Tony_Sunshine Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Has anyone here read the 32nd sakhi in Sau Sakhi and why i ask is that there is a certain answer that is given to a sikh by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, can somebody let me know if they have read it and its nothing about a future prophecy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...aakhee&start=15 The 32nd Saakhee of the 'Sau Saakhee' Once, the Turks (Muslims) caught a Sikh and took him away with them. They circumcised ('sunnat') him, made him read 'Kalma' (a Muslim prayer). They did what their 'sharaah' (Muslim religious rules) says. They removed his hair. But, his mind was not moved. He started to recite 'Guru Guru'. They made him eat the food and then freed him. At the time of 'Rahraas' (the Sikh evening-prayer), the Sikh bowed his head in the holy presence of Guru Jee and said, "O King! I am a Sikh. I fell unconscious in the battle. The Turks (Muslims) took me away with them and did what their 'Sharaah' say. Now, what should I do? Protect my 'Dharma' of the 'Sikhi'. Otherwise, I will burn myself on a pyre". "How did they do their 'Sharaah'", Guru Jee asked. The Sikh said, "they did my 'sunnat' (circumcised), compelled me to eat the food and cut my hair". Guru Jee said, "Did you enjoy the company of Muslim woman?" Sikh said, "No, I was saved by you". Guru Jee said, "Distribute the 'Karhaah Prashaad' to the Sikhs. You are a pure Sikh. Guru has saved you". The Hazoori Sikhs asked, "O King! How can one be a Muslim?" Guru Jee said, "Enemies do the 'Sharaah' by force. No one becomes a Muslim by doing so. O Sikhs! When one does the adultery, (his/her) mind mixes up, only then one becomes a Muslim. The mind is the reason. Forcefully, the belief cannot be destroyed. My Sikh, who enjoys the sexual relations with a Muslim woman, is not my Sikh. If someone repents after having sexual relations with other's woman, he can be forgiven; but he, who has sexual relation with a Muslim woman, will never be forgiven". The Sikhs said, "The Muslims copulate with Hindu women. If Sikhs get revenge, it is good". Guru Jee said, "Sikh-brothers! We have to take this 'Panth' to the high position, not to lower position. We have not to imitate the wicked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony_Sunshine Posted May 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 There is also something else that is said after that line(the last line you have posted) and that was what i was getting at, and wanted to know if it was in any other versions out there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Please post those lines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinghMunda Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 This does not look like to me something that I would expect Guru Gobind Singh Ji to say.Is it definitely genuine. The whole story seems completely fabricated, correct me if i am incorrect 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 How a Sikh can 'expect' Guru Ji to do this or that? How can we know the 'Leela' of our Guru? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Singh MUnda: what are your criteria for authenticity! Please explain! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyDudesWassup Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Why are relations with Muslim women considered worse the any other women? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Well let's be precise: we are not talking about real relationships here but rape! Of course it is forbidden to rape women even those of the ennemy camp. Guru Gobind SIngh strictly forbade the Khalsa to rape Muslim women because we are supposed to be morally superior to the Mughals! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyDudesWassup Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Arghhhhhh, english translations always mess stuff up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinghMunda Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 I said what I said because there seems to be some major distinguishing being made between muslim women and all other women. Also I apologise for not reading the bit about Sikhs wanting to take revenge properly. And yes, I agree I think maybe the translation makes things sound in a different tone/inaccurate. Are the sau sakhi available anywhere on the internet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony_Sunshine Posted May 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Some of the lines which come after the last line posted talks about the prophet of Islam, and what has happend to him. It continues on from where you stopped the book is in gurmukhi and i dont know how to quote it exactly, i dont have a scanner but i will try to post it as best as i can and give the source. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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