Kam1825

not sure? very good question

i would state it is more worship of God through the splender of the guru where the guru rightfully belongs!

fantastic question though

i have the book at home but the only thing is that in the book they only have thirteen maha pursh then jathadar baba thakur singh ji.

They have missed out Bhai mani singh ji who took over from baba deep singh ji and before baba gurbakhsh singh ji

i know it is going off the track but reading the interpretation by the nihangs regarding the farla written by Narsingha is fascinating. However i have been told by many sants that the actual images we see of hindu gods is all metaphorical

I have been told regarding Shiv Ji he is a great sadh. The ganga sprouting from the head actually represents the dasam dwar open an the contant flow of amrit through the body of the divine being. The snake around the head represents the five evil within ones person and shows that shiv Ji is still under the control of all of them and maya. The five evils are not under the control but control the great god.

there was also a reason for the half moon as well however i forgot what the meaning was. i remember hearing this in a divan by Sant Baba Jagjit Singh Ji harkhowalae around july 1994 in Leicester.

For this reason i do consider the interpretation to be incorrect just inconsistant with that put foreward by nirmala sants

i do not mean to cause a debate just putting foreward my arguement against it

27/03/2004

added divan of baba amar singh ji on 26/03/3004 which was the barsi of baba ishar singh ji from nanaksar also included is the raagmala recitation before the start of aarti

file added to folder Kam1825 on hub

more to come soon

25/03/2004

added baba amar singh ji's divans at nanaksar wolverhampton on 23/03 and 24/03

more to come

15/03/2004

added

"salok Bhagat Farid Ji"

"salok Bhagat Kabir Ji"

both by Bhai Surinder Singh Ji Jodhpur Walae

more to come

12/03/2004

Added today to my folder on the hub

"Badavae Parva Lo Tutia Gunda Lo" and

"Vichuria Nu Milap"

Both divans by Baba Baljeet Singh Ji Khalsa Dadoo Sahib Walae. Believe me the one about the Beadava is fantastic.

please feel free to download them

alot more still to come

i apologise for this as i am aware that this topic is old however it is new to me. can someone show me the following please or guide me to where i can find them:

1) i would like to read the hanuman natak where could i find a copy of it on the net. if not can someone show me to a e bookstore where i could purchse it.

2) again with the rehit namas where could i read them on the net or find them published to buy

3) according to what i have read in the thread this piece is written in the patna sahib bir of the dasam granth. can we confirm this please as for the comparative studies done between the dasam granths at the takhats it was found that the only difference with this granth to the others was that it had 32 savaiyai instead of the 33 as in the others.

4) we seem to have conflicting views on who actually made this text and what is the context of the text. could someone please authenticate who is the writer?

I am sorry if these are questions that have come too late but could someone please answer these as i am intrigued.

11/03/2004

today added to my folder the following

divan by Baba Baljeet Singh Ji Khalsa Dadoo Sahib Walae "Bhai Joga Singh Di Sakhi"

and

"Jap Ji Sahib" and "Rehraas" done by Bhai Balbir Singh Ji.

Please feel free to down load them.

alot more still to come

also check out gurmatveechar.com where i have posted all of the katha by taksal sants. alot more will be on that site soon as well

Gurfateh

08/03/2004

added "Asa Di Vaar" by baba waryam singh ji

more to come

5/03/2004

added a further divan by baba maan singh ji

"Jang Chamkaur Sahib"

more still to follow

ok this may get contraversial well knowing this forum probably a slanging match but through out the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Sri Dasam Granth there are two types of sangats that are praised.

The Satsangat and Sadhsangat

I am sure that all in this forum have been in the presence of the satsangat at some point if not often but how many of you ever get involved with the sadhsangat,

If you does involve yourself with the sadhsangat as i do as often as possible i would like to read your views on why you do so and what it has given you.

For those that do not involve themselves with the sadhsangat i would like to hear your views why? And why you do not even though it is mentioned on many angs of Guru Sahib?

Added in my folder on the 05/03/2004

Three divaans by baba maan singh ji

"Bhagat Dhanna Ji"

"Prakash Ustav"

"Amrit Di Shakti"

more to follow soon

i thought 108 represented the beads of a mala and 108 was complete also i forgot the name of the sacred hindu texts but there are 108 in all this shows complete dvine knowledge as far as i have been informed.

108 is used to represent bhram gianis one has has become part of god.

As far as the refences with names of shiva i was made aware these were more then 108 so that should have no relevance to the number. according to the vishnu sahansar nama which is a hindu bani with just different names of vishnu with different attribute. its composition is similar to the jaap sahib. in this there are way more names then 1000.

108 also represents the major blood vessels in the body linked to the endocrine or hormonal system according to hindu texts. as some of these vessels are gupt linked to the dasam dwar and chakras. it represents one who has total control of their body, mind and soul supposedly howver i have not read anything to support this.

does anyone know of any texts that we could refer to.

if not i will wait for baba hari singh ji to come back to england in the summer and get them to do a divan on it.

Added today onto my folder in the hub

3 divans by baba maan singh ji pehova walae

"Man Bachae Satgur Kae Paas"

"Manas Dehee Milan Dee Mehta"

"Sikhi Utton Jana Warian" live recording 16/2/2001

more to come including more divans by the bhindrawalae sants, rarae walae sants and nanaksar sants.

added "sant saajan bhae sarsae" by baba baljeet singh jee dadoo sahib walae

added today

Katha Kirtan by baba Balvinder Singh Ji kooralee walay - sach khand jaan waliya

Katha Kirtan by Baba Baljeet Singh Dadoo Sahib walay - rahit maryada

Katha Kirtan by Baba Waryam Singh Ji Ratwara Sahib walay - guru Arjan Dev Ji Di Shaheedi

more to follow

just to let you know i have the following for all on the hub to download in my folder

Dasam Bani - Chandi Di vaar, Chandi Carritar, Akaal Ustat and Ugardantee

Nitnem by baba Baljinder singh ji from Rara Sahib

Numerous photos of Sants and smagams

Kirtan from Bhai Balbir Singh Ji including bir raas kitan and a new cd

About four divans by baba Amar Singh Ji from Nanaksar

2 VCDs one of Baba Baljinder Singh Ji kooralee walay and Baba Mohinder Singh Ji Rara Sahib Walay

Divan by Baba Waryam singh ji about Guru Amar Das Ji

Divan By Baba Darshan Singh Ji

evertime i get something new i will update this thread.

Shaikh farid and baba Farid are indeed the same person

During the time of Satguru Nanak Dev Ji the descendant of baba farid who is known only as sheikh ibrahim in the janamsakhis shared many discourses together.

the sufis claim that the bani which is contained within the Satguru Granth sahib ji is from sheikh ibrahim who used the name of farid in his bani in the same was way the gurus all used nanak

however Guru Arjan Dev ji who were nirankar jot would not have made such a mix up as they were the knower of all and they would only put in bani of bhagats that had merged with god and it is definately the bani of Bhagat Farid Ji

However if you speak to the sufis they will still disagree.

added katha kirtan from sant baba darshan singh ji in my folder on the kirtan hub

please feel free to download

Guru ji said that if they would convert so would the rest of the hindu race. they agreed to this and would have done so if guru ji converted. so effectively the answer is yes that without guru jis sacrifice that religion would no longer exist

it is definately in the sri dasam granth in the shabad hazaray which i am not sure might come before or after the shaster naam mala

just added a new cd of bhai balbir singh ji as well to my folder called Vaday Bhag Mere Prabhu Daras Paiye which is from the barsi of Sant Dalel Singh Ji.

Check it out

also uploaded the nitnem by baba baljinder singh ji from rara sahib for all to download.

more stuff coming soon as even though it has been explained to me cant figure out how to set up an ftp account.

divans of baba baljeet singh ji, baba waryam singh ji, baba baljinder singh ji koralee walea sant and lots more just give me some time.

just put on the kirtan hub some katha kirtan by Bhai Balbir Singh ji ex hazoori raagi of harmandar sahib. I have not heard it or found it on the net before more stuff to do with the dasam and sarbloh bani it is taken from the barsi of baba deep singh ji.

please feel free to download it.