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I was reading Discourses on the Beyond, and the author mentioned the Guru Chakra as being distinct from the Dasam Dwar. Could somebody please tell me what this chakkar is supposed to do ?
Where is it located?
Guru chakra is another name for ajna chakra in Laya (Kundalini) Yoga, though I've heard some people refer to guru chakra as a higher form of ajna.
K.
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I know this will sound funny to some, but can one defend oneself with neck wali kirpan??.
Well i think if neck wali kirpan is not worn as necklace but put in pocket it can be as lethal as 5inch + kirpan one because of sharp edges, one can easily hide it behind the fist knuckles and pow.
any thoughts on this?
There are better options. For example, one of these Cold Steel sharkies that can be used like a kubotan or one of these Comtech Stingers as a fist load.
If you sharpen the neck kirpan, you would have to keep it in a sheath which means you would need time to pull it out of your pocket and then the sheath before you could use it. The handle of most of those neck kirpans I have seen is really too small to use it safely if it's sharpened, and it's generally a bad idea to put anything really sharp between your knuckles because it will get pushed back into your hand and cut your fingers to shreds when you punch someone.
I've seen people who want something sharp, disposaable and lowtech in their pockets sharpen the edge of a coke can ringpull. The idea is to wear it as a ring when it is in use so that it slashes skin when you punch. By itself it's not a fight ender (unless you sever someone's carotid) but it causes enough mess that it will put most assailants off - and more importantly it causes them to hesitate long enough for you to put them down.
K.
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Wahguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
Silat style. Invest in a couple of rubber training knives and some goggles and practice with a partner. When you have a decent level of skill, wear white tshirts and test out your skills by switching your rubber knives for red markers. See how many times you get marked (cut). Do this periodically to check that your defence and the speed of your reactions is increasing (and the number of cuts decreasing).
K.
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damn, a small bag of red mirch would do the job....
How To Make Your Own Pepper Spray with Mirch
It's better to buy capsaicin extract (capsaicin is what makes mirch hot) rather than use the lal mirch if you are going to make it yourself.
Also, IME the pepper spray bottles are designed to shoot the spray a greater distance, so that's something you may want to take into consideration. Most atomisers are not made to shot a thin stream of liquid a relatively great distance but to cover a large surface area with cologne/perfume.
The legal alternative is to get used to chewing green mirch all the time then spit in your attacker's eyes. :-D
K.
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I believe pepper spray is illegal to buy and own in the UK. "Any weapon of whatever description designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid, gas or other thing" is a Prohibited Weapon, under S.5 of The Firearms Act 1968.
The law is pretty retarded IMO, but it's best that you are aware of it should you choose to carry the pepper spray concealed in, for example, a lynx bullet bottle or a small unmarked cologne atomiser.
This guy was arrested for merely owning the a spray canister:
http://www.derehamtimes.co.uk/content/derehamtimes/news/story.aspx?brand=DFTOnline&category=News&tBrand=DFTOnline&tCategory=News&itemid=NOED07%20Jun%202007%2012%3A23%3A07%3A123
Here's a legal alternative which stains your attacker's face with a dye that cannot be removed for a week:
http://www.farbgel.com/
Note however that this is just likely to piss your attacker off so you'd better have something else up your sleeve.
Regards,
K.
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Whether its using swords or sticking poison in curries, we sikhs will kill each other. If it's done with firearms then at least we'll know that they know how to use them. As for the quality, with the right knowledge and a few other things I'm sure they will be as good enough as anything our enemies might produce.
I think this is a skill every Sikh should have at a theoretical level (since, in practice, it's quite illegal):
http://www.amazon.com/Do-Yourself-Submachine-Gun-Durable/dp/0873648404/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267396138&sr=8-2
This one is good also:
http://www.amazon.com/Expedient-Homemade-Firearms-9mm-Submachine/dp/0873649834/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b
Here's a vid of a Luty gun based on the above books design:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPhbdW9SxEM
Of course, you can go even more low-tech if necessary.
K.
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By cheating. I have a job that starts at noon and this means I get to go to bed after amrit vela.
K.
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Laalsingh:
Compare Akal Ustat with Sri Kal Ji Ki ustat from Bachitar Natak. It's clear these bania are describing the same Brahman, though in Sri Kal Ustat the destructive kirtnaams are used along with ferocious imagery to ignite bir ras in the Gursikh who reads it.
I used to recite it before a fight (before I got too old and bruised to do that kind of thing anymore. ;-) ).
K.
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singh ji.. detailed analysis of KAAL is explained in a granth by Bhagat Kabir Ji. Please google "anurag sagar"
Anurag Sagar can be found here:
Anurag Sagar in English and German
K.
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2 - According to Bhai Svarup Singh Kaushish, Panj were taken into tambu and asked to chatka a bakra.
I have heard this story also (as opposed to the other story of Dasmesh Pita chatakaing the 5 bakray). Do you have a source for this, Singh? What was the name of the Bhai Sahib's book?
K.
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Ravan was a great Vidhvaan, and is said to be the greatest Shiv Bhakt. He wrote the Shiv Stotra which is read by Bakts of Shiva.
Shiv Stotra:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnDoLi28_kY&feature=related
I don't think he was as bad as he is made out to be in Vaishnava Granths. In Sri Lanka and parts of South India he is still considered a hero.
Yep. Whatever else he may have be, Ravana was expert in sadhana, political science, shastar vidiya, and astrology (hence the book named for him).
There are still some Brahmins in Rajasthan who do shraddh for him and claim that he was a devotee of Shiva also.
K.
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I was listening to Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindrawalaes Katha on the Salok Mahalla 9. On the Tuk
"Ram Gaiyo Raavan Gaiyo" towards the end they mention that Raavan was a great scholar and had written a teeka on the Yujar VEd which they had seen at Bhai Lachman Singh's house in Ambala. Does anyone know if this teeka still exists and if any copies of prints are about?
Old topic, but did you manage to find this granth?
I have another book which is supposedly by Ravan called Ravan Samhita, but it is mostly a jyotish text with some tantric material thrown in rather than a granth about spiritual matters.
Regards,
K.
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Shri Dasam Granth has been a focal point of controversy for 100 years. It is not even possible for Sikhs to have been attacking Hindu murthis like Aurangzeb and then sacrificing own lives to defend religious freedom. The TRANSLATION sounds out of place and I question the TRANSLATION AND INTERPRETATION, not the bani.
Don't you have better things to discuss than trying to flame and discredit my every single post? Can you resolve my doubts and prove to me that the original Braj translation is an exact match with the current SGPC Punjabi translation and post relelvant tuuks here with reference citations we can all reliably cross confirm?
If you cannot, then you cannot convince me the bani is exactly accurate. It seems oddly out of place with a religion that fought Islamic oppression which did in fact bring breakg of murthis and desecrating of mandirs. Excuse me for doubting the Singh Sabha translation, it's not as if Panth Prakash was free from anti-sanatan bias to reassure people how trustworthy are Singh Sabha translations.
Since you are the fool who is questioning the translation because they do no accord with your own manmat, the onus is on you to provide an alternative. Or to learn Gurmukhi and a bit of Farsi and resolve your own doubts.
However, since I am feeling generous, I will give you a clue:
ਮਨਮ ਕੁਸ਼ਤਹਅਮ ਕੋਹਿਯਾਂ ਪੁਰਫਿਤਨ ॥ ਕਿ ਆਂ ਬੁਤ ਪਰਸਤੰਦੁ ਮਨ ਬੁਤਸ਼ਿਕਨ ॥੯੫॥
I vanquished the vicious hill chiefs, they were idol-worshippers and I am idol-breaker.95.
The word used for idol is ਬੁਤ. Consult a dictionary. ਬੁਤ with an adhak in Punjabi is also an idol.
And it is Persian not Braj.
Also, since you rush to the Gobind Sadan pothia when every other translation and steek contradicts your beliefs, refer to page 2550 of the 2648 page Gobind Sadan Dasam Granth pothia. Baba Virsa's translation is identical. It reads "I am the destroyer of the idol-worshipping hill rajas because they worship idols and I am the breaker of idols". Feel free to get the translation checked by friends of yours who have actually bothered to learn Gurmukhi.
However, I fully expect you to cast doubt on the Gobind sadan pothia next, or better yet, to try to "interpret" Guru Ji's words to mean something completely different because they are not in accord with your own manmat.
K.
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blah blah
Yep, play the martyr. After all, that's what you did on every other Sikh forum you were thrown out of for your inability to post a reply to a topic without propagating your own manmat as an alternative form of Sikhi. I'm sure it makes you feel very important.
K.
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Do you really believe that all Hindu's falsely worship only fake rocks and not real God? If so, then how are you different from Or it meant something different, that they were betrayers and faithless to real God and going through motions of only hypocritical worship and that as Guru he was stopping their violent betrayal as well as their fake spirituality? But how does this apply to some kind of oppression against Hindu religious practices?
Are you thinking Khalsa is now idol breaker like fundamentalist Islamics? And what will you throw acid in peoples faces too if they violate your idea of sharia?
After all your complaining about Singh Sabha incorrectly interpreting Gurbani tuks, you turn around and say "Oh Guru Ji didn't mean what he said. He must have meant something else."
Your hypocrisy is incredible (and quite amusing to see).
K.
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I don't at all agree the interpretations of the rebuttals. You won't convince me and I won't convince you. We don't have to share the same belief to discuss similarities, differences or controversies.
Well, thanks for revealing your complete lack of desire to understand Gurmat for what it is and your complete devotion to your own manmat.
Tell me, why does my opinion even matter to you? You don't like my views fine!Because you attempt to promote your opinion as an "alternative interpretation" of Sikhi instead of the diseased thoughts of a damaged mind that refuses to acknowledge anything else but its own manmat. Other than that, your views, and the views of the billion of Hindus are irrelevant as they have no say as to what Gumat is.
But when some bloke says he was born in Punjab and he never heard of Devi, blah blah, that's the most unpersuasive pind ignorance having nothing to do with all the sanatan murals whitewashed all over Punjab during Singh Sabha ascendancy.
Is that an "alternative interpretation" of singh2's post above. He said that he knew of no Singhs who worship devi. Is alleging that I said you literally have faeces in your mouth your "alternative interpretation" of me telling you that you suffer frm verbal diarrhoea? Seriously, if you cannot even read a post on a forum without understanding it, what hope do you have of understanding Gurbani?
Oh, and there's no need to tell us that our tuks fail to convince you, because you have already said above that you will no be convinced.
In fact, it really cheapens your forum that you people can't even have discussions which do not degenerate into blame and shame sessions when confronted by a different belief. It should be a very high quality intellectual forum which analyzes all points of view. Seriously going on the invalidation attack mode every time you see something you don't agree with is paranoid.
No, paranoid would be someone screaming about devi in every thread and how every Sikh here is trying to "erase" devi (I guess you must be really important and special to have to single handedly protect the goddess, right?), talking about Singh Sabha conspiracies and suspect translations that you have not even read when someone shows you tuks that contradict your beliefs, and trying to maintain a facade of righteous indignation when your utter stupidity is called out for what it is.
And I'm not personally attacking anyone's qualities to express my view or debate evidence presented.
What's to debate when you have already decided that you are right and everything else is a conspiracy?
And please, you have already insuted Guru Ji by breaking your rehat and drinking the foot juice of some moorakh who believes she a right to twist Sikhi to prmote her dehdari devi cult, so don't start whining about me calling a spade a spade and your gooroo a cult leader.
And no, I'm not part of some conspiracy to get you banned. In fact, I enjoy watching you try to "explain" a Gurbani tuk through torturous verbal manipulations and a 3000 word essay so it fits into your own unique and curious belief system when it is abundantly clear to everyone else what the tuk means.
I do however believe that you should be restricted and your posts moderated so that anything you write that has nothing to do with the topic is deleted. This is because you have destroyed every thread you have entered after you have steered it in the direction of your devi cult teachings.
K.
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ਨਮੋ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੀ ਹਰੀ ਸੀ ਮੁਕੰਦੀ ॥੨੭॥੨੪੬॥ नमो पारब्रहमी हरी सी मुकंदी ॥२७॥२४६॥
Thou art the maya of Unmanifested Brahman and the Shakti of Shiva! I salute Thee.27.246.
ਜਯੰਤੀ ਨਮੋ ਮੰਗਲਾ ਕਾਲਕਾਯੰ ॥ जयंती नमो मंगला कालकायं ॥
Thou art the bestower of cheerfulness to all, the conqueror of all and the manifestation of Kal (death).
ਕਪਾਲੀ ਨਮੋ ਭਦ੍ਰਕਾਲੀ ਸਿਵਾਯੰ ॥ कपाली नमो भद्रकाली सिवायं ॥
O Kapali! (the goddess carrying begging bowl), Shiva-Shakti! (the power of Shiva) and Bhadrakali!
~Shri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji p. 293
Are you actually thick or has your gooroo's foot juice destropyed too many of your brain cells? That is part of Dasmesh Pita's translation of Markandeya Purana. It's ever so slightly idiotic to claim that this then proves Durga is what she is claimed to be in Shakta doctrine. Yes, Durga is a manifestation of Kal, as is Rama who destroyed Ravana and Kumbhakaran, and so on -
but THEY ARE NOT KAL.
You are a liar as can be proven by reading all the threads about Devi.
LOL. You mean every single thread you have posted on that has become a thread about your devi?
?Why am I "ruining" a thread simply to discuss? What are you so afraid of? Why don't you actually look at the points and then honestly and intelligently discuss them instead of fighting with broad over-general invalidations
BECAUSE THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT YOU NOR YOUR IDOL WORSHIPPING STUPIDITY, YOU IGNORANT AND OBNOXIOUS FOOL! How many fricken times do people have to say it before it penetrates that dense skull of yours? If you want to make a thread about how great devi is and howgreat your gooroo's feet taste, then go right ahead. But STOP entering every thread with the same propaganda you have been spewing since you got here.
Are you denying that Devi worship ever existed in the purataan Sikh Panth?
Wiping one's ass with putay may have existed in the puratan Sikh Panth, but I don't think it is worth discussing since it has nothing to do with Sikhi.
I'm sorry, but it's clear that you are simply here to promote Devi worship, and to justify your own bemukh actions to us and I believe to yourself also, despite your occasional protestations to the contrary. Why else would you say "I'm not suggesting Sikhs should worship Devatay" and then say "oh, but puratan Sikhs worshipped Devi so it's OK".
I suggest that you see a shrink instead of using this forum to work through your religious confusion.
K.
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It is abundantly clear that Shri Dasam Granth has established the supremacy of Durga Kali Devi as the sargun manifestation of the Parabrahm, just as is taught in the Kali tantras.
LOL. First it was Vishnu who is supreme because Vaishnav names are used in Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Krishna calls himself supreme in Bhagavad Gita, then it was Shiva because Mahakaal is a name of his and Shiva is decsribed as Sadashiv in the tantras, now it is Kali because her worshippers say she's the best, the biggest and the baddest.
Any fool can quote a dozen or so Hindu granths that declare any devata you can think of as being the supreme. Do you know that there are even Shaivite worshippers of Ganesh who consider him supreme? Hindu granths are irrelevant when understanding Gurbani's position on the status of these devatay (that includes your precious Devi).
ਯਾ ਕਲ ਮੈਂ ਸਭ ਕਾਲ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ਕੇ ਭਾਰੀ ਭੁਜਾਨ ਕੋ ਭਾਰੀ ਭਰੋਸੋ ॥੯੨॥
In this Iron age, the supreme trust is only for KAL, Who is the Sword-incarnate and hath mighty arms.
ਸੁੰਭ ਨਿਸੁੰਭ ਸੇ ਕੋਟ ਨਿਸਾਚਰ ਜਾਹਿ ਛਿਨੇਕ ਬਿਖੈ ਹਨਿ ਡਾਰੇ ॥
He, who hath destroyed millions of demons like Sumbh and Nisumbh in and instant.
ਧੂਮਰਲੋਚਨ ਚੰਡ ਔ ਮੁੰਡ ਸੇ ਮਾਹਿਖ ਸੇ ਪਲ ਬੀਚ ਨਿਵਾਰੇ ॥
Who hath annihilated in and instant the demons like Dhumarlochan, Chand, Mund and Mahishasura.
~Shri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji p. 109
Who is the KAL of the Kaliyuga? Why Kali!
Who is traditionally represented as a sword/Khanda? Why Kali!
Who destroyed the demons Sumbh and Nisumbh? Why Kali!
Who destroyed Mahishasura? Why the very same KAL.
Keep reading beyond the tuks you've selectively quoted:
ਮੁੰਡਹੁ ਸੇ ਮਧੁਕੀਟਭ ਸੇ ਮੁਰ ਸੇ ਅਘ ਸੇ ਜਿਨਿ ਕੋਟਿ ਦਲੇ ਹੈਂ ॥
He, Who hath mashed millions of demons like Mundakasura, Madhu, Kaitabh, Murs and Aghasura.
ਰਾਵਣ ਸੇ ਮਹਰਾਵਣ ਸੇ ਘਟਕਾਨਹੁ ਸੇ ਪਲ ਬੀਚ ਪਛਾਰੇ ॥
Thou hast destroyed in and instant the warriors like Ravana, Kumbhkarna and Ghatksura.
ਬਾਰਿਦਨਾਦ ਅਕੰਪਨ ਸੇ ਜਗ ਜੰਗ ਜੁਰੇ ਜਿਨ ਸਿਉ ਜਮ ਹਾਰੇ ॥
And like Meghnad, who could defeat even Yama in the war.
ਕੁੰਭ ਅਕੁੰਭ ਸੇ ਜੀਤ ਸਭੈ ਜਗ ਸਾਤਹੂੰ ਸਿੰਧ ਹਥਿਆਰ ਪਖਾਰੇ ॥
And the demons like Kumbh and Akumbh, who conquering all, washed away the blood from their weapons in seven seas, etc.
ਜੇ ਜੇ ਹੁਤੇ ਅਕਟੇ ਬਿਕਟੇ ਸੁ ਕਟੇ ਕਰਿ ਕਾਲ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ਕੇ ਮਾਰੇ ॥੯੫॥
All of them died with the terrible sword of the mighty KAL.95.
It wasn't Kali who killed Aghasura, Ravana, Kumbhkarna or Ghatksura, or Kumbh and Akumbh.
Kal is the force of Akal Purakh that acts to destroy adharam, and it acts through Durga, Krishna, and the other Devatay and avatas who fought for dharam.
That is who Devi is. It isn't that some male God aspect is acting through Devi as a demi-god. KAL isn't male or female, that is just a symbology for Pure Shakti. She is a unity with KAL Bairav, male and female destructive symbolism of the ultimate face of Sadashiva. But in aspect of KAL, Devi is actually expressing the fullness of the nirguna Itself, with all the power to destroy every demi-god and every temporary thing by power of time and death, war and steel. Because She is Parapakrti and Sarb Akal. She is the One Force Parashakti who is beyond Time and therefore able to liberate us from it.
How strange that this is your conclusion and by pure coincidence you are a Devi worshipper! :-) You can talk as much nonsense as you like, you can quote as many hindu granths as you like, but the fact of the mater is that there is nothing in Gurbani to support your hindumat. In fact, as others have already shown you, there are plenty of tuks in Gurbani that show that Durga is another creation of Akal Purakh.
And congratulations on ruining another thread with your incessant chatter about Devi this and Devi that in a thread that had nothing to do with your Devi worshipping crap.
K.
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The following is a passage from Khalsa Dharam Shaastar which is written by Bhai Avatar Singh Vahiria in 1914. Avatar Singh was a student of Bhai Khem Singh Ji Bedi.
Isn't this the same guy who believed that shudras could only enter the outer precincts of Harimandir Sahib and go no further? Though I find his work interesting, I would not call his views traditional.
K.
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It obviously became another discussion, and not about this veers personal questions.
Funny how every thread you reply to magically becomes a conversation about Devi worship, what what?
Veer Ji. I respect that we have a difference of opinion, and you are not wrong. But if you would open your mind just a little, and at least look at what I'm presenting from the Hindu perspective, you will see that Hindu scriptures do in fact interpret MahaKAAL as AKAAL Purakh. Now, in my mind it really comes down to semantics, most people envision AKAAL Purakh as male, and MahaKAAL as feminine, and in fact there are a unity of both male and female and beyond male and female.My sole issue is the way Sikhi modernly eliminates and invalidates Devi, rather than incorporating that aspect of Devi which is actually the female aspect of the same Divine Beloved. Other than that, yes I agree all devatay and avtaray are part of the finite created order and passing away. The brains and eyes which perceive experiences of them will also pass away. Yet, try to look for a moment at the everlasting underlying reality which underlies it all.
Nope, that's not your sole issue. You said that Kal in Gurbani refers to Durga because the names of Madhu Kaitabh, Sumbh Nisumbh were mentioned. You were shown that Kal is also declared to be the destroyer of other entities whom Durga did not destroy (according to Hindu mythology) and hence your logic is flawed.
Sikhi does not envision Akaal Purakh as being masculine, neither does Dasam Granth describe Mahakaal as feminine. However you or other people interpret those names is neither here nor there. And neither is what Hindu granths say about Mahakaal and the rest of their divinities since Gurbani makes it very clear that the Devatay are not what they say they are.
The underlying reality of all things is Akaal Purakh, but that does not mean that Devi or Shiva or I am Akaal Purakh This is something you seem unwilling to comprehend.
Can't you at least accept that much that sarguna, as even Guru Sahibaan own bodies crumbled into dust
The Gurus were pooran avatar of Akaal Purakh, yet they forbade their Sikhs rom worshipping them. Compare this with the egotistical speech of Krishna who claimed in the Bhagavad Gita that he was the Supreme Himself, and you may yet grasp why we do not worship any devatay or avatars and why Gurbani speaks of the ego of these avatars.
And I don't believe you on the Govind Sadhan translations not being different as there are posted controversies already. But I was hoping some Singhs who like to translate for themselves controversial granths, who are far more fluent than I ever will be, might at least be interested to look at the two published Dasam Granths and post here their findings instead of just making empty, bold claims.
You don't believe me? Then learn Gurmukhi and show otherwise. Until that time you need to QUIT WHINING about translations being suspect because you don't want to believe them.
K.
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KAL killed the demon-kings Madhu, Kaitabh, Sumbah, Nisumbh and Sranavat Beej. Okay. So who is the KAL who killed these very specific demons? It's not a mystery.
Read the names that follow. It wasn't Durga who killed Prithu, Mandhata, Bhim, Rama, Krishna, etc. It is the manifest power of Akal Purakh that is being praised.
ਬਲੀ ਪ੍ਰਿਥੀਅੰ ਮਾਨਧਾਤਾ ਮਹੀਪੰ ॥ ਜਿਨੈ ਰਥ ਚੱਕ੍ਰ ਕੀਏ ਸਾਤ ਦੀਪੰ ॥
The mighty king Prithu and the great sovereign like Mandhata who had demarcated seven continents with his chariot-wheel.
ਭੁਜੰ ਭੀਮ ਭਰਥੰ ਜਗੰ ਜੀਤਿ ਡੰਡਿਯੰ॥ ਤਿਨੈ ਅੰਤ ਕੇ ਅੰਤ ਕੌ ਕਾਲ ਖੰਡਿਯੰ॥੬੫॥
The king Bhim and the Bharat, who had conquered and brought the world under their control with the strength of arms. They were all destroyed by KAL, when they were nearing their end.65.
ਜਿਨੈ ਦੀਪ ਦੀਪੰ ਦੁਹਾਈ ਫਿਰਾਈ ॥ ਭੁਜਾ ਦੰਡ ਦੈ ਛੋਣਿ ਛਤ੍ਰੰ ਛਿਨਾਈ ॥
He, who hath created the frightening dominance of His Name. He, who had snatched the earth from the Kshatriyas with the strength of staff-like arms.
ਕਰੇ ਜਗ ਕੋਟੰ ਜਸੰ ਅਨਿਕ ਲੀਤੇ ॥ ਵਹੈ ਬੀਰ ਬੰਕੇ ਬਲੀ ਕਾਲ ਜੀਤੇ ॥੬੬॥
He, who had performed millions of Yajnas (sacrifices) and erned multi-faceted approbation. Even that winsome warrior (Parasuram) hath been conquered by KAL.66.
ਕਈ ਕੋਟ ਲੀਨੇ ਜਿਨੈ ਦੁਰਗ ਢਾਹੇ ॥ ਕਿਤੇ ਸੂਰਬੀਰਾਨ ਕੇ ਸੈਨ ਗਾਹੇ ॥
Those who had conquered millions of forts and razed them. Those who had treaded the forces of innumerable warriors.
ਕਈ ਜੰਗ ਕੀਨੇ ਸੁ ਸਾਕੇ ਪਵਾਰੇ ॥ ਵਹੈ ਦੀਨ ਦੇਖੇ ਗਿਰੇ ਕਾਲ ਮਾਰੇ ॥੬੭॥
Those who had indulged in many wars, events and disputes, I have seen them subdued and killed by KAL.67
ਜਿਨੈ ਪਾਤਸਾਹੀ ਕਰੀ ਕੋਟ ਜੁਗਿਯੰ ॥ ਰਸੰ ਆਨਰਸੰ ਭਲੀ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਭੁਗਿਯੰ॥
Those who had ruled for millions of ages, and had enjoyed nicely the pleasures and vicious tastes.
ਵਹੈ ਅੰਤ ਕੋ ਪਾਵ ਨਾਂਗੇ ਪਧਾਰੇ ॥ ਗਿਰੇ ਦੀਨ ਦੇਖੇ ਹਠੀ ਕਾਲ ਮਾਰੇ ॥੬੮॥
They had ultimately gone with naked feet. I have seen them having been subdued, fallen and killed by the persistent KAL.68.
ਜਿਨੈ ਖੰਡੀਅੰ ਦੰਡ ਧਾਰੰ ਅਪਾਰੰ ॥ ਕਰੇ ਚੰਦ੍ਰਮਾ ਸੂਰ ਚੇਰੇ ਦੁਆਰੰ ॥
He, who had destroyed many kings, He, who had enslaved the moon and the sun in his house.
ਜਿਨੈ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਸੇ ਜੀਤ ਕੈ ਛੋਡਿ ਡਾਰੇ ॥ ਵਹੈ ਦੀਨ ਦੇਖੇ ਗਿਰੇ ਕਾਲ ਮਾਰੇ ॥੬੯॥
He (as Ravana), had conquered the god Indra in war and later released him. I have seen (him and Meghnad) being subdued, fallen and killed by KAL.69.
ਰਸਾਵਲ ਛੰਦ ॥
RASAAVAL STANZA
ਜਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਹੂਏ ॥ ਸਭੈ ਅੰਤਿ ਮੂਏ ॥
All the Ramas who incarnated, ultimately passed away.
ਜਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਹੈਂ ॥ ਸਭੈ ਅੰਤਿ ਜੈ ਹੈਂ ॥੭੦॥
All the Krishnas, who had incarnated, have all passed away.70.
ਜਿਤੇ ਦੇਵ ਹੋਸੀ ॥ ਸਭੈ ਅੰਤ ਜਾਸੀ ॥
All the gods who will come into being in future, they will all ultimately expire.
Yep, that includes Devi who was created from the combined power of the Devatay. When those same Devatay expire, so will Durga.
And quit whining about translations being suspect merely because they do not agree with your theories. Even the Gobind Sadan version, whose pothia you have been praising despite your inability to read them, has the same translation for these and the other tuks you were questioning in the other thread.
And for God's sake, stop littering these threads with irrelevant crap in your pitiful attempts to elevate your chosen deity to some sort of equivalent to Akal Purakh.
K.
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I think he's on about gupt singh1699 and not you harjas kaur lol
Yep. I expect apologies and rasmalai to be sent to my address in abchal nagar by fedex.
K.
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Krishan Bishen refer to Krishna and Vishnu. As to the identity of Kal, it's pretty clear tha the reference is to Akal Purakh and not any devata or devi.
To anyone who was wondering, the Gobind Sadan Dasam Granth pothia have exactly the same tuk and exactly the same translation as given above. See page 402 of the 2648 pdf of all the pothia or angs 148-149 of their version of Krishan Avatar.
As to the hindu mat being propagated above by the poster who claims that Kal is a reference to kali:
:-D
K.
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doubts like is it true that a Shastar needs to be placed in front of you and the Paath is done only in the mornings...also i have Ugardanti printed together should I do Ugardanti together? I in fact enjoy Ugardanti more...
Yes, Chandi di Var is read before sunset, best time as always is at amritvela. You have to read it continuously until the following morning if you read it after sunset. Sant Baba Harnam Singh's diary Se Kinehyaa explains this maryada.
Baba Santa Singh in his Panth Prakash Steek says that one should be standing and wearing shastars when one reads Chandi bani. BUT I think this is an ideal since not even Nihangs do this in private (not that I've witnessed anyway). You can have nangi shaster in front of you in an elevated place when you read Chandi di Var, but this is not necessary either. You should be wearing a kirpan at the very least though.
MODS, please remove the irrelevant off-topic anti-Dasam Granth propaganda.
K.
Original Bhrigu Samhita And Mayan Calandar
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It's a jyotish book. I've seen jyotish books for sale called the Bjrigu Samhita in Hindi, all of which claim to be the original, but the details are different as far as I know. You can probably find copies on the web someplace. It's sometimes called Bhrigu Shastra.
I believe it's one of those legendary books, ascribed to Bhrigu (i.e., a mythical sage of immense power), but likely written and added to by many jyotish scholars over an extended period of time.
There is a similar situation in the Western esoteric tradition with a book called the Key of Solomon which is supposedly written by the biblical King Solomon. The original supposedly exists someplace and is a tome of awesome power by which one can command demons (like King Solomon who used the services of demons to construct the Temple in Jerusalem), but you can buy various copies in your local bookstore for about £15.
The same thing is said about granths called Indra Jal and Rudra Jal in India (Panth Prakash says that it was from these books that Banda Singh Bahadur got his various powers). The originals are apparently thousands of years old, but you can buy copies of various Indra Jals from any book store in India.
However, there's always the possibility that there are very old copies lying around. Maybe someone can visit this guy in Hoshiarpur and take some pics?
K.