jaikaara

Frankincense is also believed to be very powerful, it is known to improve depressive moods. 

13 hours ago, Guest SHARAN said:

okay i will try. thank you so much.

can you also please add if you know something about getting over depression, i get alot of dreams at night usually of my daily chores i do and the things i dont complete in my day i get their dreams. i have talked about it to some people they say to do Sohela sahib with full concentration and do ardass to Baba Deep singh ji to ask for permission to sleep, i even visited a doctor he said i stress (i have been in my family problems). its been several months and i am stuck in it badly waking up tired and regretting for missing Simran and reading Bani,this in return adds to my instability of mind. 

Can please anyone help.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh.

What i am sharing now is not my own gyaan but have listened to Katha of Giani Thakur Singh ji Dam Dami Taksal. If you would want to improve the situation , start with Japji Sahib and do 5 paaths of Jaap Sahib which would take like 1 and half hour almost if you havent been doing bani for a long time. Do more of Dasam bani a number of times like 5 Chaupai Sahib paaths , 5 Bhagouti Astotar paaths, 5 Chandi Charitar Astamo Adhyay paaths.
32 Paaths of Brahm Kawach - this takes you like 20 mins almost . 

You would also want to do Sukhmani Sahib paaths as much you can . Just do these Banis with prem bhagti and satkaar. They can be recited in front of a open Siri Sahib and if you feel okay placing a ghee jyot. 

On 5/20/2017 at 2:51 AM, chatanga1 said:

Because he divided the Kingdom to prevent the 2 sides from going to war over it. That is statesmanship.

 

If Raajdharma was to be followed then Yudhistra would have been King.

I know where you want to go but i tell you its not working like this . 

1 hour ago, kdsingh80 said:

That was different issue.Duryodhan actually believed that he has broken agyaatvaas of Pandavas. Giving 5 villages to them means that Duryodhan had to concede that Pandava's successfully completed agyaatvaas .Even though 5 villages were given the war was inevitable as Arjuna Bhima Karna Duryodhana would have come face to face somewhere else

 

As far Kashmir is concerend. iNDIA SHOULD HAD GIVEN kashmir in 50s while retaining jammu and Ladakh.Giving an inch of land now means pieces of India. 

 

The first victim of Kashmir giving will be muslims who will face wrath of Hindu's

Jihadi's will take victory of Kashmir as victory of islam over Kafirs and recruit lakhs

naxals , northeast separatist movements will get boost for independence. possibly Tamilians may also start demand their Tamil nation

the whole India may end up in civil war

 

So both situations are different

Also Duryodhan was not so evil like Aurangzeb , he just hated pandava's and believed that the thrown is his

You hit it hard on the right point ! Most NRI brothers live some Utopian dream and find it hard to understand the situation here. Besides this, Sanatan Dharam doesnt have a rule book as to say that just because Yudhisthir did this so one has to follow this ...Nopes...along with time rules change...

14 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

 

I don't want to analyze as a statesman. i want to analyse as an "atma" through the lense of dharma. Dhritrashtra was a statesman. Krishna was dharma. Who would you choose?

 

Exactly, let's forget people's whims and ideas and embrace dharma.

Dhristrashtra was never a Statesman , i do not know where did you get that from.

When a Nation is being ruled ..it the Raajdharma which is to be followed . Any tom dick harry will come up with a notion for freedom . A Nation cannot run like that . The integrity and stability of the Nation is the topmost priority .

26 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

You are wrong here. This is not a personal level concept. It is more to do with Dharma and this world we live in. Who makes nations? What qualifies as a nation? What right does any nation have to subjugate or decimate another nation?

The way you are analyzing is not how a Statesman will do . A Nation will no longer be a nation if it keeps swaying according to people's whims and influenced ideas. Even in a house rebellions are crushed . Remember yourself as a teenager and if there ever was a time when the whole house was against you and even then they didn't want you to separate. 

11 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

Why should there be any tyranny in the first place? The world's largest democracy ? The people of Kashmir have for 67 long years resented that they are part of india. Why force them to be part of it? Why no concentrate on those that actually want to be part of India? Are Indians outsiders in Kashmir or insiders?

 

 

The militant groups have made overtures to the non-muslims not to leave Kashmir, and to facilitate the return of those that did. I have read interviews where these groups have realised the mistake they made and repented for having targeted the Hindus in the firstplace. So, yes they have told me that.

 

Why should we donate Panjab to the Kashmiris? Why not just donate Kashmir to the Kashmiris, as it is their homeland? Afterall india  could fight the pakis over bangladesh for the same rights of those bengali citizens.

 

So you think that we should not compare dharma-adharma in life anymore?

 

 

Yes, lets look at the UK where I live. The irish, welsh and scottish people all have devolved parliaments. They make up a lot of their own laws, some have their own currency, and Scotland has even had the referendum on it's future. If it wants to secede from the UK, it will have the option to do so.

What stupid answers or stupid logic do you see in this?

 

Wht great answers and great logic do you see in killing people in false police encounters and torture?

 

 

If you are telling me you watched mahabharat and you still beleive in killing citizens of a state for wanting to control their own destiny, then what can I say? As I said earlier, Duryodhan is being over and over.

 

The world would be a much better place to live in, if humans groups didn't try and control one another. We have seen the mess the moghals made of india when they subjugated it, but you would think that india would learn a lesson from it and not try to repeat the same mistakes. Duryodhan and hastinapur would have had better brighter futures if they gave up 5 villages for peace. So would the whole world.

Your whole concept is of a personal level and when you live in a Nation you just cannot change things the way you want to. Be it anywhere and everywhere. Tomorrow you might want to argue with the govt where you are. You are not physically here and the way you see things, i am afraid you can never be a part of any system. 

Besides all these differences i still see you as a brother and know that just as you have changed with time, time will bring in more changes . 

Akaal Bless you. We agree to disagree but wont waste pages in argument. 

20 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

That is a different case scenario. The Kashmiris did not come from a different place. they come from kashmir.

the tyranny is the same act whether done by insider or outsider. 

 

Even the kashmiri groups now recognise that it was a foolish move to target hindus, and they repent that.

Really? And they told you that ?

India has an obligation to it's people, for their survival amongst others. The indian govt has got itself embroiled into a silly conflict on which it spends so much while its true patriots die in their thousands from hunger. Do you not see the irony?

People have an obligation too, if you think it is so silly have a big heart and donate your in Punjab to the kashmiris 

People like me would watch Mahabharat and wonder why the indian govt is so anti-Krishna/Yudhistra. And then remind others that they need not be like Duroyodhan.

What a comparison ! Grow up man.

 

The politicians live a very comfortable life in new delhi, whilst other peoples sons take the risks in fighting a useless war. Why dont the policy makers go and fight? Why are the new delhi wale expecting everything to be done by others?

it is a system, it is running the country as a whole nation. there are groups within the U.K. and U.S.  too wanting some territory as a separate land, try preaching this stupid logic to them and see what answers you get. 

 

Im laughing and crying at this. Watch mahabharat. Decide who was righteous and who wasn't and which side you see yourself on.

Please dont waste your time watching, since what you learnt in the end in your way is crap!

1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:

 

Panjab can only be "donated" to the Panjabis. The ardas for Sri Nankana Sahib is for sewa sambhal of those holy shrines. Not to take those territories (West Panjab) into our control again. The Sikhs messed up in 1947, but that doesn't mean we can blame everyone else. The culture of blame seems to be a big part of indian psyche.

You have named it Punjab otherwise someone can name it something different too. It is not about blame, if you cannot leave what you love then why do you expect someone else to do that. Tomorrow in Punjab  if the Bihari migrant numbers increase and they decide to throw out Sikhs like what was done with Kashmiri Pundits then what would you want to do ? India should do this ..and do that ..and what would people like you do ? Live a comfortable life in western countries and expect everything to be done by everyone else . 
 

I thought looking at your posts that your mindset had matured and all that hatred had diminished. That doesn't seem to be the case though...its futile to explain and discuss anything. 

Thanks for nothing. 

On 5/7/2017 at 2:18 AM, chatanga1 said:

You know, you sound just like Duroyadhan saying that. Everybody has the freedom to choose their religion. Add to that the pretence of india being the world's largest democracy, you can see that these people ruling india have clearly forgotten the teachings and guidance of Mahabharat.

And this country continues to use suppression where it should be using intellect. So what if kashmir goes? Already a part of this made up country called india has lost territory called pakistan and Bangladesh. So what if a little more goes, at least those left can eat properly.

Well then you should be generous to donate 'Punjab' as it is you dont live on Indian territory . Why is that in the ardas there is mention of Panja Sahib, Nanakana Sahib ? Why dont you convince them to change this post partition addition to the ardas ? 

15 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

They weren't prosperous, but just had a better standard of living compared to other indian states.

 

It's their prerogative. you can't be everyone's mother. The british could say the same thing for india and pakistan and numerous other countries they invaded and then set free. Does that mean we should get the brits ruling india again?

 

It's their choice what they want to do. it's pretty ironic that you think this. if it would destroy them why not give it to them, let them destroy themselves and then take over again?

Based on a foreign religion's concept they are asking for a separate country which is part of this country. Unfortunately there is no other choice but to suppress

On 5/3/2017 at 10:33 PM, Guest Shastar said:

I am in India on a hunt to find a shastarvidiya ustad. I have learnt a few styles like snake but have lost my former ustad. So I am travelling around India finding someone so far no luck. So I was wondering if anyone on this forum can help or have any ideas where to go.

If you can do any seva please do.

Thanks.

Very glad to hear from you, which part of India are you from ? I would be glad to help you . 

On 5/4/2017 at 8:02 PM, chatanga1 said:

They may have a plan., but you have to accept that they (Kahsmiris) are the inhabitants of that land. that they have changed religion doesn't mean they don't belong there. How long will you hold a majority against their will for political purposes?

If we go by the Mahabharata the indian govt is committing adharam. Rulers have a duty to serve the citizens, but here (as in other places of india) the rulers are more of the duroyodhan (and aurangzeb) type.

The govt should idealy hold a referundum for the kashmiris, and give them that area of land that their votes determine. Jammu need not be given. It could be given on the condition that pakistan also cedes it control over kashmir, and kashmir be allowed to be a fully independent country. india needs to wake up to the reality that a disgruntled populace do the country more harm than is imagined. Release the rope and little and get a lot more in return.

 

Concerning the other states, they have muslim minorities so i cant see them becoming any kind if majority there in the next 100 years. And even then they wouldnt have the murky history that kashmir has had since 1947. Nor Panjab for that matter,  but it has to be accepted that the demand for Khalistan does not have the support it once had, and generally the support for Khalistan at this moment in time is weak.

 

Khalistan movement lasted around 12 years, Kashmir movement has been going for around 28 years. North-east secession has been on since 1947. World powers or pretenders to wolrd power cannot have these kind of internal chaos if they wish to progress.

Before militancy they were one of the prosperous states in India and were living a good life . They themselves have made their own lives hell. The best way to destroy their culture is giving them independence . There are different voices, one group wants complete freedom from both India and Pakistan and another wants to accede to Pakistan. Islam and Kashmiriyat are not the same sides of a coin . They have been convinced that Islamic rule will improve their lives. It is quite contrary to the fact . There is barely any islamic ruled country which is living in peace . 

5 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

I have been watching Mahabharat again recently and came to the part where Lord Krishna becomes a peace envoy for the Pandavs and asks King Dhritrashtr for the Pandavs kingdom to be returned. Naturally Durodhyan objects, and Krishan then offers plan B, where he says the 5 Pandavs would be content with 5 villages only. Duroyodhhna replies that he wount give even a pin-prick of land to them, and then war starts and there is immense loss on both sides.

 

When watching this it reminded me of the current situation in Kashmir, and how the indian govt is pouring so much of its money into holding onto Kashmir by force. Wouldn't it be better to let Kashmir go, if they really want to be free and concentrate on those people who actuallu want to live in india as indians? So many people dying of poverty could be helped.

 

Isn't the indian govt just as stubborn as Durodhyan and making the same mistake ?

Bro remember one thing, this is not going to be limited to Kashmir ..they the sulleh are well planned ..they will boom populations with time and then state after state will fall in their hands . Look what they are doing to Europe.

On 4/21/2017 at 1:03 AM, das said:

What you've said is ultimate reality but that kind of vision is possible ONLY when one has already won the war on Maya and have removed all the veils of Illusion (Mal/Vikshape/Avaran). This stage is called Gyan and comes only after the "Purity of Mind" and "Upsana of Guru". Till Gyan stage is not reached, all of what you've said is purely theory and Mind canNOT be controlled that way. Give it a try and you'll see. What we're doing is pretending/faking this theory by thinking (mind is already involved in thinking).

These days majority of Sikhs (and other religions) have gone astray and is following the black-and-white theory, e.g Sikhs claims

• We believe in Nirgun and worship Nirgun only. Problem is we don't know the Nirgun, and if Nirgun is not known, then how to worship him?
• Just concentrate on Shabad and no need to put dhayan on any sakar/physical thing. They don't even acknolwdge the concentration on Sri Guru Granth sahib Ji, even though we all bow to GuruJi. It's saying like I want to hang the clothes on the wall but don't want to put a nail on wall to hold the clothes. i.e we need something to put the dhayan on, in the later stages, that dhayan will be switched to Nirgun but that stage is very far.
• We see God in all etc., but then we go to Gurdwara to judge the kathakars/kirtinas.

The problem is we fail to understand the reality behind the core concepts and just take the facts on face-value. Most people in every religion (ours included i.e Sikhs) believes in Boxed God (God in a box which satisfies certain pre-conceived notions). May be its the way Kalyug works, otherwise there will be Peace, Calm, and Love everywhere!

you hit it on spot ! this is the problem with religion be it anyone. They dont acknowledge anyone else outside their box. 

sometimes atheists turn out to be better human beings than religious minded . 

2 hours ago, Jaspal Hunjan said:

OK thank you. Which stage comes first? Saas Giraas or the Ajapa jaap?

Sat1176 bhaisahab has explained it very well, what i feel is to achieve ajapaa jaap it may not be necessary that you go through the saas giraas process ..saas giraas is a method and ajapaa jaap is a stage of spirituality of a awastha as we call it . If there is Guru kirpa the person would enter into the ajapaa jaap stage.

Waheguru knows the best.

very good question, thank you so much for bringing this up. With a little understanding of what i have if i were to try to explain the difference it would be like this . 

Saas giraas is outward or physical method of inhaling Wahe and exhaling Guru 

Ajapa jaap is a awastha ..the person does not do any physical efforts ..the jaap goes on inside him/her.

This is what i have understood from reading various topics, i have not discussed this with a awastha waale mahapurush. Waheguru knows the best .

Akaal ! 

On 4/10/2017 at 1:49 AM, chatanga1 said:

 

For me it's respect. i bow to my gutkas and also to some of my books which are more gurmat based as well. Like if Im reading a teeka or Gurbilas, Panth Parkash etc I will touch it to to my forehead out of respect. For other books like Sikh/Panjabi history I don't. It may also be something about knowledge as well. If you are learning from the book, is that book a "guru" a teacher for you? If it is then bowing or some kind of respect is necessary. I for one, never allow books to be on the floor, or touch them with my feet.

I do this too...today as i opened the news Senchis of Guru Granth Sahib ji ..i felt so good to see the Saroops i want to do a proper worship and start doing the paath. ..the feeling just comes . 

On 2/19/2017 at 10:50 PM, tva prasad said:

yeah bro keep it up har ke naam bin jhute sagal pasaray.

do u get vibrations too?

Haan ji veer i do ...i think the quiet enviroment lets you feel the vibrations much better.

On 2/18/2017 at 8:56 PM, paapiman said:

Bro, have you noticed that you feel these vibrations more in winters as compared to summer?

Also, what sound was being blasted? Waheguru? Kirtan?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

yes i too have noticed this , i dont do Nitnem or anything much however a little more than a month ago i started doing Chaupai Sahib and Sohila before going to sleep . I do the paath between 1-2 am depend when i am returning from work .

30 minutes ago, tva prasad said:

housewives have plenty to do.

Oh yea ! then should i replace it with mistress !

16 hours ago, Liv said:

On the other hand -- the best reflection is done internally - so all the best to you and .... best wishes dude. See you round the traps sometime eh?

16 hours ago, Liv said:

I'm confused... I've seen plenty of women leading congregations who have a beard (some facial hair)... so why is this so revolutionary and difficult to achieve... and the sexual orientation of any granthi or ragi is ... surely none of anyone's business ? people do seva as they are skilled to do based on their knowledge and service of Gurbani and kirtan - to be prejudiced otherwise would seem odd and un-sikh like. 

I don't go and tell anyone to do anything !  It's good Karma   Good luck to you -- still no Gurbani reference..... try again.... I do have a lot of patience. Anything for a Brother... !

Some facial hair is understood but have you seen that woman with a full beard ? Orientation becomes a point when things which are not straight start getting difficult . From your mindset i know you want to paint yourself goodie goodie. Thats okay for you but not for others in the sangat. So when you practically cannot go and explain to your local committee you want to  waste people's time here.

" I dont go and tell anyone to do anything "  why ??? then how come you come here to give your love for humanity ? because you know someone is not going to hit you hard on your face  for all your 'opinion'  here on SA!!!

Go and show your patience to your local committee with such thoughts and i am sure they will patiently paint you red !

Go on like a nagging housewife who's got nothing to do in the afternoon !

9 minutes ago, Liv said:

Thank you my dear!  I'll take that as a gracious compliment you offer:  "flowery decoration with my words"  -- was this your attempt at "daya" ? Would you prefer I use more simple language? I apologise if my words offended you. 

Here I will try again given your esteemed and most respectful feedback in the spirit of unity of the Panth! 

The logic you offered was most simple indeed - we are in complete agreement on that - but the issue here is that it may just be too simple as it implied judgement and hate towards members of humanity (by the way who are all sacred to my Guru): these human beings are diverse and varied, human beings may include women, people who identify and are gay and/or transexuals. I understood what you were saying very well. So well that I felt compelled to speak up and ask you to clarify. I put it to you that your comments are in contradiction to the very Panth's unity you espouse to be advocating for. I am asking you to reflect and have another try. This will be helpful not only to you but to us all, in the spirit of unity. 

Try to spend less time worrying about what others are doing (i.e. Pandora's box is not in Guru Granth Sahib Ji so fear not! ..) and distraction of the Panth.. ah...  perhaps self-reflect on your own use of words and capacity, in fact, to be that same distraction?

I will give you a Guru reference to assist my words: "Aval Allah Noor Upayia Kudrat Kay sabh bandeh, ek noor teh sab jag upajaiya kaun bhaleh ko mandehy?" - In deep remembrance of my 9th Guru who gave his head for the right for others to maintain their freedom of choice... lest we forget! We must remain as one and that includes considering all of humanity as one. There is no room for judgement in the house of my Guru. I consider this page my Guru's house - with respect. 

God is One! Please, do try again. Please remember to include direct references to the Guru this time - if you aren't sure, please ask someone to teach you - you might want to start on Page 1 of Guru Granth Sahib JI..... the only living energy we listen to as a unified Panth as we are all but learning and we ALL make mistakes..... and sibling of the Panth! Just like me, you are but a Servant of. 

I look forward to your response. 

Waheguru!

So then go and tell your local Gurdwara committee to appoint Granthis and Ragis whose orientations are different, do you think they will agree? Agreed with you all humanity is one, i respect people individually as one mankind but to lead the congregation it is general mindset that sangat in general will not want complications. That lady who's grown a beard can you then have her lead the sangat ? Talking big and ideal is all good try things practically.

23 hours ago, Liv said:

"tantrum" kind of questions? With respect, let's not move to convenient implied misogyny to get across your point. Please try again and this time use describing, respectful, compassionate words. Start with Daya - it was the first name of the Panj Pyareh chosen by your Guru. And what, of all things, do you mean by "jump to gays and transsexuals". ? If you are going to commence a learned discussion at the level of resorting to labels, at least have the courage "Jaikaara" to finish what you start. It is then we can see and respond to you in your full glory. 

With respect, please try again. 

you have all the time to do your flowery decoration with your words, so  please go ahead. The logic i gave was simple enough to understand, at every point a person who is different than other human beings will want to acquire a special status in the Panth , i should in fact say they want to just open the Pandora's box and distract the Panth.

On 11/22/2016 at 1:36 PM, ADSingh said:

Hello, SSA ji.

I am a deep spiritual person in software business. I see lot of people around me entangled in randomness of life and have no way to get out of the cycle they are in. I can see through most of it and try to preserve my values through simran, listening to jap ji sahab, chaupai sahab, rehras sahab couple of times in a week. I do mediations and breathing exercises regularly. In all, everything is good but i feel i want to take it a new level now. I want to upgrade my lifestyle by having a stronger purpose in life with a stronger connection with god. (I have a different interpretation of god. God is person whom i can adore and follow. I do not who god is but i can relate to all the things Guru Nanak dev ji has preached. He has lived a life to explore all questions of this life and has passed on his learnings in form of Gurbani.)  

I have been wanting to take Amrit for many years now but don't want to keep kesh. I understand the significance of all - Kesh, Kada, Kanghi, Kachera and  Kirpan. Gurugobind Singh ji wanted to pass on a message through these symbols which keeps our resolve and intensions as original. Sikh derives his pride from his identity and Kesh i am important part of it. But i cannot reconcile myself to this symbolization but i am ready to follow the path of the Gurus. I was born in to a Sikh Family but my faith has increased over time looking at other faiths and how convoluted religions have become in the world affairs. Sikhism still has it basic aspects khalis since it is the newest religion on earth.

I would seek advice from this community and see what you think about my perspective here.  I will be grateful for your replies.

good to hear from you bhaisahaab...i too am from the IT industry, good to connect with another veer from the same background . I understand your dilemma and i too am going through this in a way , the difference is i come from a Hindu family background . We need to introspect and meditate . I quote this from the Japji Sahib time and again and am doing it again here.

Hukumae andar sab ko , Baahar Hukum na Koe

first step will be to end this 'i' within us , as explained by our veer in the earlier replies and then 'surrender' . This alone will take time , i am sure if we do this we will get our answer as to whether we are fit or not.