Hari

Do you have that true love Sukh Singh??If not, don't say as you have above.Unless you have experinced that Ishq Haqiqi.Have you experience of that Ishq of Guru Sahib?

What about the Amritdhari who sees his wife as Guru Mata and his wife sees him as Guru Dev?That is Ishq Haqiqi.

See the paintra's.Witness the Kaal paintra done by Nihang Niddar Singh Ji or his students.Sheer beauty.

:twisted: Kaal Paintra :twisted:

Singh47,

You have to give us a technical analysis of why you think Shastar Vidiya is a "hoax".You fobbed me off before by saying "just look at the Shastar vidiya videos" on the website.Not good enough.

Simply saying that Shastar Vidiya is a "hoax" is silly.Present your points to us properly as to why you think it is a hoax.You may also want contact the magazine concerned, and give them a thorough analysis, to prove that Shastar Vidiya is a hoax.Just like Jungee suggested above.

Come on hop to it!!Enough moaning (and groaning :shock: ).

Hari, why are you bringing in Haria Vela walay Nihangs into this, or even Sukha and Shaheedi deg for that matter? Do you feel it is necessary to divert this topic away from the real issue i.e. Shastar Vidya being a Hoax by bad mouthing Haria Vela Walay in order to feel intelligent? What Nihangs do amongst themselves is their business. But the truth shall remain the truth no matter what. The truth of the matter is that “Shastar Vidya†that the pant wearing Balaity Nihangs practice is not what the real Nihangs in India practice whether it is the Sukha drinking ones or normal ones.

I did not bad mouth Harian Vela Nihangs.Get your facts straight "matey".

Regarding Shastar Vidiya, give us conclusive proof that the Shastar Vidiya of Baba Darbara Singh Akhara (as tuaght by Nihang Niddar Singh) is a hoax.Do it now. :twisted:

Thanks for the info Narsingha.

Your counter-arguments against Shastar Vidiya Jhatka Gatka, Singh47 are rubbish.

You think us "NRI's" have never been to India to see the "real" Nihang Singhs.Well I can tell you for a fact, I remember 24 years ago jhatka and shaheedi deg were practiced openly in Harian Vela (Tarna Dal).I have seen for my self.Why has it been stopped there now?Or at least I have heard jhatka and sukha are not openly practiced at Harian Vela anymore.Why???

This is the same Nihang Dal that is presented as the "real" Nihang's by Singh Sabhia types.And Budha Dal as the "bad" Dal.

Jhatka and sukha was practiced at Harian Vela, until quite recently.Were they "bad" Nihangs when they practiced Jhatka Gatka?Now they are good? :roll:

Dhan Satguru Nanak Nirankar

Shastar Vidiya as taught by Nihang Niddar Singh Ji is a legitamate martial art.The Sva Raksha (platha) taught by him is easy to learn and highly practical.I was amazed by the self defence taught by him.

Shastar Vidiya is not a hoax.Whoever says so is an imbecile.

As for Nihang Niddar Singh himself.Much cr*p has been said about him by cowards on the internet.Nihang Niddar Singh is ok by me.Let me tell you something he is not.He is not a pakhandi.I have met many pakhandi in my life, usually the type who wear white bana.He talks about himself openly.No BS.

All those who oppose him and Shastar Vidiya, why the hell don't you just go up to him and say what you have to say?Why are you so chicken?And you are chicken, don't deny it.

I don't care how Nihang Niddar Singh lives his life.He's a happily married man.All those who call him "n-ang" on the internet without ever having met him face to face, will one day be nange (naked and ashamed) themselves.Mark my words.

I wish Nihang Niddar Singh and the Baba Darbara singh Akhara all the best.May the Akhara go from strength to strength.

Jai Jai Mahakaal!!

Jai Jai Chandika!!

Thank you for your answers Shaka.

Hail Shakyamuni!!

Would you say that Mohammad made a mistake in marrying Aisha?

And another question: Do you consider Mohammad a Satguru?

I was feeling really down today.But this site made me feel a bit happy.Well done everyone.There's hope for humanity yet....

I've been this book called Karma and Reincarnation by Hiroshi Motoyama.The blurb on the back describes him as a "scientist, para-psychologist, Shinto priest and healer".The book itslef is an English trnaslation of the Japanese original here is the book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0...4039276-4050068

I wanted to type a few paragraphs in the book relating to human birth and abortion/miscarriage.

The process of being born a human being is actually quite complicated and controlled by many regulations.It is more difficult to be born from the lower astral realms than it is from the higher, for instance.

In the lower astral realms of the spiritual world there are a multitude of beings who want to be born onto this earth.However, it is not possible for all of them to achieve this.There is a specific screening process, a set of conditions which must be met before a being is allowed to re-enter our world.Although maintained and controlled by karma, the screening process itself is a Divine device to protect us here on earth from the more negative elements of existence.The lower astral beings who are rejected by the screening process are left with no choice but to continue their growth in the lower realm, no matter how slowly, inching their way closer to true Awakening.

One type of lower astral spirit I encounter frequently is what I call "foetal spirits" - beings who have been miscarried or aborted into the lower astral realm.Foetal spirits are quite bizarre looking - they are wrinkled all over, have large goggling eyes, and emit a strange glow.Many people who have an aborted child carry with them a deep sense of guilt.In certain cases, however, this sense of guilt is not justified.I have to this conclusion by closely examining foetal spirits themselves.The induviduals who have the karma to become foetal spirits tend to be extraordinarily selfish.They tend to be the type of people who would do anything to promote their own self-interest, even killing to get what they want.In effect, our world is better off if these people are not born into it.I want to be clear that this does not mean that I am necessarily pro-abortion, which I am not, but wish to indicate that the Absolute in its infinite wisdom has laid down intricate guidelines to protect us from the worst elements of existence and that sometimes abortion is used for this purpose.

The guidelines that regulate the process of being born on the earth are more far-reaching than those that regulate induvidual karma.They are the principles that regulate and maintain the delicate balance between tha physical and astral realms, and are karmic principles of both restriction and harmony.Basically these principles act as a limitation on who can be born here.The fact that you are alive proves that you have met the basic requirements.

Again, most of the induviduals who are allowed to leave the lower astral relams are extremely negative.This negativity is caused by undue and extreme self-attachment, what we call "evil" here on earth.Following the principle that thought produces reality, these lower astral beings create a state of being which, as a conglomerate, fits the common notion of hell.Naturally, beings who exist in these places want to get out of them as quickly as possible: they see being born on earth as their escape.Using the power of this overwheling desire, a being can sometimes force its way through the safety net and get itself conceived, but such conception rarely results in birth.Usually the beings are miscarried or are aborted, and are sent back to the lower astral realm where they came from.They may repeat this process a number of times.Occasionally, the desire to be born may be so tremendous that the being manages to slip through the restrictive screening and attain birth.These beings amy be born deformed, as a result of the unnaturalness of their method of entry.

Fortunately, most children are born from the astral into the physical plane as healthy little people.And they come with a full karmic package.

What do you think?

Sharam kar sharam "Singh"132 (Balpreet).You should respect your elders more than that.Calling a respected elder "old darjee".He is not an "old darjee", he is a respected elder.

Ask forgiveness from Satguru Nanak Nirankar Dev.

TO be very frank my bias in Christianity goes to the Orthodox and Oriental Chruches. Catholicism has just lost all repect for itself? Quite sad for such a rich religious tradition!

Fair enough, I assumed wrong I guess.Orthodox and Oriental eh?Interesting....

Do I represent the Catholic Church? NO!

I know that, you've stated that before.However you seem to have a bias preference of them.I should tell you straight, I do not like the Roman Church at all.They are Shaitaan's bride.That is my belief.

my problem is: if the Catholic Chruch has murdered all the Gnostics who are these people then and where do they take their parampara from?

I have an answer, but I am not qualified to type my answer here.I am not a Christian Gnostic.Maybe you would wish to get in contact with a Gnostic, and ask him if you can get hold of him?Here is Timothy Freke's (a modern day Christian Gnostic) website:

http://www.timfreke.demon.co.uk/index.html

You can email him.Get in touch with him, ask him what he and Gnostics are about, what is their parampara etc.He does talks too:

http://www.timfreke.demon.co.uk/seminars.html

http://www.jesusmysteries.demon.co.uk/j&g/j&ghome.html

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Hey Shakya Nyorai!!

Why have the Christian Gnostics always called the Roman Church (along with all other Literalist"Christian" heresies) the Church of the anti-Christ??

Why did the Roman Church do it's best to sytematically delete Gnostic Christianity, which I see as the true teachings of Christ Jesus?

Why did the Roman Church torture and murder Gnostics, accusing them of heresy, when in fact it was the Roman Church who were and still are the arch-heretics?

:arrow: http://www.jesusmysteries.demon.co.uk

I could on and on about the Literalist heresy of the Roman Church and it's ba****d children.

Grrrrooowwwwlll!!!!!!!

Akaaaaaaaaaaal!!!!!

The primary meaning of Kaam is desire not excusively sexual lust.You are up against Gods, you can't win, unless....you understand.

Sikhi has diversity.Nothing wrong in that.Aslong as there is tolerance and understanding, everything is fine.There is nothing wrong in having a difference in opinion.This is a discussion site, we are all here to learn.

By the way, what you typed in your original post is neither bitter nor the truth.You have expressed your opinion, according to your own beliefs.Beliefs aren't the be all and end all of Sikhi.In fact beliefs can hinder progress, especially in the next world (stop over station).

Oooh dear me....

Akaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal!!!!!!!!!

Shalom!Nice to see a Jewish brother join this site.Welcome brother!!

Whatever floats your boat.

Whether it's Panjabi or English it does not matter: mots of Dasam Guru Granth Sahib is in Braj anyway!!!

Learning Braj Bhasha is good.But first, a person should sort out there Panjabi.Then he/she may move onto Braj, Sanskrit, Farsi etc.One step at a time.

Yes you are right HDW, you need to have love for Gurbani.

"Gavi-ai suni-ai man rakhi-ai bhaa-o" - Jap Ji Sahib

Because Gurbani is Satguru, and Satguru is your Saviour.How can you not have love for your saviour?Isn't it beadbi of Satguru to mechanically recite Gurbani, without love and interest?Your Satguru is talking to you, and you are not listening.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

they made mistakes in that link u gave mugermach.

the first word says "kaagardan", theres no gaga, it should be "kaagardang"

same with taagardang and other words in the sabad.

Yes you are right.I've said this before, but it's a shame that the Gobind Sadan Dasam Guru Granth rendition is full of Gurbani spelling/printing mistakes.

I recommend the 8 volume Steek of Dasam Granth by Pandit Gyani Narain Singh Ji.Get it now, it's good.

Reading Gurbani is about gaining (atmik) knowledge, not about meaningless repitition.

The point of doing paath is to gain gyaan.And Gurbani has quite a few layers of gyaan.There is the outer meaning and inner meanings.

For instance I found that that the "Eka Mai Jugat via-i..." pauri in Jap Ji Sahib has 3 meanings to me.There is the outer, and inner and another meaning within the inner, which is hard for me to explain at the moment.

Understanding Gurbani is a very personal matter to me.That is why I don't often try to explain my understanding of Gurbani.Not any more anyway.Thoree aqal aa gaee mainoo

Some people have very deep sambandh from previous existences.They may meet one day, and !*bang*! it's there.

Ishq Haqiqi

It is Sangeet Bhujang Paryat Chhand from Chandi Charitra.