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see my previous post about Bhai Kanhaiyya - sakhis recording Guru ji taking the talwaar off him

sorry what is the source of these sakhis??

its all about controlling the mind

man asaadhh saadhhai jan koe

The mind is uncontrollable; how rare are those who subdue it.

panch chaelae mil bheae eikathraa eaekas kai vas keeeae

I have brought the five disciples together, and they are now under the control of the one mind.

breham giaanee lae dhhaavath bandhhaa

The God-conscious being holds his wandering mind under control.

dhhaavath raakhai thaak rehaaeae

He restrains his wandering mind, and keeps it under control.

nadharee eihu man vas aavai nadharee man niramal hoe

By His grace, this mind is controlled, and by His Grace, it becomes pure.

man vasagath aaeiaa param padh paaeiaa saa dhhan kanth piaaree

The bride obtains the supreme status, as her mind is brought under control; she is the beloved of her Husband Lord

thaakahu manooaa raakhahu thaae

Control your mind, and keep it in its place.

sathigur saevae man vas aavai man maarae manehi samaaeidhaa

Serving the True Guru, one brings his mind under control; conquering his mind, he merges in the Mind of God.

maarafath man maarahu abadhaalaa milahu hakeekath jith fir n maraa

Let control of the mind be your spiritual wisdom, O holy man; meeting with God, you shall never die again.

to be a sikh of Guru Nanak dev ji you must take amrit

and hence keep hair

all ten saroops are the same

and the 10th saroop gave hukam to all his followers to take amrit and enrol in the khalsa panth

sikh=khalsa

we have heard that th10th saroop started other sampardas nirmale, udasi etc

did he actually start these??

didn't he just say that these will flourish?

saying that doesnt mean they are right or wrong, or that we as sikhs can follow them

if we want to class ourselves as sikh of Guru Nanak dev ji we must follow all commands

lol ive sed that about three times now

Are you now suggesting that when Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh Ji 'asked' people to take Amrit at Anandpur Sahib that EVERYONE took Amrit? (ie, because according to you it was 'necessary'). By your analogy, those who did not take Amrit (eg, Bhai Kanhaiya, Sewa Das, Banda Bahadur, etc.) found the tenth Guru's wishes to be 'less relevant'.

According to Gurbani Paath Darshan by Sant Gyani Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa Pindranvale.....80 THOUSAND people took amrit that day....oh and also can u prove that Bhai Kanhaiya, Sewa Das, Banda Bahadur did not take amrit??

I mean its like if i take amrit, its not like someones going to make a record of it lol....dnt take this the wrong way, in no way am i tryin to make a comparison between myself and Bhai Kanhaiya .... but what about all the other singhs that did seva, or fought in battles and were shaheed...surely they shud be name aswell

i hope no onet takes the literal meaning of that....im sure there is a deeper meaning of doing Parkarma than the act of walking in a circle.

well someone sed to me once that during lavan, the point of the parkarma (which is also done clockwise) is to symbolise that you are going to follow gurujis path, hence going around and then to do matha tek to say that gurujis hukam is parvaan...

btw its Mitran kai pran ho!

but tha's just my uninformed opinion.

HAHAHA

nishan sikhi eee punj harf kaaf

hargiz na bashid eee punj muaaf

bhai nand laal jus sez that a sikhs image contains 5 kaaf (persian for Ks)

kara kardo kach kunga bidha

bina kes hech asth jumla nisha

now u have the gurbani, u make a decision....believe wot u want or history?? or believ what guruji tells you??

Mahan Kosh also says that Amrit Sanskaar is in the sikh dharam...doesnt mention khalsa dharam....

actually, naps during the day aren't considered good for your general overall sleeping habits. simply because it reduces your quality of sleep at night, which is far more important than your nap. so really speaking, if we're talking about sleeping little, you're better off doing 6 hours a night rather than 3 hours at night and 3 hours in the afternoon.

or like u do, 3 hrs every 2 days lol :shock:

yeah ive got a few stacks of them lol, my dad picked them up from somewhere, dunno where tho lol

i agree with double edge, everything in moderation..little sleep means not oversleeping...little eat means dont eat until ur soo full u feel like u cnt move...

depends if on what sikh means to u....if it means u dnt have to take amrit, then u can do what u want...al i kno is that someone who learns, only learns if they listen to what their teacher is telling them.... wen say that talkin about amrit is goin off the topic, i disagree...

you must decide what being a sikh means to u...for some it means amrit is required, for others it doesnt...

personally i feel that there is no sikh without amrit....

bhai gurdaas ji talks about charan da amrit in the times before guru gobind singh ji...

like i sed, if u feel that amrit isnt necessary, then keeping ur hair is ur own choice..

everyone keeps on defining sikh in their own words....why dnt u see what guruji has to say about what a sikh comprises of and then make ur conclusion based on that, at the moment all i can see is opinionated arguments....why dnt u go to the source

OI dnt u dare talk to me now!!!! :cry:

narsingha u use history as backing....no problem with that except that history can be altered.....if you can show any proof from any of the granths that clearly defines sikh and khalsa and shows them with differences in what defines them....that would be handy....bt the way i see it, there were 10 nanaks, all as valid as each other and

like i sed, without guru, there is no sikh....

and when u ask if Guru Gobind Singh ji forced any1, ofcourse the answer is no,forcing never achieved anything, and that is what guruji stopped, mass forced conversions.....guruji left it up to the ppl and their karams to whether they were gna be sikhs, otherwise the forced conversions that muslims were instigating wouldnt really matter, because the path of islam leads to the same end point.....

A question arises from your question, that if amrit is not necessary, then why create it??Would Guruji do something that wasnt necessary??

Another point is that If other religions are all the same and lead to the same path, then the concept of amrit is not needed...if the gurus came to spread Dharam and not Sikhism as a religion, then why was amrit created, something that distinguishes us from every other path.....

Guru Gobind Singh ji and Guru Nanak Dev Ji are the one and the same....to say that amrit is not required to be a sikh, is to say that Guru Gobind Singh Ji is less relevant than Guru Nanak Dev Ji.... ..

Sorry if i have offended anyone....and for my mistakes

nah its all about Aqua Fresh

i like DS9 bare battles!!!! mad destruction Woooooooooooo LOL

http://www.kli.org/tlh/phrases.html

nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e' - Where is the bathroom!! AHAHAHAHA!.

Hab SoSlI' Quch! - Your mother has a smooth forehead!!! AHAHAHA!!

TOOOO funny

a sikh must have a guru rite....so how if ur not following ur gurus teachings, how is it that u can still be a sikh??

When you kno ur guru has put importance on keeping hair, and u disregard it by cutting your hair, its like telling your guru to get lost, and that you kno better than they do....

im sorry if im being harsh, bt reality has a habit of being a little bit like that....

Like khalsa fauj mentioned, cutting hair is a kurehit...meaning you have cut urself away from your guru.

I think in this time and age to be a Sikh is far easier than it used to be, because ppls definition of Sikh has changed....instead we shud be using Gurujis definitions....I personally am not a Sikh....because i kno i dnt follow everything that Guruji says, bt i am trying...trying doesnt mean that you accept what has been said and carryon like normal, it means that you see ur own faults and correct them.

if all the gurus were nanak, then surely they are all the same, and what has been said by all is equally important....

Also i donot see the difference between Khalsa and Sikh...because in order to be Khalsa, u have to be a Sikh and in order to be a Sikh you have to be Khalsa....if u get what im getting at...Amrit makes you Khalsa....bt Amrit is a requirment of a Sikh....the giving of your head (homai) to ur Guru, so i see Khalsa and Sikh to be the one and the same....

When you say that its more about how ppl see you, rather than how u feel inside....i think thats a bit of a contradiction as, depending on how ppl see u, it affects how you feel....

If you are discarded and disliked, then you feel weak inside and hurt....bt if you are respected then , there is a self confidence inside....

People generally feel certain emotions due to the ppl they are around......

If you feel the need to change urself to an extent that you go against the gurus teaching....then u seriously need to look deep inside yourself and see what it is you are lacking, and also think about the ppl you hang around with....if they treat u better because of what u have done, then i wud not call them friends....

and if u say u cnt find decent sangat, if u start doing what guruji sez, then the sangat comes to u on its own....

Sikhism is about living...its practical, the theory needs to be physically committed in order for it to work....

oh i just want to mention this isnt aimed to attack you or make u feel lower...if it does...then you should do something to change it....everything said is for myself aswell...

Sorry if ive made any mistakes

Ppl can talk and talk and think and think and keep on thinkin about sikhi and spirituality, bt spirituality doesnt come from thought...it comes from practice...

LOL@BORG didnt kno there were so many star trek fans out there lol....klingons are kewl...QUAPLA!!!!

i kept picturing star trek when you were commenting on drones. lol... "resistance is futile!" :shock:

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

"We are the borg! You will be assimilated, your biological and technological distingtiveness will be added to our own, your culture will adapt to service us, resistance is futile!"

- - - a Trekkie!!!!

First I have a question to those that feel Guru Gobind Singh actually cut the heads off the Panj Pyarae, um how did he reattach them? I was always under the impression that the Gurus were enlightened beings, not demi-gods....

If we were sposed to kno wot happened, guru gobind singh ji would not have done it behind a curtain...somethings are we are just not meant to understand or know

e honda???? isn't that from that game called Street Fighter???

and if not...which i feel stupid now....what is e honda???

100 hand slap:P

well maybe if and wen u come over, then we can explain it to u

i dnt think kaam is not just about sex.....i think its about any desire that makes u go crazy...whether it be lobh, moh...that can still be kaam...if that desire makes you crazy...

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