vijaydeep Singh Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Gurfateh Das was reading the Nihung section of brother Amritpal Singh Ji Amrit regarding Baba Santa Singh Ji writing reface of book by Bhai Harbans Singh about supporting Dasham Granth via Dasham Granth Darpan to oppose the book by same name by Gyani Bhag Singh Ji Ambala. As das recently did a study on S. Gurbax Singh Ji Kala Afghana Ji work on similar ground and found flaws in his understanding Guru Granth Sahib Ji as well Dasham Granth and pointed it out. so das also saw similar work by Ambala Sahibh full of absurd logic and totaly misunderstadning of Gurmat(das has not personal vendett towrds Ambala Sahib but rather respect him as like das he was also hindu beofre conversion). so before das writes more flaws in Ambla sahib Jis work and point them dowen das would like to have a look on work of Bhai Harbans Singh Ji to see that from which direction he opposed Ambala Sahib. Das there fore request Brother Amritpal Singh Ji to guide das about book by Harbans Singh ji and from hwere to get it. work of das is online in site sikhphilosophy.net contrversial debate section under thread Dasham Granth a critical study. Das awaits the reply of Brother. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amrit1972 Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 The name of book written by Bhag Singh Ambala is 'Dasam Granth Nirnai' and the book written by Bhai Sahib Harbans Singh Ji is 'Dasam Granth Darpan'. Bhai Sahib Harbans Singh Ji lives in Patiala. I will PM you his mail address when I get. I cannot say where you can get this book from, if you are out of India. If you are in Punjab, you can get it from Patiala or Amritsar Sahib. I have this book in my personal collection. If anyone is doing research on this topic, he must read it. If anyone living in and around Chandigarh is doing so, I would like to help him by providing required information. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted December 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Gurfateh Das will be very Glad for your help. another thing we can do is to make book by Bhai Harbans Singh ji also online as Ambala Sahib book is online. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amrit1972 Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 We would then need permission by Bhai Harbans Singh Ji. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted December 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 Gurfateh Off Course Brother! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted January 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Gurfateh Das was able to get the copy of Dasham Granth Darpan by Bhai Harbans Singh Ji.Yesterday. das is happy that on some things Das is able to find faults with Ambala Sahib which could be a new. Das any will meet Bhai Sahib as soon as possible and will try to write antidote to book oppsoing Dasham Granth by S. Gurbax Singh Ji Kala Afghana Ji also. Das would lie to put a an interesting thing here. The new edition of Ambala Sahib book has title Dasham Granth Darpan only while below in in brackets we have writtan (Dasham Granth Nirnai). As old book created good lot of turmoil so it is more an attempt to cheat the public. Like Lasher -E- Tayyaba may use other names to cheat aouthrits like Marqaz -e- Tayyaba or Jamatuddava. In both case methodlogy is same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhaman_s Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh Friends... time has arrived that we should stop regarding Dasam Granth as a creation of Dashmesh Pita Guru Gobind Singh Ji ...and stop treating it as a Sikh religious literature. How can Dashmesh Pitaji write a scripture which is full of praise of Devi Devtas (Chandi di War etc), vulgarity(Nari Charitraopkhyan). How can Dashmesh Pitaji go against the teachings of Guru Granth Sahib which has shown us the light of Akal Purkh and ridiculed Karam Kands and Devi Devtas...The writer of Bachitter Natak mentions that he did Tap for Mahakaal(Shiv) and Kalika(Durga) for hundreds of years at hemkunt parbat in his previous birth... Now friends can this be written by Guru Nanak rup Dashmesh Pita Guru Gobind Singh Ji....We would be going against the spirit of Guru Granth Sahib if we treat Dasam Granth as Dashmesh Pita's creation...It is clear that Dasam Granth is a creation of a Brahmanvadi cunning person to mislead Sikhs... Time has come that we should come out of this Brahmanvadi mindset and lead the life of a true Khalsa of Guru Gobind Singh Jee.. Sat Sri Akal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted March 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Gurfateh Friends... time has arrived that we should stop regarding Dasam Granth as a creation of Dashmesh Pita Guru Gobind Singh Ji ...and stop treating it as a Sikh religious literature. Well time has come to show door to those guys who want to misinterpret the Bani of Tenth Master via linage og Prof Gurmukh Singh,BS Amabala and GS Kala Afghana. You will have answer to all. How can Dashmesh Pitaji write a scripture which is full of praise of Devi Devtas (Chandi di War etc), Read it carefully and in the language used by Guru and not the interp[etations by those people who will later try to edit Guru Granth Sahib Ji also. Say DEvi is praised but after being told as creation of Akal.Devtas are told as insect in front of Akal.So all are later told as Attrbutes of Akal. Better is to understand Gurmat before as till we have Duja Bhav we will keep on buring our blood in anxity. By the way why did Rasool(PBUH) and Mehdi Meer are metioned?Was that so called Brhimin as Muslim? vulgarity(Nari Charitraopkhyan). To show lower castes the realtiy of thier oppseror for ages and that also in thier own tongue can be a vulagrity for those who have brought Brahmanism or Jattism is Panth but for lowe caste it is call of revloution. How can Dashmesh Pitaji go against the teachings of Guru Granth Sahib which has shown us the light of Akal Purkh and ridiculed Karam Kands and Devi Devtas...The writer of Bachitter Natak mentions that he did Tap for Mahakaal(Shiv) and Kalika(Durga) for hundreds of years at hemkunt parbat in his previous birth... Now friends can this be written by Guru Nanak rup Dashmesh Pita Guru Gobind Singh Ji.... Friend! Tapsya means that we need to work hard to get something it could mean Kirat also. And you did not read that it signifys the fact that even after Tap person did reborn as Khalsa,People who do Tap can be reborn as Khalsa and then only did salvation occur. And by Teh way Mahakal Kalka means super death of time(destroyer of time) within samer Vachitar Natak Akal is termed as Kal or Mahakal(shiva here).There are mani instance like Salok Mahal 9,where Ram is used both for Lord Rama and for Akal.So if teken one meanig then it could be disatrous. Better is to study what Guru Granth Sahib Ji convey before judging the so called contradictions. See ang 23 just one of the many verse below ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਘਰੁ ੩ ॥ सिरीरागु महला १ घरु ३ ॥ sireeraag mehlaa 1 ghar 3. Siree Raag, First Mehl, Third House: ਇਹੁ ਤਨੁ ਧਰਤੀ ਬੀਜੁ ਕਰਮਾ ਕਰੋ ਸਲਿਲ ਆਪਾਉ ਸਾਰਿੰਗਪਾਣੀ ॥ इहु तनु धरती बीजु करमा करो सलिल आपाउ सारिंगपाणी ॥ ih tan Dhartee beej karmaa karo salil aapaa-o saaringpaanee. Make this body the field, and plant the seed of good actions. Water it with the Name of the Lord, who holds all the world in His Hands. ਮਨੁ ਕਿਰਸਾਣੁ ਹਰਿ ਰਿਦੈ ਜੰਮਾਇ ਲੈ ਇਉ ਪਾਵਸਿ ਪਦੁ ਨਿਰਬਾਣੀ ॥੧॥ मनु किरसाणु हरि रिदै जमाइ लै इउ पावसि पदु निरबाणी ॥१॥ man kirsaan har ridai jammaa-ay lai i-o paavas pad nirbaanee. ||1|| Let your mind be the farmer; the Lord shall sprout in your heart, and you shall attain the state of Nirvaanaa. ||1|| ਕਾਹੇ ਗਰਬਸਿ ਮੂੜੇ ਮਾਇਆ ॥ काहे गरबसि मूड़े माइआ ॥ kaahay garbas moorhay maa-i-aa. You fool! Why are you so proud of Maya? ਪਿਤ ਸੁਤੋ ਸਗਲ ਕਾਲਤ੍ਰ ਮਾਤਾ ਤੇਰੇ ਹੋਹਿ ਨ ਅੰਤਿ ਸਖਾਇਆ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ पित सुतो सगल कालत्र माता तेरे होहि न अंति सखाइआ ॥ रहाउ ॥ pit suto sagal kaaltar maataa tayray hohi na ant sakhaa-i-aa. rahaa-o. Father, children, spouse, mother and all relatives-they shall not be your helpers in the end. ||Pause|| ਬਿਖੈ ਬਿਕਾਰ ਦੁਸਟ ਕਿਰਖਾ ਕਰੇ ਇਨ ਤਜਿ ਆਤਮੈ ਹੋਇ ਧਿਆਈ ॥ बिखै बिकार दुसट किरखा करे इन तजि आतमै होइ धिआई ॥ bikhai bikaar dusat kirkhaa karay in taj aatmai ho-ay Dhi-aa-ee. So weed out evil, wickedness and corruption; leave these behind, and let your soul meditate on God. ਜਪੁ ਤਪੁ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਹੋਹਿ ਜਬ ਰਾਖੇ ਕਮਲੁ ਬਿਗਸੈ ਮਧੁ ਆਸ੍ਰਮਾਈ ॥੨॥ जपु तपु संजमु होहि जब राखे कमलु बिगसै मधु आस्रमाई ॥२॥ jap tap sanjam hohi jab raakhay kamal bigsai maDh aasarmaa-ee. ||2|| When chanting, austere meditation and self-discipline become your protectors, then the lotus blossoms forth, and the honey trickles out. ||2|| ਬੀਸ ਸਪਤਾਹਰੋ ਬਾਸਰੋ ਸੰਗ੍ਰਹੈ ਤੀਨਿ ਖੋੜਾ ਨਿਤ ਕਾਲੁ ਸਾਰੈ ॥ बीस सपताहरो बासरो संग्रहै तीनि खोड़ा नित कालु सारै ॥ bees saptaahro baasro sangrahai teen khorhaa nit kaal saarai. Bring the twenty-seven elements of the body under your control, and throughout the three stages of life, remember death. ਦਸ ਅਠਾਰ ਮੈ ਅਪਰੰਪਰੋ ਚੀਨੈ ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਇਵ ਏਕੁ ਤਾਰੈ ॥੩॥੨੬॥ दस अठार मै अपर्मपरो चीनै कहै नानकु इव एकु तारै ॥३॥२६॥ das athaar mai aprampro cheenai kahai naanak iv ayk taarai. ||3||26|| See the Infinite Lord in the ten directions, and in all the variety of nature. Says Nanak, in this way, the One Lord shall carry you across. ||3||26|| so you want to say that Akal is bounded that anyone who does Tapa can not be givne chance to be reborn as Khalsa.OK that could be in Christians and so called Sikhs with Christian influnce(here Christian refer to protestanats like Luthranianas). Then see Ang 553 and is this also interpoltated. ਪਉੜੀ ॥ पउड़ी ॥ pa-orhee. Pauree: ਆਪੇ ਸੁਰਿ ਨਰ ਗਣ ਗੰਧਰਬਾ ਆਪੇ ਖਟ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ॥ आपे सुरि नर गण गंधरबा आपे खट दरसन की बाणी ॥ aapay sur nar gan ganDharbaa aapay khat darsan kee banee. He Himself is the angelic being, the heavenly herald, and the celestial singer. He Himself is the one who explains the six schools of philosophy. ਆਪੇ ਸਿਵ ਸੰਕਰ ਮਹੇਸਾ ਆਪੇ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਅਕਥ ਕਹਾਣੀ ॥ आपे सिव संकर महेसा आपे गुरमुखि अकथ कहाणी ॥ aapay siv sankar mahaysaa aapay gurmukh akath kahaanee. He Himself is Shiva, Shankara and Mahaysh; He Himself is the Gurmukh, who speaks the Unspoken Speech. ਆਪੇ ਜੋਗੀ ਆਪੇ ਭੋਗੀ ਆਪੇ ਸੰਨਿਆਸੀ ਫਿਰੈ ਬਿਬਾਣੀ ॥ आपे जोगी आपे भोगी आपे संनिआसी फिरै बिबाणी ॥ aapay jogee aapay bhogee aapay sani-aasee firai bibaanee. He Himself is the Yogi, He Himself is the Sensual Enjoyer, and He Himself is the Sannyaasee, wandering through the wilderness. ਆਪੈ ਨਾਲਿ ਗੋਸਟਿ ਆਪਿ ਉਪਦੇਸੈ ਆਪੇ ਸੁਘੜੁ ਸਰੂਪੁ ਸਿਆਣੀ ॥ आपै नालि गोसटि आपि उपदेसै आपे सुघड़ु सरूपु सिआणी ॥ aapai naal gosat aap updaysai aapay sugharh saroop si-aanee. He discusses with Himself, and He teaches Himself; He Himself is discrete, graceful and wise. ਆਪਣਾ ਚੋਜੁ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਆਪੇ ਆਪੇ ਸਭਨਾ ਜੀਆ ਕਾ ਹੈ ਜਾਣੀ ॥੧੨॥ आपणा चोजु करि वेखै आपे आपे सभना जीआ का है जाणी ॥१२॥ aapnaa choj kar vaykhai aapay aapay sabhnaa jee-aa kaa hai jaanee. ||12|| Staging His own play, He Himself watches it; He Himself is the Knower of all beings. ||12|| See Ang 361 and 360 ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ आसा महला १ ॥ aasaa mehlaa 1. Aasaa, First Mehl: ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਮਨੈ ਮਹਿ ਮੁੰਦ੍ਰਾ ਖਿੰਥਾ ਖਿਮਾ ਹਢਾਵਉ ॥ गुर का सबदु मनै महि मुंद्रा खिंथा खिमा हढावउ ॥ gur kaa sabad manai meh mundraa khinthaa khimaa hadhaava-o. Let the Word of the Guru's Shabad be the ear-rings in your mind, and wear the patched coat of tolerance. ਜੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰੈ ਭਲਾ ਕਰਿ ਮਾਨਉ ਸਹਜ ਜੋਗ ਨਿਧਿ ਪਾਵਉ ॥੧॥ जो किछु करै भला करि मानउ सहज जोग निधि पावउ ॥१॥ jo kichh karai bhalaa kar maan-o sahj jog niDh paava-o. ||1|| Whatever the Lord does, look upon that as good; thus you shall obtain the treasure of Sehj Yoga. ||1|| ਬਾਬਾ ਜੁਗਤਾ ਜੀਉ ਜੁਗਹ ਜੁਗ ਜੋਗੀ ਪਰਮ ਤੰਤ ਮਹਿ ਜੋਗੰ ॥ बाबा जुगता जीउ जुगह जुग जोगी परम तंत महि जोगं ॥ baabaa jugtaa jee-o jugah jug jogee param tant meh jogaN. O father, the soul which is united in union as a Yogi, remains united in the supreme essence throughout the ages. ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਗਿਆਨ ਕਾਇਆ ਰਸ ਭੋਗੰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ अम्रितु नामु निरंजन पाइआ गिआन काइआ रस भोगं ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ amrit naam niranjan paa-i-aa gi-aan kaa-i-aa ras bhogaN. ||1|| rahaa-o. One who has obtained the Ambrosial Naam, the Name of the Immaculate Lord - his body enjoys the pleasure of spiritual wisdom. ||1||Pause|| ਸਿਵ ਨਗਰੀ ਮਹਿ ਆਸਣਿ ਬੈਸਉ ਕਲਪ ਤਿਆਗੀ ਬਾਦੰ ॥ सिव नगरी महि आसणि बैसउ कलप तिआगी बादं ॥ siv nagree meh aasan baisa-o kalap ti-aagee baadaN. In the Lord's City, he sits in his Yogic posture, and he forsakes his desires and conflicts. ਸਿੰਙੀ ਸਬਦੁ ਸਦਾ ਧੁਨਿ ਸੋਹੈ ਅਹਿਨਿਸਿ ਪੂਰੈ ਨਾਦੰ ॥੨॥ सिंङी सबदु सदा धुनि सोहै अहिनिसि पूरै नादं ॥२॥ sinyee sabad sadaa Dhun sohai ahinis poorai naadaN. ||2|| The sound of the horn ever rings out its beautiful melody, and day and night, he is filled with the sound current of the Naad. ||2|| ਪਤੁ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ਗਿਆਨ ਮਤਿ ਡੰਡਾ ਵਰਤਮਾਨ ਬਿਭੂਤੰ ॥ पतु वीचारु गिआन मति डंडा वरतमान बिभूतं ॥ pat veechaar gi-aan mat dandaa varatmaan bibhootaN. My cup is reflective meditation, and spiritual wisdom is my walking stick; to dwell in the Lord's Presence is the ashes I apply to my body. ਹਰਿ ਕੀਰਤਿ ਰਹਰਾਸਿ ਹਮਾਰੀ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪੰਥੁ ਅਤੀਤੰ ॥੩॥ हरि कीरति रहरासि हमारी गुरमुखि पंथु अतीतं ॥३॥ har keerat rahraas hamaaree gurmukh panth ateetaN. ||3|| The Praise of the Lord is my occupation; and to live as Gurmukh is my pure religion. ||3|| ਸਗਲੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਹਮਾਰੀ ਸੰਮਿਆ ਨਾਨਾ ਵਰਨ ਅਨੇਕੰ ॥ सगली जोति हमारी समिआ नाना वरन अनेकं ॥ saglee jot hamaaree sammi-aa naanaa varan anaykaN. My arm-rest is to see the Lord's Light in all, although their forms and colors are so numerous. ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਸੁਣਿ ਭਰਥਰਿ ਜੋਗੀ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਲਿਵ ਏਕੰ ॥੪॥੩॥੩੭॥ कहु नानक सुणि भरथरि जोगी पारब्रहम लिव एकं ॥४॥३॥३७॥ kaho naanak sun bharthar jogee paarbarahm liv aykaN. ||4||3||37|| Says Nanak, listen, O Bharthari Yogi: love only the Supreme Lord God. ||4||3||37|| See Ang 207 ਗਉੜੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ गउड़ी महला ५ ॥ ga-orhee mehlaa 5. Gauree, Fifth Mehl: ਤੁਝ ਬਿਨੁ ਕਵਨੁ ਰੀਝਾਵੈ ਤੋਹੀ ॥ तुझ बिनु कवनु रीझावै तोही ॥ tujh bin kavan reejhaavai tohee. Who can please You, except You Yourself? ਤੇਰੋ ਰੂਪੁ ਸਗਲ ਦੇਖਿ ਮੋਹੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ तेरो रूपु सगल देखि मोही ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ tayro roop sagal daykh mohee. ||1|| rahaa-o. Gazing upon Your Beauteous Form, all are entranced. ||1||Pause|| ਸੁਰਗ ਪਇਆਲ ਮਿਰਤ ਭੂਅ ਮੰਡਲ ਸਰਬ ਸਮਾਨੋ ਏਕੈ ਓਹੀ ॥ सुरग पइआल मिरत भूअ मंडल सरब समानो एकै ओही ॥ surag pa-i-aal mirat bhoo-a mandal sarab samaano aikai ohee. In the heavenly paradise, in the nether regions of the underworld, on the planet earth and throughout the galaxies, the One Lord is pervading everywhere. ਸਿਵ ਸਿਵ ਕਰਤ ਸਗਲ ਕਰ ਜੋਰਹਿ ਸਰਬ ਮਇਆ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਤੇਰੀ ਦੋਹੀ ॥੧॥ सिव सिव करत सगल कर जोरहि सरब मइआ ठाकुर तेरी दोही ॥१॥ siv siv karat sagal kar joreh sarab ma-i-aa thaakur tayree dohee. ||1|| Everyone calls upon You with their palms pressed together, saying, "Shiva, Shiva". O Merciful Lord and Master, everyone cries out for Your Help. ||1|| ਪਤਿਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਸੁਖਦਾਈ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਸੀਤਲੋਹੀ ॥ पतित पावन ठाकुर नामु तुमरा सुखदाई निरमल सीतलोही ॥ patit paavan thaakur naam tumraa sukh-daa-ee nirmal seetlohee. Your Name, O Lord and Master, is the Purifier of sinners, the Giver of peace, immaculate, cooling and soothing. ਗਿਆਨ ਧਿਆਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਸੰਤ ਤੇਰੇ ਸਿਉ ਗਾਲ ਗਲੋਹੀ ॥੨॥੮॥੧੨੯॥ गिआन धिआन नानक वडिआई संत तेरे सिउ गाल गलोही ॥२॥८॥१२९॥ gi-aan Dhi-aan naanak vadi-aa-ee sant tayray si-o gaal galohee. ||2||8||129|| O Nanak, spiritual wisdom, meditation and glorious greatness come from dialogue and discourse with Your Saints. ||2||8||129|| so is not Shiv term used for Akal and Mahakal there is even one who makes Shiv from feet(Kal Ki Payee Bhave Hai Sadshive Kal Ki Paye Bhyo Jugiya Hain)Vachitar Natak. We would be going against the spirit of Guru Granth Sahib if we treat Dasam Granth as Dashmesh Pita's creation...It is clear that Dasam Granth is a creation of a Brahmanvadi cunning person to mislead Sikhs... Time has come that we should come out of this Brahmanvadi mindset and lead the life of a true Khalsa of Guru Gobind Singh Jee.. See Ang 606 and 607 ਸੋਰਠਿ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥ सोरठि महला ४ ॥ sorath mehlaa 4. Sorat'h, Fourth Mehl: ਆਪੇ ਸੇਵਾ ਲਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਆਪੇ ਭਗਤਿ ਉਮਾਹਾ ॥ आपे सेवा लाइदा पिआरा आपे भगति उमाहा ॥ aapay sayvaa laa-idaa pi-aaraa aapay bhagat omaahaa. The Beloved Himself commits some to His service; He Himself blesses them with the joy of devotional worship. ਆਪੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਆਪੇ ਸਬਦਿ ਸਮਾਹਾ ॥ आपे गुण गावाइदा पिआरा आपे सबदि समाहा ॥ aapay gun gaavaa-idaa pi-aaraa aapay sabad samaahaa. The Beloved Himself causes us to sing His Glorious Praises; He Himself is absorbed in the Word of His Shabad. ਆਪੇ ਲੇਖਣਿ ਆਪਿ ਲਿਖਾਰੀ ਆਪੇ ਲੇਖੁ ਲਿਖਾਹਾ ॥੧॥ आपे लेखणि आपि लिखारी आपे लेखु लिखाहा ॥१॥ aapay laykhan aap likhaaree aapay laykh likhaahaa. ||1|| He Himself is the pen, and He Himself is the scribe; He Himself inscribes His inscription. ||1|| ਮੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਜਪਿ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਓਮਾਹਾ ॥ मेरे मन जपि राम नामु ओमाहा ॥ mayray man jap raam naam omaahaa. O my mind, joyfully chant the Name of the Lord. ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਅਨਦੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਲੈ ਗੁਰਿ ਪੂਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਲਾਹਾ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ अनदिनु अनदु होवै वडभागी लै गुरि पूरै हरि लाहा ॥ रहाउ ॥ an-din anad hovai vadbhaagee lai gur poorai har laahaa. rahaa-o. Those very fortunate ones are in ecstasy night and day; through the Perfect Guru, they obtain the profit of the Lord's Name. ||Pause|| ਆਪੇ ਗੋਪੀ ਕਾਨੁ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਨਿ ਆਪੇ ਗਊ ਚਰਾਹਾ ॥ आपे गोपी कानु है पिआरा बनि आपे गऊ चराहा ॥ aapay gopee kaan hai pi-aaraa ban aapay ga-oo charaahaa. The Beloved Himself is the milk-maid and Krishna; He Himself herds the cows in the woods. ਆਪੇ ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਆਪੇ ਵੰਸੁ ਵਜਾਹਾ ॥ आपे सावल सुंदरा पिआरा आपे वंसु वजाहा ॥ aapay saaval sundraa pi-aaraa aapay vans vajaahaa. The Beloved Himself is the blue-skinned, handsome one; He Himself plays on His flute. ਕੁਵਲੀਆ ਪੀੜੁ ਆਪਿ ਮਰਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪਿ ਪਚਾਹਾ ॥੨॥ कुवलीआ पीड़ु आपि मराइदा पिआरा करि बालक रूपि पचाहा ॥२॥ kuvlee-aa peerh aap maraa-idaa pi-aaraa kar baalak roop pachaahaa. ||2|| The Beloved Himself took the form of a child, and destroyed Kuwalia-peer, the mad elephant. ||2|| ਆਪਿ ਅਖਾੜਾ ਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਆਪਿ ਚੋਜਾਹਾ ॥ आपि अखाड़ा पाइदा पिआरा करि वेखै आपि चोजाहा ॥ aap akhaarhaa paa-idaa pi-aaraa kar vaykhai aap chojaahaa. The Beloved Himself sets the stage; He performs the plays, and He Himself watches them. ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਚੰਡੂਰੁ ਕੰਸੁ ਕੇਸੁ ਮਾਰਾਹਾ ॥ करि बालक रूप उपाइदा पिआरा चंडूरु कंसु केसु माराहा ॥ kar baalak roop upaa-idaa pi-aaraa chandoor kans kays maaraahaa. The Beloved Himself assumed the form of the child, and killed the demons Chandoor, Kansa and Kaysee. ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਆਪਿ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਲੁ ਭੰਨੈ ਮੂਰਖ ਮੁਗਧਾਹਾ ॥੩॥ आपे ही बलु आपि है पिआरा बलु भंनै मूरख मुगधाहा ॥३॥ aapay hee bal aap hai pi-aaraa bal bhannai moorakh mugDhaahaa. ||3|| The Beloved Himself, by Himself, is the embodiment of power; He shatters the power of the fools and idiots. ||3|| ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਜਗਤੁ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਵਸਿ ਆਪੇ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਹਥਾਹਾ ॥ सभु आपे जगतु उपाइदा पिआरा वसि आपे जुगति हथाहा ॥ sabh aapay jagat upaa-idaa pi-aaraa vas aapay jugat hathaahaa. The Beloved Himself created the whole world. In His hands He holds the power of the ages. ਗਲਿ ਜੇਵੜੀ ਆਪੇ ਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਜਿਉ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਖਿੰਚੈ ਤਿਉ ਜਾਹਾ ॥ गलि जेवड़ी आपे पाइदा पिआरा जिउ प्रभु खिंचै तिउ जाहा ॥ gal jayvrhee aapay paa-idaa pi-aaraa ji-o parabh khinchai ti-o jaahaa. The Beloved Himself puts the chains around their necks; as God pulls them, must they go. ਜੋ ਗਰਬੈ ਸੋ ਪਚਸੀ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਜਪਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਭਗਤਿ ਸਮਾਹਾ ॥੪॥੬॥ जो गरबै सो पचसी पिआरे जपि नानक भगति समाहा ॥४॥६॥ jo garbai so pachsee pi-aaray jap naanak bhagat samaahaa. ||4||6|| Whoever harbors pride shall be destroyed, O Beloved; meditating on the Lord, Nanak is absorbed in devotional worship. ||4||6|| Das wants you to know that this is not interpoltion by Vaishav or Brhmanical but Attributes of Hindu diety being given to Akal and same is Given in Dasham Granth Sahib JI. If das want and use the method of Kala Afghana Sahib we can even prove Japu Ji Sahib as by some Brhimin. Better to understand Guru Granth Sahib first and God who is prasied upon and you will understand Dasham Granth there after. With due respect Das can say that Kala Afghana Sahib have so far not understood Guru Granth Sahib Ji and God over there. visit this page and you will get mnay answer about wrong interpetation of Gurbani by Both Amabala Sahib and Kala Afghana Ji. http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/controversia...ical-study.html Das is stil on job to document flaws being made by book on Dasham Granths by these two great Sikhs mentioned above. Akal bless you and enable you to recogansie the same in both good and evil.(Note as per Kala Afghan Sahib ,Japu Sahib also is not by Guru Maharaj and based upon an absurd interpetations of Guru Granth Sahib Ji). Das requsts you to give verse from Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Dasham Granthy Sahib Ji you find contradictory and das will remove your doubts here and now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhaman_s Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh Friend Vijaydeep i would request you to read complete Dasam Granth first and then only draw conclusions and compare it with Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Chaubis Avtar( Dasam granth) ਬਿਨੁ ਚੰਡ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਨਹੀ ਅੱਛਰ ਹਉ ਕਰਿ ਹੌਂ ॥ बिनु चंड क्रिपा तुमरी कबहूं मुख ते नही अछर हउ करि हौं ॥ O Chandi! I cannot utter a syllable from my mouth without Thy Grace; ਤੁਮਰੋ ਕਰ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਿਧੋ ਤੁਲਹਾ ਜਿਮ ਬਾਕ ਸਮੁੰਦ੍ਰ ਬਿਖੈ ਤਰਿਹੌਂ ॥੫॥ तुमरो कर नामु किधो तुलहा जिम बाक समुंद्र बिखै तरिहौं ॥५॥ I can ferry across the ocean of Poesy, on only the boat of Thy Name ਰੇ ਮਨ ਭਜ ਤੂੰ ਸਾਰਦਾ ਅਨਗਨ ਗੁਨ ਹੈ ਜਾਹਿ ॥ रे मन भज तूं सारदा अनगन गुन है जाहि ॥ O mind! Remember the goddess Sharda of innumerable qualities; ਰਚੌ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਇਹ ਭਾਗਵਤ ਜਉ ਵੈ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਾਹਿ ॥੬॥ रचौ ग्रंथ इह भागवत जउ वै क्रिपा कराहि ॥६॥ And if she be kind, I may compose this Granth (based on) Bhagavata ਸੰਕਟ ਹਰਨ ਸਭ ਸਿੱਧਕੀ ਕਰਨ ਚੰਡ ਤਾਰਨ ਤਰਨ ਸ਼ਰਨ ਲੋਚਨ ਬਿਸਾਲ ਹੈ ॥ संकट हरन सभ सिधकी करन चंड तारन तरन शरन लोचन बिसाल है ॥ The large-eyed Chandika is the remover of all sufferings, the donor of powers and support of the helpless in ferrying across the fearful ocean of the world; ਆਦਿ ਜਾਕੈ ਆਹਮ ਹੈ ਅੰਤ ਕੋ ਨ ਪਾਰਾਵਾਰ ਸ਼ਰਨ ਉਬਾਰਨ ਕਰਨ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲ ਹੈ ॥ आदि जाकै आहम है अंत को न पारावार शरन उबारन करन प्रतिपाल है ॥ It is difficult to know her beginning and end, she emancipates and sustains him, who takes refuge in her, ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰਨ ਅਨਿਕ ਭੁਖ ਜਾਰਨ ਸੋ ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਛਡਾਏ ਜਮਜਾਲ ਹੈ॥ असुर संघारन अनिक भुख जारन सो पतित उधारन छडाए जमजाल है॥ She destroys the demons, finishes various types of desires and saves from the noose of death; ਅੱਦ੍ਰ ਸੁਤਾ ਹੂੰ ਕੀ ਜੋ ਤਨਯਾ ਮਹਿਖਾਸੁਰ ਕੀ ਮਰਤਾ ਫੁਨਿ ਜੋਊ ॥ अद्र सुता हूं की जो तनया महिखासुर की मरता फुनि जोऊ ॥ She, who is the daughter of the mountain and the destroyer of Mahishasura; ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਕੋ ਰਾਜਹਿ ਕੀ ਦਿਵਯਾ ਕਰਤਾ ਬਧ ਸੁੰਭ ਨਿਸੁੰਭਹਿ ਦੋਊ ॥ इंद्र को राजहि की दिवया करता बध सु्मभ निसु्मभहि दोऊ ॥ She, who is the bestower of the kingdom on India by killing Sumbh and Nisumbh; ਜੋ ਜਪ ਕੈ ਇਹ ਸੇਵ ਕਰੈ ਬਰ ਕੋ ਸੁ ਲਹੈ ਮਨ ਇੱਛਤਾ ਸੋਊ ॥ जो जप कै इह सेव करै बर को सु लहै मन इछता सोऊ ॥ He, who remembers and serves her, he receives the reward to his heart`s desire, Now my dear friend Vijaydeep.....will Dasam Patshah forget the Akal Purkh and instaed praise the Devi and say that I cant utter a syllable from my mouth without your praise. WIll Dasam Patshah say that Chandika is the creator of everything and it is deifficult to know her beginning and End. No No my dear friend this is said and written by a cunning person and a Panth Dokhi.... and Chaupai ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰੀ ਹਮ ਪਰ ਜਗਮਾਤਾ ॥ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਕਰਾ ਪੂਰਨ ਸੁਭ ਰਾਤਾ ॥ क्रिपा करी हम पर जगमाता ॥ ग्रंथ करा पूरन सुभ राता ॥ The Mother of the world has been kind towards me and I have completed the book this auspicious night; and you my friend wnat to say that Dasam Patshah will say that Chandi is the Mother of the world instead of Akal Purkh Waheguru... Please Please my dear friend dont even try to drag us back into the Brahminical and Hindu hell.....from which we are out now since centuries by the grace of our Gurus and we have a Nyara Panth called Khalsa... And which authority do you have to say smething against Prof. Gurmukh Singh. Do you know that he was the man who dedicated his entire life for the purpose of resurgance of Khalsa Panth which at that time was full of Hindu and Brahminical influence....My dear friend it is because of Prof. Gurmukh Singh and persons like him (Giani Ditt Singh, Jawahar Singh etc.) that Khalsa Panth was revived and our gurudwaras got rid of Mahants and Pujaris ... my dear friend Vijaydeep, dont even dare to influence our Nyara Panth Khalsa with your Brahminical and RSS mindset. As you yourself say (in the forum that you have mentioned) that you have recently converted to Sikhism from Hinduism, so try to learn the basic tenets of Sikhism ...and remember we Sikhs now will not allow any Panth Dokhi organisations like RSS, Arya Samaj to have an evil eye on Sikh Panth Sat Sri Akal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted March 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Gurfateh Well das actualy loved Jingoism and it does work but not always. Das has realy read Dasham Granth and then did he gives his views. so does the Das starts. Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh Friend Vijaydeep i would request you to read complete Dasam Granth first and then only draw conclusions and compare it with Guru Granth Sahib Ji. so do not have to worry if das has read it or not but Das can say that Das finds flaws in the interpetations by Dr Jodh Singh,Jaggi Rattan Singh and Pandit Naryan Singh also. the way Fareedkoti Teeka of Guru Granth Sahib Ji may not be liked by some so do we can have that interpetations of Dasham Granth may be done wrong buut same can be done for Guru Granth Sahib JI. Chaubis Avtar( Dasam granth) ਬਿਨੁ ਚੰਡ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਨਹੀ ਅੱਛਰ ਹਉ ਕਰਿ ਹੌਂ ॥ बिनु चंड क्रिपा तुमरी कबहूं मुख ते नही अछर हउ करि हौं ॥ O Chandi! I cannot utter a syllable from my mouth without Thy Grace; ਤੁਮਰੋ ਕਰ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਿਧੋ ਤੁਲਹਾ ਜਿਮ ਬਾਕ ਸਮੁੰਦ੍ਰ ਬਿਖੈ ਤਰਿਹੌਂ ॥੫॥ तुमरो कर नामु किधो तुलहा जिम बाक समुंद्र बिखै तरिहौं ॥५॥ I can ferry across the ocean of Poesy, on only the boat of Thy Name ਰੇ ਮਨ ਭਜ ਤੂੰ ਸਾਰਦਾ ਅਨਗਨ ਗੁਨ ਹੈ ਜਾਹਿ ॥ रे मन भज तूं सारदा अनगन गुन है जाहि ॥ O mind! Remember the goddess Sharda of innumerable qualities; ਰਚੌ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਇਹ ਭਾਗਵਤ ਜਉ ਵੈ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਾਹਿ ॥੬॥ रचौ ग्रंथ इह भागवत जउ वै क्रिपा कराहि ॥६॥ And if she be kind, I may compose this Granth (based on) Bhagavata ਸੰਕਟ ਹਰਨ ਸਭ ਸਿੱਧਕੀ ਕਰਨ ਚੰਡ ਤਾਰਨ ਤਰਨ ਸ਼ਰਨ ਲੋਚਨ ਬਿਸਾਲ ਹੈ ॥ संकट हरन सभ सिधकी करन चंड तारन तरन शरन लोचन बिसाल है ॥ The large-eyed Chandika is the remover of all sufferings, the donor of powers and support of the helpless in ferrying across the fearful ocean of the world; ਆਦਿ ਜਾਕੈ ਆਹਮ ਹੈ ਅੰਤ ਕੋ ਨ ਪਾਰਾਵਾਰ ਸ਼ਰਨ ਉਬਾਰਨ ਕਰਨ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲ ਹੈ ॥ आदि जाकै आहम है अंत को न पारावार शरन उबारन करन प्रतिपाल है ॥ It is difficult to know her beginning and end, she emancipates and sustains him, who takes refuge in her, ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰਨ ਅਨਿਕ ਭੁਖ ਜਾਰਨ ਸੋ ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਛਡਾਏ ਜਮਜਾਲ ਹੈ॥ असुर संघारन अनिक भुख जारन सो पतित उधारन छडाए जमजाल है॥ She destroys the demons, finishes various types of desires and saves from the noose of death; ਅੱਦ੍ਰ ਸੁਤਾ ਹੂੰ ਕੀ ਜੋ ਤਨਯਾ ਮਹਿਖਾਸੁਰ ਕੀ ਮਰਤਾ ਫੁਨਿ ਜੋਊ ॥ अद्र सुता हूं की जो तनया महिखासुर की मरता फुनि जोऊ ॥ She, who is the daughter of the mountain and the destroyer of Mahishasura; ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਕੋ ਰਾਜਹਿ ਕੀ ਦਿਵਯਾ ਕਰਤਾ ਬਧ ਸੁੰਭ ਨਿਸੁੰਭਹਿ ਦੋਊ ॥ इंद्र को राजहि की दिवया करता बध सु्मभ निसु्मभहि दोऊ ॥ She, who is the bestower of the kingdom on India by killing Sumbh and Nisumbh; ਜੋ ਜਪ ਕੈ ਇਹ ਸੇਵ ਕਰੈ ਬਰ ਕੋ ਸੁ ਲਹੈ ਮਨ ਇੱਛਤਾ ਸੋਊ ॥ जो जप कै इह सेव करै बर को सु लहै मन इछता सोऊ ॥ He, who remembers and serves her, he receives the reward to his heart`s desire, so das realy feels ashamed that person like you just giove only oone portion and then do not give portion before them and after them else you could have Got the thing clered in your mind. ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਅਬ ਬਰਣੋ ਕਿਸ਼ਨਾ ਅਵਤਾਰੂ ॥ ਜੈਸ ਭਾਂਤ ਬਰੁ ਧਰਯੋ ਮੁਰਾਰੂ ॥ अब बरणो किशना अवतारू ॥ जैस भांत बरु धरयो मुरारू ॥ No I describe the Krishna incarnation as to how he assumed the physical form; ਪਰਮ ਪਾਪ ਤੇ ਭੂਮ ਡਰਾਨੀ ॥ ਡਗਮਗਾਤ ਬਿਧ ਤੀਰ ਸਿਧਾਨੀ ॥੧॥ परम पाप ते भूम डरानी ॥ डगमगात बिध तीर सिधानी ॥१॥ The earth, with unsteady gait, reached near the Lord.1. ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਗਯੋ ਛੀਰ ਨਿਧ ਜਹਾਂ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਇਸਥਿਤ ਥੇ ਤਹਾਂ ॥ ब्रहमा गयो छीर निध जहां ॥ काल पुरख इसथित थे तहां ॥ Amidst the milk-ocean, where the Immanent Lord was seated, Brahma reached there; ਕਹਯੋ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਕਹ ਨਿਕਟ ਬੁਲਾਈ ॥ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਧਰੋ ਤੁਮ ਜਾਈ ॥੨॥ कहयो बिशन कह निकट बुलाई ॥ क्रिशन अवतार धरो तुम जाई ॥२॥ The Lord called Vishnu near Him and said, "You go to the earth and assume the form of Krishna incarnation.2. ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ दोहरा ॥ DOHRA ਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੇ ਬਚਨ ਤੇ ਸੰਤਨ ਹੇਤ ਸਹਾਇ ॥ ਮਥਰਾ ਮੰਡਲ ਕੇ ਬਿਖੈ ਜਨਮ ਧਰਯੋ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇ ॥੩॥ काल पुरख के बचन ते संतन हेत सहाइ ॥ मथरा मंडल के बिखै जनम धरयो हरि राइ ॥३॥ Vishnu took birth in Mathura area for the welfare of saints, on receiving the orders of the Loard.3. ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਜੇ ਜੇ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਦਿਖਾਏ ॥ ਦਸਮ ਬੀਚ ਸਭ ਭਾਖ ਸੁਨਾਏ ॥ जे जे किशन चरित्र दिखाए ॥ दसम बीच सभ भाख सुनाए ॥ The sportive plays exhibited by Krishna, have been described in the tenth skandh; ਗਯਾਰਾ ਸਹਸ ਬਾਨਵੇ ਛਂੰਦਾ ॥ ਕਹੇ ਦਸਮ ਪੁਰ ਬੈਠ ਅਨੰਦਾ ॥੪॥ गयारा सहस बानवे छंंदा ॥ कहे दसम पुर बैठ अनंदा ॥४॥ There are eleven thousand and ninety-two stanzas in respect of Krishna incarnation in the tenth skandh.4. ਭਾਗ भाग SECTION ਅਥ ਦੇਵੀ ਜੂ ਕੀ ਉਸਤਤ ਕਥਨੰ ॥ अथ देवी जू की उसतत कथनं ॥ Now begins the description in praise of the goddess ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ ॥ स्वैया ॥ SWAYYA ਹੋਇ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਹਮ ਪੈ ਤੁ ਸਭੈ ਸਗਨੰਗੁਨ ਹੀ ਧਰਿਹੋਂ ॥ होइ क्रिपा तुमरी हम पै तु सभै सगनंगुन ही धरिहों ॥ On receiving Thy Grace, I shall assume all the virtues; ਜੀਅ ਧਾਰ ਬਿਚਾਰ ਤਬੈ ਬਰ ਬੁੱਧਿ ਮਹਾਂ ਅਗਨੰਗੁਨ ਕੋ ਹਰਿਹੌਂ ॥ जीअ धार बिचार तबै बर बुधि महां अगनंगुन को हरिहौं ॥ I shall destroy all the vices, ruminating on Thy attributes in my mind; ਬਿਨੁ ਚੰਡ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਨਹੀ ਅੱਛਰ ਹਉ ਕਰਿ ਹੌਂ ॥ बिनु चंड क्रिपा तुमरी कबहूं मुख ते नही अछर हउ करि हौं ॥ O Chandi! I cannot utter a syllable from my mouth without Thy Grace; and there after does all other things as you mentioned started. But can you give what does it means in Gurugrantyh Sahib Ji before pointing about this so called flaw in Dasham Granth Sahib Ji, just look one verse from Bhagat Namdev Ji over here. ਨਾਮੇ ਕੇ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਸੀਅ ਬਹੋਰੀ ਲੰਕ ਭਭੀਖਣ ਆਪਿਓ ਹੋ ॥੪॥੨॥ नामे के सुआमी सीअ बहोरी लंक भभीखण आपिओ हो ॥४॥२॥ naamay kay su-aamee see-a bahoree lank bhabheekhan aapi-o ho. ||4||2|| Naam Dayv's Lord Master brought Sita back, and gave Sri Lanka to Bhabheekhan. ||4||2|| Ang 657 so this could again be a sort of attmept of Brhimn or RSS to imnterpoltate Guru Granth Sahib Ji. By the way in Japu Ji sahib Guru Issar Guru Gorakh Barma Guru Parvati Mai also interpolation.Ie Guru is Brhama,Vishnu,Mahesh and Parvati(Devi). So its upto you. so comting to your misiinterpetations neither in Guru Granth Sahib or in Dasham Granth deity is recogansied but their actions or attributes are attributed to Akal Purakh and does das gives you explnation rember if you do not agree to interpetaion of Dasham Granth as per Gurmat then why should you expect others to belive in similar interpetations of relative terms of Guru Granth Sahib Ji,is that not a sort of hypocry. So das write your thing in detail ਚੌਬੀਸ ਅਉਤਾਰ चौबीस अउतार CHAUBIS AVTAR (Twenty-Four Gods) ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹ ॥ वाहिगुरू जी की फ़तह ॥ The Lord is one and the Victory is of the Lord. 9this givne here just to say that all was vcitory of Akal and actual doer is Akal so victory of Akal). ਭਾਗ भाग SECTION ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਅਬ ਬਰਣੋ ਕਿਸ਼ਨਾ ਅਵਤਾਰੂ ॥ ਜੈਸ ਭਾਂਤ ਬਰੁ ਧਰਯੋ ਮੁਰਾਰੂ ॥ अब बरणो किशना अवतारू ॥ जैस भांत बरु धरयो मुरारू ॥ No I describe the Krishna incarnation as to how he assumed the physical form; (the way Blessing was given/held by killer of myness/ego ie Murar ie Akal so by that blsiing of Akal does description of Krisdhna Avtar is being given). ਪਰਮ ਪਾਪ ਤੇ ਭੂਮ ਡਰਾਨੀ ॥ ਡਗਮਗਾਤ ਬਿਧ ਤੀਰ ਸਿਧਾਨੀ ॥੧॥ परम पाप ते भूम डरानी ॥ डगमगात बिध तीर सिधानी ॥१॥ The earth, with unsteady gait, reached near the Lord.1. (by super sins Erath was unhappy and went to the corner of Brahma in a giddy way). It means also that earth had inbalnce and mattter contraols(brahma) were contacted by earth ie like organism does earth does trey to take care of inbalcenses.Sin clould be something trying to undermine the balance of earth. ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਗਯੋ ਛੀਰ ਨਿਧ ਜਹਾਂ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਇਸਥਿਤ ਥੇ ਤਹਾਂ ॥ ब्रहमा गयो छीर निध जहां ॥ काल पुरख इसथित थे तहां ॥ Amidst the milk-ocean, where the Immanent Lord was seated, Brahma reached there; (this may mean that Brhama reached the trasure of milk or it can be refered as sea of milk.Just loook till last post you did say that it was Shiva but shiva lives in Kailash but here we have seen abode of Vishnu at ocean of sea. what guru tells here is that if ocean of milk is there then only Akal lives there. Put what actualy does it means. Well that is that Matter in turn contacted treasure of purity(Milk) as Ksheer isymbol of Good and purity and due to able to get purity of it from water swaan is called good Bebeckiie(person able to bring out the differance between good and bad).and such human at super state is refered as Paramhans or Super swan. So matter went to pure for of energy.) ਕਹਯੋ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਕਹ ਨਿਕਟ ਬੁਲਾਈ ॥ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਧਰੋ ਤੁਮ ਜਾਈ ॥੨॥ कहयो बिशन कह निकट बुलाई ॥ क्रिशन अवतार धरो तुम जाई ॥२॥ The Lord called Vishnu near Him and said, "You go to the earth and assume the form of Krishna incarnation.2. ( as Brahma went himself to place then there is no question of Brahma calling Vishnu but Lord did call Vishnu) That means that super enrgy did bring in subjective(visya based) energy to take action and that energy also had matter(vishais) with it. ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ दोहरा ॥ DOHRA ਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੇ ਬਚਨ ਤੇ ਸੰਤਨ ਹੇਤ ਸਹਾਇ ॥ ਮਥਰਾ ਮੰਡਲ ਕੇ ਬਿਖੈ ਜਨਮ ਧਰਯੋ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇ ॥੩॥ काल पुरख के बचन ते संतन हेत सहाइ ॥ मथरा मंडल के बिखै जनम धरयो हरि राइ ॥३॥ Vishnu took birth in Mathura area for the welfare of saints, on receiving the orders of the Loard.3. (Mathra Mandal may aslo means area of churing ie invisible area where various reactions take place) ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਜੇ ਜੇ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਦਿਖਾਏ ॥ ਦਸਮ ਬੀਚ ਸਭ ਭਾਖ ਸੁਨਾਏ ॥ जे जे किशन चरित्र दिखाए ॥ दसम बीच सभ भाख सुनाए ॥ The sportive plays exhibited by Krishna, have been described in the tenth skandh; (here it is strange that people are talking of Tenth Sakdha while das could understand that writer is talking about Pinial gland or Dasham Dwar as at one stage speed of light is overcome there and person can trevel in time and what actualy had happened in past was been told by that method by writer). ਗਯਾਰਾ ਸਹਸ ਬਾਨਵੇ ਛਂੰਦਾ ॥ ਕਹੇ ਦਸਮ ਪੁਰ ਬੈਠ ਅਨੰਦਾ ॥੪॥ गयारा सहस बानवे छंंदा ॥ कहे दसम पुर बैठ अनंदा ॥४॥ There are eleven thousand and ninety-two stanzas in respect of Krishna incarnation in the tenth skandh.4. (again towen of Ten may also mean the same). ਭਾਗ भाग SECTION ਅਥ ਦੇਵੀ ਜੂ ਕੀ ਉਸਤਤ ਕਥਨੰ ॥ अथ देवी जू की उसतत कथनं ॥ Now begins the description in praise of the goddess (rember here from now that Akal is alread yrefered to be actual devi not once but more then once see below ਕਹੂੰ ਦੇਵੀਅੰ ਦੇਵਤੰ ਦਈਤ ਰੂਪੰ ॥ ਕਹੂੰ ਰੂਪ ਅਨੇਕ ਧਾਰੇ ਅਨੂਪੰ ॥੧੧॥ कहूं देवीअं देवतं दईत रूपं ॥ कहूं रूप अनेक धारे अनूपं ॥११॥ Somewhere He manifests Himself as a goddess, god and demon. Somewhere He appears in several unique forms.11. and that also in Vachitar Natak which is considered contraversial and then also in Akal Ustat ਕਹੂੰ ਦੇਵਬਾਨੀ ਕਹੂੰ ਸਾਰਦਾ ਭਵਾਨੀ ਕਹੂੰ ਮੰਗਲਾ ਮਿੜਾਨੀ ਕਹੂੰ ਸਿਆਮ ਕਹੂੰ ਸੇਤ ਹੋ ॥ कहूं देवबानी कहूं सारदा भवानी कहूं मंगला मिड़ानी कहूं सिआम कहूं सेत हो ॥ Somewhere Thou art the divine speech, somewhere Sarada and Bhavani, somewhere Durga, the trampler of corpses, somewhere in black colour and somewhere in white colour. And Laslty sse this ਪੰਨਾ 2, ਸਤਰ 9 ਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ ॥ गुरु ईसरु गुरु गोरखु बरमा गुरु पारबती माई ॥ gur eesar gur gorakh barmaa gur paarbatee maa-ee. The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi. ਮਃ 1 but you will not understand.If Akal is gender less then why can not it be Devi also other then bieng Devi.Deva word is oftern appeared for Akal as below ਪੰਨਾ 265, ਸਤਰ 2 ਨਾਨਕ ਪੂਜੈ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਦੇਵਾ ॥੬॥ नानक पूजै हरि हरि देवा ॥६॥ naanak poojai har har dayvaa. ||6|| O Nanak, worship the Lord, the Lord Divine, Har, Har. ||6|| ਮਃ 5 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok ਪੰਨਾ 217, ਸਤਰ 7 ਪੂਜਾ ਅਰਚਾ ਬੰਦਨ ਦੇਵਾ ਜੀਉ ॥ पूजा अरचा बंदन देवा जीउ ॥ poojaa archaa bandan dayvaa jee-o. O Divine Lord, I worship and adore You; I bow down before You. ਮਃ 5 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Adn evi also imrege as singing glory of God and at one realm also. ਪੰਨਾ 6, ਸਤਰ 7 ਗਾਵਹਿ ਈਸਰੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਦੇਵੀ ਸੋਹਨਿ ਸਦਾ ਸਵਾਰੇ ॥ गावहि ईसरु बरमा देवी सोहनि सदा सवारे ॥ gaavahi eesar barmaa dayvee sohan sadaa savaaray. Shiva, Brahma and the Goddess of Beauty, ever adorned, sing. ਮਃ 1 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok ਪੰਨਾ 7, ਸਤਰ 17 ਕੇਤੇ ਸਿਧ ਬੁਧ ਨਾਥ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਦੇਵੀ ਵੇਸ ॥ केते सिध बुध नाथ केते केते देवी वेस ॥ kaytay siDh buDh naath kaytay kaytay dayvee vays. So many Siddhas and Buddhas, so many Yogic masters. So many goddesses of various kinds. ਮਃ 1 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok And praising any form of Lord can not be Bad at all. and why does it was been done we see futher. ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ ॥ स्वैया ॥ SWAYYA ਹੋਇ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਹਮ ਪੈ ਤੁ ਸਭੈ ਸਗਨੰਗੁਨ ਹੀ ਧਰਿਹੋਂ ॥ होइ क्रिपा तुमरी हम पै तु सभै सगनंगुन ही धरिहों ॥ On receiving Thy Grace, I shall assume all the virtues; Read the correct interpetation now (when you did mercy on us,you possed with qualties(attribute)) ie Sangangun or Saguna)God did mercy on Guru(again one with God in the form of one with qualtieis(plural) here god is termed as Sabhai(all) Sagan(with) Gun(qaulties) so God of Guru was with all Qualtieis and negtive term for this is Nirguna oftern refeered in Vedanta but not in us.) so actual explnation as follow Yuo did mercy on us,you only posses all qualties within .(see smal oa and not au in end). ਜੀਅ ਧਾਰ ਬਿਚਾਰ ਤਬੈ ਬਰ ਬੁੱਧਿ ਮਹਾਂ ਅਗਨੰਗੁਨ ਕੋ ਹਰਿਹੌਂ ॥ जीअ धार बिचार तबै बर बुधि महां अगनंगुन को हरिहौं ॥ I shall destroy all the vices, ruminating on Thy attributes in my mind; ਬਿਨੁ ਚੰਡ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਨਹੀ ਅੱਛਰ ਹਉ ਕਰਿ ਹੌਂ ॥ बिनु चंड क्रिपा तुमरी कबहूं मुख ते नही अछर हउ करि हौं ॥ O Chandi! I cannot utter a syllable from my mouth without Thy Grace; here this is another wrong interpetations as term Chand is refred and not Chandi. Here Chand does refer to speed or superio qaulity(Ati Dut Prachand). In your Punjabi Chand does not mean godess but a slap on the face and God is in fact slap on the face of Guru Dokhis.Speed is one name of God and that is Chand. ਤੁਮਰੋ ਕਰ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਿਧੋ ਤੁਲਹਾ ਜਿਮ ਬਾਕ ਸਮੁੰਦ੍ਰ ਬਿਖੈ ਤਰਿਹੌਂ ॥੫॥ तुमरो कर नामु किधो तुलहा जिम बाक समुंद्र बिखै तरिहौं ॥५॥ I can ferry across the ocean of Poesy, on only the boat of Thy Name ਰੇ ਮਨ ਭਜ ਤੂੰ ਸਾਰਦਾ ਅਨਗਨ ਗੁਨ ਹੈ ਜਾਹਿ ॥ रे मन भज तूं सारदा अनगन गुन है जाहि ॥ O mind! Remember the goddess Sharda of innumerable qualities; Rember that in Akal ustat Akal is refred as Sarda but what does it means. Sa(with)Ra(stay)Da(give) gift which stays for ever and that is education and education is also God and what proeblem do you have if God is refred to as education. Das realy find strange that the way he has to teach protestant Chrsitians the Gurmat in the same way does he tells the fellow sikhs who oppose Dasham Granth Sahib JI. ਰਚੌ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਇਹ ਭਾਗਵਤ ਜਉ ਵੈ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਾਹਿ ॥੬॥ रचौ ग्रंथ इह भागवत जउ वै क्रिपा कराहि ॥६॥ And if she be kind, I may compose this Granth (based on) Bhagavata (this book is created,Vagina/source/Bhag posser who that did mercy) Granth is created by mercy of creator. ਸੰਕਟ ਹਰਨ ਸਭ ਸਿੱਧਕੀ ਕਰਨ ਚੰਡ ਤਾਰਨ ਤਰਨ ਸ਼ਰਨ ਲੋਚਨ ਬਿਸਾਲ ਹੈ ॥ संकट हरन सभ सिधकी करन चंड तारन तरन शरन लोचन बिसाल है ॥ The large-eyed Chandika is the remover of all sufferings, the donor of powers and support of the helpless in ferrying across the fearful ocean of the world; Again Chand ie Akal is refered here and if you talk of eyes then,Kripa Katakh ie eyes of mercy for Akal in guru Granth Sahib Ji. why eys gigantic is writtan here for God as it is metaphor for God can see everything so with the largest eye. ਆਦਿ ਜਾਕੈ ਆਹਮ ਹੈ ਅੰਤ ਕੋ ਨ ਪਾਰਾਵਾਰ ਸ਼ਰਨ ਉਬਾਰਨ ਕਰਨ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲ ਹੈ ॥ आदि जाकै आहम है अंत को न पारावार शरन उबारन करन प्रतिपाल है ॥ It is difficult to know her beginning and end, she emancipates and sustains him, who takes refuge in her, This is again used for God as Devi was made by various gods so start of devi is know and again told in Durga Ki var as been made by Akal only but this one is limitless so Akal. ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰਨ ਅਨਿਕ ਭੁਖ ਜਾਰਨ ਸੋ ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਛਡਾਏ ਜਮਜਾਲ ਹੈ॥ असुर संघारन अनिक भुख जारन सो पतित उधारन छडाए जमजाल है॥ She destroys the demons, finishes various types of desires and saves from the noose of death; again this is for Akal. ਅੱਦ੍ਰ ਸੁਤਾ ਹੂੰ ਕੀ ਜੋ ਤਨਯਾ ਮਹਿਖਾਸੁਰ ਕੀ ਮਰਤਾ ਫੁਨਿ ਜੋਊ ॥ अद्र सुता हूं की जो तनया महिखासुर की मरता फुनि जोऊ ॥ She, who is the daughter of the mountain and the destroyer of Mahishasura; doughter of humidity is that(or) Doughter who killed Mahekhasur again that.It may meand Parvati or Amba(two are differnat as one is doaughter of Parvatraj while other was made by powers givne by various demigod to kill Maheeshsur as union of various powers). Guru tells that in real Parvati or Amba both are that(Akal). ਕੁਵਲੀਆ ਪੀੜੁ ਆਪਿ ਮਰਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪਿ ਪਚਾਹਾ ॥੨॥ कुवलीआ पीड़ु आपि मराइदा पिआरा करि बालक रूपि पचाहा ॥२॥ kuvlee-aa peerh aap maraa-idaa pi-aaraa kar baalak roop pachaahaa. ||2|| The Beloved Himself took the form of a child, and destroyed Kuwalia-peer, the mad elephant. ||2|| Ang606 and 607 of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਕੋ ਰਾਜਹਿ ਕੀ ਦਿਵਯਾ ਕਰਤਾ ਬਧ ਸੁੰਭ ਨਿਸੁੰਭਹਿ ਦੋਊ ॥ इंद्र को राजहि की दिवया करता बध सु्मभ निसु्मभहि दोऊ ॥ She, who is the bestower of the kingdom on India by killing Sumbh and Nisumbh; Akal only gave kingdom to arch angel and killed Sumbha and Nisumbha. ਜੋ ਜਪ ਕੈ ਇਹ ਸੇਵ ਕਰੈ ਬਰ ਕੋ ਸੁ ਲਹੈ ਮਨ ਇੱਛਤਾ ਸੋਊ ॥ जो जप कै इह सेव करै बर को सु लहै मन इछता सोऊ ॥ He, who remembers and serves her, he receives the reward to his heart`s desire, (one who rembers and serves Akal does get intened fruit/blessing).As salvation occur. Now my dear friend Vijaydeep.....will Dasam Patshah forget the Akal Purkh and instaed praise the Devi and say that I cant utter a syllable from my mouth without your praise. WIll Dasam Patshah say that Chandika is the creator of everything and it is deifficult to know her beginning and End. No No my dear friend this is said and written by a cunning person and a Panth Dokhi.... here Guru did not forget Akal but you have and so anyone who forgets Akal does looses the place from Panth but you are not to be balmed but akal wants you to act like that.Guru clearly tells that actual acts of Devi are from Akal and Akal has all the qaulities.Das hope you lost a bit of Duja Bhav or duality. and Chaupai ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰੀ ਹਮ ਪਰ ਜਗਮਾਤਾ ॥ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਕਰਾ ਪੂਰਨ ਸੁਭ ਰਾਤਾ ॥ क्रिपा करी हम पर जगमाता ॥ ग्रंथ करा पूरन सुभ राता ॥ The Mother of the world has been kind towards me and I have completed the book this auspicious night; yuo forget about few thing before and After. Sabre embleme I (am) in refuge of you and by your hand(Sir Upper Kar is aslo in guru Granth Sahib Ji) salvage me,in all places help me,Save me from evil faults. then it comes Mercy was done on me by mother of iuniverse and Book(this is perhaps Sumat Prakash dealiing with Triya Charitat and now clubbed in Dasham Granth(in past there was a conflict to weather to keep various Granths as one or to separate them but not about aouther who was verylyy Guru and S. Mahitab Singh made it to be united as one) ) so mother of univere did mercy on us and book was compled with asupicty (rata may not mean night but also mean staying). Then Kilbhikh Sabhe Deh Ko Harta(all evils of body remover) Dust Dokhian Ko Chhai Karta(eliminator of evil defualter) had this been a female sex then it should have been Harti and Karti but let it even be Karti or Harti Thehn next liine Sri Asidhuj Jab Bhaye Dayala(wwhen Sabre embleme became mercyfull) Puran Kara Granth Tatkala(Book was compled at that time only). so das hope that Jagat Mata and Kargketu,Asiketu,Asidhuj both means the sabe emblem and that is one whose flag does Sabre(swrod without round holder ie Khanda) exsists. And Flag of Devi has Swatika on it. or perhaps Trishul. at star also term Sri Asiket Jagat Ke Issa(Sir Sabre emblum Lord of universe) and Sri Asiket Jagat Ke Natha(Same thing)does comes in same Chaupayee. by the way if we see guru Granth Sahib when Akal is refered as Tu Mera Pita Tu hai Mera Mata(Yuo are my father and you are my mother) Tum Mat Pita Hum Bareek Tere(you are our father and mother and we are your childern) Har Ji Mata Har Ji Pita(God is mother ,God is Father). so that all also perhaps touch about Devi Chandika if we go by you. It is male chuovisim that Grils are forced to be takening amrit and keski but god can never be addressed as feamle but as male only. not your fault but protestant influnecs as thier god is male and made man as his image and women came later from rib. So you are realy proestant more then to be a Sikh. and you my friend wnat to say that Dasam Patshah will say that Chandi is the Mother of the world instead of Akal Purkh Waheguru... Chand/Durga/Chandi/Bhavani all are name of Gurbar Akal and that is mother of universe rahter both mother and Father.If Akal can be Baap(Father) Beethla(Super space God)(Guru Granth Sahib Ji) then why not not Jagat Mata. Das requset you to do not ry to be like Dasham Patshah till you do not understand the concept of the God he worshipped and was with the same or else das does not want to dishurtens you as yet. Please Please my dear friend dont even try to drag us back into the Brahminical and Hindu hell..... yuo still have that hell in your mind as a fear factor which is keeping you away from Akal. from which we are out now since centuries by the grace of our Gurus and we have a Nyara Panth called Khalsa... Had you been nyra or detached then you would not have had fear of hindus or Brahmins which you call hell. And which authority do you have to say smething against Prof. Gurmukh Singh. Do you know that he was the man who dedicated his entire life for the purpose of resurgance of Khalsa Panth which at that time was full of Hindu and Brahminical influence.... He was full of jatt influnce and das finds same a bit in you. Read the book on Singh Sabh movement by Sikh missioany collage and you will find that Prof Gurmukh Singh was partial to jatt students.He even took help with that Brahimin converted to Sikhism who was the main reason of defeat of Sikhs in Anglo Sikh war and das has full right to question. Das is aware that actual good for panth was done more by Bhai Veer Singh Ji or Bhai Randheer Singh Ji or Dr Sahib Singh or Sri 108 Kahan Singh Ji of Nabha and das finds no problem to raise finger on Prof Gurmukh Singh ji ,when Sikh missionary collage can raise the same in thier book. My dear friend it is because of Prof. Gurmukh Singh and persons like him (Giani Ditt Singh, Jawahar Singh etc.) that Khalsa Panth was revived and our gurudwaras got rid of Mahants and Pujaris ... no it was done at later stage and mina part was played by both traditon Nihungs and neo Akalis and offf couse Nirmalas and Taksal also. my dear friend Vijaydeep, dont even dare to influence our Nyara Panth Khalsa with your Brahminical and RSS mindset. Das is Sikh and is daring what Guru orders him to dare and if you call it brahminical or RSS then you may call it.And do what so ever you can do,you may kill das but das will never doubt Guruneither in Raagmala nor in Gurbani of Tenth Master,Das is happy that you have doubt because das is aware that by this Guru has forsaken you and your coming gegerations will loose pnth like our brother plamb of sikhtimes.com. So far you have proved yourself much away from nyrapan(Detachment) and Khalas(purly understadning God in all).By the way das would like to know that from which book you get word Khalsa?Do you know? and do not feel frustrated. As you yourself say (in the forum that you have mentioned) that you have recently converted to Sikhism from Hinduism, It has been more then 8 years. and by the way Prof Sahib Singh Ji,Gyani Bhag Singh Ji Ambala etc all were also converts so was Swami Ram Tirath Singh.So does it mean that beo converts are all naive so does it mean Bhai Nand Lal Singh also.so mnay points if we see by neo convertees are usless then whole book by Amabala Sahib becomes absurd on this account.Again upto you. so try to learn the basic tenets of Sikhism ... but are you sure about the basic principle of Gurmat if yes then describe our god first if you can?Do you know who is your God?Where doe that God lives? and what all does that God do? Tell das about the God of Sikhs first and then let us disicde that who knows Panth better anyway das does not know anything but Akal knows all and is in all. and remember we Sikhs now will not allow any Panth Dokhi organisations like RSS, Arya Samaj to have an evil eye on Sikh Panth Sat Sri Akal very great very great! but do you know that amabala Sahib may also have been from same Arya Samaj.anyway you do not have to be frustrated as Das has eaten beef which you may not tased as yet(from your anger das finds you from more nerar AkJ the Kala Afghana Sahib as they do not go for jingoism but tlak logic). and anyone who is reconverted or converted in gurmat from hindus das generaly recomends eating of beef,eating meat on tuesdays just to prove that,that person is not an imposter.Anyway old scrioptures of Vedas also do not oppose such food. We are near to Holy Vedas but nerarer Holy Bible and nearest to Holy Kuran but first we need to understand Guru Granth Sahib Ji first. anyway fi you are from Kala Afghana Sahib then das would like to tell you that das is a real fan of him and after consulting still we can have deeper meaning of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Verses of Dasham Granth Sahib much nearer to those interpetations. When das gets the cahnce to visit Canada or weather Kala Afghana Sahib visit India das will try to meet him. But the way you have ignored the referance givne by Guru Granth Sahib Ji bu das inprevious posts and shown the anger das due to past in intelligence angency of India can say that you have some infulince of JS Talwara syndrome of AKJ but not AKJ people are like that. In fact many of the AKJ people helped das tounderstand Japu Sahib,Chaupayee Sahib,Ardas and Vachitar Natak and have been das's role model.So just try to be like them as Bhai Randheer Singh Ji also lied both Chaupayee Sahib and Ardas also and das has documentray prrof of that. So cool down and stop acting like child. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amrit1972 Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 The 'Prakash' and reading of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji was in practice even before the RSS was organised. So, there is no need see the RSS's hand behind Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji. Do not bring the AKJ in this debate. Bhai Randheer Singh was not against Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted March 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Gurfateh Brother Amritpal Singh Ji, Das is sorry to mention about AKJ but it did happen that some of thier people living in abroad do tagg all those who have faith in Dasham Granth as rss agent,while majority of them themselves have devotion for said Granth. Another thing could be that those people are not at all from AKJ who oppse Dasham Granth Ji but just want to bring Bad name to the organisation. Das did talked about this to one of his brother from AKJ and who instructed Das that Bharam Bekh Te Rahe Niara So Khalsa Satigur Hamara and there should be no Bharam or doubt about Tenth Master Bani. Das did contacted him after someone who was a stounch opponent of Dasham Granth claimed afiliation to AKJ and di used similar accusitions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amrit1972 Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 There are people in the AKJ, who oppose a part of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib; even then we cannot say that the AKJ itself opposes it. So, if a person from the AKJ opposes Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, it does not mean that the AKJ itself opposes Sri Dasam Granth Sahib. Bhai Sahib Bhai Harbans Singh Ji is originally from AKJ background. He believes in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib and Sri Ragmala. Also, there are more than one factions of the AKJ. One is led by Bhai Baldev Singh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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