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waheguru!

it's true

you're right, there should be! i pointed that out earlier

fact is that there are jathas. i just don't get why some people put other jathas down.

AKJ doesn't read raag mala...that's their decision as a jatha, and that's cool.. but the thing is that i don't get why people have to say bad things about dodra sangat... it is sangat, after all.... it's not like our leader is corrupt, like Grewal is...this is because we have no "leader", other than our guru, or our satguru..

again....fact is that there shouldn't be these sects....but there is.

i'm just saying that for a long time, dodra has had a bad name among the panth....i just wanna know why... i wanna know what people know that i haven't heard... which is why i keep on asking for people to ask questions, so that eventually, we can all be one... so that there can be all these jathas, but that at least everyone is educated! cuz right now, our jathas are thriving, but sikhi as a whole is in turmoil.. there will always be jathas....that's just how it is..that's human nature and it happens within every religion. but if we learn from each other, and accept everyone, we can at least live like one, even if we have slightly different methods for achieving the same goal.

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

bhul chuk maaf karni, if i have said something wrong, or if i have confused someone

i know for a fact that he used to go to dodra...like in dodra itself, and would seem to be enjoying it...but then he was told to choose, and so he never came again

that could be a reason as to why he distances himself.

same thing happened to Dulla Veerji in toronto...he attended weekly sangat in toronto for a few weeks, and then was asked not to go, so he stopped.

my question is why be asked to stop, or why be told to choose. what is "wrong" with dodra sangat?

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Sorry, i haven't logged in since yesterday, hence the late reply

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anyways, if u can give us the facts (ie wat the dodra sangat does differently) then that would help.

PLZ TELL US WAT THEY DO DIFFERENTLY.

Veerji, Dodra Sangat doesn't do that much different... this is what puzzles me...

Like i said, we do simran in the dark. At samagams, our program starts at 5 in the morning with Naam Simran till 6 am

from 6 to 7 am, there's nitnem di paath

from 7 - 930, it's asa di vaar

from 9:30 to 12, akhand kirtan and bhog

then Guru Ka Langar and break till 3:30

3:30 till 4:30, there's naam simran

4:30 - 5:00 Gurbani Vichaar (what i explained before)

5-6, Rehraas Sahib

6-9 (9:30 sometimes) Akhand Kirtan and Bhog

And then repeat this.. for example, if the samagam starts on a friday, they'll start the program at 5 PM with simran, rehraas, gurbani vichaar and kirtan

and then we do the morning program on the last day of the samagam, and the samagam ends at noon.

Before each shabad, we start with about a couple of minutes of singing Dhan Guru Nanak on the vaajja, followed by a couple minutes of simran, and then go into the shabad.

The samagams happen all over North America, UK/Germany and in India.

The format is the same.

Sat Sri Akal:

Me must ask stupid question:

What are this "Dodra Sangat"?

in response to this question, not stupid at all, by the way...

dodra sangat is a jatha founded in punjab alsmot 100 years ago by Jaswant Singh. He was part of the AKJ at one time, but as he started to dis like the way things were going in the AKJ, and the more political stance they were beginning to take, he broke off, and adopted the Rehit as given by Shri Akal Takht. He spent 2 or 3 years in solitary, doing simran and kirtan on his own, and slowly started sangat in Dodra, a village in Punjab. Very simple sangat, people came, stayed, got langar, did kirtan, did simran, and that was it. As Dodra Sangat gained popularity, Bauji (Jaswant Singh) began to write books about spirituality and sangat and simran. So he wrote about 150 pamphlet sized (15 - 20 pages) lekhs on these topics.

Back to the history... Around the late 1970's, a Singh from Elkford BC went to India and found Bauji. He enjoyed the style of sangat and asked for Bauji to come to Canada. He did, and Dodra sangat was started in Elkford in 1980. Anyways, because Dodra Sangat places no restrictions on anybody, it has grown to be the biggest Sangat in the world. Sahejdharis, Keshdharis and Amritdharis all do Kirtan, however only amritdharis do ardaas di seva, hukamnaama di seva, and things like that.

if there's any questions pertaining to this, or if theres any misconceptions that people have heard, please please feel free to ask questions

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh!!!

Ok so this is what is being said...Khalsa is the Truth.....I love that, i really do

Now think about the Muslims.....and how Islam is the truth to them.... all of a sudden....which one is which?

No, this doesn't open the door to start hating on muslims....

Every Relgion speaks that they are the truth...so i guess that means that when truth prevails....we'll all prevail...

There should be respect, tolerance of other relgions...it's the basis of Sikhi, love, respect, tolerance.

It almost sounds like some people in this post wanna convert everyone to sikhi, cuz

the unbelievers will be dstroyed, i think it just means every1 will realise khalsa is true

yes..Khalsa is true, but where'd we get the authority to say that no other religion is? is anyone seeing this circle that i am?

We say we're true. We insult others for not being true, and all of a sudden we're not true, but we sure wanna be!

Bhul Chuk Maaf Karni Ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!!

Well, I know that Veer Harpreet Singh has openly said to many people i know that he thinks dodra sangat is a cult.... this bothers me, because it seems to me that he's never been to a samagam.

i hate when i hear things like this, especially since we follow the rehit almost to a T. i mean..i don't understand it. AKJ say that they follow a stricter rehit, but if the rehit was not meant to be *stricter* in the first place, then why change it at all.....it seems like they're excluding sikhi to those that are following the official rehit for the panth.

Gianni Nahar Singh has openly said controversial things about Dodra sangat, also along the lines of it being a cult, and that we don't know what we're doing.

then there's others, like Doola Veerji and Bhai Jeevan Singh who actually have attended dodra samagams in Canada and in India, and they enjoy it, but are told that they can either come to dodra samagams, or be in the AKJ, and not both.

In General, for example, in that big mess on the AKJ Message Board last year or so, there was a huge huge discussion about Dodra Sangat, which actually ended up being a huge thread of insults against dodra sangat, with very few people supporting Dodra. But the amount of insults and personal attacks led the administrators to shut down the message board for a few weeks, because emotions were too high.

Could someone please explain to me what's so wrong about doing simran in the dark? this seemed to be one of the issues in that thread. Personally, the darkness helps you concentrate, as it's not as easy to start looking around at things that catch your attention.

Another thing is that there was things said against reading Gurbani Vichar lekhs which are written by Bauji (Jaswant Singh Ji, founded Dodra Sangat), about gurbani, spirituality and just generally about life and how to handle things as they come about. There was alot of heat about this, but what's the difference if we read something of Bauji's about gurbani during a samagam, or if we read something of Bhai Vir Singh Ji during a samagam. If Bhai Randheer Singh can be classified as great, how come Bauji can't be classified as great in the same breath?

These are things that have bothered me..there's alot more, but i'm only saying these....for now.

Still looking for some responses

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

P.S --Question for 'singh khalistan da' where do you live???

Why not treat the guru as if he was living today?

Most of us, i assume, have a special made bed, higher than every other bed in the hosue, for the Guru.

If Guruji got cold, should we not give him a blanket?

if Guruji got hot, should there not be someone or something fanning him (putting a fan in babaji's room)

however, the other view is that of Mohinder Singh SDO....

one of his arguments for his stand against sikhi when he first broke off was that he was appaled at the number of people who do this kind of thing, in particular, putting a langar plate in front of Guruji. so he said "Why not give him a toilet?!"

Alot of it depends on your view...your choices... in my house, my mom and dad made sure they bought a bed that was small enough in widht, but tall enough in height, so that guruji was always higher than any of us all day. We also put a blanket on Guruji during the winter, just as we keep a fan in Babaji's room during the summers. We don't go to the extreme of leaving a lemonade with a straw coming out pointing to the palki :wink: hehe

but for real... personally...i think that there's a certain extent that we can and should do to make it seem as if Guruji is actually living, not only in spirit, but as he once did. I'm sorry if i did not answer the question, but i wanted to contribute to this post

VAHEGURU JI KA KHAALSA!!!

VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH!!!

Well....my intention was more to see what other people would say, just by hearing Dodra

again, i didn't intend to single out the AKJ, but i only use them because they are most vocal about their dislike of dodra sangat. and again, i mean certain singhs/singhnees who are akj, not generalizing.

veerji, i have to disagree that the youth here may be too young. At school, in UK, Toronto, Vancouver, chances are that they go to school with other sikh students, from a vairety of jathas, so they eventually learn from each other, they bget curious...ask their elders. I myself am 16, and i can guarantee i've learned nowhere near enough. but as youth, we should discuss this kind of thing, cuz we are the future of sikhi... shouldn't we learn as youth from youth, instead of learning from elders who maybe have not even experienced other sangat, or have a closed-minded view?

What i mean is that.... well, basically, if you have heard any misconceptions about dodra sangat, please post them. and better yet, if you have heard good things about dodra sangat, please post them as well. this is a selfish post, i agree. i say this becayse i am limiting on focusing the positives/negatives on dodra sangat, but i think it's important that all misconceptions and stereotypes, generalizations be cleared up.

like i said... we are the future... fact is that AKJ, Dodra, Taksaal, Nihangs...we may all be thriving as units, but Sikhi as a whole is in turmoil because of politics. We, as the future, should strive to, if not eliminate the jathas, at least co-exist.

Please feel free to ask and post away. It's obvious i'm not the only one who can give an informed response to this post, so please sangato, let's discuss this. this is very important, as the way we think as youth could very well shape the way sikhi is "managed" in the future.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!!!!!!

Please though...keep in mind that Khalsa may not necessarily mean a sikh in bana 24/7, who's hardcore and the such...

Literal translation of khalsa is pure, is it not?

either way, khalsa as we generally percieve it , or khalsa as those who are pure, no matter of caste, religion, ethnicity etc... either one who rules the world is an improvement to our corrupt-filled world

gurfateh!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!!

hello everyone...my first post here.

I have a question that no one seems to be able to answer without resorting to insults. I'm hoping that since this is largely a youth site, we can actually have a reasonable conversation about this, and settle some misconceptions.

Now, you may be wondering about the title of this topic.

I'm referring to the lost jathas out there in Sikhi.

yes yes, i know, there shouldn't be any sects, and yes, it's true...fact remains, there is.

The AKJ has done a marvellous job in spreading sikhi, however countless times, if you view their message board, some Singhs and Singhnees have "accidentally" called it spreading AKJ. i'm not hating on them...the keertan is great, the atmosphere can be wonderful at times, i just don't always agree on their political side, which every jatha has, whether you open your eyes to it or not.

My question is this.

Everyone knows about AKJ, Taksaali, Nihangs and all... But having been brought up in a family that goes to dodra sangat, and having attended samagams for 14 years, and learning to love it immensely, everytime I try to bring it up, to fiond out what exactly it is that Singhs/Singhnees in other jathas (specifically many members of the AKJ, who tend to be very vocal about it) have against Dodra Sangat. I know there are youth in this forum who are of these other jathas, which only helps the question. I know that the youth will have their heads on straight and come up with answers and perhaps even questions for me to solve some misconceptions, instead of just insulting me. so to sum it up.... What's "Wrong" with Dodra?!?!?!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!!