Ideal Singh

Wild guess... Can it be a part of a 'Theatre Dramas' played during those times... you know those "Noutankies..."

Hey Amardeep, did you take it with Chilli Sauce or Tomato Sauce... It surely look yummy...

The Kirpan in the hand of Maharaja Ranjit Singh in this picture must have been preserved somewhere... we can validate from there...

Dear Beast, just have a close look in the right eye of "Maharaja" that surely seems to be deformed...

N3O where did you find it...

There you go !!! but you have to search for PDFs.

http://sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness/vie...der=asc&start=0

That was cool Penji... Mazaa Agaya Pad Kae...

I think Tawheed has gone to get some assitants to sort him out... :roll:

Having taken all of the above into account, we must all agree, whether we are Muslim, Sikh, Hindu, Christian or Jew, we all believe in Allaah and claim to have the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth. However, only one religion is the religion of Truth.

We all agree that our purpose in life is to worship our Creator. Our Creator, the all-Just, the one who has the perfect attribute of Justice, cannot be worshipped except upon the one true religion. This is easily established when we realise that ALL religions, who claim to be the religion of Truth, not only have a unique particularised form of worship, but more importantly, a very specific and defined understanding of the Creator. The Christians believe in a Triune nature of God claiming that God came down in the form of a human being. We Muslims believe that it is not befitting the majesty of the Creator, the absolute perfect, to come down as a human and we believe that He is separate and distinct from His creation. And you Sikhs believe that God is everywhere and in everything (Pantheism) and believe, although not all, that He too manifested Himself as a human, i.e. Gurus.

Since worship is the reason for our existence, we cannot worship Allaah without having the correct understanding of our Creator. Indeed, two religions whose notion of god is antithetical, contradictory to one another, cannot both be the religion of Truth. There can only ever be one. Hence, either Islaam’s understanding of Allaah is correct or Sikhism’s. Both religion’s belief and understanding of God is antithetical, thus, they cannot both be absolute truth.

Welcome Tawheed...

:arrow: Could you tell me what is an ultimate Truth ?

:arrow: Sikhism does not make any of such chidish claims of being the only way/path. Is it mentioned anywhere... Please Quote...

:arrow: Sikhism expects humans to be good human beings... respect and defend other people's faiths and beliefs and respect other's freedom of Spirit as well as defend our own. There are numerous examples... but later... Seems pretty rationale theory to me...

:arrow: Sikhism has no uneducated brutal concepts of non-believers etc... who are you or me to decide that who is who ? Sikhism says each human is born to one Creator (Almighty), so no discrimination. Isn't this True that all mankind is One, dear Tawheed, then how could you differentiate between them...

:arrow: Sikhism does not force anyone to convert... Ever heard of Sikh missionaries forcing the issue... I have never heard...

:arrow: Ever heard of the notion Gender Equality... Sikh philosophy propounds Gender equality... no discrimination what so ever. Islaam, I think, treats Women to be 1/4th of Men... as one man can marry four at a time and even seven under special circumstances. How can a Religion which discriminates be an absolute Truth ?

:arrow: How can such a thinking be acceptable to your brand of Allah. I wonder...

...will not compromise when needing to express falsehood as falsehood.

Do you mind explaining the above, espeacilly, when you confess that you do not know anything about Sikh faiths and beliefs... How did you conclude that Sikhism propounds pantheism?

We can easily determince what is Truth or Falsehood...

Peace.

Chardee Kalaa...

Beautiful... simply beautiful... I am glad that I met you over here... Keep posting...

LUV

Air-India witness gives damning testimony

By ROBERT MATAS

Globe and Mail Update

A crucial witness in the Air-India trial testified Monday that, as a

youngster in India, he killed his older brother in 1965 with a ceremonial

Sikh sword he wore for religious reasons.

Recounting his life-story before testifying against defendant Ajaib Singh

Bagri, the turbaned Sikh man told the court that he entered the United

States illegally in 1983. After being refused political asylum, he tried

unsuccessfully to use fraudulent papers to obtain residency papers, he said.

He told the court that in the mid-1980s he was an executive of a Sikh group

in New York — the Deshmesh Regiment and Sikh Student Federation — that was

accused of terrorism after other executive members were arrested for trying

to kill a former Indian government state official in New Orleans.

He said he raised money to help two members escape after police stopped the

attempted murder and arrested four others.

Funds from the Deshmesh Regiment had been used to provide military training

for six of the group's members, he testified. The witness also said he went

to a shooting gallery in New York to learn how to fire rifles and hand guns

in case he was sent back to India.

Please see our

Air-India Backgrounder

The witness is one of two key witnesses to testify against Mr. Bagri in the

international terrorism case. In response to questioning by prosecutor

Richard Cairns, he recounted incidents in his life without equivocation,

excuses or emotions.

His past history is considered relevant in court as a factor to be

considered when the judge assesses his credibility as a witness against Mr.

Bagri. A court order prohibits the media from identifying him.

An agent from the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigations, accompanied by an

FBI lawyer and a Canadian Department of Justice lawyer, listened intently

to the testimony. Mr. Cairns told the court that they would ask to

intervene if issues of national security arose.

The witness told the court that he had had a contract with the FBI to

provide them with information. When he ran into difficulties with the

immigration department in the 1980s, his FBI handler told him that the

federal agency would take care of his problems.

In 1987, he left the U.S. to attend a family funeral. The FBI arranged for

him to receive documents that allowed him to return to the U.S., he said.

He was granted political asylum after filing a second application in 1996

and now has permanent residence papers, he said.

The witness left India in 1973 and came to the United States 10 years

later. He told the court that he had killed his brother in 1965 in

self-defence, after intervening in a family fight. He was convicted and

sentenced to seven years, but a higher court overturned the conviction two

years later.

The witness's testimony against Mr. Bagri begins in 1984, when he spoke to

Mr. Bagri after a rally at Madison Square Gardens in support of

establishing a separate Sikh state.

The witness said he had a private conversation with Mr. Bagri after the

rally. Mr. Bagri urged him to tell his friends: “Don't go to jail for small

things. We have stuff that can blow [up] a block,†the witness recalled.

In statements to police before the trial, the witness recalled a

conversation with Mr. Bagri a few weeks after the Air-India disaster in

1985. He told Mr. Bagri that some people were blaming the group that he was

involved with for the Air-India disaster. Mr. Bagri told him, “why are they

bothering you. We did this,†he told the police.

Three years later, he told police that in September, 1987 Mr. Bagri said

one of the two explosions was expected an hour earlier.

Mr. Bagri and Vancouver businessman Ripudaman Singh Malik are charged with

murder for the death of 331 people in two explosions on June 23, 195 on

opposite sides of the world.

The trial continues...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...Story/National/

My own language? Means? :?

Oops!! I beg for your pardon... in your own words...

The Rediff Special/Ehtasham Khan

March 03, 2004

He still believes that one day Saddam Hussein will sit on the throne made

by him.

When television channels across the world were beaming images of the

deposed Iraqi president's capture by American troops, Mukhtiar Singh locked

himself in a room. And he did not eat for three days.

Singh was not the former president's aide or a beneficiary of the erstwhile

dictator's regime. He is a carpenter who had stuck a 'special friendship'

with Saddam and Iraq.

The intricately carved silver-coloured teakwood throne sits ensconced in a

special glass case at his showroom -- Aashiana -- in Kirti Nagar market of

Delhi.

"I made this throne for Saddam Hussein. I will give it to him when I meet

him," says Singh, who is also chairman of International Sikh Council. He

has firm faith that Saddam will be released one day.

Singh had offered Saddam to make this throne in 1992. "I completed it in

five months. It was gift for him. It was not to be sold. But when the

throne was made, crisis started in Iraq and I was not able to send it to him."

"I pray for him everyday. Us ne Sikh dharm ke liye bada kaam kiya hai (He

has done a great service to Sikhism," he says

Always clad in white kurta-pyjama and white turban, Singh, 50, has a long

association with Saddam. And he stood behind his favourite Iraqi through

thick and thin.

Singh's furniture factory is considered to be one of the best in Delhi. A

designer of furniture himself, Singh has clients from several countries.

But Iraq is special for him.

A graduate of Delhi University, Singh says he appeared for many competitive

examinations without success. It was then he started a small furniture

workshop in Mayapuri.

"It was a new thing for me. But gradually I developed interest in this

field. I started designing furniture and god made it all possible. I will

call it god's gift," he recalls.

One afternoon in 1976 the then Iraqi ambassador happened to visit his

workshop. Impressed by the quality of work he bought some and sent it to

Baghdad.

The Iraqis liked his furniture and soon Singh's business grew and he

started exporting furniture to that country on a regular basis.

"People in Baghdad opened showrooms of my furniture. I became a brand name

there," claims Singh.

Soon his furniture was brought to the notice of Saddam after the Iraqi

ambassador sent him selected pieces from Delhi. Saddam was impressed and

invited Singh to visit his palace.

"It was January 23, 1990. I met Saddam Hussein at his palace. He is great

human being. A great friend and a wonderful person," recalls Singh. "Five

Mercedes cars came to receive me at the airport. I was treated like a king.

I was given a special room and coffee in a golden cup."

Singh took a 250-kg wooden lion to gift it to Saddam. "I presented him the

small gift I had taken for him," says Singh. Both struck an instant rapport

and the scheduled 15-minute meeting went for more than an hour.

The discussion ranged from Iraq's friendly relationship with India, Sikhism

in Iraq and Saddam's interest in art and culture.

"I convinced him that Sikhism is the most scientific religion on earth. He

was impressed. He knew a lot about Sikh history in Iraq," he said.

At the end of the meeting, Saddam proposed that Singh stay in Baghdad and

train Iraqi carpenters. "I refused with much respect but proposed to train

25 Iraqis at my workshop in Delhi. And I fulfilled my promise," Singh says.

But what makes him so nostalgic about the Iraqi president? "He asked me to

express a desire. What ever I wanted," says Singh.

Singh requested Saddam to restore and renovate a Sikh religious place

called Baba Nanak Maqam in Baghdad. Greatly revered by Sikhs, it was the

place where Guru Nanak stayed on his way to Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia.

"Saddam immediately ordered the renovation of the shrine. It was like a

dream for me. And not just that he kept on communicating with me for so

many months about the status of the shrine," says Singh showing the letters

that the Iraqi president and ministers had sent to him.

Singh has also preserved the clippings of Iraqi newspapers that carried

stories of Singh's friendship with Saddam.

"He (Saddam) has done a great service for Sikhism. We are indebted. We

cannot return this debt no matter whatever we do for him," says an

emotional Singh.

"Can you imagine such thing in an Arab land? Can a dictator be so large

hearted? He is not a dictator. He is a tolerant and secular man. He

respects others," says Singh.

Singh recalls that Saddam's cousin always made it a point to meet him

whenever he came to Delhi.

Singh's communication with Saddam, and his business started decreasing

after the first Gulf War. But Saddam did not forget to invite him for his

birthday party in Tikrit.

"It was a wonderful experience for me. It became like my house. People were

so friendly and nice to me. They know to respect guests," he says.

The ambassador's visit to his showroom decreased gradually and finally

ended as Iraq got entangled in one crisis after another. But Singh kept

praying for the well being of Saddam.

"Whenever I remember him, I feel disturbed. It should not have happened,"

says Singh, recalling the second Gulf War.

And Singh doesn't think too highly of US foreign policies. "Who has give

them (US) the right to decide about the fate of other countries? Have they

been able to find any trace of weapons of mass destruction?" he asks.

"Only the Iraqis should decide what kind of ruler they want. The change

should come from within and not imposed by America or anybody else," he says.

Singh is also equally critical about India's response to the US-led war

against Iraq. "Saddam was always India's friend. He had done so much for

India but we could not do even a fraction of it for him," he said.

Now that the Baba Nanak Maqam is ravaged like any other building in

Baghdad, Singh wants it restored again.

"I appeal to the US President (George) W Bush to immediately renovate the

shrine. If they call themselves the protector of democracy then they must

show it in action," he says. "If an alleged dictator can do so much, I want

to see what America can do."

http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/mar/04spec.htm

Sikh turbans make a fashion statement

Amritsar | March 04, 2004 9:41:23 AM IST

The world of fashion is set to see a new set of models-tall, bearded, and

to top it, turbaned as well.

A fashion show, titled "Virsa", in Amritsar on Tuesday, saw many Sikh

youngsters making a new fashion statement, wearing their rugged turbans.

For the Sikh youths, modelling today is the most glamorous career option

for an attractive lifestyle.

Elated models said that the show gave them a launching pad for their careers.

"I am feeling really great...It has been a very nice experience. Sikh

models have not been very popular, so far. But I think that this is a good

start, and I hope we will do well in the future also," said Jaskirat Singh,

a Sikh model.

"We are really feeling elated that now on, our Sikh community will do ramp

shows. I believe that the entire Sikh community will support us, and we

will definitely do something in the world of modelling," said Navpreet

Singh, another Sikh model.

Whether they realise their dreams or not, the show helped the models to

parade their potential.

The warrior sect with turbans and beards now appears set to make its

presence felt on the fashion map.(ANI)

http://www.webindia123.com/news/showdetail...32871&cat=India

Dear Amrit Ji,

As usual with your writings... this too makes a fascinating reading... is this narration in your own language...

Warm Regards

Chardee Kalaa...

Anand Ras... as dear Neo S!ngh likes to put it...

anand hi anand !!!!

......

gauVI ] (337-15)[/font:a716125b39]

Gauree:

ry mn qyro koie nhI iKMic lyie ijin Bwru ] (337-15, gauVI, kbIr jI)[/font:a716125b39]

my mind, even if you carry someone's burden, they don't belong to you.

ibrK bsyro pMiK ko qYso iehu sMswru ]1] (337-16, gauVI, kbIr jI)[/font:a716125b39]

This world is like the perch of the bird on the tree. ||1||

rwm rsu pIAw ry ] (337-16, gauVI, kbIr jI)[/font:a716125b39]

I drink in the sublime essence of the Lord.

ijh rs ibsir gey rs Aaur ]1] rhwau ] (337-16, gauVI, kbIr jI)[/font:a716125b39]

With the taste of this essence, I have forgotten all other tastes. ||1||Pause||

Aaur muey ikAw roeIAY jau Awpw iQru n rhwie ] (337-17, gauVI, kbIr jI)[/font:a716125b39]

Why should we weep at the death of others, when we ourselves are not permanent?

jo aupjY so ibnis hY duKu kir rovY blwie ]2] (337-17, gauVI, kbIr jI)[/font:a716125b39]

Whoever is born shall pass away; why should we cry out in grief? ||2||

jh kI aupjI qh rcI pIvq mrdn lwg ] (337-18, gauVI, kbIr jI)[/font:a716125b39]

We are re-absorbed into the One from whom we came; drink in the Lord's essence, and remain attached to Him.

kih kbIr iciq cyiqAw rwm ismir bYrwg ]3]2]13]64] (337-18, gauVI, kbIr jI)[/font:a716125b39]

Says Kabeer, my consciousness is filled with thoughts of remembrance of the Lord; I have

become detached from the world. ||3||2||13||64||

Panna 337 SGGS

Poverty+Hunger+Illiteracy => VOODOO... :roll: Just read the following stuff... uses of voodoo...

Voodoo can reverse a current, turn the tide, alter the shape of the mountain. If it can do all this, imagine what it can do for you? But only if you believe... :roll: seems like a Hindu Mythological Plot...

Here are merely a few of the things believers ask of Voodoo:

Make your relationship stronger, closer, more secure. Enhance compatibility, making your companion softer, nicer, sexier.

Return a lost love. Awaken them to your irresistible charms that will make it impossible to stay away. Soon they'll rush into your waiting arms!... :shock: ... ...sexier... this sure is serious stuff... 8)

Enrich your life with money, plentiful gifts, fabulous material possessions.

Wreck vengeance on the person who has wronged you, allowing them little sleep, implanting fear of you in their mind, bringing peace and respect back into your life... :shock: implaning fear and bringing peace of mind... :roll: aren't these two terms supposed to be opposite..?

Provide instant luck in love, companionship, career. Not last week or yesterday. Now!... mmmm... love... hey where can i learn voodoo...

Change other people's opinion of you... Oh Yeah I need this remedy dearly... espacially here.

Knock out barriers, smoothing the path to your future... Yeah !! Future is bright... its Voodoo...

You will have clear message that they didn't embrace Islam and instead preferred to die.

I think this statement needs some polishing to avoid contraversy...

I think Sikh Gurus and Followers preferred to die becasue they believed in freedom of choice of human spirit. Freedom of Spirit means nobody can be enforced to follow someone else against his/her own sweet will...

Sikh Guru did not, to my knowledge, ever criticised or ridiculed Islam, the Religion, but rahter they rejected the way it was followed. I, Zafarnama, the letter of Victory Guru Ji did not criticise or ridicule Islam but rejected the way Aurangzeb followed it...

My perspective...

BCM

--> What if you finally meet GOD ?

--> What would you do then, that you can't do today ?

--> Why you want to meet GOD ?

--> Can anybody explain the concept of "Becoming one with GOD"... aren't we trying to give attribute to GOD... isn't that so charachteristic of Western religions...

Bhul Chuk Maaf

You would express Pantheism through seasonal rituals which would link you to the earth and universe of which you are part

Dear Ali,

What do we mean by seasoned rituals...

Thanks and Regards...

Until we find S Singh, you can read the following related link...

http://www.sikhcoalition.org/SantJarnailSingh.pdf

If I accept pantheism, what difference would it make?

You would acquire the most positive attitude to existence on earth in a human body that any religion or philosophy can offer. You would focus your religious energy on nature and the universe. Instead of admiring these as evidence of a creator God's glory, you would love them for themselves. You would gain a much stronger basis for concern about the environment than any Western religion can offer.

You would overcome all sense of separation from the earth and from your own body. If you belong to a traditional religion, you would replace faith with common sense and science, and reconcile the religious and the everyday parts of your thinking. You would express Pantheism through seasonal rituals which would link you to the earth and universe of which you are part, and through meditation techniques which allow a direct mystical experience of nature and matter.

I think we need a Brahmgyani...

I knew... this site is spreading their brand of ignorance... but there is no stopping them...

Hey lalleswari what is your idea of Sikhi ? Why not launch another site to spread your brand of Sikhi ?

Informative Site...

http://www.whyichosesikhism.com/

"Who cannot see God in all... cannot see God at all"

Cus its all political

Same old answer... Political ? Whom we are really following SGGS or Politics... I wonder... ?