ISI sponsered SIKH website spreading Hate

[sag_roti]

Has anyone seen this website ? http://www.khalistan-affairs.org/home/khal...5/august24.aspx

Its full of conspiracy theories & hate of India. Its obvious to me who (ie which country) is benefitting & instigating this whole Sikh / Hindu problems. Forget the RSS, its people like these that are the real menace. Divide and rule once again; just that some people are too dumb to see it.

[Amrit1972]

ISI is godmother of terrorists in the region, but it is not the only organisation, which is doing such things.

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

Needless to say that we have many a hindus who lik the b_mof boss of ISI ie Musharf and praise a demon like Jinnah calling him bird of pece and secular.

And RSS stands hopeless in front of them.

If RSS had no control of such people who pose as Hindu but act for ISI then why the hell does it come to ask for vote to such people.

Coming back to Khalistan Problem Das can say that usaly Sikhs are frostrated by the callousness of people who lead Hindus.

They make tall claims to defend national interset but make voice only and no action.Often Sikhs support them even on the cost of thier lives(Like in mergency period) but thet ditch hindus.

As hindus are son of cow ie in thier mind they are like beast of burdan so they forget the mistakes of oppressors but Sikhs have memoray like that of snake ,Never forget and never forgive the culprit.

So do Sikhs feel unhappy to live with people of such menatality(this could be Hindu father of Das also who is Ex Officer of Indian Army).

If Hindus have to survive and want Sikhs to live with them then They must also develop Mnetality like that of Sikhs ie ruthless.

Else no one will like to live with them as they are sinking ship due to treachourus leaders and anyone who attaches with such ship also sinks.

So there is great demand to overcome such selfishness in hindus and If Hindu is strong and united Like Sikhs are there will be no problems.

Irony is that Badal like people have learnt this thing from BJP ie to get the power on the bogey of welfare of religeion but let the issue reamain unresolved so that political benefit still have a potential in future.

eg Mr Advanis recent harpijng on Rama temple what the f...ing hell was he saying while he was n power.He cheated us a lot.Das can not list all the things attributed to him.

If Mr/Ms SAG ROTI are in Inida visit the real site

http://dalkhalsa.com

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Anyway Das is intersted that if Sag Roti Ji are from Punjab as his name suggest then we can talk a good lot on that issue inspite of das being a non Punjabi.

[Amrit1972]

Brother, I am surprised to see that you posted such a link. We cannot ignore that there are allegations that Dal Khalsa was a Congress-product. It is not easy to ignore such allegations.

Even today, Dal Khalsa is doing nothing but spreading hatred, which is useful for Congress.

Advani's comments were normal, because he wanted to say something else, not what RSS thought. Anyway, you have to accept that RSS is still the BOSS in the 'Sangh Parivaar'. Advani has to go after December. There is no organisation like RSS in Sikhs, which works for Sikh cause. Dal Khalsa and other such groups are just toys in front of RSS, you know better than me, brother.

Watch closely clashes between Hindus and Christians in Punjab, which happened yesterday. It is perhaps a mistake to say that Hindus have poor memory.

Welcome to further comments.

[drkhalsa]

Dear Amrit

Such allegations are always there and are attached to all type of organisations

now even Sant samaj and taksal has been acused for playing congress card

allegations will always be there and these are there to ctreate confusion among the community

said all this i am not sayin that Dal Khalsa is genuine oraganisation but i am saying that before making concepts about the organisation you have to have direct personal experience about the wprking of organisation and then only it should be decided whether its playing in hands of somebody or not

Need of the time is integrate good we have in community and look for things that unite various sikh organisation instead of what sepreatedsthem

well it is difficult to say which organisation is playing in hand of which party but one thing is pretty sure that all these parties does not want sikh bodies and organisations to integrate among themselves

bul chuk muaf karni ji

Jatinder Singh

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

Respected Brother Amrital Singh JI,

Das can say one thing that organisations like Dal Khalsa etc may not be product of ISI but could be from the internal politics.

So we can not say that everything which can go upto the level of Anti Nationalism(Das is not saying that it is bad only) may be inner built and outsider like ISI can make use of it.

Coming to the short memory of Hindus Das can say with confidance that thier main motto is live and let live and forgive and forget and they only react to offencive and are never proactive this is hapening sicne long in history.

Then while we deal with Pakistan's activity in anti Indian works we can say that performance of Manmohan Singh@ Mrs Sonia Gandhi to deal with Islamic terror is much more better.

Das can say that BJP type people speak a lot but when it comes to act they tend to do gimmicks like op Parakram,while rioting in Gujrat may cost us some of our sympathisers in Pakistan.

Well Das can say that our Hindu brethreans are concerned the least for reconversin esspecialy in Punjab so missionaiers rule the roost.

Das wants to say one more thing that genunine pro Hindu organisation is Bajrang Dal(www.bajrangdal.org which we can not see in India due to Ban on it) and needless to say they too say that for the benefit of Hindus even if they have to support congress it is OK.

On behalf of them Das can extend an offer to Mrs Gandhi that if she converts to Hinduism or Sikhism and makes an offcial policiy to uplift Hindus in India Bajrangdal Can help her.

Das gave the link of Dalkhalsa only to prove that ISI is not always th cause but may add fodder to flame.As we may do in .....

Das can see that main reason of rift between Sikhs and Hindus is this that since long Hindu leaders have been cheating Hindus by arising their pations and after gaining power slowly forgeting them.

Sikhs also have been with them since start but they do notice this plot of leaders of Hindus and feel cheated.

Main problem of Hindu Sikh rift in punjab has been the due to this.

unlike in other states crrupt bureaucracy or poltical executive could be of same faith but in places like Punjab or Kashmir due to differnace of faith it is given a communal colour else in UP or Bihar things are much more in Bad shape there we can have maoists replacing Khalistanis or Jehadis.

But neither Maoists,Sikhs or Muslims are Hindus.Because Hinduism teaches to tolrate which sometimes gos upto the extent of cowdardice.

Das an give an example(there are many more we can put online) .

There was no need to say that we will have no first use of nuclear priamary weapon.We need not have to be so much reluctant to send oour men to Iraq or Afghanistan(still some are there even before US invasion).

Das can say one thing for Mr Advani psudo natinalist/pseudo hawk and best person over there in Dr MM Joshi or Mr V Katyar as they can even motivate Muslims to die for countary.

Das even knows that some of his Muslims frineds who were otherwise pro India did not vote for NDA in lok Sabha polls becuse they felt that BJP is playing frindship with Pakistan card to woe them which they found humiliating this more true for Shias,Ansaries or lower castes or south India Muslims etc.

Well there are majority of Muslims who oppose BJP but by there attemts to copy other seudo seculars for appeasesment cost them thier own Hindu votes. Mr Advani did the same mistake.

report of inciden of clash in jallendhar as follows

http://www.rss.org/New_RSS/News/NewsDetail.jsp

http://www.rss.org/New_RSS/News/NewsDetail.jsp

[Amrit1972]

Such allegations are always there and are attached to all type of organisations now even Sant samaj and taksal has been acused for playing congress card allegations will always be there

Saying that such allegations are there to create confusion is an allegation itself.

and these are there to ctreate confusion among the community

Do you think you are confused little a bit about such organizations? I am not confused, because I am clear that they are anti-Sikh.

said all this i am not sayin that Dal Khalsa is genuine oraganisation but i am saying that before making concepts about the organisation you have to have direct personal experience about the wprking of organisation and then only it should be decided whether its playing in hands of somebody or not

I do not think it is a secret that actually Zail Singh was the founder of Dal Khalsa behind the curtain. He was a congressman. Dal Khalsa's role before the Operation Blue Star is now well known. All the activities of Dal Khalsa favored congress (I). Even today, Dal Khalsa's activities are generally against the Shiromani Akali Dal's interests. Organizing press conferences against RSS chief are useless. Even Congress (I) speaks against the RSS, even louder, so what? The point is if you have any principle on which you can criticize KS Sudarshan or his policies. The very first principle they, or people like them, should learn that they are not the REPRESENTATIVES of the 'Khalsa Panth'. They are neither ELECTED, nor SELECTED by the Panth. What they say could be THEIRS views, not PANTH's. They are neither the 'Dal' (army), nor 'Khalsa', nor they are 'International', because anti-nationalism does not make you 'International'. Internationalism is even a bigger concept than nationalism, but in any condition, it does not mean 'anti-national'.

Holding press conferences against migrant laborers are against Sikhs living in other parts of India. If any organizations have objections against migrant laborers in Punjab, other could have objections against Punjabi Sikhs living in other parts of India. Thus, activities of Dal Khalsa are against the Sikhs in general. Indian Sikhs' wounds of 1984 are still fresh. Sikh widows in Delhi are still suffering, but supporters of such organizations do not come forward to help them. Why? Because anti-Sikh people do not want so. Doing what anti-Sikh people want makes it very clear that they are anti-Sikh elements.

And brother, to 'have direct personal experience' is absolutely impossible. However, one can read what is written on the walls, if he has the ability to.

One question to think over. "Why such organizations are not involved in preaching Sikhism?"

Work hard, and you will get this answer, "They are there to harm Sikhism and Sikhs, not to preach it".

Need of the time is integrate good we have in community and look for things that unite various sikh organisation instead of what sepreatedsthem

'Panthism' unites us; Punjabism/Punjabi-Sikhism/Jatt-Sikhism separates us.

well it is difficult to say which organisation is playing in hand of which party but one thing is pretty sure that all these parties does not want sikh bodies and organisations to integrate among themselves

All such organizations do not want Sikhs to be united under the 'Khalsa Flag'.

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Dear Vijaydeep Singh Ji,

Das can say one thing that organisations like Dal Khalsa etc may not be product of ISI but could be from the internal politics.

It is not an ISI product, but a 'Made in India' one; though it took help from ISI and Pakistan Government. One of its founders, Gajinder Singh, is still in Pakistan.

So we can not say that everything which can go upto the level of Anti Nationalism(Das is not saying that it is bad only) may be inner built and outsider like ISI can make use of it.

If activities of an organization are harmful to the nation (weither Sikh nation, or Indian nation), it is a bad organization. If we produce 'Bhasmasur', why would our enemy not use him against ourselves?

Coming to the short memory of Hindus Das can say with confidance that thier main motto is live and let live and forgive and forget and they only react to offencive and are never proactive this is hapening sicne long in history.

'Sarv-Dharma-Sam-Bhaav' should be motto of all of our Indian brothers and sisters.

Then while we deal with Pakistan's activity in anti Indian works we can say that performance of Manmohan Singh@ Mrs Sonia Gandhi to deal with Islamic terror is much more better.

Still not sufficient.

Das can say that BJP type people speak a lot but when it comes to act they tend to do gimmicks

Same is with Khalistan supporters living abroad. They just make a noise, which does not reach even inside the Indian embassy.

Das can say that BJP type people speak a lot but when it comes to act they tend to do gimmicks like op Parakram,while rioting in Gujrat may cost us some of our sympathisers in Pakistan.

Accepted.

Well Das can say that our Hindu brethreans are concerned the least for reconversin esspecialy in Punjab so missionaiers rule the roost.

Re-conversion could be an other side of same coin.

Das wants to say one more thing that genunine pro Hindu organisation is Bajrang Dal(www.bajrangdal.org which we can not see in India due to Ban on it) and needless to say they too say that for the benefit of Hindus even if they have to support congress it is OK.

It is so funny that we can visit website of Dal Khalsa, but not of Bajrang Dal. Indian government is slightly an anti-Hindu. Lol.

On behalf of them Das can extend an offer to Mrs Gandhi that if she converts to Hinduism or Sikhism and makes an offcial policiy to uplift Hindus in India Bajrangdal Can help her.

Koyoo Kisi Ko Raaj Na Dai Hai. Jo Lai Hai Nij Bal Se Lai Hai.

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

Resepcted Brother,

Das accepts what you are saying but a few things.

1. no outsider can get benefit till house is itself not divided.We can n ot do the same in Pak as they do in Kashmeer till we have local support espeacily for terrorist sabotage.

2. Likewise some time orgaonsations which are good for nations are tagged anti national like VHP was in 1992.

3. Sarv Dharam Sambhav can not be pratice with those faiths which have no faith in this term itself and there are many such people even in grab of Hindus.

4. Deeds of present Governt can be at least better than last as it is dealing with foe in its(foe's) own way and not trying to be a gentleman in world arena at the cost of natioanal interest.

5. Then coming to people who support terror living abroad.Das realy sorry to disagree as recent Blast in Delhi,Bahdur Garh and Chandigarh are proof that they are on there job.In fact Babbers from Germany have gain the help of Hindu migrants in west who are punajbi as well as in India some Bihari Hindus who may help them at Bihar Nepal Border.

We can not take them forgranted and going to embassy is only a sort of symbol of thier bent of mind.Taking them lightly will be the same mistake as did during start of 80's by not thinking that such element can realy do Bad.

They may not need Pakistani money as they can pool lots of dollers themselves and can use Bangldesh or Nepal route to enter and like In Jammu in Punjab also Hindus can be on thier pay roll.

6. Lastly for reconversion Das can say that hindus are a least bothered about it as usual.

Hindus do not learn from the past mistake and Sikhs too have got this habit rahter this bad habit from them.

They trust even Anti National People who do flatary just on thier face values.

Bad freind is worse then a good enemy.So some Khalistanis are misguided then to say BAd and we need to obejectivley make them join us then tagging them Bad.Else even minor political or Economical probelm can be easyly converted into communal one as did in past and very same persons who are opposed actually are covertly encouraginf the same.

Main purpose for das's writing all this is to let us all know that anyone who oppse biogatory in panth may not be an agent of RSS,All anti left or congress are not CIA agents and all Khalistanis may not be sponsered by ISI. Either sides of them can apporach eaCH OTHER AS BOTH ARE ANTI INDIAN.

Our Motto should be utilised the tALENT OF THESE ANTI INDIAN SIKHS for pro Hindu or Pro India cause.

WE do not hjave able leaders like RSS has but Sikh have more motivated cadres then there and there could be something called made for eachj others.

Forgive das if wrong is writtan.