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  1. erm....

    I know Sukha and I like him.

    Now, although u some of u guys will probably know him a lot better than me....I get the feeling that he'd be reading this and cringing.

    Stop shoving him on a pedestal! He's not perfect, but he is an exceptional role model for many Sikhs.

    ps abt the dancing bit....have you ever seen Sukha dance? :shock:

  2. I always thought that this was a universally accepted historical account?

    What about Gurus hunting?

    Bani as I understand it is open to interpretation depending on the knowledge of the reader.

    We were not around at the times of the Gurus therefore we cannot assume what their characters without firsthand recorded accounts.

    Source:Sri Gur Partap Suraj Granth (thanks to Vijaydeep Singh for the info)

  3. Beast Ji,

    I wouldn't worry to much about that sakhi. I personally am not convinced by it. Sakhis are collections of heard stories put together by individuals after the Guru's lives. There will be some errors in them by way of statistics and human error.

    I would focus on the sakhis which can be cross referenced across different sources and which do not condradict Bani or our Guru's characters.

    It is no big mystery that our history does contain some inaccuracies!

    I always thought that this was a universally accepted historical account?

    What about Gurus hunting?

  4. In order to walk this path we need to 1st have complete faith in our Guru, and then we need to give our head to Guru - this means putting Guru's will higher than ours, listening to him, to his instructions, to his advice, to his warnings, to his rules......

    but how then does this fit with the example I gave regarding Guru Gobind Singh Ji pouring searing hot oil over corrupt masands? Why not punish them in a different way?

  5. u asked me for proof regarding a certain famous Singh "dancing".

    Can I ask you for contemporary proof regarding Singhs having 5 kakaars as opposed to treh mudra?

    There's plenty more to say regarding this......(bit late at the moment I'm afraid)

    lol, when i made this post it was with a good thought in mind. but it was late at night and i was too tired to elaborate.

    and now i can't remember what the point was! :oops:

  6. I asked this question on another forum, but as usual it ended up as a mud-slinging feast.

    Recent comments in the music zone (that as bhangra is not gurmat it shouldn't be on a Sikh Awareness website) made me think about this topic once again.

    Your thoughts would be appreciated! :D

    following on from the meat debates, a lot of the pro-vegetarians used the argument that Bani "forbids" meat.

    This got me thinking - is Adi Granth a set of rules that we should adhere to so that God won't "punish" us?

    I really can't identify with this - seems too much like orthodox Christianity to me.

    To me, the Adi Granth has represented a spiritual guide to getting closer to God. I've never seen it as a prescriptive set of procedures to follow.

    As a side point:

    There are no shortage of people who use Adi Granth to criticise meat as a food source. But yet surely Guru Granth Sahib is also against ego, greed, anger, etc. Yet there is no controversy when people display those traits. And what about killing? There is a huge debate over killing animals, yet some of our Gurus killed men. And is fighting for dharam the only reason they killed? How could the situation where Guru Gobind Singh Ji poured hot oil over the corrupt masands be deemed dharam? I actually agree with Guru Gobind Singh Ji's actions - because if you look at the circumstances of that era, those masands deserved what they got. But if we consider Adi Guru Granth Sahib as a rulebook, then Guru Gobind Singh Ji was wrong!

    Just my thoughts.

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