Hari

Dear Rikki Singh,

"Hindu" is malechh bhasha.The word "hindu" refers to a low caste or dog I believe.

Shaitaan-ism* is the fastest growing religion.(Not to be confused with Satanism, where goths dress in black and think they're really spooky )

*Those who follow the path of Shaitan, though they call themselves people of God.They are many, from many religions.

You have to love India, the land of the millions upon millions of andh-vishvasi (blind believers).The land where criminals are politicians and holy men.

http://www.indiayogi.com/content/symbolism/default.asp

Question: Why is the cow "sacred"?

Answer: In the chatrooms and messages boards of the Internet, there are often found bitter disputes between Indians and Pakistanis. This usually deteriorates into vulgar abuse and I have noticed that one of the commonest terms of hitting out at Hindus is that they worship the cow.

This might as well be cleared up now. The Hindu does not worship the cow, has never worshipped the cow, and is not likely to ever worship the cow. To continue to propagate this delusion is only indicative of ignorance and laziness, but the Hindu has nothing to do with it. The cow is not even sacred, in the way it has been misunderstood by Europeans. The cow is literally taboo, a very different animal indeed from the sacred cow of popular delusion. Taboos in sociological terms are both positive and negative; as in taboos that must be respected and deferred to, as well as taboos that deal with what is abhorrent.

The cow is Aghanya - that which may not be slaughtered. It is true that later sects began to call the cow the mother and even wrote some dubious scripture to support this, but it was a rather childish transference of reverence from the mother to the cow because both provide milk! The "milk-debt" was culturally a very strong more, and it was felt that it would not be fair to leave the cow out of its share of respect for contributing to your health. Nevertheless the cow was originally only Aghanya.

This set of circumstances arose for many reasons. :arrow: Strange as it may seem, the Vedic age was a beef-eating one and animals were constantly being slaughtered. The reaction against flesh foods set in with the advent of Jainism and Buddhism and a remarkable cultural revolution took place - in that a predominantly flesh eating country became a predominantly vegetarian one. The many pastoral tribes that inhabited India could not afford to sacrifice their cow wealth for meat. In fact that is the real reason it became Aghanya. The norms of the time dictated that you sacrifice your best animal, usually the stud bull, for the feast when a distinguished visitor came by. As these worthies multiplied in numbers, the quality of the herds began to decline. You could not escape this obligation, as substitution of another animal would be regarded as a deadly insult. To save animals thus marked out, as well as in deference to the new trends, the inviolability of the cow came into being. Those who are distressed by this revelation of beef eating ancestors ought to be more distressed at their ignorance about it. Swami Vivekananda loved to puncture ostentatious piety by declaring that his favorite section of the Vedas was the bit where five brahmanas used to sit down to feast and polish off a cow at one sitting! The literature about this is extensive, and there is no need to be squeamish about it.

The scriptural reason for this obsession with cows and their protection is even stranger. Vedic Sanskrit is not the classical Sanskrit that exists today. It is an older, more difficult form of the language and one of the words for light that is used there is Go. Now Go primarily meant "light" but it also meant "cows". In classical Sanskrit the word means only the bovine friend. Thus, on the basis of a forgotten meaning of a word has Indian culture wrapped itself round the protection of the cow and rendered it a sacred taboo. "Protector of the Go", in the Vedas meant the keeper of the light not a cowherd! And all the admonitions about protecting the Go means something else altogether, and makes a great deal more sense too. However it was too late, and the word came to mean with all its nuances, cow protection and cow- reverence! A change in language renders a single word archaic, but the impact on a society is amazing.

A more environmentally friendly reason has in recent times been proposed for this cow respect. The cow represents the entire animal kingdom and is man’s link to the dumb animals of Creation. In respecting the cow we are showing respect for all living things, a notion that ties in deftly with ahinsa and vegetarianism. This point of view was propagated by Gandhi.

Whatever be the reasons that appeal to you at least it should be clear that there is no such thing as cow worship in the Hindu Faith.

- Rohit Arya

Vaheguroo Ji ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Ji ki fateh

Please take part in the poll. This is not intended for offense but just for my curiousity over a matter.

Basically a discussion has arose as to what names are reasonable in the light of gurmat...

It is my opinion that names like the following:

Jatt , Jatti, Ramghariya or any caste for that matter

sexy or words of that nature

are not really right for singhs/kaurs to be calling themselves...

I feel that by calling themselves caste names they are going against one of the main aspects of sikhi which is there is no caste...

Akali Nihang Jassa Singh Ramgarhia created the Ramgarhia Misl (alliance), which consists of Tarkhan/Mistry, Jatt, Khatri, Lohar.Ramgarhia Misl is not a caste, it is an alliance of castes from different backgrounds.But because Tarkhans are in the majority in the Misl, people think that Ramgarhia Misl is a "Tarkhan caste".

It is a misl.Akali Nihang Jassa Singh Ramgarhia did not do anything against Gurmat, when he created the Ramgarhia Misl.Over and out.

Does anybody know if the head of Soho Rd Nishkam Sevak Jatha (Mohinder Singh) has been interviewed to put his side of the story, regarding the Sone di Seva (gilding of Sri Harimandir Sahib)?

If not, why not?Has he refused interviews?They (the jatha) call him "Babaji).Well, maybe "Babaji" should tell what went on.Anybody here from the jatha?Anybody got Mohinder Singh's email address?

NO I think you missed the point. This is funny, Narsingha's whole website is based on that fact that 'sanatan' sikhi goes back to the time of creation and lalleshvari has just admitted that there is no such thing as 'sanatan' sikhi before the 19th century!

:arrow: Aad Sach Jugaad Sach.Hai Bhi Sach Nanak Hosi Bhi Sach.

Sikhi comes from Akaal Purukh, hence Sikhi is Akaal Purukh.Sikhi is Truth, you should know this.

It is all explained fully and truthfully here:

http://sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness/vie...highlight=chand

Because a (Akali Nihang) Singh is Mahakaal Svaroop (own form of Shivji Maharaj), therefore the Singh has an Aad Chand (half-crescent moon) on his head just like Shivji.

It's all to do with the psychology of Akali Nihang Singh warfare.To become Mahakaal, in order to protect the Sikhi Panth.Mahakaal is also the protector of Tibetan Buddhism.But we Sikh also have Mahakaal to protect us as Akali Nihang Singh Khalsa.

So why Shivji?Well, it should be obvious, warfare is all about death, destruction, pain, blood.All these kinds of things are associated with Shiv and His Shakti.In order to defeat a terrifying enemy, you have to become even more terrifying (bhyaanak) yourself.Hope you understand.

You mourn their death, and move on.That doesn't mean you forget them.

Hari, maybe some contradictions, but atleast they all agree to vegetarianism. No contradiction there.

Aghori's do not agree to vegetarianism or teetotalism, nor abstinence from illicit sex.In fact they have been known to eat human flesh.Wether they still practice that, I cannot confirm.But eating flesh and drinking alocohol and other intoxicants is part of their religious practice.

Singh47, do you not find the destruction of the Baba Atal Rai frescos disgraceful??Was that destruction a manner of honour and izzat?

Everybody can do there bit to preserve our cultural heritage.I have a few Sikh Raj coins, and am always on the look out for more coins when I go India (I'm a bit of a numismatist).If you have spare money floating around, use it to buy coins, books etc. from auctions and jewellers in India, jewellers in India tend to have antique coins etc.Go India if and when you you can, and document what you see, buy what you can.

Just one more thing: Maybe you could do as I do, pray to Mahakaal to destroy this wicked SGPC :evil:

Destroy these sinners the SGPC Mahakaal!!Death, destruction and suffering upon the heads of the SGPC!!

Mahakaaaal!!! :evil:

I think this whole cow protection thing is an allegory.Because the cow is called "mother" - this could be reference to "mother India".Maybe.Something like that.Could be reference to the disrespect of Indian traditions shown by the malechh.

Also on the topic of Sanatan Dharam scriptures.Well, there are many scriptures (and Indian religions) which don't agree with one another.

Some Indian religions advocate absitence from sex, others practice sex (outside marriage) as part of there religion.Some say don't eat meat, others say sacrifice a calf to the Devi and drink the blood.

I think it was the Vaishnavs who made the sacredness of the the cow prevalent across India.They became very popular after Sri Chaitanya.Because Shri Krishan is known as Gopal ("the sustainer of the cows"), Goraksh ("the protector of the cows"), Govind ("the master of the cows")*.So I'm assuming it's the Krishan bhakti movement which popularised the sacredness of the cow.Moooooooo

[*Incidentally these names of Parbrahm/Krishan also appear in Gurbani - Gopal, Gorakh, Gobind]

The cow has been held sacred in India for a millenia because it is known as the mother, because it gives milk (well, highest milk yield of all domesticated animals).I'm sure there must be scriptural writings about the cow.However :arrow: because it is held sacred, it is also the highest anilmal sacrifice too, which has and does happen.

I read somewhere that in the Mahabharat epic there is a story about a king who sacrificed thousands of cows everyday, and have them cooked for brahmin priests.I maybe wrong.But there is scriptural evidence for cow sacrifice, that's a definate.Also, I'm sure some Indian scholar wrote a book about meat eating and ancient India, that our anscestors were not just sacrificing but slaughtering cows to eat.

So I wonder how vegetarianism and cow worship became so prevalent in India?Maybe it was the alcohol drinking meat eating Aryans and Scythians ?I think the Dravidians were peaceful vege's.Meat-sharaab, chak de phatte Aryan te Scythian loko

I'm a vegan, if you didn't already know.But beef was the best meat I ever ate .

I'm a sinner!!I'm going to hell!!

Sikhi = Satguru Nanak = Parbrahm

You cannot define Parbrahm (Sikhi)

Sikhi is Atman Atman Atman....

Sikhi is Brahm Brahm Brahm....

Sikhi Vahiguru, Sikhi Satguru, Sikhi is...is...is...

Ishq Haqiqi, pyar, mohabbat....

I am the fool of Satguru Nanak Nirankar

Shaiv

Buddhi is the bakshish of Satguru Nanak Nirankar, who is Devaan Dev.Satguru Nanak gave the world his Love.A Love which can transform the most ugliest soul into a splenderous god.The ten manifestations of Satguru Nanak, from 1st Sacha Patshah to 10th Sacha Patshah were all Love incarnate.During the times of these Satguru were established 4 orders.

Udasi of Baba Sri Chand Ji.The Satguru did not say anything against the Udasi samparda.Their lineage comes from Baba Sri Chand, with the blessings of Satguru Nanak, to this day.They do updesh of Gurbani, aswell as Vedant et al.

Akali Nihang Singh Khalsa of the Budha Dal.Established by Baba Budha Ji (Akal Saina), stretching all the way back to Satguru Nanak.It is His shatra-vidiya and Brahm-vidiya that Baba Budha Ji passed on.

Nirmala samparda, established by Satguru Akali Nihang Gobind Singh.He sent 5 Sikh to Varanasi to learn Sanskrit and Vedik knowledge.

Sevapanthi, established by Bhai Kanhaiya, with blessings of Satguru Gobind Singh.

These orders within Sikhi come all the way from the time of the Satguru.How can you not accept them?Why do you not give them rightful acknowledgement?

The Akali Nihang Singh Khalsa have jhatka and sukha as maryada.Why do people have a probelem with that?A warrior who will be splashed with the blood of his foes and bretheren, who will kill the enemy of Sikhi, if he can't sacrifice a goat to Guru-Shakti (for warrior sustenance), then how's he going to kill a malechh??When the blood of his enemy will go into his mouth.That was the reality of warfare in that day.Think about the physics of warfare in that time.And cannabis is a good pain supressant.Ask any Multiple Sclerosis sufferer who uses (not abuses) cannabis for their pain.Not all the Nihang Singh Khalsa were Puran Brahmgyani you know.They had fear, felt pain.Just like you.Try sticking a needle through your hand, see if it hurts.Now how do you think a blow from a sword would feel?Numb shock maybe at first, but then excrutiating pain.I am a sacrifice to such Shaheeds, who gave up everything, for the future generations of Sikh.

Why do people have a problem with Nirmala (or any other Sikh, like me) studying Vedik scriptures?All knowledge leads to Self knowledge.

Stop this petty fighting about anti-panthik this and that.And acknowledge the traditional orders of Sikhi.Please?

Hari Om Shanti Shanti Shanti....

This is truly sad.Just what exactly does the teaching of Satguru Nanak mean to these people?All they ever go on about is admin cut this admin cut that.They must have truly sad and meaningless lives.I pity such poor insecure souls.Why do they constantly do nindia of Baba Santa Singh?If they don't like the guy, why don't they go up to him and call him a admin cut to his face?The internet, the abode of the insecure coward.

Have mercy on us dear Satguru Nanak Devaan Dev.

1. The first SIngh Sabha, the Amritsar Singh Sabha or Sanatan SIngh Sabha as you rightly said was founded to counter-act the ffects of Christianity by emphacising traditional Sikhi. The other SIngh Sabhas or Tat Khalsa who did take over the institutions of the Panth imitated Protestantism.

2. Read any of the Tat Khalsa SIng Sabha literature and you will find clear examples of Protestant influence: Bhagat Lakshman Singh calls the Khalsa "the Church Puritan", Guru Nanak Dev Ji is compared to Martin Luther (what a blasphemy!!!), and let us not even mention our friend Macauliffe who became one of the main leaders of the Singh Sabha when he became Sahajdhari Sikh and integrated his Protestant anti-Catholic ideas into Sikhi comparing Puratan Sikhs to Catholics!!! Read the 39 articles of the Church of England and the SGPC maryada and you'll see what I mean!

3. Since that Protestant influence came into place the following splits occured in the Panth:

1. Ragmala issue: initiated by Christian missionaries

2. Gurdware start being built like churches

3. Dasam bani starts being rejected because it conflicts with Protestant and Puritanical ethics and values

4. The traditional orders of SIkh (sampradayas) are repressed (Protestants don't have orders). Instead cults start appearing like mad (cults are a characteristic feature of Protestantism).

5. traditional classical Sikh music is discarded in favour of the church-hymn type of attitude i.e. no need of raaags, everyone can sing and all this other non-sense like rainsabhai etc...

6. Exegesis and logical analysis and religious scholarship is discarded for a Pentecostal and miraculous understanding of bani i.e. no need to study the languages of bani as Maharaj asked us: let's just wait to get the meaning in some vision..

7. representational management system i.e. SGPC!

8. Destruction of religious artitistic heritage! Look at all the white-washed old churches in the UK and compare that with what the SGPC does...

This is true, these ba****d Protestants are no better than extremist "Muslims".They want to eradicate all non-Protestant religions and non-Western cultures.Replace everything with a white Jesus and shirt and tie. :x

We should all do short or long Ardas everyday to Mahakaal Kalka to eradicate all the enemies of Sikhi.Mahakaal is the protector of Sikhi (who also is manifest as Akali Nihang Singh Khalsa).

The Divine always listens to a sincere Sikh's prayer.

Our anscestral mothers were Goddesses I tell you.Some were just as frightening as Kaali Mata!

Okay, thanks Narsingha.A lady would have to be rather mannish to perform jhatka and do rugra me thinks. :wink:

No, you don't have to deal with much physical pressure as your anscestral mothers did.They would have around 10-15 children aswell as doing all the house work.Women today complain if they have to have one child and cook a microwave meal. :roll:

Did your great grandmothers have tattoos sukhi_v?You should ask about your family history.

Teri marzi...

In my family history I have been told by my mother that 3 of my great grand mothers had tattoos.My mothers Daadi and Nani, and my fathers Nani.My mum tells me they had them on their chins, throat, hands and other areas of body.

Now, this is kind of funny, because none of their daughters, my grandmothers and grand-aunties had any tattoos.With the exception of one grand-auntie.Don't you think it's interesting?Were these passing trends in Panjabi cultural history, or a cultural tradition?

I think it's marvellous, that my great grandmothers were so cool.Also, they would wear lots of jewellry, nose rings, many ear rings.My mother says her Nani's ears would be covered in pierced ear rings.

This is real Panjabi culture!I think our sweet ladies of the Satguru Nanak Panth, should adopt the traditional jewellry of their anscestors.

Then, I tell you, they will be like shining stars, and not frumpy shy-girls!!

Out with the frumpyness, in with the tattoos!!Celebrate your femeninety ladies!Honour your anscestral Goddesses.

Thank you for the response Narsingha.I have one more question now.

:arrow: Are women allowed to perform jhatka* and do rugra (make Deg)?

As far as I know, women are not allowed to do jhatka and make Shaheedi Deg.I maybe wrong ofcourse, like with my original query.

Surely women can make Deg, no?Seeing that a Mahakaal Saroop Nihang Singh's wife is his Shakti.And you have story of Parvati making and giving sukha to Shivji.But I don't know about jhatka.

*Assuming that a woman has strength and skill enough to do jhatka ofcourse.