Mithar

I think that have a name like "Great secret" is just to catch people’s attention. People are probably thinking "WOW! What great secret does he have? I must know!"

These frauds are plenty who go around calling themselves "Guru". They look, talk and have body language which can instantly attract people towards them. The Radhaswami Guru for example is handsome man and according to people I know who have met him he is also a very charming person. But these things are all superficial. Once a person reads their books you can't help but laugh, especially about their creation theory which is just as ridiculous as the creation theory of the Mormons.

How people become the Chelle of these people is really beyond my understanding.

Did Baba Biram Das Jee not wear any cloths?

Shaheediyan is right. We need to understand the purpose of Charitro Pakhyan. This banis is not about spiritual or rehet related purpose. It is for us to learn about life's lessons. Let us not take tukhs in Charitro Pakhyan out of context.

I beleive that with Yogic powers one can also prevent the human body from growing old. Swami Rama mentions that he once met a Yogi I think in Kashmir or somewhere in the Himilayan mountains who was several hundred years old, yet he did not look older than a man in his early 20s. This is how I beleive the Sidhas also are able to live for hundreds of years.

Mahavatar Babaji is reported to be over 2000 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahavatar_Babaji

I think that he just needed an excuse to end his worldly body and the hunter's arrow was that excuse.

Excellent links Shaheediyan. But first as aspiring 108s one should learn Sanskrit. We can learn from a Pandit.

traditionally Rajputs of Rajputana would take Bhang right before battle.

As for Charitro Pakhyaan. That bani is not for updesh. It is meant to be studied and learn lessons from.

Poohla's father was a Kooka. So Poohla in his early years till college was a kooka, but due to his fighting skills he was a local gang leader of college going thugs in Ludhiana. I think he was recruited by a corrupt Nihang named Kahn Singh(who was shot by Kharkoos). Poohla succeeded him and put Kahn Singh's anti Panthic views into practical use by targeting and killing people who were of Panthic thinking. The police saw this and started supporting him as a counter insurgent.

Many governments around the world who have insurgency problem use this method of supporting counter insurgency groups such as poohla’s group. This method has worked well in Chechnya for example where many former insurgents have been recruited into the counter insurgency group of thugs under a sociopathic man named Ramzan Kodirov who rapes, murders and extorts his own people.

Usually these counter insurgents are just as brutal and violent as the insurgents themselves, not surprisingly since many of them were former insurgents themselves. But unlike insurgents who might be bound by some ideological, religious rules of combat, the counter insurgents are hired thugs who are basically guns for hire and often indulge in loot and rape as a means to spread fear. Sadly this is probably the most effective method of countering insurgency. That is how insurgency was countered in Punjab.

So many policemen and former policemen in Punjab have the blood of Sikhs on their hands. Sooner or later they will have to pay for this somehow. I'm not a Khalistani, but I do beleive that those policemen who served under KPS Gill and are responsible for murder, rape of Sikhs are demonic criminals and they will pay some how.

I hope this tradition goes on in his family for another 500 years atleast. With the growing shardha for traditional Sikh kirtan, people like this will be in great demand I think and I hope this family continues with this tradition.

Surprisingly he doesn't have enough kirtan on youtube as he should. Such a great kirtani he was.

I just saw this video around 2 weeks ago and cannot stop watching it. I watch it everyday since then. I just love the way he does kirtan. I wish our Ragis could do kirtan like that. He does kirtan from the heart, like he understands every single tukh he is singing.

I just watched some of his videos online like this one:

I have to admit, he does perform pretty well. His singing, facial expressions, body language, hand movement while singing he is very impressive I must say.

I don't know if anyone one here has seen online videos of Gurmit Ram Rahim. He's also very impressive, and probably even a better speaker than Darshan Das. But as the saying goes in Hindi "Haathi Ke Daanth Khaane vallay Aur, Aur Dikhaanay valay Aur" (An elephant has two sets of teeth, one for eating and the other for display).

Don't get fooled by sweet talking salesmen like these men. They may look and talk very impressively, but what they sell may not be worth the dumb you take every day in the latrine.

I've heard the Katha of Gurmit Ram Rahim on Indian television and youtube, and I didn't find anything negative in his words either, but it doesn't mean he isn't a fraud.

just saw this goree singhnee on youtube today- she's better than any Punjaban I've seen . . .

Another good one.

HAHAHA! Thats so cool. Hope those guys return safe.

I don't have any links to this, but it's common knowledge actually that the places where Anti Sikh riots did not occur was in communist Bengal and Shiv Seva Bombay.

The Congressis were Gundaas, but the Shiv Saniks were even bigger Gundaas than the congressis when it comes to violence. Although our people(who are usually very uninformed) like to blame everything on the RSS, Shiv Sena but the truth is not as black and white as that. The RSS and Shiv Seva are ideologically different and even opposed to the Congress party of India. They have two very different and often opposed agendas for India.

The Shiv Sena of Bal Thakre should not be confused with the Shiv Sena of Punjab under prominent Gundaa Mawali chief Jagdish Tangri. The Shiv Sena of Bal Thakre are first and formost Maratha nationalists and only later Indian nationalists, while Jagdish Tangri's Shiv Sena of Punjab (who have no connection to Bal Thakre's Shiv Seva) are pan Indian nationalists and are also very anti Sikh, very pro Hindi language.

Anyway, during the 84 riots, the Congress party workers who were very active in Maharashtra and wanted to also carry out their slaughter of Sikhs in the state of Maharashtra by trying to invoke Hindu nationalism. But Bal Thakre gave them a strict warning to not attempt any such thing in his territory of Maharashtra. I have friends who lived in Bombay at the time and also confirm this for me.

As much as our people hate RSS, Shiv Sena of Bal Thakre, the truth is THEY had nothing to do with the anti Sikh riots of 84. It was purely riots carried out by congress party and their political allies. The particular villains of this were the Hindu Jaats of haryana although now they will deny it. These bastards did alot of the killing. These Hindu Jaats, should pay for this one day. They cannot take on a Sikh in a fair fight. The Hindu jaats are also one of the main opponents of Punjabi Sikhs, and were also big supporters of the creation of Haryana but that must be due to their strong leaning to Arya Samaj.

A Muslim woman can never marry a non Muslim. It's their tradition, and I respect that. Muslims are very firm in their faith. Unlike our Sikh girls who readily marry non Sikh males when given the chance, the Muslim woman in contrast would rarely marry a non Muslim. I've seen cases of love marriages between a Muslim girl and a non Muslim guy, but the non Muslim male always has to convert to Islam in order to marry her. I wish our girls were as firm in their faith.

Thats fine. But I would say a more intelligent and civilsed way to do this would be to educate the masses about Sikhi, rather than criticise another faith.

But that's just it. One of the many methods these American Christian missionaries employ is to criticize another person's faith. They gather some negative points about another religion and they attack on those points.

The last few weeks I have had a few Christian missionaries coming over to my house trying to convert me. They gave me the bible to read. At first they were not aggressive. But recently they have started getting more aggressive to the point where they try to criticize Sikhi and tell me to convert to Christianity. Unknown to them is that I was also preparing to counter all of their possible negative points and to actually go on the offensive and question THEIR religion because A STRONG OFFENCE IS THE BEST DEFENCE is how I see it. I did this by highlighting and tick marking all the negative and contradictory points in their bible (which they gave me!). They have no answer to them! They are left speechless. That is how you counter their Parchaar. This is how the Muslims and Jews counter them and that is the only language they understand.

I have had to deal with Jahova Witnesses, Mormons and Evangelical Christians. The Evangelicals are the biggest villains of them all. They are Christian fanatics, and they are the ones I’m dealing with right now. The Jahova Witnesses and Mormons are easy to counter since they have some really screwed up beliefs and history, but these Evangelists are Christian purists and it is THEY that are doing Parchaar right now in Punjab.

We need to be well informed not only about OUR Dharm but also about THEIR Dharm.

Again - real problem is the poor treatment of the lower classes - if they had a sense of equality based belonging in any Indian faith - these decieptful missioneries woulf fail miserably - and even receive a hostile response from those that they were trying to convert, rather than a hostile response fromt the upper classes (inc Sikhs) who are worried about their waning influence.

Initially Muslim population recruited heavily from lower classes, same for Sikhi later on (of their own free will) - but now due to these peoples brahman behaviour - the lower classes are fodder for organised Christians.

That is not entirely accurate. These American missionaries would still convert people regardless if they were discriminated against or not. In Isreal, these missionaries try to convert Jews even though there is no such thing as class/racial/caste discrmination in between the Jews. Yet they are converting Jews. But the Jews are fighting back NOT violently but by countering their parchaar.

Regardless if Sikhs were discrminating, they would still have tried to convert Sikhs. They only do this to Hindus and Sikhs because Hindus/Sikhs are a soft target. The Muslims are more well trained to counter these American Christian missionaries. Muslims counter the American missionaries physically and intellectually.

Sikhs need to start countering these missionaries by doing Parchar against them. I have started to read the King James bible and I have to say that compared to Sikh or even Hindu scriptures, it is far below the Dharma faiths of India. You cannot compare it Dharma scriptures like SGGS, Bhagawad Gita, Buddhist Cannons. If Sikhs were to counter their Parchar, these Christians would not be able to stand against us.

hmm, saying that Gurbani of SGGS is the result of editing and re editing. Even the Kala Afghanists don't go that far.

He based his opinion(yes it is only an OPINION! NOT FACT!) on some Radhee papers that were discovered in 1987, not realising that maybe they are papers that most probably belonged to other claiments of Gurgadhi of the time like the Dhir Malias and Ram Raiyas. But NO! Peshaura goes straight for the moon and says they belonged to the Gurus and are proof that Gurbani is a result of editing and re editing.

These western academics are no friends of the Sikh panth. The likes of Peshaura Singh and Mcleod have had their opinions refuted by Sikh scholars like Kirpal Singh.

This is very disturbing. These Christian missionaries need to be exposed. They are just as damaging for the Panth as Radhaswamis and other fake Gurudoms are.

This guy's views are even more dangerous than Sikh missionary and Kala Afghanist views.

What happened to Sikhs in Delhi was just plain wrong. My reletives who lived in 84 at the time of the violence tell me that right before the violence started, they were first unarmed by the police who asked all Sikhs to surrender their guns, pistols. My reletives had a gun, since they had a gun licence, they were first unarmed. A great many Sikhs were unarmed like this by the Delhi police before being killed by the mob.

It was all planned by the government of India. The only place where the Sikhs were safe in India were states where congress did not form the state's government like in Bengal where the communists formed and government and they had prevented the congress from killing the Sikhs there. Same thing with the Shiv Sena of Bal Takhere who also prevented the Sikhs from being killed in Bombay, which is one of the main reasons I never have negative feelings for Bal Thakre despite what the world has to say about the man.

But I still don't think what happened in Delhi now is any sort of justice for what happened during that time. Maybe I'm a doomsday type of person, but I beleive war is coming, and only after that will Khalsa Raaj be established all over the globe.

Maybe it's just something wrong with the eye? But if you got this during or after Naam Abhiyaas, then I suggest you do more and more to see where it leads.