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Guru Gobindsingh ji 's Khalsa in the beginning was mainly laymen..Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj's Marathas were the laymen..Maharana Pratap's supporters were laymen too ..the Bhils had supported Maharana ji ..
 

The so called Kshatris were either out of war or compromising with the invaders ..this is the very basic reason why the Khalsa has a Kshatri sarooop...Guru Maharaj created the Kshatris out of common men..made them Singhs..

I would like to correct something here ..Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj did have soldiers from different castes and muslims too..it wasnt about 'allowing' ..he was supported by the laymen who were farmers , barbers and so on...the other warrior clans did not support him initially but joined in later. ..there are 52 communities which all together came under the 'Maratha' umbrella..and yes ..they were from outside Maharashtra too..there were Marwaris and Bhati Rajputs which i know of since my ancestors were Bhati...a group of Bhati Rajputs had come to join him and amongst those who have now amalgamated in the Maratha society have the surname Bhate...THese 52 communites covered all the castes and various tribes. 

I was born in Maharashtra and have a special bond with the history of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj ..just like dhadi varan there are powade sung in Maharashtra ..warrior ballads ..which i been listening to and they do have a lot of in depth content.

14 hours ago, N30 S!NGH said:

Another example personality worship gone total bananas to the point it has clearly blinded an individual to see and abide in core sidhant of Gurmat - Dhaul Dharam Daya Ka Poot ||. 

May be your sant should to do sodha himself of so called dusth he calls, why he is sitting an back seat and brainwashing his chelas and telling his chelas to do his dirty work. I dont think he has gone to jail even once as sign of protest for his cause- compare to his predecessors.

 

 

Well i dont agree to either sides bhaa ji ...Dhadrianwala is no less ..he too shouldnt have stooped this low ..Sant edda de nai hundhe ji..gandh ta pahle vi baot si par if you listen to the types of Sant Waryam singh ji , Maskeen ji ..have we heard anything personal slandering of this level ?

11 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

Neo, you have to be careful here. Many people will say they believe in Dasam Bani, whilst still rejecting the saroop of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib. The AKJ'ers do it a lot.

Furthermore some people will claim that only those banis used in nitnem of Sikhs are authentic Dasam banis, so they will say that they believe in Dasam banis but in reality only a very small part of the actual scripture.

This is Darsan Ragi's stand too..i think he agrees to Jaap Sahib , Akaal ustat and maybe some other banis but Chandi banis and charitropakhyan is where he has objection

7 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Bro, many of our famous saints, like Baba Nand Singh jee, Baba Attar Singh jee, Baba Mahaharnam Singh jee, etc, were renunciates and achieved the highest level of Brahamgyan.

Those verses, which you are talking about, are referring to impostors/incompetent/Niguray (Guru-less) people.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

that is why i said it is not prohibited ..but there are so many of these sanyasis who do renounce and are lost in the ego that they are now great yogis ..the verses indicate that Parmatma cannot be realized and Brahmgyaan cannot be achieved just by renunciation.

It is not prohibited , however it is believed that renouncing does not lead to Brahmgyaan. THe Bani of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Sri  Dasam Granth Sahib has verses which indicate that many have taken sanyas and renouncedthe world however have not been able to realize Parmatma.

but if you look at the term logically an atheist does not believe in God which means he 'believes' that there is no God.  There is a belief present in the person that there is no God . So in a way atheism in itself is a like religion or a cult which many perhaps follow when he or she is in the teenage or adolescent years. I have passed a mixed phase so i too can relate with it .

On 5/20/2016 at 2:22 AM, DSG said:

Come on bro a bit harsh isnt it. Have you been to one of his diwaans ?

From my understanding is that Dhumma is basically taken charge from Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawala , and is Dhumma living up to this , doing what Sant Ji was doing or is he looking after his own best interests ?

Ranjit Singh Dhadrian wala is doing a great job to wake up the kaum. In his diwaans thousands attend so he must be doing something right. Motivates the sangat gives them a boost. No ones perfect , but we should be looking at his qualities , a bit of controversy we all like including me :):) , and can read for hours and hours about it , but when it comes down to actually listening to the essence of his diwaans ,i.e. follow Gurus hukam, read Gurbani become better humans, do seva etc... we tend to miss that bit and go into the controversy section. Also in his diwaans he openly says that if he talks wrongly or against anybody without any proof / that if he is wrong then ..the sangat can tell him

I can only vouch from my own person experiences that he is a great seva dar for the panth , his diwaans with the blessing of the Sangat actually motivates you gives you a charge up. 

 

what do you mean by its an internal issue this ?

Maalko i know it is harsh, but look at his language . its all about 'assi kita' ..'tuhaada kam ' ...babbeyo eh 'tuhaada kam kittho aa geya???? Aap japau aurah Naam japaahu...eh aagyaa te saareya Sikkha nu ditti gayi hai na ? Dharianwale talks as if Boss you didnt come to work and now i have to do do your work. Has Naam Jaap and parchaar changed him ?

Criticism for such a duration ? Some criticism is done by parcharaks and kathavachaks like Maskeen ji but for how long ? What effect did Naam Jaap have on this man ? How will a man who has a good vocabulary but has not been able to change himself would change the masses ? He is just wanting to highlight himself

Thaape is from Sthaapan which is to establish.

27 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Bro, there were Muslims (more than 20% of India's population - before Partition) too who sacrificed in India's freedom struggle, but most likely Sikhs did more.

Gadar movement had Hindus (Rash Bihari Bose jee, Lala Hardayal, Pandit Kanshi Ram jee, etc) in them. Bengali revolutionaries performed some daring and courageous deeds.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Indeed ! All of these revolutionaries had one aim, to free the Nation of foriegn rule ..

if you look at the current scenario you will find Hindu youth sporting Raaj Karega Khalsa stickers ..if all this was anti sikh then this wouldnt be the case

35 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Bro, Hindus are suffering in India too. There is too much corruption there.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Yes absolutely, you think Hindus dont get killed in agitations ? just like Punjab farmer agitations in Maharashtra have been curbed down with bullets. It is a part of the system versus the common man...its not injustice to one single community .

6 minutes ago, DSG said:

could well be ,  to be honest dont know how accurate it is or the resources they used ( if you feel you have vlaid figures and facts please feel free to email them or correct them , i'm sure they will change it ), but what they are trying to portray is that , in particular SIKHS only made 2% of the Indian population but 80% of the Sikhs from the 2% population gave up their lives. But regardless of the figures the point is that SIKHS being minority in India as well as other minorities , see India as their country so why are they not getting justice even today . 

Bro the way the agitations go ..there is bound to be violence, the last beadbi issue...some planning was done to start the issue and splinter groups too advantaged and hijacked the stage from mainstream..they got violent when the authorities of the SGPC came to meet them. I know innocents get caught in crossfire and i feel bad about it too but for everything like a child if we rub ourselves in the muck we are not making sense.

All this 2% versus the others is all unaccounted bunch of exaggeration, for that matter there are many Muslims too who were not named ..the Gadar movement was a mixture and it was more like Punjab Maharashtra and Bengal revolutionaries .

13 hours ago, DSG said:

Is it not a duty of a sikh to stand up for the little guy , to stand up for injustices. We / each individual should be seeking the truth and trying to get justice for the thousands of innocent victims  and not merely give up and brush it under the carpet simply because of the economy . If India's economy is booming so much , how much is pumped into Punjab ?

what is a definition of a Sikh ?

Its votes are based on corruption , feeding the less fortunate money and booze to get a vote .

Why not . IF the people are not getting justice from the leaders of the state , they should be able to go somewhere else i.e. central government who can then do a fully fledge investigation and punish the corrupt leaders .. why not ?

So you will keep voting for them and expect Central govt to correct your errors ? Look one thing is clear ..the only thing vilayatis can do is crib and crib ..just like a nagging mother in law...

Also, if you look in UK , After Muslims Sikhs have a high number of school dropouts ...who is doing injustice with you there? With all those tantrums you are doing there and the fights in the Gurughars ..you are portraying the image of Sikhs like a bunch of spoilt school kids ..for some time people may be attentive and then the show is over . Keep doing what you are doing ..some things cant change

18 minutes ago, DSG said:

They may be names a Sikh party but they are not SIkh , you may be born into a SIkh family but doesnt necessarily make you a Sikh. Why not then the Central government intervene and stop the shooting done by the party you mentioned ?
 So now you want the Central govt to intervene and have a quality control done for Akali Dal to prove how much percent of Sikhi they have ???? Habibi ! Vilayatis truly need something to make them think right .

 Dont tell me that you want the answer to be painkillers  

Sorry dont understand what you mean , please share your thoughts

This is something you should know better.

Sorry again dont understand what you mean , please share your thoughts.


 

14 hours ago, DSG said:

This is the whole point , why cannot an individual be charged up , rally , object stand up to in justices ... without being shot . Wheres the freedom of speech ?

Who is Shooting ? Why are they shooting ? . Isnt Akali Dal a Sikh political party ?

Let me ask you a question , why do you think people turn to drugs and drink ?

Dont tell me that you want the answer to be painkillers

True again let me ask you a question , why dont they go to Gurudawaras ?

This is something you should know better.

9 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

And he was elected in 1989 , his popularity was much more than Badal at that time , later on he just keep on sitting doing nothing as a result today his party can't even save the deposit. 

What does he do after resigning ? Makes people agitate and organize protests, he is someone who has spoil the image of the Sikhs . Shivsena is his contributiona part of the local hindus feeling threatened and insecure want to have a rabid voice and although small in number a hindu separate group is formed unfortunately.

If you look at other states minorities like Sikhs , Jains or Buddhists they are all part of the mainstream parties be it congress or bjp since they dont feel threatened there. Was it not possible that local Hindus would have been absorbed into Sikh political parties and organizations and feel no need to stand separate .

During the times of Guru Sahib , in the Punjab do you hear of any group formed on the basis of identity ? No. Why ? They felt secure with the Khalsa

2 hours ago, DSG said:

because if the average person in Punjab speaks up , he/she is put down , falsely arrested , beaten up , threatened .... so the voice has to come from the outside 

Even when you choose Akaali Dal for more than 2 terms which is a Sikh religious political party you crib over the same issues. Even during beadbi issues last year the dal khalsa splinter groups hijacked the stage, they hit people from Akali dal who had come to meet the people and even threw away their turbans.

Not that i am any supporter of Badal but the thing is everyone there is just wanting to agitate and get poor youth charged up and shot. The players behind all this drama are resting their bums in far away Canada , U.S.  or U.K.

All  that is wanted is  let those vilayatis slog their asses wherever they are , leave the people alone and let them earn and learn. Too much of money has gone in the brains and people who have nothing to do then turn to drugs .

Even if you were to say that the govt pumps in drugs ..does that get added to the ghyo , kanak and doodh ? People are not fed with drugs , they choose to booze and do drugs .

Where i live we have a bhang shop, a opium shop and a wine shop in 3 km radius ..they are all licensed ..does that make me a druggie or a drunkard ?

If there are drugs around , there are Gurdwaras around too ..why dont the youth go there ? where is the anakh and the charhdikala gone ?

16 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

Nobody knows  who is funding  Sikh media and sikh organisations  outside india.It seems their aim is to spread anti hindu and anti India sentiments. Now lot of them are focusing on refendum 2020  which actually surprise me becasue how on earth you can do referendum sitting outside punjab and deciding whether people of Punjab wants to be part of India or not

Very true bhha ji , people who cannot manage a Gurughar in a proper way want to manage a whole mass of land . Simranjit mann starts talking about Jatt land ...Waheguru forbade but even if they create a Khalistan after buying a island they will fight for Jattistan and the Ravidassistan and Mazbhistan...Ramgarhiastan ...

36 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said:

Most people do it in a very generic way.

That is to say - Most people do simran without any strong intention towards a goal.

So when they do simran to try to cure something, they can't cure it because their will is weak, their intention is not strong enough.

And this is why someone can do simran for 40 years and still have no clue what God is.

Because there is no intention to meet God in the simran.

I fall in to that category, i really dont know if Waheguru would meet me and why would He meet me . All i know is meditating raises the power to concentrate and get clarity which reduces confusion. The focused mind does not go astray and has a strong 'inner voice' to guide. I have liked the feeling of being engrossed in simran, not that i am regularly doing simran. Again, i cannot say how engrossed i was. I have no such feelings for mukti or Nirvan. Since i cannot visualize myself as a 'mukt'. I was born as so and so which i dont think i would have chosen to be .

59 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Bro, hasn't he sacrificed a lot for the Panth?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

How ?

muslim teens throw bombs on the Gurughar ...no reaction..a muslim makes a joke and the Sikh reacts ..the website calls him bhaiya ..i am wondering are the so called Sikh media getting paid or afraid of the sulleh...amazing level of phobia

Hitting women is what a Kuri maar act...in the presence of Guru Granth sahib they created this scene ..is this what they call dharam ? this is very much hurting

Khyaata comes from the word in Sanskrit Khyaati which means famous

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