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You talk SikhUnit language, lol ^ But agreed

Nice reply but I want answer from an historic point of view. Prem Sumarg does mention getting khande di pahul if Im not mistaken, but sadly we havent been able to ascertain the year it was written it, estimates vary from 1701 AD to 1800 AD. Yes, that 5 Kakkaar sahabd is in Persian and not written by Guru Ji, but by Bhai Nand Lal (apparently)

Amardeep, could you summarise that? I plan to make a table with year book and then words such as 5 pyare, date, Banis, so we can have a comparative study of all literature about the Khalsa What do you say? Help me?

Interesting. Don't you think that people would have written about this in the first years of the ceremony? I mean like on the actual day or just after. (The Mughal spy one has been proven wrong, if I'm not mistaken)

Add kosher to it, add meat/food offered to Devi (such as Teetla Devi parsad). It is a broader concept than just 'halal'. I don't know, they quote the Akal Takth rehat for Dasam Granth for example or anything else, but when it comes to meat they make up their own shit (like some 'Sikh' forums on the net)

Such as?

An article by Gurtej Singh (IAS)

Aa chakk Dallie The earliest time to which the existence of a fully developed Sikh war code is traceable is the time of Guru Gobind Singh. Bhai Santokh Singh, who did a considerable amount of research to write his popularly known Suraj Prakash, is certain that there existed a written code of conduct for the Sikhs participating in war. He refers to it as gurshastra. He specifically refers to one of its provisions, namely, that women were not to be molested under any circumstances. In this context, and as a measure particularly relevant to wartime situation, members of the Order of the Khalsa were forbidden to have intercourse with Muslim women as Muslims were the main enemies they were fighting at that time and their women were most likely to fall into the hands of the Khalsa. A conversation on the question of the ban is reported to have taken place between Guru Gobind Singh and a group of Sikhs. ‘All the Sikhs assembled together to ask the ‘source of all values’. Their question was: ‘the Turks routinely rape women of Hind. Sikhs would be doing well to avenge this. Why does the Guru’s code (gurshastra) prohibit molestation of women? Then, at that time, the True Guru spoke thus; I want the panth to scale (new moral) heights. I will not condemn it to depths of degradation.’ It appears that these precepts were duly formally codified and strict adherence to them was stipulated as the Guru’s wish – the strongest of all sanctions for a believing Sikh.

rishta karade lol

Pakistani one? Arab Muslima barey ki khyaal aa HSD

Can't blame them, because sadly I used to be one of them. Its just that there is not enough correct parchar, Gurdwaras have failed us in a big way

lol I'm not narrowminded if that is what you guys mean.

Yes, true in a way.

Don't take things out of context guys, but yeah pre-marital etc all forbidden. Looks like its not easy to control lol

Copulating with Turknis was discouraged because they were our main enemies, its their women that would fall in our hands (and tempt us to do something wrong, in retaliation for all they did). Extra-marital relations are forbidden period.

Well, I meant the researching ones. Aren't these just passing down already known oral info (from their previous Jathedars/sants). I meant the ones who go research in libraries, compare manuscripts and write books. Forgive me if I said something wrong.

Might be dubidhaa (check Gurbani for dubidha and how it is frowned upon). Might also be past karams, If I'm not mistaken you have to pay for paaps first (meaning recite Gurbani to get rid off debt before starting to 'earn').

baahen jinha di pakriye sir dijiye baahin na chodiye Where is this from? Its obviously about Guru Tegh Bahadur, but by whom? I heard its by Bhai Nand Lal.

Film by Mangal Dhillon called Sarb Rog Ka Aukhad Naam is somewhere online, contains many testimonies (including Vasu Bharadwaj, which is available on youtube anyways)

"The extant text of Rehatnama Chaupa Singh is a conflation of at least three different sources. It cannot be the work of a single author. The manuscript evidence points to a text comprising of four parts: the preface, a set of prescriptions of conduct, a narrative of Guru Gobind Singh's life, and a string of transgressions that need to be punished. The core of the text is constituted of the preface and the part that follows it, while the remaining two sections were appended later. The counting of the sentences in the section that follows the preface was eventually extended to the appended parts, creating the impression that they were always part of a single whole." We need to settle the above issue first, ascertain which the real Chaupa Singh rehat is and then discuss its contents. Seems nearly impossible because we have near to no scholars left in our nation. Only people who argue on trivial matters and look down people not following the same Rehat.

Yes, in contemponary Punjabi the word has the same meaning as you said above.

Could ਯਾਂ mean then? I think a similar word is used in Dasam granth?

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<p>This will be my last post. You are pretty thick up there LOL </p> <p>just kidding</p> <p> </p> <p>Actually we just adhere to 2 different belief systems, we have got different approaches or even interpretations of Gurbani. You will never agree, no matter what I say lol<br /> <br /> I am very sure of my opinion, but sadly don't have enough time to keep arguing like this.<br /> <br /> I would like to end the thread with some Gurbani:</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <div>I have searched many Shastars and Simrtis, they do not show the way to God, but contemplation on God is invaluable.</div> <div>--</div> <div> <div>The Simritee is the daughter of the Vedas, O Siblings of Destiny. She has brought a chain and a rope.</div> <div>--</div> <div>The Simritees and the Shaastras discriminate between good and evil, but they do not know the true essence of reality.</div> </div>