Kaljug

http://sikhsangat.org/1469/2009/06/sikh-gu...-stabbed-in-oz/

Melbourne, Australia: Racial assaults continue unchecked in Australia. On Monday, a Sikh gurdwara was vandalized in Shepparton, a small town 90km north of Melbourne.

Racist graffiti and swastikas were scribbled on its walls, eggs thrown at it and the fencing around the gurdwara smashed by a car. On Tuesday, another Indian student was stabbed in the chest by a box-cutter knife on his way to college in east Melbourne.

Meanwhile, Australia set up an inquiry committee to look into the attacks even as Union minister for overseas Indian affairs Vayalar Ravi said his ministry would prepare and maintain a register of all Indians studying abroad and streamline campus placements to foreign universities.

Nardeep Singh, a 20-year-old from Ludhiana, was assaulted in a car park. The five attackers initially asked for cigarettes. When the student replied he was a non-smoker, they asked for money. On refusal, one of them stabbed him in the chest. Nardeep is a student of nursing at the Chisholm Technical Institute.

Singh, who had arrived in Australia only a month ago, fled to the police station where his statement was recorded. He is under observation in a Melbourne hospital.

Mods:

Perhaps it would be good for you to clarify what things are allowed in this forum.

Is this a forum where Sikhs get to engage in Islamic apologetics since we seem to believe that Muslims are not doing a good enough job themselves, or is it a place where we can question the message of the Quran, discuss the practices that Muslims believe to be inspired by God but that we believe are not, and disseminate the truth about Islam's violent history in India in the times of our Gurus and in every other place and every other time that it has existed?

If you expect Sikhs here to tiptoe around controversial topics for fear of offending Muslims who are already offended by our not being Muslims, and to only offer praise and respect for Islam, then I suggest you just close this part of the forum since I can walk into a mosque and hear these same pretty untruths from the mouth of an Imam hungry for another convert.

Regards,

Kaljug Singh.

You guys still don't get it? These are Kala Afghanists! Their views have been proven false all over the Internet and in India. Yet they will still not change their views. They are not here have a useful healthy debate as brothers. For them we are enemies, there is no brotherly love between them and us. As Kalyug as pointed out, even if their views are defeated, they will disappear for a while and return. They will keep returning until they attract new recruits. Most Sikhs, whether they are traditional Singh Sabhiyas, AKJ, Sampradayak, Nihangs etc have the same core beliefs and they all base their beliefs based is Naam Simran, Bhagti. These people do not even believe in Naam Simran on the Gurmantra which sets them apart from all other Sikhs. When our middle ground is not the same, what is left to debate with them???

Instead of wasting 1 or 2 hours writing long replies to them daily, just spend that 1 or 2 hours on Naam Simran. That is time worth spent. Trust me, I know from experience that you cannot convince these people. These Kala Afghanists are like the Borg, they will not quit until they assimilate you.

LOL

Just let them learn by spending a few months of arguing with the blockhead and attempting to read the long-winded word-salad that these people think constitutes an argument.

I don't know why it is, but none of these Kala-Aghanis seem to be able to make a point without writing an 84 lakh word essay and using 108,000 words that are either obsolete or completely unnecessary. It's as if some poor fool has been forced to type randomly selected words from a 1920's English dictionary while sitting on the loo and trying to pass the remains of last night's extra-mirchi vindaloo.

I just wonder if the sangat here will try to reinvent the wheel and invite debate from the Ram Raiyas, Dhir Malias, and maybe the Naths and Siddhas too. Hell, why not get some kurimars in on this too?

Regards,

K.

If we ban these individuals it only shows our own weakness. We should be able to behave in a civilised manner instead of just killing and silencing everyone who dont share the same beliefs as ourselves.

I hope this individual is not banned, and that members such as kam, valli singh, tsingh and shaheediya will answer his questions.

silencing people is a sign of interlectual weakness.

Fateh!

If someone enters your house and starts slandering your father, it is weakness that makes you throw them out or is it respect for your parent?

If you are so desperate to debate them, go do it in one of their venues. There are plenty of places they call their own. I suggest you go and find out for yourself what their beliefs are and whether they are actually looking for debate or to simply to try to undermine Dasmesh Pita's writings.

Regards,

K.

Their views are easy enough to counter, and have been proven wrong many times before on this and other forums. While Maharaj Ji has said "Moorakhey Nal Na Lujiye", we have to be careful - by banning them before their views have been countered, they will claim we don't have the answers.

Matheen ji,

What is the point? They are countered and they disappear; then they reappear with the same arguments again and again. They are not here to debate, they are here to spread their rubbish in the hopes that they attract new followers among the more vulnerable and less well-read readers of these forums - they know that they do not have a leg to stand on, and they are not here to change their views.

The best idea would be to put up a sticky with counterproofs to their main arguments and leave these moorakhs to rot in their own stupidity.

Edit: does anyone here actually expect cogent arguments and scholarly repudiations from someone who is either too lazy or too ignorant to trim his posts?

Regards,

K.

ADMIN

WAKE UP AND DELETE THE KALA AFGHANIST'S POSTS,

WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DEROGATIVELY CALLING

SRI GURU GOBIND SINGH JI MAHARAJ 'GOBIND RAI'

DO YOU HAVE NO SHAME?

I FOUND YOU TEACHER'S TRIAL TRANSCRIPT MORE OFFENSIVE

THAN ANYTHING IN CHARITROPAKHIYAN.

Fateh, Veer ji!

I share your concerns.

To be honest, I think the mods here are too busy trying to be politically correct and naively tolerant to the point where they allow slander of Bani and the Gurus and allow people a platform for their anti-Sikhi parchar without giving thought to the fact that it may confuse young Sikhs reading these forums.

I hope they delete this moorakh, but I wouldn't hold your breath as the mods have allowed Bahadur Ali (formerly known as Bahadur Singh Nirmala and Francisco Jose Luis, and under various monikers on this forum such as Morghe Sahar, Lalleshvari, Javanmard, etc) to excrete his nonsense about Sikhi being nothing but a school of Shia Islam, that Guru Nanak Dev Ji was a Muslim and that we are all misguided idiots who need to be guided to the True Religion . He has also spread lies on his Shia forums about Nihangs using their dumalla shingar to rape Muslim women, among other truly despicable things that may result in actual bodily harm comning to Gursikhs who happen to live in the proximity of fanatical Muslims.

They have banned him several times, then allowed him back as soon as the Sangat's uproar has died down, but by that point the damage has already been done. Where are the Islamic boards where a Sikh would be allowed to utter similar things against their prophet and their precious deen?

Mods, if the Akal Takht has already declared these people as apostates, why are their views allowed to be aired here? Do you not feel that there are plenty of places on the internet where they have spread their filth, and that it is not too hard for a Gursikh who wants to read their ignorant writings to find them? Why give these people a platform here, in a place that is respected by follwers of the traditional schools of Sikh thought as well as the more modern?

I hope you will all think hard about how much tolerance a Sikh should display and that you are able distinguish clear boundaries about what is acceptable and what is not on a SIKH forum.

Regards,

K.

Donchya just love those Muslims?

http://sikhsangat.org/1469/2009/06/family-...malaysian-sikh/

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia: An ethnic Indian family is fighting with Islamic authorities in Malaysia for claiming the body of a Sikh art director who allegedly converted to Islam 17 years ago

The family’s lawyer said that religious authorities insisted Mohan Singh, a 41-year-old art director who died of a heart attack last Monday, had died a Muslim — a claim the family disputes.

His body has been kept at the mortuary of a government hospital in central Selangor state which has refused to release the remains to the family, lawyer Rajesh Kumar told AFP.

“When he died, he was a practising Sikh, he never told anybody and nobody knew that he had converted to Islam, including family and close friends. His identification card to date stated that he is still a non-Muslim,” Kumar said.

“The family is very upset. All they want is to claim the body and cremate him according to the Sikh rites,” he added.

The lawyer said that the Islamic authorities claimed Mohan, who had directed some local films, had converted to Islam in 1992 and was seeking confirmation of his conversion from an Islamic sharia court.

“Our contention is that at the time of his death, he was still practising Sikhism and even when his mother died three years ago, he performed the last rites for the mother according to the Sikh faith,” said Kumar.

“He wouldn’t be able to do so if he is a Muslim,” he said. The lawyer claimed that Mohan Singh was a practising Sikh and had gone to a Sikh temple with his sister recently.

Source: AFP

Fateh!

I've read much of Kala Afghana's work also, and it is as other people have already described it. He reduces Sikhi to the level of a moral code and a set of rules governing behaviour. Any hint of spirituality, mysticism, or miracles are either ignored or declared to be impossible due to science or unnacceptable due to the Guru's teachings on the rejection of superstition.

His lack of any kind of spiritual practice and experience means that he completely misses the obvious message of the shabad he happens to be quoting, and it is painful and embarrassing to watch his logical contortions and verbal manipulations to tease out some kind of hidden meaning when the message would be plainly visible to even a child who has been brought up on Gurbani and Sikh history.

Personally I find his reduction of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib to the level of some schoolboy textbook that can be understood by undergraduate level literary analysis and critical theory jejune and offensive. I believe that he is a closet communist and a nastik at heart.

Oh yes, and his criticism of Dasam Bani makes him a moorakh.

K.

First Orakzai in NWFP, now the Khyber Pass. Donchya just love those Muslims?

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-c...-agency-szh--08

Jazia tax imposed on Sikhs of Khyber Agency

By Ibrahim Shinwari

Wednesday, 03 Jun, 2009 | 03:54 AM PST |

BARA: Lashkar-i-Islam (Army of Islam) has imposed Jazia tax on non-Muslims at the rate of Rs1,000 per year per person on Sikhs living in Bara tehsil of Khyber Agency.

The decision was taken at a meeting between Lashkar-i-Islam chief Mangal Bagh and a delegation of the Sikh community held in Speen Qabar on Tuesday.

Lashkar Islam chief assured the delegation that if they paid the tax they would be fully protected from any threat.

About 7,000 Sikhs live in the Khyber Agency.

Ishraqi spouteth forth thusly:

The burden of validity is on you I am afraid. You're the one claiming things about Imam Khomeini (ra) using Saudi sources. There are enough serious books written by people who don't support Khomeini who say exactly the same as I do. The accounts of his wife and family are enough proof that you're a liar and the follower of a liar i.e. Crowley the Satanist. Following your argument I should assume than anyone but yourself knows more about your grandfather than you then. Great argument indeed.

Nope. You are the one who questioned the validity of the source. Prove it false or quit your whining about how those evil Saudis are smearing your ayatollah. Following your argument, we would speak to Hitler's grandchildren to establish the truth of the Holocaust. Great argument indeed.

Who tells you that sighe is just about sex. Many couples just do sighe in order to meet up and go out because you can only go out with a mehram. What else they do in their private life is none of your business. In the eyes of the law and God they are married. If you have a problem with people's private life take some Primrose Oil for your period pains! As for "Western promiscuity", the Catholic Church condemns it as much as Islam does. There is nothing European about promiscuity, it's just an aspect of global consumer culture. Sex outside mariage is a sin, except for Crowley and his awlad-e haram disciples like you.

It is your fellow co-religionists that are continuously obsessing about what European and American women are doing, my good man, so if it is anyone that needs supplements to balance their hormones, it is pretty much the whole of the Islamic world.

I've taken enough personal insults and false accusations from you. If you cannot play by the rules, I am going to request the mods to ban you.

May God guard me from your Shaytan Bagwas, your lies and your heresy.

K.

Ishraqi, he say:

the risalah you mentionned is a theoretical case illustrating a problem of jurisprudence. The problem is this one: In cases where a father gives his daughter away in marriage before she reaches nine what rights does her husband have. Again this is a theoretical case and Imam Khomeini (ra) just gave his opinion. In this case we have two conflicting issues. The first one if the husband's right and the other one is the girl's right to bodily integrity. Some ulema argue that the husband has to wait until she is baligh (ie. attained sexual maturity) in order to have intercourse. Imam Khomeini (ra) argues that intercourse is not the only form of sexual activity and that as long as the girl's bodily integrity is not at risk such acts are ok. I personally would have included mental integrity as part of the discussion and would have come to a different conclusion.

So your Glorious Leader gives the green light for sexual abuse of a prebuscent girl as long as her rapist does not deflower her. I'm glad you do not agree with his views.

Now regarding such fatwas which are just opinions not laws, you need to remember that there is a difference between jurisprudence and ethics. Something may be legal licit but ethically bad. For example: divorce is legally allowed but highly disincouraged from an ethical point of view. This ruling by Imam Khomeini (ra) is his way of solving a problem of jurisprudence. It doesn't mean that this is what he himself believed to be right.

So your Glorious Leader will not hesitate in giving the thumbs up for unethical behaviour to get round those pesky sharia laws? Do you not see how repugnant and ridiculous is your defence of this fool?

The late Imam (ra) put great emphasis on the dignity of women and their rights in terms of studying and the work place. His respect for women was tremendous. The biography you mention is a Saudi work created to defame him. I personally know people who have been close to him and what you're saying about him are lies!

His grand daughter is probably more qualified that you to talk about him:

Your link offers no proof for your claim that the biography is not true. I am not interested in reading the account of a girl who has been nrought up on the legends of her grandfather.

As for sighe being prostitution: in your eyes a woman who enters a sighe with her fiancée before they get married is a whore? I guess you're among the people who are against seeing their spouse before marriage then. Your choice.

I have a problem with some Muslim male engaging in temporary marriage with some woman with whom he wants to sleep to give religious sanction to his lust. Especially given the fact that these are the same people who are so fond of accusing Western women of being sexually promiscuous.

May Shaitan-Aiwass show you the truth,

K.

Thus spoke Ishraqi:

Here is the article of the penal code regarding rape:

Article 82. The penalty for adultery in the following cases shall be death, regardless of the age or marital status of the culprit: (1) Adultery with one's consanguineous relatives (close blood relatives forbidden to each other by religious law); (2) Adultery with one's stepmother in which the adulterer's punishment shall be death; (3) Adultery between a non-Muslim man and a Muslim woman, in which case the adulterer (non-Muslim man) shall receive the death penalty; (4) Forcible rape, in which case the rapist shall receive the death penalty.

And where, pray tell, is the punishment for the penalty for adultery between a Muslim man and a Muslim woman, or a Muslim man and a non-muslim woman?

As for the age of marriage in Iran the minimal age has been set to 9 (it was 13 before).

Gary Glitter would be pleased.

Such marriages are extremely rare and even so most marriage contracts of that kind would entail a section stating that sexual intercourse is only permissible after puberty.

Khomeini may forbid intercourse, but he encourages other forms of sexual abuse. Read the excerp in its entirety.

"II. A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."

The reason why Imam Khomeini (ra) favoured early marriage is so as to avoid temptations when the couple reach puberty. It doesn't mean that they're going to have sex at the age of nine.Rather then young couple is to grow up in mutual love.

Khomeini sanctioned paedophilia. FACT. Whatever reasons he gives for justifying his revolting acts are irrelevant.

As for your slanderous accusations against our beloved leader (ra), quoting Wahabi Saudi sources means as much to me as you quoting your sister on the matter.

Slander would imply that the accusations are false. You can keep whining about Wahabi Saudi's corrupting your Glorious Leader's message, but in this case the text regarding his RAPE of a prebuscent child is from his own biography.

I find it amazing that you should get on your moral high horse when at the same time you sing the praises of Crowley.

I have sung no one's praises. You on the other hand are defending a paedophile and a man who sanctions the legal equivalent of prostitution in the name of religion.

Regards,

K.

the following is a quote from Hermann Rauschining an aide to Hitler from the book Hitler speaks

One cannot help thinking of him as a medium. For the most time, mediums are ordinary insignificant people. Suddenly they are endowed with what seems to be supernatural powers which set them apart from humanity. The medium is possessed. Once the crisis is passed, they fall back again into mediocrity. It was in this way, beyond any doubt, that Hitler was possessed by forces outside of himself - almost demoniacal forces of which the individual man Hitler was only the temporary vehicle. The mixture of banal and supernatural created that insupportable duality of which one was conscious in his presence....It was like looking at a bizarre face whose expression seemed to reflect an unbalanced state of mind coupled with the disquieting impression of hidden powers.

I think it obvious the man Hitler was but a vehicle for other forces. The same with Crowley who wrote the book of law totally automatically and the strange thing is this book of law shares much the same sentiments of Nazism i.e. the coming of the superman and other things.

Fateh!

The quotation is one man's opinion, nothing more. It's a very old human tendency to blame supernatural forces for the acts of pure evil that some people commit, but the only thing Hitler was possessed by was the myth of Aryan superiority - he needed no demon on his left shoulder whispering evil schemes into his ear.

In my opinion, the Book of the Law describes perfectly the intensification of the darkness of Kaljug that followed the Great Wars. His descriptions of the Thelemic deities Nuit, Hadit, Babalon, etc are amazingly similar to descriptions in the Hindu Tantras of Kali, Bhairava and other ugra (fierce) forms of Devatas. (The belief in Tantra is that it is easier to achieve liberation in Kalyug by worshipping these frightening forms of Devis/Devatas, and that pure Nirgun worship is not as easy as it was in earlier, more serene yugas. Meditation on Wrathful Gods in some forms of Buddhism is undertaken for similar reasons.)

Anyway, we are going off topic...

Regards,

K.

Whoops found something! Ignore last post!

What, you mean you can't read Farsi? ;-P

I've amended the link so you can access the English library as well as a few other treats.

K.

Fateh!

Apparently this is the largest Iranian online library:

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/library/index.htm

There are some nice books on the site, some of which the site claims are currently banned by the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Edit: the link above should allow you to access the library of texts in English as well as those in Persian. There are also a few other goodies on the site. Most of the interesting books are in Persian, but it's worth looking for translations of them in English on the web. You may find a few of them on rapidshare and torrent sites.

Enjoy,

K.

Kaljug,

So how do you explain that in Iran men guilty of rape get executed? You think posting some Wahabi videos and Scandinavian racist sites is an argument. Agreed, there is a lot of Wahabi scum in Europe that should be at best deported if not even executed. But all you've done is show "Muslims" who are ALL paid by Saudi Arabia and use their corrupted Sunni sources to back their crimes.

Fact remains: rape is a crime and is punished by death according to Islam, the real Islam of Ahlul Bayt (as) that is. Only two years ago three men were executed for rape in Iran: http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Iran-hang...2300859265.html

So how the hell do you want to convince me that Islam allows rape? Had you written that Wahabis and Sunnis allow rape you would have been right. So in the future try to be more accurate.

Fateh!

Great smear tactic. Just accuse the sources that I showed you that provide evidence contrary to your beliefs as racist or evil Wahabism.

Iran's Penal Code Sanctions rape:

http://seektruthandjustice.blogspot.com/20...tions-rape.html

And by the by, in Iran girls over the age of 9 and boys over the age of 16 can face the death penalty in Iran for charges like rape and murder. How, pray tell, does one determine whether a 9 year old girl consented to sex?

Ayatollah Khomeini's fling with a 4 year old child:

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2007/01/ayatoll...-with-four.html

Selections from the Ayatollah's writings on temporary marriages (Siqeh) and child marriages:

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/islam/khomeini-sex/index.htm

Not only does your spiritual leader advocate temporary marriages (from 30 minutes to 99 years according to some sources) but he believes that sodomising children is acceptable accodring to Islamic law. What need for rape if prostitution and paedophilia is all fine and dandy in Iran?

Regards,

K.

Kaljug Ji,

It depends on how you define demonic forces – if in the ‘Gurmat’ sense – we are talking about a ‘demon’ being a person who is a slave to the 5 thieves – the 5 thieves (in control) being the demonic forces (or Shaitaan). Adolf in this case, was most certainly possessed by demonic forces – as is anyone who becomes a puppet to the 5.

Fateh, Veer ji!

If we use that definition rather than the common definition of demonic possession, it would imply that we are all possessed by demons to some degree. In that sense, Adolf is still no different to any other person. The point remains that there was nothing supernatural about Hitler's genocide of "undesirables" like Jews, gypsies, and coloured people.

K.

Fateh!

Ishraqi:

I always thought Niddarists (Niddarites? Niddarims? Niddarians?) were obsessed with Sanatanism not Satanism. I'm told there is some difference. ;-)

Mekhane'ch Jannat:

There's no need to be so superstitious. Adolf didn't need "satanic and demonic forces" compelling him to kill Jews, his anti-Semitism and the moral laxity of his soldiers was all that was needed for the Holocaust to happen.

Crowley had a pretty privileged despite being brought up among the conservative Christian Plymouth Brethren. Anyway, it's impossible to defend a personality as contradictory and complex as Crowley's. If you find his work so disturbing (and I'm assuming you have read his work not just the tabloid stories about him), it is probably not for you.

Matheen:

That's why I put it in the Spirit Zone not the Sikhi discussion forum. I hope you can see how the liber relates to bhakti yoga.

Regards,

K.

The sain singer is absolutely amazing.. if i find any singers like him i'll post the links in this thread

Fateh!

Look up Taimur Afghani. He has a rendition of Waris Shah on youtube also.

K.

Fateh!

Sardara Singh is also an expert in the Doces Pares system of Escrima. I remember learning gatka in the same class as him years ago when he was just coming into Sikhi. The Singh Sahib has come a long way since then. Nice to see that he is still out there.

K.

Do you know the man who wrote this was a renowned Satanist and was rumoured to sacrifice children to boost his energy levels. He was a member of the order of the Golden Dawn which practiced the black arts. He was controlled by dark forces.

Fateh!

I know the legends that surround the man - legends he was very fond of perpetuating, I might add. The Golden Dawn practiced a mixture of Masonic ceremonial, and practical thaumaturgy and mysticism inspired by Rosicrucian legend and esoteric Christianity. There was, and is (they still exist), nothing dark about what they do.

Anyway, one can read the liber above without knowing who the author was as it describes the skeletal structure of Bhakti Yoga in it's most fundamental form - it can apply to God by whatever name God is known, and applies to worship of Devatas as well as Nirguna Brahman. The underlying message of the liber is that the methodology in all these forms of worship is the same.

Regards,

K.

Fateh!

I suppose the fact that the vast majority of these rapists use Islam as the justification for their repugnant immoral acts should just be ignored because it might offend the Muslim population, right?

What bothers me most is that as soon as these rapists open their mouths and betray their Islamic motivations and excuses for raping these innocent girls, the PC liberal brigade and these so-called moderate Muslims start complaining about the media exhibiting racism and anti-Islamic prejudice by revealing the nationality and religion, and the true beliefs and motives of these rapists. It seems that some people would like nothing better than to ignore the problem and hope that no one dares to question the beliefs of the ever increasing Islamic population in our midst.

The connection between rape and Islam:

http://www.islam-watch.org/Fjordman/Islam&Rape.htm

The long historical connection between rape and Islam from the example of Muhammad:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/femalecaptives.htm

Sheikh Hilaly on rape:

http://www.geocities.com/realitywithbite/hilaly.htm

The Hijab and Rape:

http://www.dhushara.com/book/sakina/stoningetc/hijabrape.htm

Muslim rape in Sweden and Norway:

http://news.ronatvan.com/2008/04/04/muslim...den-and-norway/

Western Muslims' rape spree:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=6161

Family of teen Muslim invited men to rape her:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3295487.ece

Muslims threaten to capture Danish women as 'war booty' and to rape them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEYr9gwmJpE

Saudi King "pardons" woman rape victim (after she receives 200 lashes and 6 months imprisonment):

Saudi Sheikh: rape within marriage is impossible:

If your wife refuses, Allah says beat them (according to a Qatar Sheikh):

Regards,

K.

Fateh!

A pretty succinct description of the essential mehodology of Bhakti Yoga by Aleister Crowley:

http://www.rahoorkhuit.net/library/libers/pdf/lib_0175.pdf

Enjoy,

K.

Fateh!

There's an article on langarhall.com (by someone called Jodha) that has an interesting perspective on why it is not in the best interest of the political elite and the ruling majority in India (and in Punjab) for the Dalits to join the ranks of Sikhi:

http://thelangarhall.com/archives/3358

I feel that, once the chaos and bad feelings have died down, there should be parchaar done to try to reach out to these Ravidasi Sikhs and bring them into the fold of mainstream Sikhi, with pyaar and understanding not by picking off their leaders one by one.

After all, their practices are not too different to those that you can see in any mainstream gurdwara, and their spirituality will only be enriched by placing as much emphasis on the bani of the Gurus and the other Bhagats in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib as they do on the words of Sri Ravidas Ji.

Of course, their acceptance into the Panth may mean that we may have to broaden the definition of Sikh (or at least tolerate their traditional practices like Ravidas murti puja in their homes for a while), and unfortunately the trend is the last century or so has been to increasingly restrict the usage of the word Sikh to a relatively small population of people. Their presence in the Panth will certainly enrich it, but there will be some already in the Panth who will not be able to tolerate the loss of their privileged position.

K.

Gufateh..

i heard about a book called Nanak parkash.. when was it written, who is it written by and what is it about? is it a janam sakhi collection?

Fateh!

It is available to download here:

http://www.ik13.com/sri_gur_partap_suraj_garanth.htm

Regards,

K.