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balbir ji had some question on relevance of yogic practice and sikhism view on that.
ਮੁੰਦ੍ਰਾ ਮੋਨਿ ਦਇਆ ਕਰਿ ਝੋਲੀ ਪਤ੍ਰ ਕਾ ਕਰਹੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ ਰੇ ॥
ਖਿੰਥਾ ਇਹੁ ਤਨੁ ਸੀਅਉ ਅਪਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਉ ਆਧਾਰੁ ਰੇ ॥੧॥
Make silence your ear-rings, and compassion your wallet; let meditation be your begging bowl.
Sew this body as your patched coat, and take the Lord's Name as your support. ||1||
ਐਸਾ ਜੋਗੁ ਕਮਾਵਹੁ ਜੋਗੀ ॥
ਜਪ ਤਪ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਭੋਗੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Practice such Yoga, O Yogi.
As Gurmukh, enjoy meditation, austerities and self-discipline. ||1||Pause||
ਬੁਧਿ ਬਿਭੂਤਿ ਚਢਾਵਉ ਅਪੁਨੀ ਸਿੰਗੀ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਮਿਲਾਈ ॥
ਕਰਿ ਬੈਰਾਗੁ ਫਿਰਉ ਤਨਿ ਨਗਰੀ ਮਨ ਕੀ ਕਿੰਗੁਰੀ ਬਜਾਈ ॥੨॥
Apply the ashes of wisdom to your body; let your horn be your focused consciousness.
Become detached, and wander through the city of your body; play the harp of your mind. ||2||
ਪੰਚ ਤਤੁ ਲੈ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਰਾਖਹੁ ਰਹੈ ਨਿਰਾਲਮ ਤਾੜੀ ॥
ਕਹਤੁ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਰੇ ਸੰਤਹੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਦਇਆ ਕਰਿ ਬਾੜੀ
Enshrine the five tatvas - the five elements, within your heart; let your deep meditative trance be undisturbed.
Says Kabeer, listen, O Saints: make righteousness and compassion your garden. ||3||7||
page 970 SGGS ji
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nobody can brainwash me or any sikh who follows the principles of guru granth sahib ji not so called dasam granth.
No one has invited you here.You have come on your own.You can drink kala afghna fudge and remain content.
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Harjas tries to justify that yogic excercises are a means to achieve God in Sikhism.That is outrightly a lie.
Our Gurus have reejcted these yogic practices.Read below
ਤ੍ਰੈ ਸਤ ਅੰਗੁਲ ਵਾਈ ਅਉਧੂ ਸੁੰਨ ਸਚੁ ਆਹਾਰੋ ॥
tarai sat angul vaa-ee a-oDhoo sunn sach aahaaro.
O reclusive hermit, the True, Absolute Lord is the support of the exhaled breath, which extends out ten finger lengths.
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਬੋਲੈ ਤਤੁ ਬਿਰੋਲੈ ਚੀਨੈ ਅਲਖ ਅਪਾਰੋ ॥
gurmukh bolai tat birolai cheenai alakh apaaro.
The Gurmukh speaks and churns the essence of reality, and realizes the unseen, infinite Lord.
ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਮੇਟੈ ਸਬਦੁ ਵਸਾਏ ਤਾ ਮਨਿ ਚੂਕੈ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੋ ॥
tarai gun maytai sabad vasaa-ay taa man chookai ahankaaro.
Eradicating the three qualities, he enshrines the Shabad within, and then, his mind is rid of egotism.
ਅੰਤਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਏਕੋ ਜਾਣੈ ਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਲਗੈ ਪਿਆਰੋ ॥
antar baahar ayko jaanai taa har naam lagai pi-aaro.
Inside and out, he knows the One Lord alone; he is in love with the Name of the Lord.
ਸੁਖਮਨਾ ਇੜਾ ਪਿੰਗੁਲਾ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਾ ਆਪੇ ਅਲਖੁ ਲਖਾਏ ॥
sukhmanaa irhaa pingulaa boojhai jaa aapay alakh lakhaa-ay.
He understands the Sushmana, Ida and Pingala, when the unseen Lord reveals Himself.
ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਹੁ ਤੇ ਊਪਰਿ ਸਾਚਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਬਦਿ ਸਮਾਏ ॥੬੦॥:
naanak tihu tay oopar saachaa satgur sabad samaa-ay. ||60||
O Nanak, the True Lord is above these three energy channels. Through the Word, the Shabad of the True Guru, one merges with Him. ||60||
ru, one merges with Him ||60||
(sggs 944).
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khalsa word is there in guru granth sahib ji.
We are talking about khalsa that was created on baiskhi of 1699.We are talking about khalsa who drank amrit from one bowl.Do you know about that khalsa or kala afghna has brainwashed you in forgetting that khalsa so that there is no rehat left and it is easy to drink, dance and be merry.
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I wasn't talking to you fudge, but in any case, I would say you are lying.
Which Panj Pyaare have performed such an amrit sanchaar, please enlighten us, this is unheard of.
Was it Gaggu and Darshani, we only apparently need 2 baniyan now, so why not do away with 3 of the Panj Pyare too, makes sense according to your logic.
You people are always banging on about panthic rehit blah blah, esp when it comes to Parkaash of Dasam Bani, funny how you pick and choose which rules to follow.
To change the maryada which is agreed by the whole Panth i.e. Panj Baniyan, is to spit in the face of the Khalsa.
You people are now nothing more than 'sick in the head' cult.
shaheediyan
Such shameless people take kala afghna amrit that makes gidder out of a human being.When five or six singhs challenge them they run in and lock doors from inside.This is the shakti of kala afghna amrit.
Such people are not sikhs anymore.They are out of panth and need not to be entertained at all.
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Vah!!
So your Amrit Sanchar was missing 3 out of 5 banis??Then you're not Khalsa Fauj at all, but just Kala Fudge.
Xylitol ji
He is a snake who will keep on reappearing inspite of humilitation he suffered from singhs whom he challenged first.
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harjas touts santana dharma as being similar to sikhism.
That is far from correct. santana dharma endorses varna ashram or caste sytem. per that Hindu caste is divided in four castes. Lowest caste shudras are considered as not even human beings.
Sikhism believes in equality of human beings.Drinking from the same bowl during Amrit sanchar broke that barrier forever.
santana dharma endorses yogic practices to achieve God.sikhism rejects that.
Status of demigods is already explained by extensive quotes from dasam Granth sahib.below are quotes from SGGS ji.
ਦੇਵੀ ਦੇਵਾ ਮੂਲੁ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥
Maya is the origin of demigods
SGGS 129
ਸਵ ਬਿਰੰਚਿ ਅਸੁਰ ਸੁਰ ਜੇਤੇ ਕਾਲ ਅਗਨਿ ਮਹਿ ਜਰਤੇ ॥
Shiva, Brahma, angels and demons, all burn in the fire of death
SGGS ji 1267
ਸਵ ਬਿਰੰਚਿ ਅਰੁ ਸਗਲ ਮੋਨਿ ਜਨ ਗਹਿ ਨ ਸਕਾਹਿ ਗਤਾ ॥
Shiva, Brahma and all the silent sages cannot understand the state of the Supreme Being
SGGS 498
ਇਸ ਦੇਹੀ ਕਉ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਦੇਵ ॥ ਸੋ ਦੇਹੀ ਭਜੁ ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਸੇਵ ॥੧॥:
Even the demigods long for this human body.
Once you have this body, think of serving the Lord ||1||
SGGS 1159
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References to deities in SGGS should not be twisted. Guru sahib wrote in detail about these deities in Dasam Granth sahib.
The following is from Bachitra natak composition of Dasam granth. This is called Akal purakh's instructions to Guru sahib.
ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਬਾਚ ਇਸ ਕੀਟ ਪ੍ਰਤਿ ॥
अकाल पुरख बाच इस कीट प्रति ॥
The Words of the Non-temporal Lord to this insect:
ਜਿਨਿ ਜਿਨਿ ਤਨਿਕ ਸਿਧ ਕੋ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਤਿਨਿ ਤਿਨਿ ਅਪਨਾ ਰਾਹੁ ਚਲਾਯੋ ॥
जिनि जिनि तनिक सिध को पायो ॥ तिनि तिनि अपना राहु चलायो ॥
Whosoever attained a little spiritual power, he started his own ptah.
ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਨ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ ॥ ਮਮ ਉਚਾਰਿ ਤੇ ਭਯੋ ਦਿਵਾਨਾ ॥੧੬॥
परमेसर न किनहूं पहिचाना ॥ मम उचारि ते भयो दिवाना ॥१६॥
None could comprehend the Lord, but instead became mad with `I-ness`.16.
ਪਰਮ ਤੱਤ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥ ਆਪ ਆਪ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਉਰਝਾਨਾ ॥
परम त्त किनहूं न पछाना ॥ आप आप भीतरि उरझाना ॥
Nobody recognized the Supreme Essence, but was entangled within himself.
ਤਬ ਜੇ ਜੇ ਰਿਖਿ ਰਾਜ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਆਪਨ ਪੁਨ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਚਲਾਏ ॥੧੭॥
तब जे जे रिखि राज बनाए ॥ तिन आपन पुन सिम्रित चलाए ॥१७॥
All the great rishis (sages), who were then created, produced their own Smritis.17.
ਜੇ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਨ ਕੇ ਭਏ ਅਨੁਰਾਗੀ ॥ ਤਿਨਿ ਤਿਨਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਆ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕੀ ਤਿਆਗੀ ॥
जे सिम्रितन के भए अनुरागी ॥ तिनि तिनि क्रिआ ब्रहम की तिआगी ॥
All those who became followers of these smritis, they abandoned the path of the Lord.
ਜਿਨ ਮਨ ਹਰਿ ਚਰਨਨ ਠਹਿਰਾਯੋ ॥ ਸੋ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਨ ਕੇ ਰਾਹ ਨ ਆਯੋ ॥੧੮॥
जिन मन हरि चरनन ठहिरायो ॥ सो सिम्रितन के राह न आयो ॥१८॥
Those who devoted themselves to the Feet of the Lord, they did not adopt the path of the Smritis.18.
ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਚਾਰ ਹੀ ਬੇਦ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਕ ਤਿਹ ਕਰਮ ਚਲਾਏ ॥
ब्रहमा चार ही बेद बनाए ॥ सरब लोक तिह करम चलाए ॥
Brahma composed all the four Vedas, all the people followed the injunctions contained in them.
ਜਿਨ ਕੀ ਲਿਵ ਹਰਿ ਚਰਨਨ ਲਾਗੀ ॥ ਤੇ ਬੇਦਨ ਤੇ ਭਏ ਤਿਆਗੀ ॥੧੯॥
जिन की लिव हरि चरनन लागी ॥ ते बेदन ते भए तिआगी ॥१९॥
Those who were devoted to the Feet of the Lord, they abandoned the Vedas.19.
ਜਿਨ ਮਤਿ ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬਨ ਤਿਆਗੀ ॥ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕੇ ਭਏ ਅਨੁਰਾਗੀ ॥
जिन मति बेद कतेबन तिआगी ॥ पारब्रहम के भए अनुरागी ॥
Those who abandoned the path of the Vedas and Katebs, they became the devotees of the Lord.
ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਗੂੜ ਮਤਿ ਜੇ ਚਲਹੀ ॥ ਭਾਤਿ ਅਨੇਕ ਦੁਖਨ ਸੋ ਦਲਹੀ ॥੨੦॥
तिन के गूड़ मति जे चलही ॥ भाति अनेक दुखन सो दलही ॥२०॥
Whosoever follows their path, he faces various types of sufferings.20.
ਜੇ ਜੇ ਸਹਿਤ ਜਾਤਨ ਸੰਦੇਹਿ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੋ ਸੰਗਿ ਨ ਛੋਡਤ ਨੇਹ ॥
जे जे सहित जातन संदेहि ॥ प्रभ को संगि न छोडत नेह ॥
Those who consider the castes illusory, they do not abandon the love of the Lord.
ਤੇ ਤੇ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰੀ ਕਹ ਜਾਹੀ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਅੰਤਰੁ ਕਛੁ ਨਾਹੀਂ ॥੨੧॥
ते ते परम पुरी कह जाही ॥ तिन हरि सिउ अंतरु कछु नाहीं ॥२१॥
When they leave the world, they go to the abode of the Lord, and there is no difference between them and the Lord.21.
ਜੇ ਜੇ ਜੀਯ ਜਾਤਨ ਤੇ ਡਰੈ ॥ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਤਜਿ ਤਿਨ ਮਗਿ ਪਰੈ ॥
जे जे जीय जातन ते डरै ॥ परम पुरख तजि तिन मगि परै ॥
Those who fear the castes and follow their path, abandoning the Supreme Lord.
ਤੇ ਤੇ ਨਰਕ ਕੁੰਡ ਮੋ ਪਰਹੀ ॥ ਬਾਰ ਬਾਰ ਜਗ ਮੋ ਬਪੁ ਧਰਹੀ ॥੨੨॥
ते ते नरक कुंड मो परही ॥ बार बार जग मो बपु धरही ॥२२॥
They fall into hell and transmigrate again and again.22.
Dasam Granth sahib
Harjas wrote
ਪਾਪ ਸੰਬੂਹ ਬਿਨਾਸਨ ਕਉ ਕਲਿਕੀ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਹਾਵਹਗੇ ॥ ਤੁਰਕੱਛਿ ਤੁਰੰਗ ਸਪੱਛ ਬਡੋ ਕਰਿ ਕਾਢ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ਖਪਾਵਹਗੇ ॥Paap sanbooh binaasan kau Kalikiavtaar kahaavahge|| Turkachchh(i) turang sapachchh bado kar(i) kaadh||
For the destruction of the sins, he will be called the Kalki incarnation and mounting on a horse and taking the sword, he will destroy all;
~Shri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji (SGPC translation) pg. 1150
Do not stop there.guru sahib writes that kalki avtar got proudy and made himself God and asks people to worship him. God sent Mir mehdi to kill Kalki avtar and he defeated and killed him.
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Harjas is going on repeating some verses of one shabad on page 1082 time and again.This was explained to her a few months ago that her interpretation
is out of context and hence not correct.She has started doing the same thing again.Obviously her purpose is propaganda.
Guru sahib says that though various names are used for akal purakh who has no form but his real name is satnam. Read the essence given in the end.
navtan naam japai din raatee ik gun naahee parabh kahi sangaa. ||16||
One may chant new names for You day and night, but even so, O God, no one can describe even one of Your Glorious Virtues. ||16||
ਕਿਰਤਮ ਨਾਮ ਕਥੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਜਿਹਬਾ ॥
ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਪਰਾ ਪੂਰਬਲਾ ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ॥
With my tongue I chant the Names given to You.
'Sat Naam' is Your perfect, primal Name.
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Sat sri akal
because it is written by poet shyam.
sat sri akal
Leave aside reading and analysing Dasam granth sahib people who criticize it have not even seen it.Had they seen it they would not have written bukwas as above.
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Sat sri akal
as i told you everything is on internet (books)just make efforts
And i read as far three books and different rehat maryada's written at that time which are contradictory to each other.
And you will find so many things that might make you think why.
I make up my mind in the light of guru granth sahib ji.
veerji i am not enemy but please search material written at that time and analyze it with guru granth sahib ji.
Sat sri akal
That is not the answer of my question. Since you are refuting Rehat maryada which is a product of sikh literaure of that time, you need show us proof. In absence of any proof it is a propaganda laden with mischief.
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Sat sri Akal
Ok good for you
Tell me what you understand by this charitra:
sex between sister and brother.and many more.
and the 90% dasam granth shows women so cheap whats that!
Sat sri akal
Let us not follow missionary mentality of picking two lines and hiding the next lines.Quote specifics rather than making a general statement. Quote the charitra that says so.
Al men and women are not angels.Had it been so this would have been a heavenly world to live.
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sat sri akal
veerji
if you have time to respond this then you have time to search.
Make efforts sikh everything is on internet and analyze it veerji please.
sat sri akal
I am posing the question to you as i have read this literature.There are extensive refrences to Dasam granth writings including recitation of its banis during amrit sanchar of 1699.
You do not make up your mind just by reading opinion of otehrs on the internet.
Have you read any book of that period? If so ket us know which one.
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There are various sects in Hinduism and Harjas kaur ji refers to them often.For example Vasihnavism considers Vishnu and his avatars as absolute God.Shavite considers shiva as supreme God.
In the same was worshippers of Durga consider her as absolute supreme Goddess.
Sikhism reject above teachings.Sikhism describe these deities as creation of akal purakh.Hence these deities are subservient to akal purakh.
Guru sahib writes
ਭਜੋਂ ਸੁ ਏਕ ਨਾਮਯੰ ॥ ਜੁ ਕਾਮ ਸਰਬ ਠਾਮਯੰ ॥
I recite only the Name of the Lord, which is useful at all places. (Bachittar Natak)
ਨ ਧਿਆਨ ਆਨ ਕੋ ਧਰੋਂ ॥ ਨ ਨਾਮ ਆਨ ਉਚਰੋਂ ॥38॥
I do not meditate on anyone else, nor do I repeat the Name of anyone else. ||38|| (Bachittar Natak)
ਚਰਨ ਸਰਨ ਜਿਹ ਬਸਤ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥
The goddess Durga takes refuge at the feet of Eternal and abides there.
Dasam Granth sahib
* ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਉਬਾਰ ਨ ਸਕਹੈ ਜਾਕਰ ਨਾਮ ਰਟੈ ਹੈ॥ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਰੁਦ੍ਰ ਸੂਰਹ ਸਸਿ ਤੇ ਬਸਿ ਕਾਲ ਸਭੈ ਹੈ ॥੧ (ਸ. ਹਜਾਰੇ)
* Ram and Rahim whose names you are uttering cant save you. Brahma, Vishnu Shiva, Sun and Moon, all are subject to the power of Death.1.
Dasam granth sahib
* ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਔ ਬਿਸਨ ਜਪੇ ਤੁਹਿ ਕੋਟਿਕ ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਭਲੀ ਬਿਧਿ ਧਿਆਯੋ ॥
ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਜਪਿਓ ਅਰੁ ਸੰਭੁ ਥਪਿਓ ਤਿਹ ਤੇ ਤੁਹਿ ਕੋ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਨ ਬਚਾਯੋ ॥
……..ਤੋਹਿ ਬਚਾਇ ਸਕੈ ਕਹੁ ਕੈਸੇ ਕੈ ਆਪਨ ਘਾਵ ਬਚਾਇ ਨ ਐਹੈ ॥
ਕੋਪ ਕਰਾਲ ਕੀ ਪਾਵਕ ਕੁੰਡ ਮੈ ਆਪ ਟੰਗਿਓ ਤਿਮ ਤੋਹਿ ਟੰਗੈਹੈ ॥
* Thou hast meditated on millions of Krishnas, Vishnus, Ramas and Rahims.
Thou hast recited the name of Brahma and established Shivalingam, even then none could save thee…….
They cannot save themselves from the blow of death, how can they protect thee?
They are all hanging in the blazing fire of anger, therefore they will cause thy hanging similarly.
Dasam granth sahib
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If you look back in history there is no record that shows how many and which bani is recited except some people who want to destroy or overtake the religion.
read books that are written by english people which shows that back in history when there are tough times in punjab they got only guru granth sahib ji only when they give full respect to the guru granth sahib ji and there is no dasam granth . And out of punjab they get dasam granth WHY And for further read and analyse these books.
This is a typical kala afghana trash being dished out without using any methodolgy of authenticating a writing.
Have you read sikh literature of that period? If so let us know.
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Inder Singh, no need to get personal with false allegations. Challenge is accepted. Link has been given to you. Spokesman is the most read paper. Don't discard news in it. Challenge of your side has been accepted. Don't make things up. I told you what happened in Toronto. You want to believe someone other than the first witness, your choice. I got nothing to do with you. I don't plan to spend much time online these days. I got more important things to do.
Who has accepted the challenge? Where is the link? I am not able to find any link?
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Guru sahib says about the status of these deities
ਫਿਰੈ ਚੌਦਹੂੰ ਲੋਕਯੰ ਕਾਲ ਚਕ੍ਰੰ ॥ ਸਭੈ ਨਾਥ ਨਾਥੇ ਭ੍ਰਮੰ ਭਉਹ ਬਕ੍ਰੰ ॥
फिरै चौदहूं लोकयं काल चक्रं ॥ सभै नाथ नाथे भ्रमं भउह बक्रं ॥
All the fourteen worlds are under the Command of KAL. He hath stringed all the Naths by turning about the slanting evebrows.
ਕਹਾ ਰਾਮ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨੰ ਕਹਾ ਚੰਦ ਸੂਰੰ ॥ ਸਭੈ ਹਾਥ ਬਾਧੇ ਖਰੇ ਕਾਲ ਹਜੂਰੰ ॥੮੩॥
कहा राम क्रिसनं कहा चंद सूरं ॥ सभै हाथ बाधे खरे काल हजूरं ॥८३॥
May be Rama and Krishna, may be the moon and sun, all are standing with folded hands in the presence of KAL.83.
ਕਾਲ ਹੀ ਪਾਇ ਸੁਰਾਸੁਰ ਗੰਧ੍ਰਬ ਜੱਛ ਭੁਜੰਗ ਦਿਸਾ ਬਿਦਿਸਾ ਹੈ ॥
काल ही पाइ सुरासुर गंध्रब ज्छ भुजंग दिसा बिदिसा है ॥
At the instance of KAL, the gods, demons, Gandharvas, Yakshas, Bhujang, directions and indications have appeared.
ਔਰ ਸੁਕਾਲ ਸਭੈ ਬਸ ਕਾਲ ਕੇ ਏਕ ਹੀ ਕਾਲ ਅਕਾਲ ਸਦਾ ਹੈ ॥੮੪॥
और सुकाल सभै बस काल के एक ही काल अकाल सदा है ॥८४॥
All the other prevalent object are within KAL, only One supreme KAL is ever Timeless and eternal.84.
ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਔ ਬਿਸਨ ਜਪੇ ਤੁਹਿ ਕੋਟਿਕ ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਭਲੀ ਬਿਧਿ ਧਿਆਯੋ ॥
क्रिसन औ बिसन जपे तुहि कोटिक राम रहीम भली बिधि धिआयो ॥
Thou hast meditated on millions of Krishnas, Vishnus, Ramas and Rahims.
ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਜਪਿਓ ਅਰੁ ਸੰਭੁ ਥਪਿਓ ਤਹਿ ਤੇ ਤੁਹਿ ਕੋ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਨ ਬਚਾਯੋ ॥
ब्रहम जपिओ अरु स्मभु थपिओ तहि ते तुहि को किनहूं न बचायो ॥
Thou hast recited the name of Brahma and established Shivalingam, even then none could save thee.
ਕੋਟ ਕਰੀ ਤਪਸਾ ਦਿਨ ਕੋਟਿਕ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਕੌਡੀ ਕੋ ਕਾਮ ਕਢਾਯੋ ॥
कोट करी तपसा दिन कोटिक काहूं न कौडी को काम कढायो ॥
Thou hast observed millions of austerities for millions of days, but thou couldst not be recompensed even for the value of a couldst not be recompensed even for the value of a cowrie.
ਕਾਮਕੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਕਸੀਰੇ ਕੇ ਕਾਮ ਨ ਕਾਲ ਕੋ ਘਾਉ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਨ ਬਚਾਯੋ ॥੯੭॥
कामकु मंत्र कसीरे के काम न काल को घाउ किनहूं न बचायो ॥९७॥
The Mantra recited for fulfillment of worldly desires doth not even bring the least gain and none of such Mantras can`t save from the blow of KAL.97.
ਕਾਹੇ ਕੋ ਕੂਰ ਕਰੈ ਤਪਸਾ ਇਨ ਕੀ ਕੋਊ ਕੌਡੀ ਕੇ ਕਾਮ ਨ ਐਹੈ ॥
काहे को कूर करै तपसा इन की कोऊ कौडी के काम न ऐहै ॥
Why doth thou indulge in false austerities, because they will not bring in gain of even one cowrie.
ਤੋਹਿ ਬਚਾਇ ਸਕੈ ਕਹੁ ਕੈਸੇ ਕੈ ਆਪਨ ਘਾਵ ਬਚਾਇ ਨ ਐਹੈ ॥
तोहि बचाइ सकै कहु कैसे कै आपन घाव बचाइ न ऐहै ॥
The cannot save themselves form the blow (of KAL), how can they protect thee?
Dasam Granth sahib
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I talked to some Singhs in India yesterday about this whole thing. They said most of the sangat is behind Raagi Darshan Singh. I also asked about the debate. They said these guys issue challenge and then back out. Is this another case of giving debate challenge and backing out? This has to be seen. Previously, Iqbal Singh of Patna gave debate challenge and then backed out. We will see if this is another showcase for media or if they will truly hold a debate. It is one thing to give debate challenge and another to live up. Hopefully, they didn't mean attack on Raagi Darshan Singh when they said debate.
Have you taken a license for lying. You lied about what happened at lehar center at toronto.Now we have gathered the truth.
Now you are lying about this debate challenge.They do not accept the challenge.Let us know whom did you talk.Give us their contacts. Let us know who accepted the challenge and when they want to arrange a debate.Please post the detail here.
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singh2 veer, debate challenge was accepted from their side, you got any update if debate is happening in india?
N30 singh ji
It was never accepted. Please do not believe in what they print in Spokesman their mouthpiece. Most of the news are lies.
They have not accepted to debate the issue. I am in touch with gursikhs on regular basis.There are many factors that will never allow them to come for debate.The main factors is their
lack of confidence as they are standing on a mountain of sand, lack of comprehension of message of dasam granth sahib,no knowledge of languages used in dasam Granth sahib etc.
Charhdi kala TV, patiala also tried for debate between them. From gursikhs side Dr Jodh singh, Dr Harpal singh Pannu, Dr harbhajan singh, Dr Jagdish singh Naad and others were ever willing.The invitees from otherside were gurtej singh, Prithipal singh kapoor, Dr Balkar singh etc. they never agreed and they cancelled the programmes many times.
The open challenge still stands. If they are willing, they should come forward.It is known that they will not as their aim is propaganda.
Finally singhs will do an open seminar in heart of Delhi on dasam granth sahib in the next couple of weeks.That will send a clear message to this group.
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I am astonished to read that people can come to such a low level, that they start doubting their own Father, their Guru. You said what is the proof that SGGSji is complete Guru and Guru of sikhs?
You are worst among them. they are not doubting their father.It is you who is disowning your father, The father of khalsa.
Since you do not believe anything outside SGGS ji you need to remove Kaur from your name.
DAsam granth is the only granth that trashes Brahminism in the strongest language.That is why it has to face attacks from their agents at large.
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If heretics of kala afghana school of thought spew venom against sikh scriptures, sikhs will not sit and look aside.They have countered them in the right way.Panthic weekly is just one of the rogans that bared their designs.
kala afghana was excommunicated.Spokesman editor was excommuncicated.Darshan singh is following them.Sikh authority on religious afairs that is akal takhat has spoken loud and clear. If followers of this cult understand they should follow them and form a separate sect. Case settled.
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Dal singh ji
This is going on for the last 10 years or so.Singhs have shown extreme restraint when the bani with which they are baptized and form part of their nitnem is being abused in the worst language day in and out.
We are sikhs of tenth master who sacrifced everything so that we can live as pround human beings. When it comes to defend his bani certinly sikhs will be jusitfied to use established ways of system.
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Panth has decided already and that decision is in practice.Just because a few heretics want it differently is not going to force panth change their maryada.
Those who do not want it differently can form their own sect.They should have followed kala afghana or may follow heretci ragi darshan on Jan 29.
So your Amrit Sanchar was missing 3 out of 5 banis??
Darshan Ragi Followers Propaganda Exposed
in Anti-Sikh Propaganda
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I do not know anyone of the singhs involved.But everybody there by now knows what happened.News like this spread fast.
i gather You knew the singh by face who was alone inside and you were the first to attack him thinking you can bully him with help of your mates.When he returned your invitation you became rats bolting the center from inside.That shows the spirit of kala afghana fudge.