadhakam" (Just like an elephant, a lion or a tiger can be tamed slowly and gradually, in the same way a practitioner should try to tame his breath slowly, slowly or else it kills the practitioner himself)...
Ramnavami, a senior teacher at the Sivananda Yoga Mumbai Centre for 25 years, trained at the Bihar School of Yoga. She suffers from epilepsy. In 1987, her guru, Swami Satyananda, forbade her from performing Kapalbhati. She does not teach it to her students. “The benefits are not important, it is the contraindications that are important. It can lead to heart problems, high blood pressure, vertigo, hernia, epilepsy and related brain problems. https://www.livemint.com/Leisure/154E5M5IxPpBsjV11O9W7M/Is-Kapalbhati-killing-you.html -
On 2/7/2020 at 7:01 AM, Jageera said:
Hahaha..I knew posting this truth will bring out the saffron brigade on this forum. I plan to carry on with this. Carry on with your propaganda and protecting your tyrant so called 'state'. Jai shree ram babu !
Not quite sure what to think of your posts bhaiji. Why make sarcasm against Lord Ram whose Naam happens to be sacred bani in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Mahraaj over 8,000 times. "Saffron brigade" really? Saffron is not the color which Sikh Nirmalay wear? "protecting your tyrant so called 'state'." BJP government did not conduct Anti-Sikh pogroms in 1984 and over 20 years of impunity. At least blame the proper culprits, for the proper reason and not go radical blaming every single Hindu, and those who want to protect Hindu tattva of India from aggressive missionaries Christian and Muslim, and in anti-religion way political Communism funded by foreign countries.
Quote"Only hindus will prevail"
Yes, it is a reply. But you don't have the political integrity to share what this comment was in reply TO... already we know that jihadi radicals, including ISIS have claimed India for Muslim domination... have posters putting Hindu women into burqa's... and smashing sacred swastika symbol... no less equating it with the political fascism of National Socialist Germany... a different country... from a different time period... which even had Muslim legions... so the lunacy of such propaganda is so nonsensical... especially labeling Hindutva as fascist... but Islamic radicals as democratic... when every speech they give promises to destroy democracy and create Sharia state... but I digress.
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On 2/29/2020 at 5:12 AM, Jageera said:
Looks like nothing has changed since 1984.
I am going to document as much as I can on this thread. I urge other Sikhs on this forum to update this thread too with any new articles or videos they come across. This is to ensure,when in the future, when hindu apologists and bloodthirsty nationalists here deny any blame we can refer back to this thread.
You want only the most inflammatory documentation from only one point of view channeled deliberately AGAINST another point of view. You have the unmitigated hypocrisy to claim outright your thread is intended to shut down: HINDU NATIONALISTS and call them, and THEM ALONE,
BLOODTHIRSTY NATIONALISTS...and then say hypocritical and silly thing like:
QuoteI find it very odd that these people have been classified as Muslims. What happened to being Indian citizens? They are aren't they?
So why exactly are you classifying as HINDUS? No less, casting ALL blame and violation only upon HINDUS? They are not Indian citizens?
QuoteAnd I dont appreciate my thread being hijacked with tons of your material trying to bury my point. You should at least have some courtesy to go start your own refutal thread
You directly INVITED comments... but now it is clear, you want PROPAGANDA from only ONE POINT OF VIEW... and that directly ANTI-HINDU ONLY... and instead of weighing the issue with fact, intelligence, fairness and discernment... you don't appreciate REBUTTAL or REFUTATION of the most SLANDEROUS MEDIA CLAIMS... which have CLEAR and OBVIOUS POLITICAL and FOREIGN MANIPULATION. Yesterday you wrote:
QuoteNot taking sides just posting what news I find online as some people here would deny this ever happening.
Today any refutation of the SIDE YOU INSIST ON FANATICALLY,,, is taken as burying YOUR POINT. That makes you a liar. You aren't impartial, you are deceiver
Everything you have posted here, from the Topic Name: "hindu terrorists raping and murdering again as usual"
Is the MOST prejudicial, propagandistic, deliberately inflammatory, not bothering to fact-check and only posting the most ONE-SIDED version of the story... an you can't even get it right that the PROTESTS were about the CITIZENSHIP AMENDMENT BILL.... but drag 1984 into it, in effort to INFLAME PASSIONS AGAINST HINDU PEOPLE MANY OF WHOM WERE NOT EVEN BORN IN 1984... and AGAINST MODI government...for a PROTECTION BILL which INCLUDES PROTECTION OF SIKHS FROM EXTREMIST ISLAMIC COUNTRIES... and despite HYPOCRITICAL congressi Sikhs mad support for CONGRESS PARTY.... BJP WAS NEVER SUPPORTIVE OF Congress Government POGROM AGAINST SIKHS in revenge for putting down mad dog tyrant Indira, and nothing to do with IMMIGRATION BILL. All my points were about Citizenship Immigration Bill and protests and manipulators creating disturbances NOTHING was anti-Sikh or even anti-Muslim. YOUR points were only frothing at the mouth ANTI-HINDU propaganda distorting the issue, and the protests as something Sikh community should use as weapon to hold against Hindus. Think long and hard, because you do not seem to be thinking clearly.
QuoteNEW DELHI: Senior BJP leader and Defence minister Rajnath Singh on Thursday claimed that he felt "foreign forces" were trying to "weaken" India by "misleading" people against the amended citizenship law.
Addressing an election meeting in Jangpura Assembly constituency, Singh reiterated that the Citizenship (Amendment) Act was not going to take away any Indian Muslim's citizenship but still misunderstanding was being created among them. "No Indian citizen including Muslims will loose their citizenship due to the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA). Still, if the citizenship of a Muslim is questioned by anyone, the BJP will stand with him," he said.
"Misunderstanding is being spread to mislead the people. I feel there certainly is the hand of foreign forces behind this, who want to weaken India. The decision is to be made by you, where do you want the country to head," Singh said. He said India is not a Hindu nation and its history is written with love. "India is not a Hindu nation, it's a secular state. Some people are trying to write history of the country through the ink of hatred. But we have scripted our history through the ink of love and affection," the Union minister said.
He said around 600 Pakistani Muslims were given Indian citizenship in the last five-six years, asserting that the CAA was not against the minority community in India.
"We have not committed any crime by giving citizenship to minorities including Hindus and Sikhs persecuted in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. We are not the people who practice Hindu-Muslim politics," he said.
QuoteTumakuru: Lambasting Congress and its allies for opposing the Citizenship Amendment Act, Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Thursday said the ongoing protests were against the Parliament and called on the agitators to raise their voice against Pakistan's atrocities on its minorities for the last 70 years.
The Prime Minister said protecting and supporting minorities of neighbouring countries who have sought refuge in India was our cultural and national responsibility.
"Those who are protesting against the Parliament of India, I want to tell them that the need was to expose Pakistan's deeds on the world stage. If you want to protest, protest and raise voice against Pakistan's deeds for the last 70 years, you should have that guts," he said.
Addressing a gathering at Siddaganga Math near here, he said, "If you want to shout slogans, shout against the way in which atrocities are happening against minorities there; if you want to hold rallies, hold it in favour of dalits and downtrodden who have come from Pakistan (to India). If you want to do dharna, do it against Pakistans deeds."
Modi was speaking after paying respects at the 'Gadduge' (final resting place) of Shivakumara Swamiji at Siddaganga Math, a prominent Lingayat seminary here.Pointing out that few weeks ago the Parliament passed the CAA, Modi said, however, the Congress and its allies and the ecosystem created by them are standing up against the Indian Parliament. He said, "the kind of hate they have towards us (BJP), similar voice can be heard against the country's Parliament these days. These people have begun protest against the country's parliament...These people are protesting against dalits, suppressed and downtroden who have come from Pakistan seeking refuge." Pointing out that Pakistan was born on the basis of religion, and India was divided in the name of religion, Modi said from the time of partition, people of other religion in Pakistan faced atrocities.
"Whether it is Hindu or Sikh or Christian or Jain atrocities have increased against them in Pakistan with time. Thousands of such people had to leave their houses had to come to India as refugees," he said. Noting that Pakistan did atrocities against Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, but the Congress and its allies dont speak against Pakistan, the Prime Minister said instead they are holding protests against those who took refuge in India to save their lives, their religion and to protect the pride of their sisters and daughters.
"They (Congress and allies) don't have time to speak against Pakistan which did the atrocities against its minorities, what is the reason why their mouth is locked," he asked."It is our duty to help refugees who have come from Pakistan... most of the Hindus who have come from there are dalits and downtrodden, we cannot leave them like that, protecting them is our cultural and national responsibility, he said, adding "we should also help Sikh, Jain and Christians who have come from Pakistan."
There is change in India's policy against terrorism, the Prime Minister said by abrogating Article 370, effort has been made to remove fear of terror and uncertainty from the life of people there and a new beginning of development has been ushered in both in Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh.He also said the road has been cleared for the construction of a grand Ram mandir at Lord Ram's birth place with peace and cooperation of everyone.
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New Delhi: Union minority affairs minister Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi said “constant provoking of Muslims” by “professional instigators” and hatemongers was among the factors responsible for Delhi riots. He said hate-filled, fiery speeches by some “irresponsible leaders” added fuel to the fire. “We are doing our best. Even the PM has appealed for peace. It is the opposition and the experienced provokers who are not on the side of peace,” Naqvi said...
Some people are constantly telling Muslims that their lives and livelihoods are at stake. They have confused them about CAA. This has what led to panic in a section of the Muslims.”“I told them they have no faith in government or Parliament… We all saw what happened there. The women sitting there are simple-minded and they are being politically exploited by a few experienced provokers. They were with them every day spreading misinformation.”
The minister said: “Congress has a history of causing communal riots... Nobody can forget 1984.”
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Islamist mobs have gone on a rampage in Delhi where the anti-Hindu riots have claimed several lives and given rise to horror stories in the process. As time moves on more and more proofs have emerged, making it sufficiently clear that these riots are nothing but a selective, well-coordinated and planned outrage against the Hindus by Islamist fundamentalists.
It has been claimed by multiple eyewitnesses that AAP’s leader Tahir Hussain was one of the key conspirators behind these anti-Hindu riots which engulfed 37 lives and left more than 200 seriously injured. The quantity of stones, bricks and petrol bomb recovered from Tahir Hussain’s terrace proves that this was not an impulsive reaction but a well-planned and coordinated outrage against the Hindus by Islamist fundamentalists in the national capital.
Mostly all the eyewitnesses OpIndia got in touch with have revealed that the Islamists had been preparing for these anti-Hindu riots since a long time under the pretext of anti-CAA protest. https://www.opindia.com/2020/02/delhi-riots-muslims-hindus-anti-caa-tahir-hussain-aap-leader-stone-pelting-arson/
QuoteIn February, in its weekly newsletter, the ISIS had condemned the Citizenship Amendment Act. It also said that regardless of Indian Muslims’ loyalty towards their country, they are being kicked out. The terror group further said that democracies inherently seek to stifle Islam...https://theprint.in/india/isis-now-using-viral-image-of-muslim-man-beaten-up-in-delhi-riots-to-call-for-retaliation/372813/
QuoteWilayat al-Hind
In May 2019, after one of the members of the Islamic State died in a clash with Indian security forces in Kashmir, the terror group announced the establishment of a new branch in India — Wilayat al-Hind. The ISIS announced the establishment of this new branch after it was driven out from its so-called “caliphate” in Iraq and Syria. Meanwhile, a pro-ISIS group this week launched an India-specific publication, titled — ‘Voice of Hind‘. All these seem to be an attempt to take advantage of the tensed and volatile situation in the national capital. https://theprint.in/india/isis-now-using-viral-image-of-muslim-man-beaten-up-in-delhi-riots-to-call-for-retaliation/372813/
QuoteThe women in Bindis wearing Hijab only remind us of how Islamists view Hindu women as conquests and objects to be ‘owned’. A straight parallel that comes to mind is from Kashmir. When the Kashmiri Hindus were being raped, murdered and driven away from their homes by Islamist hoards, apart from the ‘convert, flee or die’ slogans, one of the calls by Islamists in Kashmir was asking Hindu men to leave but to leave their women behind as conquests of the Muslims.
Right below the images of Islamists ‘conquering’ Hindu women, there are lines from the famous Faiz poem, ‘Hum dekhenge’. While the Shaheen Bagh protesters have clearly dropped the controversial lines from the poem that spoke about the destruction of idols and only the reign of Allah surviving, it has to imagine that nestled between the images of Hindu women being ‘conquered’ by Islamists and the Hindu Swastika being shattered, the protesters meant anything but that. https://www.opindia.com/2020/01/anti-caa-protest-shaheen-bagh-hinduphobic-poster-islamist-supremacy-what-it-means/
QuoteMost of us did not take these protests very seriously because we could not even decipher what was so wrong with the Act that demanded such resistance. The Act only fulfilled a natural obligation India had towards Hindus, Jains, Buddhists and Sikhs from the Islamic States in the neighbourhood and even added Christians to the mix for good measure. The exclusion of Muslims from the provisions of the Act was only natural as it is ridiculous to claim that they should be treated equally as a non-Muslim from Islamic countries.
But soon, it became evident that the ‘protests’ were going to get very ugly. In Mamata Banerjee’s West Bengal, Muslim mobs ran riot and damaged public property with impunity. Soon enough, on the 15th of December, Muslim mobs rampaged through the streets of Delhi setting fire to public property in their wake...
It would be inaccurate to claim that it was only after the 15th of December that the Liberal Establishment entered the fray because they had been involved in the spreading of misinformation from the very beginning. But it was only after the events of the night of the 15th that the full gambit of the Liberal Establishment became obvious. Soon, it turned into protests not only against the CAA but the crackdown on the rioters of AMU and Jamia as well.
Intellectuals, Bollywood actors and actresses, and liberal enclaves in prominent universities participated in demonstrations protesting against the alleged ‘fascism’ in the country. The media contributed by propagandizing on behalf of the rioters and the mobsters and inventing a host of fake news narratives. However, as the saying goes, you cannot thrash a donkey into a horse. Once a donkey, always a donkey. And thus, it happened that the Jamia ‘sheroes’ were revealed to be Islamic Extremists who had in the past called India fascist for executing the Mumbai Blast terrorist Yakub Memon and gave calls for Jihad...
The fake news that was spread of ‘innocent students’ of Jamia and AMU bit the dust when footage from these Universities was released by authorities in the public domain. It also became evident that the Bollywood actors and actresses who attended these protests did not have much clue about the matter at all and were only in it for cheap publicity... It is pertinent to note that several Congress leaders have been booked for the anti-CAA riots by Muslim mobs that have gripped the nation...
The crime branch of Ahmedabad police had nabbed a Congress leader for posting a fake and misleading video on social media which incited a Muslim mob during a protest march at Shah-e-Alam, Gujarat, where several police officials were brutally attacked by Muslim mobs. Congress party’s minority cell member Umar Khan Pathan had shared a video on social media in which a police action against rioters from Lucknow was passed on as an incident in Ahmedabad stoking violence in the Shah-e-Alam. The fake news had unleashed a violent Muslim mob, who attacked and injured more than 25 policemen on duty...
The extensive effort that was put into these protests by the Liberal Established collapsed under its own weight when the Radical Islamic nature of these protests became evident. Prime Minister Modi remarked that the rioters could be identified from their clothes which sent the establishment into a frenzy. But they knew it was true and they were fully aware that their lamentation will fall on deaf ears. Simultaneously, the morbid anti-Hindu bigotry that was intrinsic to these protests prompted even the political parties to engage in some degree of course correction and the media realized that a shade of red or a shade of pink, a pig is still swine. Thus, when the law enforcement authorities crushed the conspiracy to spread anarchy across the country, it received widespread applause from the masses...
We have been reporting on the foreign interference in the anti-CAA and anti-NRC campaign from the very beginning. On the 17th of December, we had reported how Islamic fundamentalist organizations had started working with foreign-funded NGOs and those linked extensively with ‘Urban Naxals’ in their bid to undermine the CAA which was passed by the Indian Parliament.
Then, on the 2nd of January, we had reported on how the US Department of State was funding “Advocacy and Outreach Programme for Detainees in the North Eastern States of India”. In the same report, we had also mentioned how huge amounts was being funneled into India from shady globalist NGOs for the purpose of “Reducing Arbitrary Detention in India”. All of this does amount to foreign interference in Indian internal affairs.
https://www.opindia.com/2020/01/all-you-need-to-know-from-caa-to-jnu-violence-islamists-congress-honk-kong-style-protest-conspiracy/The OTHER side of the story...
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Other vital news ignored by leftist press.
QuoteSeveral circumstantial evidences suggest that there could be a bigger reason behind the Delhi violence, and the protest against CAA was just a mask for the elements that are trying to pose a bigger security threat to the nation. An intelligence official, Ankit Sharma, was dragged by the mob and beaten to death. His family and the locals who spoke to TV channels categorically stated that it was Tahir’s goons who forcefully took Ankit Sharma.
Now, one needs to consider the report that came in just one year ago. In December 2018, National Investigation Agency raided Delhi’s Jaffrabad, now one among the violence-hit area in Delhi. Five arrests were made at that time, including an engineering student by name Yunus. It was reported that a plot was hatched to kill top political leaders of India.
Cut to the present, the undeniable evidence of rioting emerging from the terrace of AAP councillor Tahir Hussain, the brutal murder of an intelligence official which again turning the needle of suspicion to this councillor, all put together, makes oneself wonder, whether the violence in Delhi are just communal in nature or is there a bigger threat to national security playing behind the scene? https://www.thetruepicture.org/delhi-violence-aap-tahir-hussain-murder-of-intelligence-officer/
QuoteUnambiguous evidence has been emerged to show that Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) councillor Tahir Hussain’s house terrace was indeed used for rioting through petrol bombs and stones. Hordes of bricks and petrol bomb were found on the rooftop of the councillor’s home that corroborates with the earlier video clips, in which the rioters were shown creating mayhem from the terrace.
But of course blame the Hindus... as usual.
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13 hours ago, Jageera said:
Well when a community is attacked it obviously retaliates. That is the law of nature. There would be collateral damage on both sides.
Far be it from me to imagine that Muslim community would EVER be complicit in mob violence... or violence against women (yeah right)... yet here you are justifying horrific mob brutal murder of police constable (actually intelligence official doing investigation)... okay, well per your claim... when Hindu's react it's a mob... but when Muslims react, it's only self-defense... even if they butchered this man and pulled his organs out and dumped him in a sewer.... Really now, I think it is disservice to Sikh community to get stuck blindly supporting Muslim community and due to extreme media manipulation, we do not know all the facts or provocations. I wouldn't be at all surprised that America, Pakistan, Russia, China and Israel were pulling strings behind the scenes.
Everybody's being played.
QuoteWhy Was There a Wave of Violence in India While Trump Was Visiting?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/what-is-happening-in-india.html
India already has more Muslim population than either Pakistan OR Bangladesh. How many Hindu's and Sikhs population do they have? 1-2% and disappearing. Nationalism isn't a bad thing. For what reason does India have to support more Muslim citizens? Would it even be wise to propose when it would quite obviously create yet another partition?"From the anti-CAA march in Hyderabad today, what appears to be the Islamic Shahada ["There is no god but the Allah"] printed on the Indian tricolour in place of the Ashoka Chakra." https://www.thetruepicture.org/anti-india-hinduphobic-violent-incidents-surrounding-caa-protests/
Always, there are two sides to every story... ask yourself for what purpose all this anti-Hindu, anti-India hate and provocation? Why only ONE side of the story gets inflammatory news coverage? I wonder what countries (cough Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh) might be behind it... along with US, Israeli, British, Russian, Chinese intelligence agencies manipulating THEM.
What democracy is this? Burqa on Hindu ladies... smashing holy swastik symbol... defacing National flag with no god but Allah>? Yes... more Muslim citizens and there will cease to be any India.
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When I said comparison to 1984...
There is no comparison to 1984. It isn't the same people. It isn't the same government. It isn't the same situation. And above all, it isn't even anti-Sikh.
QuoteThen where does it end penji?
It's not going to end, it's only going to get worse in Kaljug. Forcing political demands of India to encourage Muslim immigration and citizenship status from the above named extremist and radicalized countries is going to wreck destruction. If you think things are bad now, imagine higher Muslim demographics... then it will be another Bangladesh. the law was intended to provide safe haven for persecuted Indian non-Muslims from Muslim countries. End of. This cannot be an issue of "equality" for Muslim illegals offered same citizenship opportunities.
QuoteThis was the same justification for anti Sikh violence in the past and still going on
How? BJP has shouted loudest and longest against Congress Party for 1984 government sponsored pogrom against Sikhs. This isn't directed against Sikhs, but to offer safe haven and citizenship. How is it the same? Mobs are out committing acts of hate and murder, for a lot of reasons... but anti-Sikh sentiment is not part of this... or do you feel the need to jump on the bandwagon and use it as a platform to promote Sikh separatist point of view?
QuoteI don't understand this logic,if one side protests the other side starts running amok?
That's a mob bhaiji. Mob violence can start over anything.
QuoteSo what type of "democracy"is this where there is freedom of speech and expression but afterwards you get murdered and your businesses razed?
India really hasn't had a chance. British Raj gave birth to it by arming Muslims and promising them Pakistan and Bangladesh. Honestly, none of those countries have yet recovered from massive genocidal partition... while England sits across the ocean rich and fat and wearing Koh-i-Noor diamond and lecturing the world about democracy as it's own daughters get whored out by Muslim mobs. What type of democracy is it going to be, if everyone has a bone to pick with Hindu's intolerant of Muslim population, and ignoring the causes in the mass rapes, forced marriages and virtual extermination of Hindu's in Bangladesh, Pakistan and Afghanistan? What kind of democracy will it create to rescind this Immigration Law or worse, allow equal right of MUSLIMS to leave MUSLIM countries and flock to India to build up vote bank for murdering Congress Party?
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Only one side of the story cannot possibly tell the whole truth.
QuoteIn a shocking development, the autopsy results of slain Intelligence Bureau (IB) officer Ankit Sharma accessed by sources on Thursday, reveal that Sharma was stabbed more than four hundred times. Forensic experts have stated that stab wounds have been found all over Sharma's body, ripping his intestines apart, as per sources. Delhi police have filed an FIR and named former AAP Councillor Tahir Hussain has been named in the FIR under IPC section 302 for murder...
Forensic experts have also revealed that Sharma was stabbed continuously for allegedly two-four hours. The IB officer may also have been stabbed after his death, claim sources after his body was found dumped in a sewer in Delhi's Chand Bagh area. https://www.republicworld.com/india-news/law-and-order/ib-officer-ankit-sharma-stabbed-400-times-by-multiple-people-autopsy.htmlQuoteOn Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) published a report titled, “India’s Ruling Party, Government Slammed Over Delhi Violence”. In its report, the WSJ claimed that Ankur Sharma, the brother of the deceased IB officer allegedly said to them that the rioters had come armed with stones, rods, knives, and even swords, and shouted slogans ‘Jai Shri Ram’ before attacking his brother Ankit Sharma....
However, the claims made by WSJ is far from the truth as Ankit’s family has been consistent in their statements that their boy was dragged by a Muslim mob that had come from Tahir Hussain’s house. Multiple eyewitnesses had corroborated that Sharma was dragged by an enraged Muslim mob from inside the house of AAP leader Mohammad Tahir Hussain and subsequently killed by them. Sharma, having stabbed hundreds of times with his intestines pulled out, was found dead and abandoned inside a ditch in Chand Bagh neighbourhood. https://www.opindia.com/2020/02/jansatta-ankit-sharma-murder-brother-blame-hindu-fake-news/It's obvious foreign press has a hand in instigating the unrest in India... dirtiest irresponsible politics of division... and over what? A law intended to protect.
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No, you have done the topic diversion into personal attack on me, let's be honest here.
1. TOTALLY unrelated. BJP GOVERNMENT is not the COURT system or lawyers or police investigators. If police apprehend suspect and investigators have evidence and case is moving through Courts... you rabidly blame BJP, spew hate of Hindu's, and start talking nonsense about WW2. Okay.
2. Just to throw in here but... WHY did "successive German governments" pursue National Socialist era soldiers and officials in some Allied concocted claim of "war crimes" no less than Allies made an utter mockery of Nuremberg War Crimes Trial by allowing Soviet prosecutors to falsely charge and frame indictment against German Wehrmacht for crimes of mass murder which the Soviet's themselves committed in Katyn forest.... that literally impeaches the credibility of the entire Nuremberg kangaroo Court... since you have proven liars framing false charges. Wartime Courts were filled with hysteria and propaganda and served one purpose... mass murder and elimination of National Socialist government to be replaced with occupation government doing the bidding of the Allies because they had that power after winning the war.
The Katyn Massacre: When The USSR Purged 22,000 Polish Men — Then Blamed The Nazis
I know it's vogue for people in UK and West to LAUD the exploits of their barbaric war against European economy in WW2 and crushing of National Socialist government, using Stalin's mass-murdering, mass raping Red Army... accused of so many times more MILLIONS of mass murders and tortures BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE... then ever accused against the Hitler government... but I digress... It doesn't relate in any way to BJP government... if anything, Sonia Maino "Gandhi's" father was an Italian blackshirt fascist.
Jagtar Singh Jaggi no doubt is a Khalistani, abundant evidence links him to radicalizing people and links with members of banned militant group. Did he cross a line and become active supporter and bring funds to Pakistan based Khalistan Liberation Force? Police and investigators say they have evidence he did conspire to commit targeted killings which did happen. What evidence do you have that deny's his involvement such to refute the charges?
At least you admit that you have no evidence. You don't need any... your entire agenda is to spread rabid hate and blame against every Hindu and sanatan Sikh while defending Paki controlled terrorist outfits that TARGET Hindu's and Sanatan Sikhs for murder... out of the most misplaced rage and blame.