Lucky

a new one on me.

Same here !!

I understand what he's saying, but you can't just stand next to an apple tree waiting for it to fall !!!

Besides, I'm no expert but I am aware that certain ''fallen'' fruits are wasted as they begin to breakdown biologically and become more acidic.

For eg.. I am well aware that in Italy,

where they produce some of the worlds best olive oil... they never use any fallen olives because they would affect the oil quality. These fallen olives are usually wasted and deemed unfit !

This is all because of their higher acidity.

well if.............

ਸਭੁ ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ ਹੈ ਸਭੁ ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ ਹੈ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਈ ॥
Sabẖ gobinḏ hai sabẖ gobinḏ hai gobinḏ bin nahī ko▫ī.
God is everything, God is everything. Without God, there is nothing at all.

....then of course we would expect some kind of active divine living energy within everything !

With regards to water, it is one of the 5 elements or 5 tat, through which the whole of creation was created.

I remember some time ago reading about some experiment where they had some identical plants and exposed them to music.

From what I recall, one lot was exposed to some hard core gangsta rap/heavy metal with filthy language and the other to sweet, calm and loving orchestral music.

It was no surprise that the plants hearing the gentle love evoking music grew twice as much and blossomed with beautiful flowers whilst the growth was virtually stunted in the other lot.

Another little tip of mine to try-

...We know that certain families like to keep nice flowers and plants in their houses and gardens.

Next time you are visiting some relative or aunty, have a look at the state of the plants and see how healthy and happy they look.

You will find that the chances are in the houses where the arguments, as with liquor and drunken rows occur with shouting and swearing... ie a house where in punjabi we say, there is lots of ''Khlaeiss''..... then the state of the plants, if any will speak for that very environment.

On the other hand, in the families where waheguru's name resonates in shabad, kirtan..etc.. and there is 'Sat santokh' within family, then their plants and flowers will be just as colourful as the peace and love between the family.

Try it !!... I have personally confirmed it to myself a few times on occasions.

Maybe there is some sort of physical shock when we get some kind of break-thru !

I mean we expose our bodies to so much filth around the world having to walk in public, past people smoking and spitting..etc...etc.

So, when we take some kind of spiritual leap, it probably has some sort of rebound effect physically.

Anyway, .....I was a little relieved to hear and also read your translation of the below.

Then when rom-rom becomes established then the internal amrit drops start. It will feel like cold drops falling on the bare skin even when there are no clouds in the air. Another experience is if you go where people are doing bhagti then your rahkha chakar will make roms and stand on end, then where ever you hear any sound it will appear as it too is japing WaheGuru WaheGuru WaheGuru for example a running fan. These are indicators that your rom-rom is working.

Lately, because it's so hot.. we have the overhead fans on in every room about 18 hrs/day !

I have repeatedly gone from room to room and I can feel the 'waheguru' jap coming from the fan in complete sync with body rom rom !

The crazy thing is that for a few days I was just walking around room to room and changing the speeds on the fans to see if my rom rom reaction still stayed in sync.... and it would do so immediately !

Again, I was getting a little concerned because I thought that I have developed some 'oversensitivity' problem..!

I have been constantly telling myself that it's not rom rom and that i have messed up my own brain wires of sensory stimulation somewhere.

So, i was quite relieved when I heard this video the other day and then re-reading Sat's translation convinced me that I heard it correctly the first time.

Just a few days ago, I was even telling my wife and asking her if she could feel it ....I was asking her to really try hard to see if she could pick it up..... but she just gave me a weird look thinking that I'm losing the plot !

I can even feel it coming from the pump in the fish tank... but I never told her that bit !!

Excellent

I have great appreciation for some of the things he is saying and like some of the common messages I have heard from the Sikhi perspective. But I do find it a little off putting by the constant mentioning of "the perfect living master" etc and how his master is the one guiding him even though he has moved on. To further go on state that his master now manifests in the radiant form is a bit too much for me to digest. I would rather keep things simple and call this the prakash roop of Waheguru or Atma if that is the darshan aspects he is making references to.

Lets assume, this master was a realized being and merged into Waheguru or realised his true self as in a drop merging back into the ocean. Now to call the ocean by constant references to the drop belittles the entire ocean of the Lord in my view. When one drop merges back into the whole, it would be impossible to separate or find that drop again. Now to make your teacher the object of your meditation instead of the Lord just doesn't sit as well with me. I can't completely call this wrong either because even we Sikhs at times pray to our Gurus and equally say the Gurus and Waheguru are One the same. Don't get me wrong one should definitely be appreciative and grateful to one's guru/teacher/master who got you there but does that mean more emphasis is on them than WaheGuru?

I know, but this is the way they get followers.

I just ignore the living master references because here is where we use the shabad gurmantar.

I just see that part as where the beliefs differentiate since the living guru for me is different to theirs.

They say there are stages where one may need the spirit guide/guru to help them across part of the ocean, but even then, we can hold on to the shabad, I imagine.

Personally speaking, if I were to reach such a stage where my lack of intellect or buddhi may need waheguru's manifestation in some sargun saroop to help guide me, then das would be over the moon to have Guru Nanak ji's guiding hand and charan.

Is this Astral plane he talks off another way of referring to Dev lok?

I don't think it is.

Again, from what I personally understand is that Dev lok is a higher stage than the astral.

The astral also comes with the overlap stage where stuck souls can be,,, these are what one can can experience as poot and prets....etc..

This is also the overlap that psychic mediums, seances ....ouija boards..and all that, make contact with.

Dev lok is way beyond that and you can't tap in there with any ouija board !

Dev lok is more of the angelic realm that we want to pass even further, but it requires more effort than passing the first astral level.

I think that only consciousness expansion compared to astral travel, can get you up and past dev lok.

Great stuff Bhagat.

All these pointers are essential to help you build up that Awareness of the present moment.

Once you can get a grip of trying to stay in this awareness zone, then being able to not follow thoughts also becomes somewhat easier.

Welcome to the forum.

Just to remind,.... all the info and contributions on here are nothing official, but just how we have gone around trying various methods and how we have encountered them. I think more than anything, it is a great way to inspire and help each other on this journey.

I was trying all sorts of simran and meditation techniques before I was inspired by Sat's contributions on here.

Just knowing that he was doing this practically, regularly and getting more into waheguru, was a huge influence for the semi-confused me.

It was probably just after that, that I started paying serious attention to it and taking my steps with more devotion.

There's lots of theories out there, but most of these can't inspire unless someone has actually experienced it.

I hope you too can gain and in turn contribute to everybody's development.

Totally agree with above post, and I would try Sat's technique of focusing at the front of your own mouth.

I think the chances are pretty high that this could help settle your dhian.

Some people find it easier to focus near their ears, near the throat or just behind back of eyes, but you should settle in the one that you find more comfortable and just continue from there.

I wouldn't try and rush into saas saas, but just let it happen steadily and naturally. Once you can manage to keep that level where you can lock your mind solely onto listening to gurmantar, is probably when you should think about the next step/level.

And yes, like Sat says... one day you just find that all of a sudden your mind can just 'lock' into place !

It can take time, but you should slowly be able to bring your mind down from running in all directions of thoughts.

Eventually, it becomes a little easier to completely ignore thougths and just focus on gurmantar.

I used to think of this whole process as cleaning through the layers of filth on my mind.

It's not always easy, because I still have many occasions where I just can't settle in and struggle to subdue the mind.....at these times instead of getting annoyed and frustrated... I try and think of it as some internal cleansing going on.... this way it helps put me in a more positive and determined frame of mind the next time I try !!

I also agree in my case, that you continue breathing via mouth in saas saas. Only when you are ready for internal silent pasanti, do you start via nasal breathing.

kaal cant be the devil because time (and space) are not the devil. Sikhisms stance therefore would be

that the asuri sampada (demonic influences) are the devil. Also known as Abibek these would be

vikaar, ignorance, laziness, violence etc

Hanji... Kaal can't be the Devil.

I think what some of us were getting at is, that the Devil (the mistranslated one!) is Kaal.,.... but Kaal does not describe the devil !

I was thinking that the ''devil'' description is highly misconstrued in a very negatively strong way, in the sense that it comes across as something equally as powerful at the Lord himself but in an opposite and untruthful manner.

Please don't take this as official advice,.... it's just what I understand with regards to my knowledge, time and experience..

I do have a little understanding of what's going on, but your own experiences will confirm in time.

The OBE you describe, is kind of like your soul trying to go out and look for naam, but this naam has to come in the consciousness, fro what I comprehend.

It is a little complicated, but in simple terms I would say that.....

We can all experience the other dimensions, realms,...spiritual worlds...or whatever you want to call them, by 2 methods- from what I gather.

1st method -is the astral/soul/atma....or OBE like you mention...

2nd method- is by raising and expanding your Consciousness..... using mind focus on shabad.

Expansion and elevation of consciousness is by self effort and not usually a gift you can be born with.

Naam simran will help you achieve this and write your lekha.

When you elevate your consciousness, then you can be experiencing realms anywhere in the universe all at once(since there is no time!)...Without having to leave or separate from your body.

This is the kind of idea of becoming jivan mukht and experiencing sachkhand whilst alive.

I have no idea if the 1st method alone can get you towards satguru, but I have been advised to stay focused on the 2nd method in order to experience waheguru, whilst remaining intact in your body.

In my opinion this 2nd method is gurmat providing you stay absorbed in the gur-shabad in the practice of naam simran.

NOTE- I find that the term astral travel is used quite loosely.

Astral bodies can move in the lower and darker realms, which we have to be careful of.

We are not interested in soul travel alone (and that can be possible!), but we need to go via the 2nd method of consciousness elevation and expansion.

If your still not sure what I mean, then you can pm and i can try explain in more depth.

But I know you can't go wrong if you stick with Gurshabad and simran.

Have you tried reading your own palms ?

Because the pre-destined can be changed by conscientious efforts by yourself !

Believe me, you can witness your own lines and paths changing as you raise your own consciousness.

I have not had any 3rd party medium interactions but I do find that the subconscious speaks to you via dreams to help you better yourself.

I do sometimes feel that dreams can bring out matters or issues that we may sometimes ignore in daily life, but which have to be dealt with in order to move on !

(are you aquarius ? )

Lucky,

What technique do you use to balance your air ways?

In my experience, the step from saas saas to silent pasanti jap usually balances any slight unevenness.

I never really gave it much thought until I had this encounter some time ago........ I had had a period of about 2 weeks where I just couldn't get in the swing to do even a few minutes of simran no matter when or where i tried.

It was this little setback that made me check my balance one night and that's when I realized that it was quite bad at some ratio of 75:25 or so. That very early morning, I made sure I had a hot steamy shower to help clear airways and then I even lay with head tilted for a few minutes to let gravity drain the blockage (I was desperate !)

I did the alternate nostril breathing and then tried simran.....and to my surprise I was back in to where I wanted to be.

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Since then, I do tend to keep a little check on it especially on occasions that i may experience some difficulty.

When this happens, I immediately go for the 'Alternate nostril breathing' and this usually corrects it.

At certain times, I have used my mind to focus on the imbalanced side and push it mentally, but this only works if I have done the alternate nostril breath earlier.

I do actually realize the importance of this balance, although I have previously been quite ignorant of such techniques.

A well balanced and co-ordinated gurmukh just needs the shabad to balance everything and take them to Waheguru, but a manmukh like me needs to utilize all available ,to help compensate for the many shortcomings in my vicinity.

I appreciate it's greater significance since I've been trying rom rom. I think this balance becomes of value when the simran is more sukam and subtle.

Theres some confusion as to what sudarshan kriya is supposed to be ?

There is the 16 pumps in one breath as per Yogi Bhajan's and this one above as per ravi shankar's art of living.

Bhagat Jaidev mentions the 16 pumps/breath

ਚੰਦ ਸਤ ਭੇਦਿਆ ਨਾਦ ਸਤ ਪੂਰਿਆ ਸੂਰ ਸਤ ਖੋੜਸਾ ਦਤੁ ਕੀਆ ॥
Cẖanḏ saṯ bẖeḏi▫ā nāḏ saṯ pūri▫ā sūr saṯ kẖoṛsā ḏaṯ kī▫ā.
The breath is drawn in through the left nostril; it is held in the central channel of the Sukhmanaa, and exhaled through the right nostril, repeating the Lord's Name sixteen times

Whereas the one above is like waheguru jaap but at different speeds.

The only thing that I noted a little different is that he says to incorporate the breath with mantar vocal..ie bring in vocal 1st and then match breath 2nd.

But I think that most of us when we do waheguru jap, we incorporate the mantar into the breath so that we are not forcing breath too much but saying wahe and guru with every breath in and out.

Then we change speed to a slower breath when trying to go within and more internal with surti, rather than kicking up the pace !

Personally, I find that going at a steady natural pace seems to be more beneficial for longer sessions of jap.

The fast paced breathing above reminded me of 'breath of fire' that I do in yoga.

This rapid pumping and inhalation for about 3 minutes is good for stimulating all the nadis in the body since it comes from the core of your body.

But you can't sustain it too long or keep the dhian on the jap deep enough- It's more of a clutch-gear change activity to help with general mind and body flow.

The 3HO sudarshan kriya reminded me that I had used it previously on occasions to help me focus and settle in.

I'd forgotten about it and it's just that you don't always remember what to try when you do have difficulty keeping dhian on shabad.

I would suggest that you try it and see if it may help any of you with your dhian focus.

Some people find it helps and some people have too much difficulty with the effort of holding breath.

You won't know unless you try

In my opinion, there's no harm in using/trying techniques to stabilize one self with the shabad dhian.

He was involved with kundalini yoga which started when he was in LA.

He was even at the 3HO sat nam fest back in 2012 I think !

Whether he was giving some serious thought about becoming a sikh at one time.....I have no idea !... but it looks like he paid a little more than just interest.

There have been a number of celebs doing kundalini yoga with most of them from hollywood scene.

Guru loves us ALL equally, whether you a bedi or not.

Why do we even have the thoughts of some differentiation ?

my understanding is that: The Sunn state (Mental) is very far and extremely hard to cross. Once anyone reaches this stage he would have all the knowledge of past, present, and future in the 3 worlds (Physical, Astral, and Causal) because he/she can see the subtle form of thoughts in the Causal plane (which happens to be the seed state of thoughts).

Sunn state is difficult to cross, but getting there is not as extreme as you make out from what I gather and understand so far.

It is the state where your efforts can take you to his Door/dasam duar

Then it is ONLY him who opens it when ready as per his hukam and will.

SO, you work at it and get there, and then only he will answer depending on how long he wants you to wait !

When this opens is when you shall experience the real prakash and hear the sounds from his very mouth !

I'm not too sure about the knowing of all 3 worlds as you mention, because this learning and knowing continues all the way up the higher planes until the final sachkhand- final destination.

Having prakash of waheguru doesn't mean you go to sachkhand, there are many more countless levels we will have to pass through that are tailored to our individual spiritual status.

The difficult part is NOT the getting to sunn, but it is the staying there in that state and prolonging it for longer periods.

To stay there for even a few minutes is not easy at all and requires plenty of practice and many many many repeated attempts.

The abyasees and serious meditators may understand this stage similar to the earlier stages of simran.-....in the sense that just like in earlier stages one can continue anything from months to years before any spiritual experience encounter occurs for the 1st time, then in the same way one can likewise be in sunn for any period of time before Waheguru opens that door.

I believe that there is a sakhi related to this 'waiting' that goes with the shabad below-

It was along the lines of when Kabirji himself was in sunn for a period of 8 pehr/24 hours !!!

That's a whole 24 hours of maintaining himself in that state of sunn before he got the darshan !...... (a whole 24 hr day...incredible!!!!)

ਦਰਮਾਦੇ ਠਾਢੇ ਦਰਬਾਰਿ ॥

Ḏarmāḏe ṯẖādẖe ḏarbār.

I stand humbly at Your Court.

ਤੁਝ ਬਿਨੁ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਕਰੈ ਕੋ ਮੇਰੀ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਖੋਲ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਕਿਵਾਰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Ŧujẖ bin suraṯ karai ko merī ḏarsan ḏījai kẖoliĥ kivār. ||1|| rahā▫o.

Who else can take care of me, other than You? Please open Your door, and grant me the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. ||1||Pause||

Then again he mentions standing at the door many times in Kabir slok

Secondly, no-one was ever able to cross the Sunn state without Kamal/Pura Guru. It is Guru who would switch our dhayan from sargun to nirgun and then beyond and that's when He feels we're ready.

Are you talking about a spiritual guide here ?

OR do you think that anhad naad and gurmantar is all you need to be immersed in ?

I know that sant mat insists on having a spiritual guide to take you across, but I thought the shabad is all we need ?

It's a little confusing and frustrating for me at times because I've encountered others telling me that i should have a spiritual guide or guru ?

Sunn

In my understanding, Sunn is a very deep meditative state whereby you bring control of your physical body to the deeper self of soul and subconscious.

The physical manner that this can get confirmed is that your breathing will change at the moment the shift to this state occurs. This breathing shifts immediately into the very deeper breath just like it shifts when we go into sleep mode.

However, you are NOT asleep or have let your mind fall into the dream mode of maya.

Entering Sunn is the moment when you feel that your mind is disconnected from your body and breath, as it is not in maya and you are not asleep but in full awareness and control.

At this stage you can feel yourself extremely light, expanding and rising from the grounded weight of yourself.

It is a very near feeling to complete nirgun with the feel of yourself ascending, however it is NOT an out of body experience, and neither is this the idea.

(Out of body and all that astral stuff cannot take you to waheguru's door, so you don't even want to try that route and I wouldn't think it is gurmat)

It is probably best explained as going through different dimensions of consciousness until you are in this elevated and altered state of Sunn.

I have heard of abhyasees being at this state for a number of years before his Hukam wills !

But we shouldn't let anything put us off or give up should we ?

What does it mean to merge the mind with breath? and then to separate it? Why must this be done? What happens when it isn't done?

Do elaborate on this more.

Secondly, it is NOT possible to separate Mind and Breath. Both are interdependent. Mind cannot operate without the help of Prana. The vibrations of Prana only produce thoughts in the mind. It is Prana that moves the mind. It is Prana that sets the mind in motion. Also Mind can be controlled via Breath and Breath can be controlled by Mind. e.g in deep meditation the mind is still and therefore the breaths are very deep and long.

Ang945

iehu mnu mYglu khw bsIAly khw bsY iehu pvnw ]

eihu man maigal kehaa baseealae kehaa basai eihu pavanaa ||

"Where does this mind-elephant live? Where does the breath reside?

khw bsY su sbdu AauDU qw kau cUkY mn kw Bvnw ]

kehaa basai s sabadh aoudhhoo thaa ko chookai man kaa bhavanaa ||

Where should the Shabad reside, so that the wanderings of the mind may cease?""

ndir kry qw siqguru myly qw inj Gir vwsw iehu mnu pwey ]

nadhar karae thaa sathigur maelae thaa nij ghar vaasaa eihu man paaeae ||

When the Lord blesses one with His Glance of Grace, he leads him to the True Guru. Then, this mind dwells in its own home within.

The physical sargun breath resides in nostril/lung/diaphragm respiration area.

The question by Guru Nanak ji to siddhas, .. is if the shabad should reside in the spoken sargun area, and then if the mind is in the same area..’’will it stop wandering?’’

OR... ''Where can you put the mind to stop it wondering?''

>If we keep it connected to shabad in the breath and be listening, then that 's fine for then, but we have to take the shabad nirgun and the mind has to follow also.

If we think about what I mentioned above with saas graas and early steps of simran-

We try and connect the spoken shabd and put our mind’s dhyian in that area and Listen.(the practical saas graas)

Thus we make a connection here in order to make the Mind sit inside us, otherwise when our eyes are open the mind wanders outside without effort.

The next step of disconnecting is referring to the initial connection and to go put dhyian higher up within when in sunn. At this stage we want to connect the mind to the shabad and be in ‘shabad sehaj sunn’ instead.

Disconnecting of mind from breath is my meaning for leaving 3 gunas and entering chautha pad, when mind is away from sargun maya and the nirgun thoughts we have.

You see, the mind automatically ties itself to the maya breath of 3 gunas, it ties itself so much that we think it can’t survive otherwise. It’s as if the mind can only be in sehaj if it is tied to something and it automatically opts for maya unless we make the effort.

For the mind to separate from breath, means to become detached from the sargun and connect with the nirgun shabad dunn.

What I'm trying to say in short is>-...the early stages of simran connect the mind to breath by action and the shabad by listening. Then we go further and bring everything antar ghat and nirgun, such that we disconnect mind from here and make it sit in sunn with shabad to begin entering waheguru’s abode.

Of course, we are still breathing and connecting to saas( not disconnecting physically) !

(gurbani below)The mind becomes awakened(jagaii) when it is away from the duality or out of the 3 gunas.

(It won’t awake while dhyian is in the breath and sound as in in early simran)

Ang1128

krmu hovY guru ikrpw krY ]

karam hovai gur kirapaa karai ||

When the mortal has good karma, the Guru grants His Grace.

iehu mnu jwgY iesu mn kI duibDw mrY ]4]

eihu man jaagai eis man kee dhubidhhaa marai ||4||

Then this mind is awakened, and the duality of this mind is subdued. ||4||

Concerning Prana and Pavan-

Prana= Breath of life, the life force

Prana travels via the nadi etheric channels throughout the body.(same as Chinese chi).

More importantly, Prana governs all sukham/subtle processes in the body..ie.thoughts/feelings/mind voice…etc..

Even in bible…’’ God formed humans from the dust of the ground, breathing into their nostrils the breath of life so they became living beings” - Genesis 2:7’’ (I watched 'Noah' last night, and it mentions the breath)

Pavan=the air and breath, that is the carrier of prana.

Pavan is sometimes referred in gurbani as the woven string/thread holding the pearls of a necklace.

Pavan is also what sustains maya.

While on this same issue, I took notice from a thread on sikhsangat and noted the below shabads.

Guru Nanak ji and Bhai Gurdas ji make reference to 10 finger lengths

Ang 944

qRY sq AMgul vweI khIAY iqsu khu kvnu ADwro ]

thrai sath a(n)gul vaaee keheeai this kahu kavan adhhaaro ||

The breath, when exhaled, extends out ten finger lengths; what is the support of the breath?

And from next shabd on same ang

qRY sq AMgul vweI AauDU suMn scu Awhwro ]

thrai sath a(n)gul vaaee aoudhhoo su(n)n sach aahaaro ||

O reclusive hermit, the True, Absolute Lord is the support of the exhaled breath, which extends out ten finger lengths.

Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 22

qRY squ AMgul lY mnu pvxu imlwieAw]

thrai sath a(n)gul lai man pavan milaaeiaa||

In the breath going ten fingers out the mind is associated with the vital air and the practice is completed.

We know in biological/physical terms, the breath goes from deep diaphragm area in lungs up to the nostrils.

This area is up to the throat chakra.(throat chakra covers upper breathing apparatus)

The chakras are each within our bodies at distances of ten finger lengths (or 2 palm width-side by side).

Guru Nanak ji tells the siddhas that the Lord’s mansion is no further than the 10 finger lengths.

Ie. The crown chakra is accessed thru the corridor that starts at trikuti.

This dasam duar or the door to the nijh ghar(his mansion) is 10 finger lengths from trikuti.

Thus, his HUGE mansion is no more than 2 palm widths away !!

Maybe the 10 could also be significant for the 5 gyan and 5 karam indries, since we have to close of and internally move from the 9 doors to open the 10th !!

I'm just going back with reference to a couple of older posts in another thread where I tried to explain what I understood about the jugtees of saas graas and saas saas. I have just noticed that the saas saas had a couple of points missing and I have now amended and described the 2 stages of Saas Saas itself a little more clearly than previous.

Saas Graas.as I explained in above post is when we chant Wahe-(breath in) and Guru-(breath out).

I believe that one should practice this quite thoroughly before trying to jump onto the next ones, because I have realized to some extents why there is so much importance in the mentioned vidhi.

It's foundation has to be strong to help in later techniques.

Saying that, it has also got me thinking about why it's called saas graas ?

Well, considering it's importance and strong foundation required, I came up with a possible answer that made a little more sense to me personally !

We have all probably come across the different interpretations that we may find in places, because Saas=breath and Graas=morsel of food.

The most common one that I hear is that Saas graas means we should be japping naam with EVERY breath and EVERY morsel of food we eat..ie. at all times while breathing and eating.

But I have always felt that the interpretation is a little loose.

However, I personally think it's much more than this, especially after doing the practical,

Firstly, we have to remember that we are doing simran to rise to nij ghar and we start this journey by merging BOTH Mind and Breath, in order that we can learn to CONTROL the mind by moving it's dhyian about internally.

Then, once we have learned to control it, we need to learn to separate the Mind from the Breath.

This is so that we can get into the stage of SUNN where there are no thoughts and whilst there, we should attach and merge with Guru shabad in order to continue with his grace to Waheguru.

In effect, we are doing these vidhis and using these jugtees in order train our self control with the mind.

The Saas is the life force pran energy and pavan or simply called the breath.

But this saas is essential only while we are in a physical body form in Maya. Therefore, we could say that pavan is the guru of Maya, since when we are out of the bondage of pavan, then we are also out of the maya world.

With this in mind,-My idea is that ''Graas'' is referring to the food of the Mind via pavan life force.

So, saas graas is a foundation to start at by connecting Mind and Breath together in order to try control and increase power/nourish our own dhyian of mind.

Food for thought or should I say food for mind ?

You can listen to recordings of Sant Baba Isher Singh ji (rare wale) explain this. If I remember correctly I think it's called dill di dharkan na milkay jaap. I.e pulse. I never understood that before. To feel this you must be very still and have full attention within yourself. This is advanced stuff because it can lead to hyperventilation which can be dangerous. Some practitioners do this by holding their breath then syncing. I don't have much experience with this so can't elaborate any further.

Sat veerji, I don't think that hyperventilation should scare people away. Because the little I sort of know about it, I don't think that if someone is doing it correctly then there is any worry about hyperventilating.

I've been doing it and trying it for a while now and I will try and post some info on the other thread of what my interpretation and method is.

I was a little confused at first with how people interpreted it differently and also used the term interchangeably with ajapa jap.

‘You must stop these lies against your mother-in-law,’ he began. I felt nauseous. This man was a role model for hundreds, if not thousands, in the community. ‘She’s a holy woman,’ he continued. ‘Tell the police that you are mistaken. Let this poor woman have her life back.’

From then on, others in the community kept approaching me with similar messages. I was being ostracised by my own community. And for what? The honour of a woman who had conspired to commit murder."

I'm speechless!

Well, I hope this wakes up a few of those sons of the mother-in-law's.

These sons that obey and follow every rule and decision made by their dear holy mother............these guys need to wake up and realise what is going on in the mind of the poor girl.