Kaljug

Kalyug ji

Your posts make a lot of sense. Are you Bahadar singh who once participated on sikhe.com a few years back.

Fateh!

Nope. I think that the Bahadur Singh on sikhe.com was Fransisco Jose Luis who converted to Islam and now uses the name Ishraqi on this forum (see my sig for the list of his other names).

Regards,

K.

Keep on guessing.:-). Thanks for being honest that you do not have facts,hence guesswork becomes one's speciality.

Tejwant Singh

Keep on making accusations, since it's pretty much the only thing you Kala Afghana chelas are capable of doing.

K.

I agree with you. Braj Basha should be studied and learnt by all premis of Dasam Bani. I wish there was some online website where I would learn this beautiful language, but I cannot find any. I went to India and couldn't find any books on this subject either. You can find books teaching all sorts of languages, but not Braj Basha. If anyone knows of any book please share it with the sangat.

Rupert Snell's The Hindi Classical Reader: A Braj Bhasa Reader was the one an SOAS guy recommended. I think you can find some of it for free at google books.

Buy it here or directly from SOAS:

http://www.routledge.com/shopping_cart/pro...ent_id=&pc=

Enjoy,

K.

Ekta ji,

Guru Fateh.

What was wrong with my post which said that," Singh 2 has said himself many times that he does not accept Guru Granth Sahib as our ONLY GURU and his claim that REHAT is not mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib ji after which he was given the Panna numbers in which Guru Sahib does mention Rehat?

Can you please elaborate from Gurmat viewpoint about deleting that post?

Lastly, If you want to ban someone because a person wants to have an open and honest dialogue about Gurmat values, then that would be your decision, based on what, I have no idea.

Thanks

Tejwant Singh

I'm guessing it was deleted because it's an outright lie. Every Sikh here believes gurgaddi was given to Sri Guru Granth Sahib, and the panktis that Ullo Ka shick or Kala Afghana ki navel Fuzz (or whatever it calls itself now) quoted to prove that 5 kakaar rehat is contained in Sri Guru Granth Sahib do no such thing (unless of course you have the really, really super "special" and unique understanding of the Adi Granth that only it has).

K.

Kala Afghana da Sickophant:

t’s not perfect but it’s the best analysis we got today. I wouldn’t want Rapists ‘Sants’ like Dhanwant Singh, Maan Singh Pehove Wala, telling me what those Anthreev Bahv Arth are? They will probably combine ‘Gurbani’ and make a ‘cocktail’ with Kok Shatsar from Dasam Granth (as per you boys previous postings) and present to young females in Sangat. I can only imagine how many of the female attendees in the ‘sangat’ will get ‘bache di daat’!

Mods, do your job and moderate, or just get rid of this creature.

K.

DO NOT take this is if you have even slight blood pressure or joint pain/ arthritis. It is a pro-inflammatory and can make things worse.

The nutritionist and researcher Mike Roussell says:

Well, yes. If you have high blood pressure or arthritis, you should not really be consuming red meat either.

I naturally assume people will do their own research before they start taking supplements, but perhaps I shouldn't be making such assumptions in this place.

The pro-inflammatory nature of AA is sort of how it works, and in my experience it works pretty well when taken for short periods of time.

K.

Fateh!

For those who don't eat red meat, a good supplement to take is arachidonic acid. You can get it in the form of a supplement (e.g., molecular nutrition's x-factor). It may however still have the health risks associated with red meat.

K.

Some very good points, but this is what seemed to work for me.

Don't worry too much about fats from milk if you are skinny, and also not there is only soo much protein your body can assimilate. The amount of eggs you have can go up and down according to your body.

Tofu hmmm been reading about Oestregen and that of late, so I would avoid any soya crap. Maybe Milk Whey protein if you are a vege.

Protein is not the name of the came, it's the TYPE that is important and assimilation.

Fateh!

Yes, diet is pretty individual and at the end of the day one has to find out out what works by trial and error.

Protein is protein, doesn't really matter where it comes from. What is important is timing your consumption to make best use of your body's ability to use it all (e.g., post workout).

Most of the research on tofu increasing estrogen in males is funded by meat companies. It may be true, but it's unlikely given that the Chinese have been eating it for centuries without their men growing breasts and crying after watching Thelma and Louise.

Kudos for having the nads to put your training routine and diet up for all to see.

K.

Edit:

used to trains at Bill Stevens and Wag Bennets in East London. There were legends like Bertil Fox there, you may have heard of.

Yeesh, you must be ancient!

Kala Aghana da Sikh:

Mod edit

Mods, either do a better job of moderating the disgusting comments of this piece of filth, or ban him altogether.

Shame on you for allowing this kind of disrespect of Sikhs.

K.

From here:

http://popularsikh.com/node/85805 (edited)

Discuss.

K.

GillAUS:

Welcome to the forum and thanks for your input on what's going on in Australia.

What are the gurdwaras in the community doing there? Perhaps this would be a good idea for them to reach out to the Indian student population and start running some basic Sikhi and self-defence classes. Then we can see how brave these Lebanese and redneck thugs are when faced with a jhatha of Shastardari dumaala-sporting kirpan-wielding Gursikhs trained in shastar vidiya.

If the police are doing nothing about these racist attacks, then there are two options open to the Indian population there: they can organise themselves into fraternal and underground organisations like the Italian- and Sicilian-Americans who established the American Cosa Nostra in the 19th century when they emigrated to the States, or they can do what the Irish-Americans did to battle dicrimination in the US and fill the ranks of the police with people to protect their own.

Fateh,

K.

OP:

Unless you were very small to begin with, there's no way that diet is going to enable you to bulk (unless you are getting most of your protein from milk, in which case you are also getting a whole lot of fat along with it).

If you eat two whole eggs a day and two chicken breasts a day, that makes approximately 72 grams of protein from whole food sources. You need between 1.5-2.0g of protein per pound of your desired body weight to grow. That means, if you weigh 200lbs now, you need at least 300g of protein just to maintain your current weight. You're also not eating frequently enough. Try eating around 6 smallish meals a day, and add pre- and post-workout protein/carb shakes.

It's a little harder to balance protein/fat ratios on a vegetarian diet, but it's quite possible to get enough protein without consuming meat, fish or eggs. For example, 1/2 cup of cottage cheese is around 15g of protein, 1/2 cup of tofu is 20g, 1/2 cup of almonds is 16g, lentils/dal contains anything between 7-10g per 1/2 cup (precooked lentils).

Mithar:

Look up 5x5 routines to build mass and strength, and concentrate on the big 3: squat, deadlift, and bench. You can spend a day on each, and throw in some supplementary exercises when and if you want to.

Regards,

K.

Fateh!

An article about the nocebo effect and psychogenic illness:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2022...ody.html?page=1

You may not worry about jadu toona these days, or evil old Tantric babas mumbling their maranam mantras at us, but your doctor might still be able to kill you with his words.

K.

Fateh!

First Khalsa Fauj retires then Guru Da Sikh enters the fray.

Good people, I do believe that we have a tagteam on our hands.

I'm just waiting for the Nasty Boys to turn up now.

K.

The Khalsa Fauj:

Also Kaljug, we saw who ran away in 80s to Canada to seek refugee status. Was it anti-DG people or pro-DG which are in control of most Guruduaras. Your logic about cutting hair failed right there. Also, the Dasam Granth reading nihungs took 3 crore from indira to rebuild akaal takht. Not only that, you dasam granth has no joined hands with the RSS as witnessed by reports and pictures all ove media.

And what follower of Kala Afghana and Inder Gagga's gave shaheedi exactly? And what was it that Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale said again about nastiks and Dasam Granth?

This is final post here, bring proper debate as I can't keep wasting time debting with those who don't have any stand and just post quotes from Guru Granth Sahib Ji without understanding them and do nothing but make assumptions.

Yes, that's right. Accuse everyone of being stupid because we clearly don't gave the special understanding of Sri Guru Granth Sahib that you do and then run away.

K.

Khalsa Fauj:

You can keep doing aarths to Hindu mat and keep falling in trap. Choice is yours. No wonder you believe in Dasam Granth.

Etymology not Hindu Mat. You reinvent the meanings of words for your own purposes and then have the gall to whine about no one understanding you?

Very easy to dodge question by saying silly and dramatic when you are the one being silly by saying there is no difference between saying God has 4 hand and saying God’s hand protected me. One is clearly literal and the other is clearly an expression.

There was no question, you were just making up completely idiotic meanings for expressions you clearly do not understand. It's clear to every single person, except you, reading these threads that the only one dodging questions and changing subjects every 2nd post is you.

Jehdi jamiir mar jaandee, ohdi aatmaa mar he jaandee. A soul which is stuck in duality is dead and needs to be awakened.

Absolute rubbish. Atman does not die because one is unaware of it, no more than the moon ceases to exist when the sun comes out.

Cold is the cause for the physical ailment while burning is the sensation experienced by the person. Maybe you should read Gurbani and you will know the difference between Gurbani which is pooran sach and Dasam Granth (an anti-Gurmat book).

Blah blah blah.

Let me know when you and your fellow missionary nincompoops are on Jerry Springer and I'll be sure to tune in.

K.

Be careful brother, these Kala Afghanists do not believe Sikhism is part of the Indic tradition of religions. They have an allergy to anything Indian, especially anything relating to Hinduism. These Hindu Phobes have reduced Sikhism into a Semitic Middle Eastern faith.

Fateh!

What's to be careful about? These people have little learning and no bhagti or shakti. They may be able to spread their idiocy now, and foolish people may even be impressed by their non-existent phds and correspondence course degrees from their shanty town educational institutions, but when they die, they will be the one's being laughed at by Dharam Raj as jamdoots tear them apart limb from limb.

If Jung comes before then, they will also be the first to convert and shave their beards and trample their turbans under their feet because their lack of naam abhyaas and bhagti will mean that they lack the confidence and faith to face death with equanmity and acceptance of His Hukam.

Regards,

K.

The Khalsa Fauj:

Saying God has 4 arms sure isn't Gurmat because then God is no longer Nirankaar.

Why are you guys debating a granth none of you have actually read from head to toe?

So, saying a granth has a head and toes means it's not a book? Or is it a figure of speech? It's clear that you have no idea how similes, metaphors, analogies, allusions and figurative speech work, despite your claims that you do. This is not a cheap shot, it's actually an illustration of your inability to think in any but literal terms.

When Maradona claimed that it was the Hand of God that enabled him to score the winning goal in the World Cup, he wasn't talking about a big hand coming out of the sky and tapping the ball into the net.

Some people don't understand Sargun and Nirgun and keep repeating themselves without reading posts.

Once again for final time:

Nirgun = Without the three elements or Maaya (Above maayaa)

Sargun = Sarab Srayst (greatest of all, most inspiring)

Your translation of these two terms is incorrect and has no basis in historical etymology.

Mahakaal = great death = death worse than physical death = spiritual death or aatmac death

How can it mean God in any circumstances then?

See above. Now you are just being silly and dramatic.

Same way, adding maha in front of kaal only makes it a bigger death which is spiritual death. There is nothing worse than spiritual death in Gurmat. Physical death comes to everyone, it is part of nature and life. Gurmat doesn't consider it death because that death is the death which unites us with the Lord if we bhagat karam, however if we are busy reading or promoting third party books, then that death is really bad because chance to meet God is lost.

Aatman does not die according to Gurbani.

I sure know what those are. You aren't going to use fire to represent cold by any means unless you are lost. Instead of these cheap shots, why don't you study Gurbani and bring the quote where Mahakaal is used for God. It is hard to debate with illeterate people who have never read or understood Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Have you never heard of cold burns? It's amusing that you call people illiterate when it's completely evident from your post that your reading comprehension is non-existent. Perhaps if you spent some time reading fiction and poetry instead of posting nonsensical statements in every thread, you might be able to understand these things.

Regards,

K.

Show me Guru Granth Sahib Ji quote where Kaal or Mahakaal is used for God. What is your definition of functional names? Any names describing actions that occur? Kaal is death, mahakaal is an even worse death, spiritual death and Gurbani says to stay away from Mahakaal. Why would Guru Ji tell us to stay away from Mahakaal if it is God or an attribute of God? Clearly, you are just making general statements to proveyourself. How does God get 4 arms since God doesn't have any attributes? Read bachitter natak which says that God has 4 arms. Quote is chatur baah chaarung. Look it up.

You are the one who doens't understand. That quote is talking about the union betweent he soul and God. It has nothing to do with physical attributes. Any time you say God has arms or grinding teeth, you go against Mool Mantar's philosophy of Nirankaar, Akaal Moorat.

Look up metaphor, analogy, and simile in a dictionary or take a course in basic literary criticism, because these are used many times in bani.

Why are you guys debating a granth none of you have actually read from head to toe?

Does a granth have a head and toes, then?

Regards,

K.

in Kibber Choers Singhs book from 1769 the two grants are mentioned as two siblings. Adi Granth being the brother(masculine) and Dasam Granth being the sister (feminine) ..

Now when you say God is portrayed in masculine terms in Adi and feminine terms in Dasam it makes perfect sense why kibber singh made Dasam the sister and Adi the brother (for a long time i've wondered why Dasam was sister since it deals with masculine topics such as war etc, while Adi was the brother when it talks about "feminine" and soft topics such as pyar and longing after the beloved)

Fateh!

The bani in the two Granths serves two separate and distinct purposes: the Adi Granth describes the love of God's worshippers for Him and how one is to obtain Him, the Dasam Granth describes God's power and how She manifests it in Her creation.

Indic religions traditionally have always described God's Shakti in feminine terms and the Supreme Being in masculine ones, e.g., in Shakta tradition, whereas Shakti is dynamic and active, Shiva is passive, immutable and transcendent; however, one cannot exist without the other, and similarly the Adi Granth and Dasam Granth are two parts of a whole.

Regards,

K.

LOL Sorry Neo.

But yes, it's the same case.

K.

There is a difference between 'trying to convert' and doing parchaar.

Yep.

From a purely practical point of view, if Sikhs were doing good parchaar and not so worried that they were commiting some kind of sin by sharing the teachings of Sikhi, there would be a lot more Sikhs - and more Sikhs equals more political clout.

If there were more of us, we would not have some of the problems that we have today, e.g., Badal would not have to compromise Sikh interests to get votes from followers of Deray Babay, we would have gotten justice for '84 by now, we may even have had an independent Sikh state.

In short, we would have much more influence to effect change for the betterment of the Panth. Isn't that worth the effort involved in spreading knowledge of Sikhi?

K.

Words can mean different things to an extent. Tha vaar 41 has many thing to talk about. We will discuss that some other time. I got other things to do as well. I rely on Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Bhagautee is feminine. God is Khasam, Mittar, Swami, Dosat, Akaal Purakh, Aad Purakh, Nirankaar, etc.

Not Khasaman, Mitaree, Swaman, Dostan, Naar, Akaal Naar, Aad Naar, Nirankaran, etc. so Bhagautee can never mean Akaal Purakh no matter how you slice it. It can mean sword but Sikhs aren't worshippers of mindless weapons. Worship of weapons is same as worhip of horses, cows, idols, moortees, etc. Sikh is worshipper of only Akaal Purakh.

Fateh!

It might be helpful to understand the place of the Markandaya Puran (from which Dasmesh Pita draws inspiration for Chandi bani) in the Hindu religious canon. This Purana marked a transition point in Hindu religious consciousness. Prior to the writing of Durga Saptashati, God was conceived in completely masculine terms, as the most powerful and important Vedic deities were male, and female deities were either unimportant or regarded solely as consorts to the male gods.

Durga Saptashati was one of the first (and arguably one of the most important) texts that attempted to desribe divinity in feminine terms. In the purana, the feminine principle is regarded as independent of the male deities of the Vedas and as a supreme force. It, more than any other religious text, was responsible for diminishing the power of the patriarchal hierarchy in the India of the time and for elevating woman above her role of simply being an appendage to her man.

As such, it's not too difficult to imagine why Guru Gobind Singh would have chosen to translate and rewrite this text. In doing so, Guru Gobind Singh added an additional dimension to the personality of God as recorded in the Guru Granth Sahib (in which God is described in masculine terms), and ensured that women would be treated like Kaurs in the coming Sikh Raj.

Regards,

K.

Fateh!

They've changed the wording since to reflect the fact that there is caste consciousness in the Sikh community.

K.

The Khalsa Fauj:

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K.