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Fateh ji,

I agree with what you saying SB ji, but I think there is alot of influence of the sangat that one hangs out with. So who is to blame there? I just think that she didnt get a chance to realise that she was on the wrong. I just hope that this dont happen again :cry: .

fateh ji

fateh ji,

I agree with you Steel Bangle ji to the point where what she did was wrong, but what the father did was totaly wrong. There could be a possibility that the parents are also to be blamed for a her actions to a certain extent. I dont know her family or her, so cant point out the finger that who is wrong and who is not, but what the dad did was not right. Is this izzat greater than the life of your own flesh and blood?

Fateh ji

Fateh ji,

Everyone makes mistakes in their life and no one is perfect, at the end of the day all that matters now is that you are 100% with guru ji .

:hearme: May this be a lesson to all, as they say " Even fools can learn from their own mistakes, but wise people learn from others mistakes!". All we have to decide is whether we want to be fools or want to be wise :?:

Fateh ji.

Fateh Ji,

The way I have always pronounced it is without the N's. I have heard Giani Amolak singh ji doing anand sahib ji and they dont say any N's, so I just take that as the correct way to pronounce it.

Fateh ji.

Erm, dont know about reading, I was watching the movie ( no subtitles) :stupid:

I dont think there is such a rememdy because its all about selfcontrol. I take it here that you are referring getting distracted while doing path? if that is what you were asking, as they say, practice makes perfect. So just do more path and seva.

fateh ji

Fateh ji,

I got about two pages of Akal ustat translation....I know its not alot but its a start

fateh ji

Fateh ji

I have tried to read all the posts and found them really interesting. As usual, a very informative post Nogroup singh, learnt alot from there. I know its abit late and the discussion has progressed alot further, but I really want to share my views on this post that penji made.

I think we have to be more excepting of the sikhs that we have today... whether they be keshdharis or non-keshdhari... because to solve a problem one must get to the root of it...

To me the problem is that I see the amritdharis as being very unaccepting of others... everything must be one way... therefore ppl like myself are not appealed by that lifestyle where one must give up living life.

I Used to think the same way about amritdharis as being very unaccepting of others, very strict and used to think one can only become amritdhari if they wanted to become a " Giani"...etc. But then when I started to talk to gurmukhs, found that they are more accepting then anyone I every knew. This lifestyle is not where one gives up living life but on the contrary, start to live life.

I feel that to me living the life I have right now is a lot better then what i've seen as amritdhari... because i believe that I have striked a balance between the material life and the spiritual (by no means am I perfect, there are areas where I need to work on, but believe me I'm much much different from what I was three yrs back....)...

All I can say here is that I was in the same boat as you, but one cannot really know the taste of the pudding even however much the next person describes it until tasting it yourself. You have seen amritdharis and made judgement on that, but there is alot more to what meets the eye.

But I thank God for the life that he has given me and hope that I become a good enuff person that he'll accept me when my time comes... but I have fun too... I go to wedding parties, dinner parties... I walk through this world and live it... rather than turn my head away from it and think that that's not what my Guru ji's would me to be doing... because that's part of living a Ghrasti life... to be interacting and socializing...

Penji, the question is not about whether guru ji will accept us, they are there with open arms just waiting for the time when we want to accept them to be our guru. Life without guru ji is life without any purpose. Just click the link below, read and understand the whole shabad.

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=3234

Amritdharis do have fun! What is fun? Fun is what one enjoys to do. Everyone here has a different understanding to what fun is. To some, fun is going out to pubs and clubs drinking and getting drunk, to others it might be to go out to cinemas, eating out and spending time with friends, to some might be to play sports, and to some fun is going to rehansbais, doing kirtan, going to the gurdwara to do sewa with friends.....etc. Everyone in their own right is enjoying themselves even though it is not seen by the other person.

Talking about socialising, in the western culture, socialising means going to bars and clubs to have alcohol while interacting with others, If one doesnt want to do that, does that make him/her unsociable? I think not.

It is really good that you have a balance in life and coming into sikhi.....keep it up. I think I have gone away from the topic and I do apologise for that.

Do ask questions like this and feel free to express yourself, I dont think anyone is here to judge anyone, but just to share views and opinions and to learn from each other.

I hope I havent offended you or anyone here in anyway as that was not my intention.

Fateh ji

I usually ask the same question but always get told its a fashion thingy.

We Tie the hair on our head with a rubber band and use oil.

I tie my darhi with a rubber band and some Gel.

Wats the difference?

So the difference is that on one you are going to tie a turban, I think it would be odd if someone tied a mini turban round their beard ......sorry bad joke. I dont think there are any restrictions on tying the beard. You might have to tie your beard if you are in certain proffessions and there is nothing wrong with it. It a personal thing but I might be wrong. I dont think by tying ones beard would make them less religious. These days it has become a fashion thing.

I just have to end by saying, there is nothing like a singh with open darhaa(dhari).

Fateh ji

Fateh Ji!

How did you possibly think that our guru's are just human beings. :?: Guru Nanak dev ji was one with god, so was god ( so were all guru's as they were all one joth!) and here you are saying that he was just a simple human beings. I suggest that you read the sakhi of how bhai lehna ji became guru Angad dev ji.

If I came across rude, please forgive me. If you cant find the sakhi....I will post it later on. Read bhai Gurdaas ji diya vara, they have done alot of 'ustat' of guru Nanak dev ji, how every where there are praises of Guru Nanak Dev ji.

I know I havent posted any links here but dont have the time now, will do it later on when I get back.

Fateh ji.

I dont think there is anything wrong with wearing a patka, as long as you are taking part in sports. I wear a patka when doing manual work such as painting etc, dont want to get my pagh dirty, so dont think there is anything wrong with that. Other than that.....always wear my pugh!

Sikhi is about being practical.

Fateh ji

become a labourer at an uncles company....

Fateh Ji

Well wat abt elders,... i mean is it wrong if we touch the feet of our elders as a way of respect, i seen some people doin that, like if a girl gets married does she need to touch the feet of her inlaws as way of respect???? i always thought abt that,...is it wrong, right or proper for her to do that????????????????????

I dont think there is anything wrong with that at all. It is really great if you do, respect. And for anyone who disagrees, touching the feet of elders or of mahapursh is totally different from when you bow down infront of guru ji.

Who thinks it is wrong to matha tekh your parents and why?

Fateh Ji

Ohhhhhhh Singh! that is an excellent post!

Fateh Ji

It is guru ram das ji who tell us about amritvela and the time it is. This is where they are describing who a true gursikh is. If anyone knows that shabad, please post it here or if not I will find it and post it.

Fateh Ji

so i dont get it ! why isnt he going for the sggs?

I dont understand what you are trying to ask here. He is going for SGGS ji because he was reborn as a sikh in india by the name I cannot recall now , but he mensioned the name. I hope that answers your question.

Where ever there are sikhs, it is a sikh area

Fateh Ji,

Singh Ji, I will be your bro as well.....me was a hermit . And bro, amridharis are not above everyone else. When one takes amrit, we join a school of the Khalsa and start from the lowest class. I think it is a misconception that some ppl have that amridharis are above everyone else and everyone else inferior.

Anyways bro....keep it up and hopefully can see guru ji in you one day

How is it a business? Ofcourse they have selfcontained rooms, because almost everyone who is going to mombasa stops there for the night and does darshan of gur maharaj. There is no fixed rate there, just like any gurdwara, there is a treasury where one can make donations. These donations are there for the up keep of the gurdwara. It was like that five years ago when I left the country. Other gurdwara's have self contained rooms, would you call them businesses as well? The rooms are there for the sangat to stay.

Once again I may seem harsh in the way I put my point across, so please forgive me for that.

Fateh Ji.

I just feel so bad of hearing all these things said about that gurdwara, and I dont say this because of the story. It sure is a remote area, but that dont mean that they would make up that scam. Yes, I think they pay ppl to work at the gurdwara, but do you know why they give the ppl a job?

Have you got any idea of the way the ppl live in that area? I think not because we all have our nice homes with central heating to go, have the luxuries of tv and sound systems......etc. The ppl there in Kenya are really poor and in a remote place like Makindu, even worse. The nearest place to get a job is in Nairobi which is 2 hours drive. So the gurdwara helps these ppl.

You meansioned that it was a 5 star hotel. That is a very serious comment to make when you havent really been there. I dont think that any 5 star hotel offers langar, because I think they would be too busy trying to make money. Anyone and everyone is welcome to the gurdwara and can have langar.

I am sorry that if I sounded abit harsh there. Please forgive me for that.

WJKK WJKF!

Steel paaji......you serious?? :shock: you dont want to get married? :? What makes you think that you cant do waheguru di seva by getting married? If that is your choice then, best of luck! 8)

Veer ji, stick to the path and hopefully become one of the Khalsa. Amrit has alot of power, I can assure you that once you take amrit....soon your family will follow as well . Dont worry, guru ji is with you all the way!

Have u heard of the Mool mantra sung by Simran Kaur and Kirtan Singh,

http://www.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/music.nsf/e...1f!OpenDocument

------> This is Lovely, but just hope that I dont get too into the beats that I forget the messege itself, Mool mantra. :roll:

Shanti shanti!! Take it easy ppl and calm down. Breath in and breath out!

There is no discrimination of the sexes, men and women have equal rights to do any seva. I dont think that there would be a problem if a woman did the seva of being one of the punj piare. It is all about a person's Jeevan.

Talking about punj piare, how are they chosen? :?:

Fateh Ji

It is clear that Sikhism is the best religion, it is the ONLY religion compatible with science! All other religions are basiclally inadequate, but the worst is Islam, followed by Christianity

Dear MI, It may be true what you wrote but as a sikh, we are not allowed to condemn any other religion or say that we are the best. I believe that we are all gods children and god within everyone, be it from which ever background or faith. One does not choose where he is gonna be born, so there can be a muslim who is a true muslim and by truely following the ways of Allah, can attain salvation. Same applies if one is a christian, hindu , or any other faith. As Guru Nanak Dev ji said " if you are muslim be a good muslim, if you are a hindu be a good hindu, or anyother ".

It is great that you chose sikhi and hope to become a singh one day, all the best Veer ji :wink: .

I am sorry if I said anything wrong or anything that might offend you.

Fateh Ji