Mighty Kaur

Where is your proof that Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is the complete and Guru of the Sikhs. And what will you show me that ur a Khalsa. lol The guy who rejects Sri Dasam Granth is Khalsa. Take your brahmin teachings back to SPN. They will love you there and if you suck up to them long enough, they'll even make you part of there team of fools. And the sangat here knows you deserve such a title after your hard work.

Guru Fateh to all,

I am astonished to read that people can come to such a low level, that they start doubting their own Father, their Guru. You said what is the proof that SGGSji is complete Guru and Guru of sikhs?

My question is : Are you a Sikh? Coz a sikh can never ask a question like that.

A Sikh doesn't have doubt in his mind about SGGSji. But for your clarification I will tell you, its written in SGGSji itself. SGGS ji is Shabad Guru and Guru Nanak sahib himself said :

"Shabad Guru, Surat Dhun Chela......." Is that not enough.

Historical proofs proves that Guru Gobind Singh ji gace gurgaddi to SGGSji only not any other granth. But leaving a father you have faith in your uncle, no one knows whether that uncle is real or fake.

As Gurbani in Asa ki vaar says

"Khasam chodd duje lagey, dubbe se vanjareya, Satguru hai bohitha, virle kine vichareya......."

Even in the dohra which we recite everyday, after the ardaas, (even if it is not Gurbani), claims:

"Agya bhayee akaal ki, tabhay chalayo panth

Sabh sikhan ko hukam hai, Guru manyo Granth"

For more details read : http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0827-damdmi-granth.html

You have started doubting SGGSji, by the way who gave authority to Bachittar Natak Granth (so called Dasam Granth), whose name have changed so many times. If Guru Gobind Singh can add Guru Teg Bahadur ji's Bani in SGGSji, if he had written his own bani, why couldn't he wrote his bani in SGGSji. There was no restrictions for him to do that. He was Guru and he had right to do that.

Except the writings which are at par with SGGSji, are included in Nitnem and Amrit Sanchar according to Sikh Rehat Maryada, Sri Akal Takht Sahib. 60% of DG is full of vulgarity, others have rituals which is not gurmat, and the writings which are mythological and are not even no way closer to the ideology of SGGSji.

For your kind information, Brahmanical teachings are there in DG, not SGGSji. For eg:

"Ab mai apni katha bakhano........Mur pit purab kiyas payan, bhant bhant ke tirath nana... Jab eh jaat triveni bahye, punn daan din kart bitaye... tahi parkash hamar bhayo, patna shahar vikhe bahv layo...

Tell me, which Gurmat is this. Guru Teg Bahadur condemned all the rituals, and he himslef will indulge himself in these rituals. Guru Teg Bahadur ji himself in Gurbani says (p 1428 SGGS)

"Teerath barat ar daan kar, man mai dhare gumaan

Nanak nihfal jat tih, jeo kunchar isnaan"

Those who make pilgrimages to sacred shrines, observe ritualistic fasts and make donations to charity while still taking pride in their minds - O Nanak, their actions are useless, like the elephant, who takes a bath, and then rolls in the dust. ||46||

There are so many examples like this, my dear.

Might begum ji

Again same rants.Are you not ashamed of calling him a professor? How can a 10 grade become a professor. Stop lying you fakes.

In Punjabi there is a saying

" Kasaian de kehan te dangar nahin marde"

On wishes of butchers cattle do not die

You may curse akal takhat but it is not going to take our respect away from this great instituion of sikhs. Only traitors who work at behest of anti sikh elements condemn akal takhat.

Its not the same rants, its the logical rant which you cannot digest. If people like you are not ashamed of calling DG as "Sri Dasam Sri Guru Granth Sahib", then why should I be.

"Kasaian de kehan te dangar nahin marde". So you consider the *DG followers "dangar". You are absolutely right. You have given a new name to yourself. Well done. LOL.......

(* Note: Whole of the DG is not writing of Sri Guru Gobind Singh, only few which comes in Amrit ceremony and others which are at par with SGGS ji.)

Coming to the point. We are here to discuss, then discuss properly with facts and figures.

A sikh is baptized with banis of Dasam Granth and then he gets these names singh and kaur.Read sikh history before making shameless claims.Since you do not believe in DG youo are not a sikh in general and you have no business to use name kaur.

We know real target of gurnindaks is Amrit ceremony. Is Kaur mentioned in SGGS ji? If not why you are using it? Remove it and add begum/kumari after Mighty.

I am not making claims, then you tell me where is the mention of Amrit in DG. Singh or Kaur doesn't comes from DG, it was given so as to maintain uniformity, taking out the gots from the name, as people use to write and still write their surnames.

No one disclaims Amrit, it was a unanimous decisions of sikhs to have Jaap Sahib, Chaupai and Sawwaiye alongwith Japji Sahib and Anand Sahib. DG was not even there when Guru Sahib blessed sikhs with Amrit.

Is SGGS incomplete Guru? Amrit can be made with the banis of SGGS ji also. But untill there are modifications in SRM, the present maryada needs to be followed.

Amrit ceremony the most important one and historic aspect in th elife of Sikh, is not even mentioned in DG. So how you call it as writing of Sri Guru Gobind Singh. There are other historic facts which are not mentioned in DG, which are important, missing from DG. If DG can have all other mythologies of Hindus, the most important Amrit ceremony, Guru Sahib ji forgot? Come on man.....be realistic.

Yes, there is mention of how sikh of Mahaakaal can be made in DG. "Mahakaal fo sikhya kar, Madira Bhaang pilaye." To become Sikh of Mahakaal, Madira (Sharaab etc.) and Bhaang is needed. Now you will say Mahakaal is God. Mahakaal is death, ........ anyway this is not the topic, it was for ur reference. Read the verse of SGGS ji,

"Jap gobind gopal laal, ram naam simar tu jivay, phir na khayee mahakaal"

How did you become a Sikh of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji? Have you received Amrit?

Yes, I have partaken "Khande dee pahul". So, what do you have to say about it? You mean to say, if you are Sikh of SGGS then Khande dee pahul is partaken, while reciting Jaap Sahib, Chaupai and Sawaiyye which are from DG, alongwith Japji Sahib and Anand Sahib.

So, no one has the issue with these writings which are at par with SGGS. But, that doesn't mean that whole of the DG is writing of Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji. This is the key factor which needs to be understood. When Panthic Sikh Rehat Maryada (SRM) of Sri Akal Takht Sahib was made, it was a unanimous decision by the scholars and Gursikhs that this would be the guideline. No one has contradicted that. SRM in Section 3, Chapter IV, Article 5e clearly says

- No book should he installed like and at par with the Guru Granth Sahib . Worship of any idol or any ritual or activity should not be allowed to be conducted inside the Gurudwara.

Main concern is that people are placing DG at par with SGGS at Hazoor Sahib, Patna Sahib, Dum Dummy Taksaal, Nihangs and few others, like Smethwick Gurudwara in UK. Who gave the authority? Guru Gobind Singh ji ordaned Guruship to SGGS only. DG can be read, no problem but its not our Guru. Few of the writings whose concept is at par with SGGS should be read. Most part of DG is not even writings of Guru Sahib. The above said Takhts & jathebandis are violating Guru's order and SRM. This is where the friction comes.

As you have written if I beleive only in SGGS, how I am Amrtidhari. For more clearity see the definition of Sikh in SRM Section 1, Chapter 1, and Article 1

Any human being who faithfully believes in

i. One Immortal Being,

ii. Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Sahib to Guru Gobind Singh Sahib,

iii. The Guru Granth Sahib,

iv. The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus and

v. the baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru, and who does not owe allegiance to any other religion, is a Sikh

Now u will say it is written in SRM "The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus", then Tenth Guru wrote DG, that is where the problem is. There is no indication, except a few writings which can be authentically said to be of Guru Sahib. 60% of DG is Charitropakhyan, a real crap, and so many other compostitions, which we people are trying to put on Guru Sahib's name. Anyway, coming to the point, in SGGS, First 5 Gurus from Guru Nanak Dev ji to Guru Arjan Dev ji's shabads, then Guru Teg Bahadur ji's shabads alongwith Bhagats and 3 gursikhs' shabads are compiled. Guru Hargobind Sahib, Guru Har Rai ji, Guru Harkrishan Sahib and Guru Gobind Singh's Bani is not there. That doesn't mean that we don't have respect for the gurus who doesn't have their bani. Guru is a Guru. So why do we impose DG's writings on Tenth Guru?

Kam ji

I have never seen you in such a mood.This so called mighty kumari asks for such answers.

There is a saying that " Soolan atte moorakh da moohn chhittar nal sidda keeta janda hai"

This means that thorns and fools are straightened by a strong shoe.This lady rejects adsam granth sahib and yet writes kaur with her name.This is height of idiocy for this follower of kababi ragi .

Changing my name doesn't changes me. Answer to your quote "Pathar se sir takraoge to, sir toot jayega, chhittar kya cheez hai"

Who accepts DG? Who gave the authority to acept it? Its only people who doesn't have full faith in SGGS, they do. Is SGGS not sampuran?

For your knowlegde, "Kaur" doesn't comes from DG. The most important "Khande Dee Pahul" or "Amrit Ceremony" is not even mentioned in DG, who you people are trying to put on Sri Guru Gobind Singh's name. Check out the your resources then write something.

Amardeep ji

we are not facing only blasphemy of darsahn ragi.We are also facing a public relations compaign of anti sikh forces that are behind Ragi.

He goes to akal takhat to get propaganda mileage. he will go again but will not appear before akal takhat.This is a way to systematically erode respect of akal takhat from sikhs mind so that sikhs as a minority do not have a central command to guide them.

In all essence if he does not care to go there he will be excommunicated.then we will ahve some more to deal with after he is gone.

If someone doesn't knows about the something, guide him don't misguide. Prof. appeared in front of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, not in puppet Jathedars room. Newspapers and TV channels showed it.

Akal Takht is a not mere building, its a concept, which needs to be understood.

3 of these Jathedras including Gurbachan Singh don't follow sri Akal Takht Sahib's Sikh Rehat Maryada. These puppets are themselves Tankhaiya, how can they call someone else.

By excommunicating, doesn't mean the end of the world. And to in this scenario, the puppets have made Sri Akal Takht as mere police station, where Babas like Dhuma, Dhanwant singh, Daljit Singh Chicago and more, go untouched, politicians like Badal and family, no matter how much they do against Sikhi, they are untouched. These are the people who have demoloshed the significance of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, not Prof. He himself says in kirtans samagams to follow SRM according to AKT.

The above is a typical retort by these atheists.This is a cover not to enter a debate as that will kill them in public. For your info babas are not challenging this fake prof.Challenge is from real professors about half a dozen who have worldly degrees and also professors of religion.

Bring out your rag tag brigade of 8 and 10 graders who attach fake titles with their names.They will never dare to come out of rat holes as they ahve no knowledge of scriptures.

By saying Atheists doens't make any difference. Say anything. Truth remains truth. DG supporters just know the language of killing 'maar deyange, sodh deyange....". If you people had some courgae, why did Hari Singh Randhawa ran away. Why is Iqbal Singh so called Jathedar of Patna Sahib, not able to answer even a single question.

Worldy degress never count in religion.

As Gurbani says : Jo prani nis din dheaavey, padaya anpadaya paramgat paave

Pad pad gaddi laddiye..........Nanak likhe ik gal hor houmay jhakhnaa jhaakh

By the way Prof is not in the hole, he is going everywhere in India for kirtan samagams, more to come in coming days.

Mighty kumari/begum ji

Sharabi/kababi have no chracter to damage otehrs.You are mistaken as most of these so called programmes in his followers' homes and not at gurudwaras. had it been so this kababi would have performed at gurudwara Rakab ganj on Guru sahib's birthday.

Visit www.khalsanews.org, www.wakeupkhalsa.com to view reports on Gurdwara samagams, in Hoshiarpur, Kapurthala, Phagwara, Jaipur, Kanpur, Delhi etc. You need to open your eyes. Writing baseless, heard from somewhere, doesn't count. Visit the following:

17 Dec 09 New Delhi http://www.khalsanews.org/Dec2009i.htm

21 Dec Jaipur : http://www.khalsanews.org/Dec2009l.htm

23 Dec 09 Kanpur http://www.khalsanews.org/Dec2009/Dec2009r.htm

27 Dec 09 Hoshiarpur http://www.khalsanews.org/Dec2009/Dec2009t.htm

Main reason for not having program at Rakab Ganj is Sarna, who is playing double standards. He is afraid of being ex-communicated and moreover he is a politician, who needs vote. He is eyeing on SGPC elections.

Veer ji, have some open mind and broader spectrum to view the scenario. Don't just see what other wants you to see. Do ur own research.

Mighty kaur judging by your agenda you must have starred in one of the Charritars, stirring trouble, those Charittars were a warning against venomous trecherous troubled women like you!

Now you are talking something senseless. I don't consider Charitropakhyan as writings of Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji. Yes, you should be aware of me, coz I am Sikh of SGGS not of DG. SGGS gives pure thoughts not venomous as DG gives.

Why is being summoned to speak at a room near the Akaal Takht an issue when the professor used to hold meetings with the punj Singhs in his home???

Were you there with him? Don't write baseless. See the pics at http://www.khalsanews.org/Dec2009l.htm

Moreover as you wrote "when the professor used to hold meetings with the punj Singhs in his home"

What's wrong conducting a meeting in a home? Every Jathedar can conduct. But this is not a meeting, its an issue related to Sikh Panth. If Prof. Darshan Singh is at fault, and he himself said that he is ready to answer their questions in front of sangat, so what is the problem? This was the golden chance for Jathedars to prove Prof wrong, if he was. But the Jathedars knew that if they came out, then their chances to hold ground are not favorable.

See the whole video of Prof of Rochester Kirtan and listen to it properly. Then read that story 21 of Chartropakhyan in DG, then read its translation, then view the video of Giani Shavinder Singh pro DG, who also narrated the same story. Then come to conclusion. If Giani Shavinder SIngh was not summoned, why Prof then?

See the following :

- 23 Aug 2009 Full Video of Prof. Darshan Singh at Rochester Gurudwara, New York

http://www.wakeupkhalsa.com/video-shabad.php

- 23 Feb 2008 Giani Savinder Singh's video on Anoop Kaur (view after 30min track)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5920466114844553222#

- Dr. Jodh Singh's Hindi Translation of DG (only Anoop Kaur episode in this file)

http://www.khalsanews.org/articles/Dasam%20Granth_Dr.Jodh%20Singh-Anoop%20Kore.pdf

Truth about Giani Iqbal Singh : http://www.singhsabhacanada.com/Video/34

Coz these puppet Jathedars work under Boss Badal. Due to the SGPC elections in near future, only Prof. was thier main enemy who can damage them. So they tried to eliminate him. But, its all way round now. Sikhs are conducting Kirtan Samagams every where.

Hope it helps.

Kam veerji, you took the words right out of my mouth.

Kam Veerji is busy in Kaam. You wrote absolutely right "Kam veerji, you took the words right out of my mouth" He is writing shit, and u r spitting shit, thats what comes out of ur mouth, right.

Mighty Kaur just to keep you updated with the views of the forum: YOU CHAT SHIT!!!!!!

As told earlier, Mind ur language. But its not ur fault, reading too much of Charitropakhyan, will lead to this. By the way, If I chat Shit, you lick that SHIT!!!!!!

Might kaur

Let me ask you one question so that we know from where you speak.

Do you believe in sikh literature other than SGGS ji.That is important to know before replying to your bukwas.

You need to shed some ignorance about sharabi kababi darshan ragi

1) It is a fact that he is 10 grade pass and was employed as a compounder at Jagroan(Ludhiana district)

Compounder means a low grade para medic who packs medicine.

2) It is also a fact that when called on JUS TV for clarifying his blasphemic remarks he could not read even one line from Dasam Granth.

3) It is a fact that he does not know the language of dasam granth.

4) It is a fact that his name appears in MK dhar's book "OPen secrets" and is mentioned as

an agent.

There is another challenge for him from dasam granth parbodh sabha asking him to come for discussion. He has not responded and will never respond. May be he is too busy with his sharab kabab.

Now you came to the point. SGGS is our only Guru and DG & other granths can be sikh literatures. Anyone has the right to read any scripture, but no one has the right to parkash DG at par with SGGS and claim DG as Guru, as few of the Taksalis in UK, 2 Takhts in India, anpad Nihangs are doing.

I speak from where everyone speaks, if you speak from something different place, u might have some problem. Get it checked. LOL.....

Ans 1. Before becoming something everyone has to do some kind of jobs. By the way, compounder is not a low profile job, he needs to know about the medicines first, then he can do. Moreover no job is low profile, its ur state of mind which makes it.

Ans 2. He was reading it, you couldn't listen and not even tried to listen. Moreover for ur kind information he was saying that he cannot read properly as light is not proper. Furthermore, he had a eye problem before he went to India. Check local newspaper of Toronto for that.

Ans 3. How do you know that he doesn't knows the language. You are putting all these so called facts, as you live right beside him. I wrote in my earlier reply, that he accepted the challenge from your so called Baba Hari Singh Randhawe wala, where ur baba ran from stage. How did Prof. go there, without knowlegde!!! Come on man be realistic, don't just make forts in air.

Ans 4. MK Dhar is not a God, he has written what came to his mind, and what Govt. wanted him to write.

About Dasam Granth Parbodh Sabha, the newly created organisation to counter Anti-DG brigade. What a joke. All Babas, and few pseudo scholars. Challenge can be accepted, but before that they need to accept Sri Akal Takht Sahib's Sikh Rehat Maryada, which none of these follow. Nihangs, Taksals and all these Babas have their own maryada. Dhuma and party do Chalihe, hawan, 25 singh's Akhand Paath, DG parkash and all other crappy rituals which is against Sikh Rehat Maryada. How can there be discussion, untill they leave all this and come on atleast a common plateform.

He is not busy in sharab & kabab (I think u like it, that's why you write it), as told earlier too read newspapers and watch TV, he is busy in Kirtan Samagams everywhere. People have responded to the call going against the verdict of puppet Jathedars.

Veerji, open ur eyes, and see the world with Guru's eyes.

Rab Rakha

When there is a discussion, you all need to learn one thing : Mind your language.

Except a few so called "Khalsa", Taksalis, Babas, illetrate Nihangs and few pseudo scholars like Lamba, Pannu and few more are promoting DG. Rest whole of th epanth has only one Guru ie; SGGS.

as Gurbani says "Khasam admin cut duje lage, dubbe se vanjareya"

Leaving the true guru, going to another thug guru, those people will definitely drown

Who gave the permision to have the DG parkash at par with SGGS? Did Guru Gobind Singh give? No, then who r u all people to put DG with SGGS? This shows the insanity of you people. You don't have faith in SGGS, that's why you wander here & there.

Reg ur questions : You all don't have no proofs that he is 10th grade. Moreover, I even don't need. Prof. Darshan Singh is way better than your DG scholars who don't even know how to speak. Your so called scholar pseudo Baba, Hari SIngh Randhawe wala, ran, leaving the stage at Newyork, when he himself said thet I will not debate with Jeonwala, I will debate only with Prof. Prof. came there even though he got news few minutes before that his brother Bhai Zorawar SIngh has drowned at Hari ke pattan. Despite that big heartbreaking news, Prof. came for debate. This shows the strength which can only come, if one beleives only in one Guru ie; Shabad guru Sri Guru Granth Sahib.

Now you will say, he was challenged before at Damdama Sahib, who were they? All Nihangs and few others who don't have any authority. Prof. even told that if Sri Akal Takht Sahib calls him, then he will go. These so called Nihangs, who doesn't have nothing to do, just capturing peoples land, eating, taking Sukha, afeem and other intoxicants, wearing mountain like dumallas of no use, wearing big kirpans and other shastars, just for display. Where were these Nihangs when Kharkoo Singhs laid there life for panth, Young sikhs from normal families came out for Sikhi. Not a single nihang laid his life then and even during Sirsa wala Sadh episode. These Nihangs are just burden on earth and on sikhi.

Question 2 : Ans: Were you with him when Prof. holded his meeting at his home. Just throwing stones in dark... See the world with your own eyes, not with Panthic.org or Lamba's specs.

You all are baffled with the response Prof. gets from Sikhs. Read the newspapers, and watch TV then you will know how many programs does he has in India.

Regarding Panthic.org, that site has just all crap against Prof. Nothing else to do, real bukwas.

Any one else, having any question, reply to this. Before your Admin blocks my user. coz you all like to discuss who have similar thoughts as you all have. Discusion is always fruitful, when someone has difference of opinion. I don't mind whatever you may write about me, it will just show how literate you are, how is ur upbringing and how you talk to another person.

Kam has used the right words.

Whole khalsa panth promotes DG.Only a few heretisc who can be counted on fingers are propagating against DG.

May i ask this mighty kaur

1) Why Darshan Ragi writes himself as professor? He is a 10 grade pass> Does that not show he has no ethics.

2) Darshan ragi used to hold these meetings at his home at Ludhiana a distance of 70 miles from Amritsar sahib.

3) He is a sharabi and kababi as reported by panthic.org. Is it OK for his thug followers.

Mighty kaur see these vidoes before you write bukwas here

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=5ssWDw8Qfno

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=LRjFvvyJYiE

Gurbachan Singh is propagting the issue. Everyone know that Prof. Darshan Singh went to Sri Akal Takht Sahib. It was in news on TV and Newspaper. In the letter sent to Prof. it was written to appear at Akal Takht, not in the room. Right? So where is the question of not appearing.

But now the question arises, Jathedars who themselves are "Tankhiya", can they call they summon someone else. For instance:

1. Iqbal Singh, Jathedar Patna Sahib & Jathedar Hazoor Sahib, Kulwant Singh are themselves Tankhaiya, as at Patna Sahib, DG prakash is done at par with SGGS, Aarti and Bell ringing are done, which are against Sikh Rehat Maryada.

2. Giani Gurbachan Singh is Tankhaiya too, as he has faith in DG also, and promotes DG, bows in front of DG,which is against Sikh Rehat Maryada

So how can all these summon Prof. to Sri Akal Takht. Prof. is awakening the Sikhs against the bad part of DG, not against Nitnem Banis.

Giani Gurbachan Singh, Jathedar Sri Akal Takhat Sahib, talks to JUS Punjabi TV on the Maryada of Sri Akal Takhat Sahib in giving someone Tankhah and other Panthic issues including Ragi Darshan Singh's failure to appear before Sri Akal Takhat Sahib

Jathedar Gurbachan Singh reveals how Darshan Singh, while serving as the Jathedar Akal Takhat, used to hold meetings of the Singh Sahibaans at his residence in Ludhiana, and now is showing reservations in appearing before the Singh Sahibaans at Akal Takhat Secretariat which is located at Sri Akal Takhat Sahib complex

P.S. This interview of Giani Gurbachan Singh is from an hour long TV programme that was conducted on JUS Punjabi to review to the situation after Darshan Singh Ragi failed to appear before the Takhat. Full video with the views of Sikh scholar Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu, Professor and Head, Guru Gobind Singh Department of Relgious Studies, Punjabi University Patiala, is also posted in the below link.