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I have posted this in the News section for others to know about sidhu's kartoot. Why do you complain? Just because giddad sidhu was caught quoting Gurbani to gain mileage in petty politics? To please his political "hindu" goons? You seem to be getting more offended someone criticizing sidhu than the fact that Gurbani is being used by petty politicians. Looking at your comments, you sound like another camouflaged "Sikh". Why? And how dare you compare our Guru to a puny "arjun" from some mythology? Have you sold your soul to the "devil"? Do you have no anakh left?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=748442818543371 Kameene navjot giddad sidhu di gal suno.

Haridwar police detains hundreds of Sikh devotees; Prevents samagam at the site of Gurdwara Gyan Godri November 6, 2014 | By Parmjit Singh Uttrakhand, India: Uttrakhand Police reportedly arrested S. Gurucharan Singh Babbar along with many prominent Sikh leaders today early morning at 4.00 A.M. at Haridwar’s Jwalapur Subzi Mandi. Gurcharan Singh Babbar of All India Sikh Conference had declared to celebrate the Parkash Gurpurb of Guru Nanak Ji on November 06 at the place of Gurdwara Gyan Godri Sahib at Har Ki Pauri in Haridwar. Gurcharan Singh Babbar addressing the media [File Photo] It is notable that Gurdwara Gyan Godri was a historic Sikh shrine at Haridwara that marked the memory of Guru Nanak Sahib Ji’s visit to the place and signified the rejection of superstitious rituals by Guru Sahib. The Gurdwara Sahib was destroyed during November 1984 genocidal violence against the Sikhs. A representative of All India Sikh Conference told Sikh Siaysat News (SSN) that Sikh were not allowed to celebrate the Prakash Utsav of Shri Guru Nanak Dev Maharaj Ji at Gurdwara Sri Gyan Godri Saheb at Haridwar ‘Har ki Pauri’. “Hundreds of Children, Ladies and Old People have also been detained by the Police” he added. Sikhs have been demanding the reconstruction of Gurdwara Sahib at it’s original place but he Indian state and administration is denying permissions to do so.

And to say that he was a "qualified doctor". He failed to stand up for human rights, instead joined modi and his thugs.

Jaitley: economic reforms will be a "long journey" By Rajesh Kumar Singh and Douglas Busvine NEW DELHI Wed Nov 5, 2014 3:36pm IST India's Finance Minister Arun Jaitley speaks during the India Economic Summit 2014 at the World Economic Forum in New Delhi November 5, 2014. Credit: Reuters/Anindito Mukherjee (Reuters) - Finance Minister Arun Jaitley said on Wednesday structural reforms to India's economy could only progress slowly, adding that he backed relaxing labour and land laws hated by business, along with more privatizations. Speaking to an audience of foreign investors, Jaitley said people still needed to be convinced that making it easier to hire and fire workers would create jobs. He did not set deadlines -- possibly disappointing some in the audience at the Indian edition of the World Economic Forum hoping for a quick reform burst. "There is a lot that has to be done ... I am quite satisfied with the beginning we have made but it's a long journey," Jaitley said. He cautioned against rushing into big bang reforms that could trigger a political backlash and derail the government's agenda. "Reform is the art of the possible," he said, while promising not to take decisions that would send negative signals to investors. Prime Minister Narendra Modi came to office in May with a mandate to create jobs and kickstart Asia's third largest economy after a long period of low growth. Expectations are mounting that the government will take steps between now and the budget in February to stimulate investment. India recorded better-than-expected growth of 5.7 percent in the quarter ending in June, but industrial output and investment has not yet picked up in a sustained way. The government has already taken some steps to make doing business easier and reduce red tape and subsidies. However, Modi has not moved ahead as fast on privatizations or welfare and tax reform as some of his supporter had hoped. Anand Mahindra, managing director of tractors to tech conglomerate Mahindra Group (MAHM.NS), said that investment in the economy would pick up once companies saw big infrastructure projects restart. "It takes a little while to gather momentum, and the momentum I sense is very positive," he told reporters. "When you get backhoe loaders out there digging up earth again visibly, you will see a rush of investment," said Mahindra, whose company also makes backhoe loaders. A land acquisition law passed by the last government and supported by the BJP while in opposition dramatically increased compensation to farmers for land. Stringent rules requiring consensus among sellers have made it difficult for industry to buy land. Jaitley said he supported the higher compensation but wanted to loosen other barriers to land purchases. ZOMBIES In addition to an ongoing process of selling off government shares in state-run companies, Jaitely said he was open to privatizing so-called "zombie" companies, many of which have hundreds of employees paid by the government but produce nothing. "There are still a large number of companies which are almost on the verge of closure where people are going to lose employment," Jaitley said. "Given a choice between them continuing in the present state and getting them privatized, the second would be a preferable option." He did not give more details and it was unclear how much private sector interest there would be in companies that include a British-era uniform factory and a government watch-maker. Jaitley said he hoped a long-delayed bill to allow up to 49 percent foreign investment in the insurance sector would be passed by parliament within weeks, and said he would consider allowing more foreign investment in railways. Unveiling first steps to reform labour last month, India simplified employment rules and eased the way for people changing jobs to move social security funds. The government also announced a series of coal field auctions last month, replacing a policy of discretional allocation. Jaitley said the government planned to introduce a similar mechanism for other minerals, without giving details. (Reporting by Douglas Busvine and Rajesh Kumar Singh; Writing by Aditya Kalra; Editing by Frank Jack Daniel) http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/05/us-india-economy-idUSKBN0IP13T20141105

No. No.

1469. If you really want to find the truth. But I thought you would know that already. And this would be another topic of discussion.

It does qualify. You will be glad. I take that you have no clue what you are talking about. Again, I take that you have no clue what you are talking about. Supporting a neo-nazi racists ideology and objecting to nazi and gas chambers?

Yes, the idea is to encourage and gear more of your brigade towards a sane lifestyle.

You seem to have a very crooked knowledge and/or understanding of "Spiritual and Military" strength. Are you identifying mobs or organized mobs, at the best, but still mobs, as people with "Spiritual and Military" strength? Either you are wrong or a lunatic.

In your world this would be exactly in line with "Mu mein kalma haath mein talwar ..." Anyway, what happened to: Here is another cool one:

Sure. Dig your own grave. "Your" movement. So now you are close to admitting yourself that you are a hindutva rat, a leech, a parasite rather lurking and trolling on a Sikh forum.

This is the talibanization of the hindus. The new madrassas.

The Problems With Systemic ‘Saffronisation’ Of Education In India Heeba Din August 4, 2014 Did you know that Qutub Minar was built by emperor Samudragupta and its real name was Vishnu Stambha, or that our original ancestors Manu and Shatrun gave life to this earth. That man took birth in Tibet, originally a part of India, and all beings were Aryan beings. Or that stem cell research was invented by India’s Dr. Balkrishna Ganpat Matapurkar, or that invention of television dates back to the Indian rishis using their yog vidya which would help them attain divya drishti for e.g. In Mahabharata, Sanjaya sitting inside a palace in Hastinapur and using his divya shakti would give a live update of the battle of Mahabharata, to the blind Dhritarashtra? These are few of the “Facts” about the world and national history that lakhs of students are learning as a part of their curriculum under RSS run schools all over India. One may laugh at or simply overlook the digressing ‘facts‘ mentioned above, but the underlying impact and erroneous amount of details and portrayals regarding minorities and different ideologies other than Hindus have set alarm bells ringing in the past. The National Steering Committee on Textbook Evaluation (consisting of a large number of experts from all over the country) appointed by the NCERT itself, a few years ago, came to the conclusion that ‘the main purpose which these books would serve is to gradually transform the young children into bigoted morons in the garb of instilling in them patriotism’. While The Rashtriya Swamayamsevak Sangh (RSS) has never deviated from its core ideology of forming a ‘Hindu Rastra’, it is the systematic attempt of rewriting history with saffron ink through its vast network of educational institutes like vidya bharti, one of the largest chain of private schools in India, catering mainly to lower middle class, Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram (VKA) which specialises in hostels for adivasi children along with other activities and Ekal Vidyalaya Foundation, which runs single pre-school teacher centres, where students are taught basic reading and writing of Sanskrit and Sanskrit behaviours, is a clear indicator of RSS’s slow but deliberate attempt of “saffronising” the education system of the country. And in the process, feeding large number of young brains with their core ideology of Hindutva. Now one might think how a right wing Hindu Nationalist group can rewrite the history of a mighty nation like India. The HRD ministry’s approval of creation of The Bharatiya Shiksha Niti Ayog (BSNA), which has been constituted by the RSS-affiliated Shiksha Sanskriti Utthan Nyas, that is mandated to “suggest corrective steps” to “Indianize” the education system, which will be headed by the controversial Dinanath Batra, the same person who advised Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan to remove sex education from the state curriculum and got Penguin to pulp Wendy Doniger’s book “The Hindus: An Alternative History”, suggests which waves is the BJP led government riding. Coincidentally, the major attempts in recent past to change the course of Indian history and revamping the education system, where minorities were portrayed as main problems of the nation and Muslims, Christians and Parsis referred to as foreigners, where struggle for freedom was portrayed as war against the Muslims; all done in the name of instilling nationalism and national pride have been done in the last two terms of the BJP rule. First with Murli Manohar Joshi, the then HRD minster, going all out to saffronise the education system by bringing changes in NCERT text along with huge changes in the reconstitution of major educational bodies like Indian Institute of Advanced Studies, the NCERT and the Indian Council of Historical Research to include members having pro BJP/RSS stand. And now with Smriti Irani, the current HRD minster, trying to bring Vedas, ancient Hindu texts and Unpanishads in the syllabus of class 8th, 9th and 10th. One might profess that reading ancient texts and scripts has no communal aspect to it, but the agencies and institutions propagating the move are the one that need to be scrutinised. Created by the RSS in 1978, the Vidya Bharati, Akhil Bharatiya Shiksha Sansthan network, focuses on moral, extracurricular and physical education for “mind, body and spirit.” The Vidya Bharati educational mission is founded on the objective of training children to see themselves as protectors of a Hindu nation. The Vidya Bharati system supervises over 18,000 schools across India, with 1.8 million students and 80,000 teachers. A shared curriculum is used across the country. The Vidya Bharati operates 60 graduate institutions. About 5,000 Vidya Bharatis are endorsed by education boards primarily in states where the Bharatiya Janata Party is in power. Another organisation called Bhartiya Adhyapak Parishad, an offshoot of Vidya Bharti, has trained teachers on the ideology of Hindutva. Bhartiya Itihas Sanklan yojana was set up in 1973 to re-write Indian History of the past 5000 years to prove that the ‘Aryans’ are indigenous people, not the invaders. Samskar Bharti established in 1982 with the aim of preventing western influence on Indian culture has 900 branches. Akhil Bhartiya Vidyarthi Parishad, founded in 1948, was registered in 1949. Its sole objective is to channelize the energy of the students in the task of National reconstruction. Out of 30 Central Universities, it captured 15. Its activists played a major role in the 1992 demolition of Babri Masjid. With these organisations at the helm of affairs, the rabid distortions in historical texts and the influence on young minds under such ideology is capable of communalising the situation in no time and flaring up of sentiments in the name of patriotism and nationalism, and creating fundamentalists and extremists out of the innocent young children, who are constantly fed with an ideology of superiority of one sect and demonising of another. The fact that the government has failed to provide free education to children is also one of the contributing factors as to why such institutions and organisations are filled with students all year round. The poor, homeless illiterate parents have no option but to send their children to these schools backing a particular ideology, the only hope for their wards to have a future. Though BJP always took its stand against the previous ruling government’s inefficiency to stop the degradation of Indian culture and values, it is by bringing ancient texts and setting up a committee to “Indianise” education, that the current government seems to find solution to the problem. Mr. Batra, who will be heading the BSNA, a staunch advocate of revamping the whole education system with his campaign of Shiksha Bachao Andolan, which seeks to ban all ‘anti Hindu‘ books says, “NCERT textbooks will be rewritten according to the aim and objects of the nation so that it inculcates feeling of patriotism among children. Modernity is not westernisation. We want modernity with Indian base (marked by) patriotism and spiritualism.’’ What is the message that we send out to the growing child with these factual misrepresentations and deliberate exclusions of some historical events? The ICSE History and Civics textbook, Part II for Std. X, devotes a whole chapter to the ‘Formation of the Muslim League’. But there is no mention at all of Hindu communal organisations. It is in the same book that when assassination of Mahatma Gandhi is talked about, no mention or comment is made on Nathuram Godse or the ideology that drove him to assisinate Gandhi and neither the fact that the Government Of India banned RSS because of Godse’s close links with the organisation and the Hindu Mahasabha. Similarly, the Social Studies text for standard VIII of the Gujarat State Board has a tiny sub-section titled, “The Murder of Gandhi”. This reads thus: “After Independence there were severe communal riots in India. Gandhiji tried his utmost to suppress it. Many people did not like this. Gandhiji was murdered at the hands of Godsay on 30th January 1948.” On the other hand, the state government of Gujarat time and again has tried to meddle with the education system. On January 19, 2000, the Gujarat state education department sent out a GR directing all schools to subscribe to the RSS magazine, Sadhana. Sadhana is a monthly printed by the Gujarat unit of the RSS. Another circular brought out in December 2000 had insisted that all schools send their teachers to sanskrit training camps in preparation for the move to make the subject mandatory learning and teaching in schools. And the newly subscribed list of books for primary and secondary class is full with nationalist books written by authors like Dinanath Batra , which propagate epics and mythological instances as facts. Call it saffronisation of education, communalisation of education or politicisation of education, the basic fact remains that young minds are increasingly becoming laboratories for fundamentalists and extremists propagating their views and ideologies, while the innocent minds get fashioned in the beliefs which are inculcated in them and the result is creation of a generation which is fed half baked truths, misrepresented facts and distorted history. Is this the generation you want to be a part of? References: RSS sets up panel to supervise saffronisation of education http://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2014/08/problems-systemic-saffronisation-education-india/

devadasi devadasi, ( Sanskrit: “female servant of a god”) member of a community of women who dedicate themselves to the service of the patron god of the great temples in eastern and southern India. This order, sometimes called a caste, appears to date from the 9th and 10th centuries. Members of the order attended the god—fanned the icon, honoured it with lights, and sang and danced for the god’s amusement—and thereby offered their auspicious presence to the deity. They played an important part in preserving elements of Hindu culture—for example, by performing the great Sanskrit poem Gitagovinda for its hero, the god Krishna, in the temple dedicated to him in Puri, in the northeastern state of Orissa. The sons and daughters of devadasis had equal rights of inheritance, an unusual practice among Hindu castes. Before the 20th century the devadasis were quite visible; about 1800 the main temple in Kanchipuram (Conjeeveram), a city in the southeastern state of Tamil Nadu with a strong tradition of temple servants, had 100 devadasis. Increasingly, the devadasis came to be held in low social regard because their occupation involved temple prostitution, and the system was outlawed in 1988. Although the number of devadasis subsequently began to decline, the institution remained strong—although less open—in the 21st century, particularly in parts of the south. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/159928/devadasi

No. Looks like you were looking for definition of murti as it pertains to God in a physical form. Which would still be of some material representation. If you are interested in a discussion specific to "God", as BhagatSingh has suggested, start a new thread.

Yes, murtis are typically made of stone, wood or metal, etc

You have not driven home the point successfully, if that is what you were trying to achieve. Doing aarti, murti puja, etc is not a Sikh practice or ritual and therefore there is no substance to the argument that you have put forward.

This is what you had mentioned: "Would you be ok if they did arti in gurudwara, placed an idol of the guru and fed it kraha prashad?" Answer is: No

How can you do one without the other? You still haven't got it it seems. I am fully aware what what Batra is talking about. I have already made that clear in my views.

Entirely? You are wrong. So you are saying there are no Cakes and Candles being mentioned the birthday celebration "ritual"? I suggest that you read the article again. Fat is, it is about Cakes & Candles and the Celebration "ritual" of someone's birthday, whoever wishes to celebrate so and an initiative and possible agenda by the hindutava terror brigade to prevent someone from doing so.

You missed the relation of the "tool" to the "ritual".

My comment was in context on the article. So if you say that if you support the views of the article, be specific or just be bold enough criticize what is wrong. Don't be a hindutva dummy, if you know that is a rabbit hole path leading to nowhere.

I am also assuming based on your comments that the hindutva brigade is giving hints on targeting minorities (Christians specifically) and you are OK with that.

Nope. I am paying attention and am clear in my understanding like I said already. That is the point. You missed the part where an electrical "tool" is a part of Diwali "ritual".