Sikhism - Sutak, Chaliya, Astrology, Grahan, Puranmashi, Hair, Diet Etc.

[das]

First and foremost here are the definitions:
- Sutak: It is certain period after the Birth or Death of a person. Mostly it is around 1.25 months (or roughly around 40 days).
- Chaliya: It is the 40 day period in which certain thing is certain way continously for that period with strict discipline.
- Astrology: Study of the movements and relative positions of celestial bodies interpreted as having an influence on human affairs and the natural world.
- Grahan: It is Eclipse where planets enter the shadowy region of the planet and block the view of that planet either partially or totally e.g Sun or Moon Eclipse.
- Puranmashi: When the moon is full.

Now, every now and then certain things are being debated in Sikhism e.g:
- Chaliya is not accepted in Sikhism whereas in the history one could easily find the references where Chaliya did bring good results. (i.e doing certain Path in certain way for 40 days).
- Sikhs do not believe in vaham-bharam like Grahan/Eclipse, Fast etc. whereas from the scientific point of view; watching Ecilpse with naked eyes does bring damage to eyes and keeping Fast does bring good health in certain cases.
- Sikhs do not believe in Puranmashi because all days and nights are created by God; whereas in the puratan time one can easily find references to such events and mostly Spiritual discourses are given on those periods etc.

Before diving into the debate of Sikhs do not believe in this or that VS does believe, let's first see the 2 different points of view:

OUR point of view or say where we're NOW?
- We are within the bounds of this Universe i.e within the set of some rules.
- In other words, we're within the bubble and NOT outside.
- We are within the bounds of Kaal/Mind/Owner-of-this-Universe and Maya/Matrix/Illusion.
- We always forget that this universe has certain set of rules which cannot be bent unless Guru's Grace/Kirpa is involved.

GURU GRANTH SAHIB'S JI point of view or say from where HE is talking about?
- HE is outside the bubble (even though the energy required by the bubble is being provided by HIM).
- In other words, whatsoever is described in Guru Granth Sahib Ji is about: How to break the bubble WHILE inside the bubble.

People these days mix the 2 points of view or get attached to one point of view or another without relizing the complexity. So, I'm talking the example of Sutak to explain the facts and the same could be applied to: Equality of Man/Woman, Chaliya, Astrology, Grahan, Puranmashi, Hair, Diet, Tantar, and so on and on......

SO, LET's TAKE THE EXAMPLE of SUTAK: Please read without prejudice.

- Sutak does bring impurity and during that time that person's aura (energy field) is low/thin and therefore it is easy for negative entities (your call it ghost/demons or whatever you wish) to use the energy from those Souls.
e.g A newly born child (male or female) is prone to this, so is the mother. As per the Tantar vadiya, during those times (sutak) it's very easy to control that's person's energy.
e.g It is suggested for new mother (till 40 days) NOT to visit any funeral because she would have low energy and could easily be possesed by negative entities.
e.g It is also suggested that NO one visits the newly born child for 40 days and it's only after 40 days the child is taken out to religious place and given the offical name.
e.g It is suggested to take physical bath after visiting the funeral of anyone.
e.g It is suggested that the person effected with Sutak not to be part of any hawan/homa (religious rituals) because those hawans/homas are perfomed for the blessings from the trinity (or any of the sub-oridinates) and such trinity are also bound of these rules and won't offer blessings if you're not following rules.

The above mentioned things about Sutak are limited set of rules which govern the working of this Universe. These set of rules could easily be confirmed by any good Psychic or anyone who can see the Auras. It could also be confirmed by " " glass (used to view another world but banned these days). or else one can use technology like Kirlian photography, BioPhoton, Chiren etc. to prove the things.

- Now, from another point of view. ;i.e outside the bubble, Sutak SHOULD NOT be considered because the rules are meant for the universe and NOT for the God's home and if we blindly start following all rules WITHOUT thinking about the real home, then we're bound to be trapped within the bubble. The rules are created by the Kaal in order to keep this universe going and keep us trapped.

SO, THE BOTTOM LINE IS:
- If you're aware of some rules, then use it towards the higher goal (breaking the bond); Also, if some rule is holding the person to perform something good towards higher goal, then break the damn-rule. So, it's not black-and-white. The best option is to JUST FOLLOW THE GURU BUT IN TRUE SENSE. Just keep in mind that we cannot revolt against the system as that is the base of our survial but at the same time, we HAVE to use the system for the higher purpose. Use it and then leave it. You just cannot gripe about everything being vaham-bharam and at the same time living in the same system.

e.g One should be aware that during Puranmashi (full moon day), there is heightened activity of the mind; if this heightened activity of the mind is channeled properly by Spiritual discourses or Satsang, then it would be helpful towards the higher goal (breaking bound). There is no point in wasting time and taking special care not to visit the Gurdwara on that day to prove that we are THE real Sikhs who considers every day as equal. At the same time it is also foolish to keep repeating that Puranmashi has special signifiance but not doing anything in order to cultivate that energy.

e.g One should be aware that meat does incur more karmic debit as compared to vegetarian stuff, so it's best to go with vegetarian stuff. But you're in some area where there is no access to vegetarian stuff then keep in mind that meat is also an option; after-all in order to survive in this world one has to kill someone (be it Plant or Animal). But having meat just for the sake of proving that Sikhs can eat meat is foolishly adding karmic debt. At the same time, having vegetarian stuff all the time but not doing meditation and debating vegetarian is the only way to go is also mad behaviour.

e.g Guru Nanak Dev Ji wrote about the Janeu (sacred thread) being False vs True. See around haven't we dragged the Gatra to be at the same level? If Janeu cannot help us break the bound, then how would the 5 kakkars would help us to break the karmic bound, after-all they are also of physical form? Even Khanda Bate da Amrit is prepared by the Bhaguti/Power-created-by-God which is still under Mahakaal but that was the necessity of that time to fight the oppressor. Otherwise, how could Source fight HIMSELF? HE needed some power to operate within the universal laws in order to beat the oppressor.

It is one of the reason that Panj Payaras cannot be female even though Amrit was given to women that day (no written history). Here I am NOT suggesting that one should NOT take Amrit, I'm just saying it is the first class in the school and not the last.

The entire Guru Granth Sahib is the teachings to go beyond the Kaal, rest all is the game of Mind. It's written from REAL creator's point of view where there is no duality, no neutral, no nothing; and there's where we should aim at. Ideally we should aim for that point of view without denying the existence of the system.

das

Edited May 5, 2015 by das

[ramgharia]

sutak and alk that thinking is hidudtva death is normal you have to die making is so important that 40 days of sutak. rehat maryada stop sikhs to belive in these retuals.

First and foremost here are the definitions:

- Sutak: It is certain period after the Birth or Death of a person. Mostly it is around 1.25 months (or roughly around 40 days).

- Chaliya: It is the 40 day period in which certain thing is certain way continously for that period with strict discipline.

- Astrology: Study of the movements and relative positions of celestial bodies interpreted as having an influence on human affairs and the natural world.

- Grahan: It is Eclipse where planets enter the shadowy region of the planet and block the view of that planet either partially or totally e.g Sun or Moon Eclipse.

- Puranmashi: When the moon is full.

Now, every now and then certain things are being debated in Sikhism e.g:

- Chaliya is not accepted in Sikhism whereas in the history one could easily find the references where Chaliya did bring good results. (i.e doing certain Path in certain way for 40 days).

- Sikhs do not believe in vaham-bharam like Grahan/Eclipse, Fast etc. whereas from the scientific point of view; watching Ecilpse with naked eyes does bring damage to eyes and keeping Fast does bring good health in certain cases.

- Sikhs do not believe in Puranmashi because all days and nights are created by God; whereas in the puratan time one can easily find references to such events and mostly Spiritual discourses are given on those periods etc.

Before diving into the debate of Sikhs do not believe in this or that VS does believe, let's first see the 2 different points of view:

OUR point of view or say where we're NOW?

- We are within the bounds of this Universe i.e within the set of some rules.

- In other words, we're within the bubble and NOT outside.

- We are within the bounds of Kaal/Mind/Owner-of-this-Universe and Maya/Matrix/Illusion.

- We always forget that this universe has certain set of rules which cannot be bent unless Guru's Grace/Kirpa is involved.

GURU GRANTH SAHIB'S JI point of view or say from where HE is talking about?

- HE is outside the bubble (even though the energy required by the bubble is being provided by HIM).

- In other words, whatsoever is described in Guru Granth Sahib Ji is about: How to break the bubble WHILE inside the bubble.

People these days mix the 2 points of view or get attached to one point of view or another without relizing the complexity. So, I'm talking the example of Sutak to explain the facts and the same could be applied to: Equality of Man/Woman, Chaliya, Astrology, Grahan, Puranmashi, Hair, Diet, Tantar, and so on and on......

SO, LET's TAKE THE EXAMPLE of SUTAK: Please read without prejudice.

- Sutak does bring impurity and during that time that person's aura (energy field) is low/thin and therefore it is easy for negative entities (your call it ghost/demons or whatever you wish) to use the energy from those Souls.

e.g A newly born child (male or female) is prone to this, so is the mother. As per the Tantar vadiya, during those times (sutak) it's very easy to control that's person's energy.

e.g It is suggested for new mother (till 40 days) NOT to visit any funeral because she would have low energy and could easily be possesed by negative entities.

e.g It is also suggested that NO one visits the newly born child for 40 days and it's only after 40 days the child is taken out to religious place and given the offical name.

e.g It is suggested to take physical bath after visiting the funeral of anyone.

e.g It is suggested that the person effected with Sutak not to be part of any hawan/homa (religious rituals) because those hawans/homas are perfomed for the blessings from the trinity (or any of the sub-oridinates) and such trinity are also bound of these rules and won't offer blessings if you're not following rules.

The above mentioned things about Sutak are limited set of rules which govern the working of this Universe. These set of rules could easily be confirmed by any good Psychic or anyone who can see the Auras. It could also be confirmed by " " glass (used to view another world but banned these days). or else one can use technology like Kirlian photography, BioPhoton, Chiren etc. to prove the things.

- Now, from another point of view. ;i.e outside the bubble, Sutak SHOULD NOT be considered because the rules are meant for the universe and NOT for the God's home and if we blindly start following all rules WITHOUT thinking about the real home, then we're bound to be trapped within the bubble. The rules are created by the Kaal in order to keep this universe going and keep us trapped.

SO, THE BOTTOM LINE IS:

- If you're aware of some rules, then use it towards the higher goal (breaking the bond); Also, if some rule is holding the person to perform something good towards higher goal, then break the damn-rule. So, it's not black-and-white. The best option is to JUST FOLLOW THE GURU BUT IN TRUE SENSE. Just keep in mind that we cannot revolt against the system as that is the base of our survial but at the same time, we HAVE to use the system for the higher purpose. Use it and then leave it. You just cannot gripe about everything being vaham-bharam and at the same time living in the same system.

e.g One should be aware that during Puranmashi (full moon day), there is heightened activity of the mind; if this heightened activity of the mind is channeled properly by Spiritual discourses or Satsang, then it would be helpful towards the higher goal (breaking bound). There is no point in wasting time and taking special care not to visit the Gurdwara on that day to prove that we are THE real Sikhs who considers every day as equal. At the same time it is also foolish to keep repeating that Puranmashi has special signifiance but not doing anything in order to cultivate that energy.

e.g One should be aware that meat does incur more karmic debit as compared to vegetarian stuff, so it's best to go with vegetarian stuff. But you're in some area where there is no access to vegetarian stuff then keep in mind that meat is also an option; after-all in order to survive in this world one has to kill someone (be it Plant or Animal). But having meat just for the sake of proving that Sikhs can eat meat is foolishly adding karmic debt. At the same time, having vegetarian stuff all the time but not doing meditation and debating vegetarian is the only way to go is also mad behaviour.

e.g Guru Nanak Dev Ji wrote about the Janeu (sacred thread) being False vs True. See around haven't we dragged the Gatra to be at the same level? If Janeu cannot help us break the bound, then how would the 5 kakkars would help us to break the karmic bound, after-all they are also of physical form? Even Khanda Bate da Amrit is prepared by the Bhaguti/Power-created-by-God which is still under Mahakaal but that was the necessity of that time to fight the oppressor. Otherwise, how could Source fight HIMSELF? HE needed some power to operate within the universal laws in order to beat the oppressor.

It is one of the reason that Panj Payaras cannot be female even though Amrit was given to women that day (no written history). Here I am NOT suggesting that one should NOT take Amrit, I'm just saying it is the first class in the school and not the last.

The entire Guru Granth Sahib is the teachings to go beyond the Kaal, rest all is the game of Mind. It's written from REAL creator's point of view where there is no duality, no neutral, no nothing; and there's where we should aim at. Ideally we should aim for that point of view without denying the existence of the system.

das

[ramgharia]

das see the full video and you will get your answer why women are not allowed in panj pyare

[ramgharia]

on your sutak

[CdnSikhGirl]

Except... females CAN be Panj Pyaras... and many have been! And SRM says there is no restriction.

And I am sure that the females chosen were not lacking spiritually in any sense of the word (as it should always be the most spiritually strong from Sangat chosen).

So you can't say that females 'can't' you can say that 'some' think that women can't because of some unseen superstitious belief of underlying working of the Universe and believe that some universal law says they can't. But physically... yes females can, and have been Panj Pyaras and are fully entitled to do this seva as per SRM.

Now, I WILL agree with you that after childbirth there is a healing period physically... obviously the body needs to heal from auch a traumatic event. Same as someone who has had an injury from any other means. So I would say that nobody who's body is healing (and hence their energy being put towards healing) should do it. That includes males by the way... So I would agree that women who have just given birth should not do it, same as a guy who just had a car accident, or broken his arm etc shouldn't. But a fully healthy female is no different than a fully healthy male.

Edited May 15, 2015 by Satkirin_Kaur