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Kaljug ji
I'm struggling with Panjabi right now. I guess when I master that, I can move on to Devanagari script at some stage.
I feel a bit dense as I have no idea what adjectives, nouns, pre-nouns, verbs and all that stuff is. I know it's not exactly brain surgery but I never saw the value or purpose of knowing this stuff as a youth. The prospect of having to go through all that again fills me with.... err.....a sort of mild feeling of depression. lol
Is this Devanagri? भरथऊ जोग साधना साजी ॥ जोग अगनि तन ते उपराजी ॥ ब्रहमरंध्र झटदै कर फोरा ॥ प्रभ सौ चलत अंग नही मोरा
How far have you got to grips with Braj Bhasha yourself Singh?
I heard it is very much like the language spoken around UP?
To be honest, I didn't know the parts of speech either until I had to learn Latin to decipher some texts I was interested in. It's not something that is taught these days in schools unless you study a foreign language in an academic setting at college/university level.
Yes, that's Devanagari script.
I only learned enough Braj to illuminate some Dasam Granth passages (I am too lazy and I have too little free time these days do do much more, alas).
I'm not sure how similar the Braj Bhasa of Dasam Granth is to the language spoken today in UP, but they are definitely related.
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No problem veer ji. Can you read Hindu or whatever that script in the book is?
It's Devanagari, same script Hindi is written in. If you know Gurmukhi script, Devanagari script will only take you an hour or so to learn. It's well worth the effort to learn it because it will enable you to read Snell's book and gain a better underatanding of Braj and a lot of the poetic structures used in Gurbani (arril, sorath, etc).
K.
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Tony, I used to think this but don't anymore because this type of stuff is largely confined to Paks. You don't have this issue with Iranians, Gujeratis and many other variety of sullay. That whole approach you are pushing has been tried before and didn't work. It is a gross simplification of the problem that doesn't help towards solving it at all. Sure Mo may have been a bit of a marauding, pillaging and rapine sort of guy but that is only a part of the equation. Push that whole Islamophobic thing and it will backfire on you. Be more subtle and discreet and discerning about the problem. Lets talk real as well.
Iranian ties to Afghan jihadis
Attacks on Christian churches in Indonesia increasing
Indonesian police tear down a church
(I use Indonesia as an example as it is often promoted as being some liberal Islamic paradise. Despite the fact that Indonesia was a predominantly Hindu country before the Islamic invasion.)
Even in Sweden, a country that was foolish enough to allow its Islamic population to grow uncontrolled, is under attack by its Muslim population:
Muslims attack synagogue in Malmo, Sweden
Jews flee Malmo as Islamic anti-Semitism grows
Name any Islamic country and you will find non-Muslims are oppressed and their human rights (they have no rights under sharia) are routinely violated.
So no, it is really that simple. Sullay are all nice and dandy until they have sufficient numbers to push their sharia on you. Cf the dwindling numbers of Sikhs and other minority religions in every Muslim state. Also, understand that non-Muslims do not have equal rights in a Sharia state. They are dhimmis who are considered a subjugated people.
While the majority of violence in Muslim states is directed at Christians (see Copts in Egypt), that is only because they are the largest minority. If ever Sikhs have their numbers, we will face the same kind of violence and hatred - hatred that stems from Quranic teachings.
Also, what you are not getting is that Mo is considered the Perfect Man in Islam. Everything he did is the perfect action of the divinely inspired perfect man whose behaviour and sayings are used as the basis for Quranic law.
Things will only change when people are not afraid to call a spade a spade (and Islam a cult of cruelty inspired by the ramblings of a sex and power crazed psychopath) instead of tiptoeing around the problem.
Also, Islam is Peace and my Muslim friend Achmed The Dead Terrorist is a perfectly reasonable person.
K.
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Brilliant work, Singh!
K.
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To a sullah, an infidel isn't a person.
Such people really do not deserve to belong to this world. May they suffer for an eternity in the hell of being cut to pieces.
K.
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Lol, I don’t think any combat promotes using chi alone as a form of invincible armour.
First few minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q81p5a4893k
Hardcore puratan training!
K.
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Serious? How sure are you?
This [__________] sure. (Look for expressions/figurative meanings in the dictionary I linked to above, it should be in there.)
K.
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???
what do you interpret "nazar andaaz karkay" to be?
An expression meaning to overlook or disregard.
and "netharkay"?To find out the truth.
and the small word ko (ਕੁ), doesn't it mean "roughly" or "approximately"?
Yep.
Here's a good online dictionary you might find useful:
http://www.advancedcentrepunjabi.org/pedic/default.aspx
K.
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I am permanently leaving this board. I wish you the best of luck and hope you can learn do drop whatever resentment you are carrying.
God Bless,
W
Singh, do well on your exams then come back to us. One should never make decisions on an empty stomach or when one has exams.
K.
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1. If some percieved misfortune befalls a person how does one tell whether is a/ black magic done by another b/ Nazar (evil eye) or c/ a saraf (curse)given by someone.
Doesn't really matter because the cure is the same - bani. Of course, if there are obvious signs that someone is cursing you, e.g., food or other odd stuff left on your doorstep, then you should get rid of them (burn them then clean the area with ammonia).
2. How would one go about removing this misfortune?
Something that I was told was to read Chandi di Var over a glass of jal while stirring with a kirpan and drink the contents. Have a little left over to sprinkle round the house. Do this for 40 days with an ardas before and after. Have jot and dhoop lit every day.
K.
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Can't see what you are translating, but bamoojab (Punjabi from Farsi) just means "according to, in accordance with, under or vide".
Aavahan is, as already stated above, a calling or invocation, e.g., Hanuman Chalisa is sometimes called Hanuman Aavahan because it is an invocation of his powers.
K.
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does dream yoga expend spiritual energy?
is it different from astral travel or lucid dreaming?
Some effort is required to begin with (not sure if that's what you meant about expending spiritual energy). See here for more details on the 1st stages of practice:
http://www.plotinus.com/zhine_tibetan_dream_yoga_copy.htm
Some good books are listed at the end of the article. I recommend the one by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche.
The first stage of dream yoga is to achieve lucidity, the next is to control your dreams, then it is to extend your meditative practice into the dream state, and the eventual aim is to maintain an unbroken and undifferentiated awareness through the whole period of sleep. The whole practice encourages one to see the whole world as maya, another type of dream, and it is said to enable one to deal with the after-death bardo state with some degree of awareness since death is just another form of dream.
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No worries guys..need sangat blessing to continue to do this...On a side note...did I sound nervous? hehe....Even though sant ji is very loving soul..sometimes one get nervous and scared...there were some questions on bhog bilas some one send which I was planning to ask but when I got there..I was like there is no flipping hell..I am asking those Questions.
No, you sounded fine, it just seemed like you were translating the questions you'd written down in English into Punjabi on the fly (and you did a pretty good job). Sant ji scares the crap outta me!
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Neo Singh:
I think I'm speaking for everyone here when I say thank you so much for this priceless seva!
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That was the best explanation of yugas I've ever heard.
The part about Shastar Puja is pretty cool also. It's especially cool since Sant ji is Nirmala-focused not a Nihang. For anyone who didn't listen to that part yet, Sant ji says that real shastar puja is cleaning and maintaining your shastar and learning how to use it. If you don't know how to use it, waving all the incense sticks in the world around your khanda will not help you one bit when you are forced to use it. It's a great reality check for those who confuse Shastar Puja with some empty ritual that will magically teach you to fight like you've got 8 arms and a tiger.
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Back to the sleep thingy. if you want to go the druggy route look up the medicine called modofinil. Its prescription only, but you can ask your chacha in your pind to 'get' you some from india.
It's modafinil (Provigil in the States). I know a lot of people who use it while studying for tests because of its memory enhancing and stimulant effects (and also because it lacks the harshness of a ritalin or ephedrine/caffeine crash). Given that it has amphetamine-like affects on dopamine and norepinephrine, it's not something that I'd take longterm.
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You never attempt to reduce your sleep. All that will do is leave you tired and destroy your concentration.
Instead you develop your bhakti and focus on that. When your concentration naturally develops, mental chatter diminishes and all that energy that was wasted on the scattered thinking of the monkey mind becomes available to you. Furthermore, the deep sense of peace and relaxation that comes from this one pointed focus is something is that can be carried into your every day life so that you are resting while you work. A decreased need for sleep is a side effect of this.
(Like Xylitol said above, it becomes possible to maintain consciousness while in the state of sleep also. The Tibetans have worked out a whole methodology and process to develop this ability to retain undifferentiated consciousness while the body sleeps (called Dream Yoga).)
As to minimising eating, you are going to need more food the more energy you expend, and, like MJ said above, you're going to need a whole lot less if all you are doing is sitting and meditating all day. all you can really do is practice restraint in what you eat and try to maintain a Sattoguni diet if your aim is spiritual (as Harkhowale Sant ji says in the audio Neo posted).
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I am supposed to be cramming for boards right now...
Good luck! Drink lots of almond milk (desi remedy for studying)!
You are right, it's better to concentrate on improving one's jeevan rather than being concerned about things that may never be relevant to 99% of the population.
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I understand your point. Its an argument that I cannot win. Black magic MAY exist. My belief on something does not determine the reality of the situation. I do think that belief in black magic has had a very detrimental impact on the societies in which it is common. When you consider magic to be the cause, you don't look for the source of the problem. I have also noticed that magic tends to occur in poorer, uneducated portions of the world.. ie: Haiti, cuba. Could it not be because those people ascribe supernatural origins to things that just have to do with proper medical care?
I see the point you are making. If black magic does exist I certainly hope I do not fall victim to it, but many more people IMO suffer from believing in magic compared to those who are actually afflicted by it.
You guys seem very secure in your views and I respect that, so lets put it to rest. You know how I feel, I know how you feel. Good discussion. :-)
Magic happens everywhere, it's just less likely to be reported in societies where to proclaim a belief in supernatural entities (other than Jesus) would likely result in ridicule or being rehomed in a mental asylum if you are persistent.
Anyway, black magic is not the kind of thing one can be convinced to believe in through discussion and debate, and it is probably better that way.
Time for bed!
K.
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Black magic is 100% fake. Not one time in the history of the world has there been any sort of black, white, yellow, green magic.
Actually (and I think it was Joseph Campbell who pointed this out), it's only in our modern history (and it's something that is peculiar to our Western culture) that magic does not exist. It has existed throughout mankind's history.
Disbelief in such things is good until you become a victim of some malicious fool with a few petty siddhis, then it would be superstitious to think that a belief in an entirely material universe devoid of intelligence other than our own will be enough to protect you. Until then, disbelief is a great tool (as is avoiding the company of people who are known to practice black magic).
Go to Baba Wadbhag Singh's dera in India if you want to see people afflicted with these kinds of problems. Or stay in Haiti or Eastern Cuba for a while. (Incidentally, there is a great book called Divine Horsemen by Maya Deren that you might enjoy. It's about a writer who went to Haiti to make a film and ended up being "ridden" by a Loa, a deity of the Voudoun pantheon. It is available in English.)
Regards,
K.
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They do it because they believe they can practise evil without any consequence, because the workings of karma are not as obvious to them as PC Plod's truncheon, even though divine justice is inescapable and does not end simply because you are dead. They do it because they lack faith in Akal Purakh, and in the end, that is what destroys them.
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It relates to BOTH Hindu and Sikh.
How much effort does it require to separate Hindu and Sikh with the word "and" or to use an ampersand when writing, if he truly believes that these two Panths are separate?
It seems pretty clear that he serves his own agenda by choosing not to separate the words.
Anyway, nice vids, though I worry that demonstrating such things to the public may eventually result in the kara being banned as a weapon by the powers that be.
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Someone want to post the article for those few of us who don't facebook?
K.
Rupert Snell's Book On Braj Bhasha
in Literature | Library
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The phonology is exactly the same. Even the order of the Gurmukhi characters is the same as in Devanagari. The only real difference is that there are some conjunct characters in Devanagari that you don't find in Gurmukhi. See the table of Devanagari consonants here
Replace them with Gurmukhi consonants starting at kakka khakha and you have a direct map from one to the other script.
The grammar is very similar.
K.