OnPathToSikhi

The reality is Modi was responsible for Godhra massacre and the world knows. Don't blame pakistan if you do not have answers for your own disasters.

That won't be for long. Anyway, you are going to get famous for liking your own posts. What a cheap-o! What a moron!

Timeline of the Riots in Modi’s Gujarat For more than a decade, Indians have asked whether Narendra Modi, India’s new prime minister, could have slowed or stopped the bloody 2002 riots in Gujarat. Muslims make up about 14 percent of the Hindu-majority nation founded on a secular constitution. Religion has been used by many parties for political gain. Following is a reconstruction of key developments before, during and after the riots. More Coverage » UPDATED September 26, 2014 Dec. 6, 1992 Hindus shouted and waved banners from the top of the Babri Masjid mosque in Ayodhya on Dec. 7, 1992.Douglas E. Curran/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images Hindus Destroy Mosque in Religious Tinderbox Tens of thousands of Hindus storm the Babri Masjid mosque in the northern city of Ayodhya, demolishing it with sledgehammers and their bare hands. They assert that the site was the birthplace of the Hindu deity Ram and was taken from Hindus in the 16th century by India’s first Mughal ruler, who built a mosque on the site. Riots claim more than 1,000 lives, most of them Muslims, in the worst religious clashes since the nation's bloody partition of British India in 1947. Despite an order from India's Supreme Court that the site remain intact, L.K. Advani, a prominent leader of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party, or B.J.P., and the nationalist World Hindu Council, mobilizes the mob. The incident shakes India's secular identity, which is enshrined in its constitution. It is pivotal in the B.J.P.'s rise to power in 1998, after which it abandons its campaign pledge to build the Ram temple in order to win the backing of secular parties it needed to gain a parliamentary majority. But the Ayodhya temple will remain a flashpoint, as later events in Gujarat reveal. Related Article Years Later, Destruction of a Mosque Still Echoes Government Report on 1992 Mosque Raid Feb. 27, 2002 at 7:43 a.m. Coach S-6 carrying Hindu pilgrims is engulfed in flames at Godhra, a Muslim-dominated area in the western state of Gujarat. Train Fire Kills Hindu Pilgrims A train filled with Hindu pilgrims returning to Gujarat from Ayodhya stops in the town of Godhra, which is 40 percent Muslim and prone to religious violence. The Hindu activists had reportedly been chanting religious slogans. A scuffle begins with Muslim residents. Within 15 minutes, Coach S-6 ignites, followed by cities, towns and villages across the western state of Gujarat. The charred bodies of the 59 victims are displayed for the public in Ahmedabad, Gujarat’s largest city. Close aides of the state's chief minister, Narendra Modi, who has only been in power a few months, endorse a widespread strike. These two decisions will be widely criticized as stoking anti-Muslim sentiment. In 2005, an Indian government investigation finds that the fire was an accident and not caused by Muslims. The report is one of a number of politically competing inquiries. Ninety-four people were put on trial ; 31 were convicted, 20 given life sentences, and 11 sentenced to death. Related Article After Deadly Firestorm, India Officials Ask Why Fatal Hindu Train Fire Laid to Accident, Not Mob Feb. 28, 2002 A man walked past rubble in Ahmedabad a week into the worst episodes of Hindu-Muslim violence in India.Aman Sharma/Associated Press Hindu Mobs Turn on Muslims For Weeks Blaming Muslims for the deaths of the pilgrims, mobs of Hindus rampage, rape, loot and kill in a spasm of violence that rages for more than two months. Mothers are skewered, children set afire and fathers hacked to pieces. About 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, are killed. Some 20,000 Muslim homes and businesses and 360 places of worship are destroyed, and roughly 150,000 people are displaced. The two biggest massacres are in Naroda Patiya, where more than 90 people are killed, and at the Gulbarg Society, a Muslim housing complex where a rumor encouraged by a World Hindu Council leader incites a mob. Muslims take refuge in the home of Ehsan Jafri, a former member of Parliament from the Indian National Congress party. While the attacks continue for more than six hours, Mr. Jafri calls a number of influential people for help, but none arrive. Sixty-nine people are killed, including Mr. Jafri, who is hacked to pieces and burned. There are widespread allegations that the B.J.P., which leads the state of Uttar Pradesh and the national governing party, and the World Hindu Council — both part of the same Hindu nationalist family — were complicit and in some cases instigated the mobs. The party and the council both deny the charges. The day after the train attack, for example, police officers in Ahmedabad do not arrest a single person among the tens of thousands of angry Hindus. A top state official tells one investigation panel that Mr. Modi ordered officials to take no action against rioters. That official was murdered. Thousands of cases against rioters are dismissed by the police for lack of evidence despite eyewitness accounts. Religious Riots Loom Over Indian Politics Justice and ‘a Ray of Hope’ After 2002 India Riots Hindu Justifies Mass Killings Of Muslims in Reprisal Riots Human Rights Watch Report Q.& A. With Modi June 2002 Video: Mr. Modi walked out of a CNN-IBN program, “Devil's Advocate” with Karan Thapar, in 2007 when questioned about the riots. Image: Shareefa Bibi with a portrait of her 18-year-old son who she said was killed by a mob. Kuni Takahashi for The New York Times Modi Is Unapologetic Mr. Modi is widely criticized for failing to console the state's Muslims. In the last New York Times interview he gave, in 2002, Mr. Modi expresses satisfaction with his handling of the Gujarat riots and says his only regret is that he did not manage the news media better. In 2012, he apologizes for any mistakes he may have made as the state’s chief. "There may have been a time when I hurt someone or when I made a mistake," he says, adding, "I ask my 60 million Gujaratis to forgive me." His remarks to Reuters in 2013 spark controversy: If "someone else is driving a car and we're sitting behind, even then if a puppy comes under the wheel, will it be painful or not? Of course it is. If I'm a chief minister or not, I'm a human being. If something bad happens anywhere, it is natural to be sad." Mr. Modi tweeted his response and linked to the article saying, "In our culture every form of life is valued...People are best judge." Religious Riots Loom Over Indian Politics The Remaking of Narendra Modi In India, a Child's Life Is Cheap Indeed India’s Muslims Wary of Rising Political Star Dec. 15, 2002 Video clip from the film "Final Solution" by the director Rakesh Sharma. J. Adam Huggins for The New York Times Modi Is Re-elected Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee of India chooses not to dismiss Mr. Modi for his handling of the riots. Instead, the B.J.P. calls for early elections. Mr. Modi begins a campaign based on Hindutva, or Hindu-ness, that aims to unite Hindus, and consolidate their votes, largely around a fear of Muslims. He frequently mentions the pilgrims who died in the train fire at Godhra, but never speaks of the Muslim victims of the subsequent riots. Mr. Modi wins a landslide re-election victory in a referendum on his brand of politics and, some say, India's character. By recasting his image as a business-friendly politician, Mr. Modi is now serving his fourth consecutive term as chief minister. Hopes and Fears in India Stirred by Hindu Nationalist Hindu Nationalists Win Landslide Vote in Indian State 2004 A convicted man consoles his son before being taken to prison for his role in the 2002 riots. Associated Press Supreme Court Intervenes Investigations and prosecutions of those involved in the riots stall. In response, India's Supreme Court reopens 2,000 cases, creates a special police team and transfers some trials out of Gujarat, resulting in hundreds of convictions. Another crucial turning point comes when a top police official gives a lawyer representing the victims recordings of every cellphone call made during the worst of the rioting. The B.J.P. tries to suppress the investigation. The records are still being examined. In late 2011, an Indian court finds 31 people guilty in the killing of 33 Muslims in Gujarat. They are sentenced to life in prison. In 2012, a top lieutenant of Mr. Modi, Mayaben Kodnani, is given a 28-year prison term after being convicted of murder, arson and conspiracy. The judge says she is one of the key conspirators in the Naroda Patiya massacre. Indian Court Finds 31 Guilty Stiff Sentence for Former Gujarat Minister 32 People Convicted for Roles in Gujarat Riots 2005 British High Commissioner James Bevan meeting Mr. Modi in 2012. Gujarat Information Bureau/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images U.S. Imposes Visa Ban on Modi In an unusual step, the United States imposes a visa ban to rebuke Mr. Modi for his role in the Gujarat riots. Senior American officials will not reach out to him until February 2014, when he becomes a candidate for prime minister of India. Britain ends a 10-year diplomatic boycott of Mr. Modi in October 2012. U.S. Reaches Out to Indian Opposition Leader It Once Rebuked October 2007 An NDTV news report on Tehelka's investigation. Prakash Singh/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images Leaders Are Taped Boasting About Roles in Violence Tehelka, a weekly magazine, secretly videotapes senior police officers and politicians boasting about their roles in the 2002 killings — how they burned Muslim men, raped their wives and destroyed their homes. The investigation renews focus on what role Mr. Modi might have played. A B.J.P. politician says Mr. Modi had told him they had three days "to do whatever we could," according to a transcript the magazine published the following month. Mr. Modi dismisses the claims as politically motivated. Tehelka's Coverage Sept. 30, 2010 Hindu devotees celebrating in Ayodhya after the decision was announced.Kuni Takahashi for The New York Times Site of Mosque Is Divided An Indian court divides the disputed holy site in Ayodhya, concluding a case that has languished in the legal system since 1950 and that set off riots that killed a total of 2,000 people, most of them Muslims. Nearly 200,000 officers are deployed across Uttar Pradesh as a precaution, but the public remains calm. Related Article Dec. 26, 2013 Supporters of Mr. Modi after a court rejected a petition seeking his prosecution in December. Sanjeev Gupta/European Pressphoto Agency Court Won't Prosecute Modi A court rejects a petition to prosecute Mr. Modi — filed by the widow of Mr. Jafri, who was killed during the 2002 rioting — saying there was insufficient evidence to prosecute him. This is the third time — in 2011, 2012 and 2013 — that Supreme Court panels have chosen not to prosecute Mr. Modi. The manner in which the investigation was conducted has been contentious. Mr. Modi welcomed the news on Twitter saying, "Truth alone triumphs." Victory, and Setback, for Indian Opposition Leader Questioning a Rising Star's Exoneration For Modi, Clean Chit or Long Fight Ahead? Special Investigation Team Report March 2014 Review Petition Filed Against Modi in Gujarat Zakia Jafri, the widow of the former member of Parliament who was killed in a Gujarat massacre, filed a review petition in Gujarat High Court challenging last year's judgment by the court in Ahmedabad. The next hearing in the case is on October 15. High Court Adjourns Hearing on Zakia`s Plea Sept. 25, 2014 Lawyers of the American Justice Center, a nonprofit human rights organization acting on behalf of the two Indian plaintiffs, spoke at a press conference in New York on Friday. Jewel Samad/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images U.S. Court Issues Summons to Modi in Lawsuit Over 2002 Riots A day before Mr. Modi is due to arrive for a much-touted five-day visit to the United States, a federal court in New York issues summons for Mr. Modi to respond to a lawsuit that over the 2002 riots. The summons are not likely to have any concrete effect on Mr. Modi’s visit because he enjoys immunity from lawsuits as a head of state. An attorney acting on behalf of him and the Indian government can seek to have the case dismissed, leaving a judge to decide the matter in several months. The complaint names two Indians as plaintiffs, one identified only as Asif and the other as Jane Doe, who, the complaint says, would not give her name out of “well-founded fear of retaliation from the state and nonstate actors.” Human Rights Watch notes that regardless of whether Mr. Modi's direct complicity can be established or not, he should be held accountable at the least for failing to stop or control the riots, according to John Sifton, the Asia advocacy director of the organization.

India Opines Narendra Modi’s US Visit : The Real Picture ! http://indiaopines.com/narendra-modi-madison-square-real-picture/ Oct 3, 2014By Editorial Team in Politics 9 Comments Tags: About India, International, Narendra Modi After I posted a few “reality” pictures of Modi’s US visit on my Facebook page, my message box has been bursting at seams with a few supportive, but mainly angry and a couple of them even expletive responses. Eleanor Roosevelt, a former US First Lady and wife of President Theodore Roosevelt, had once said, “Nothing that happens in politics is a surprise. Everything is pre-planned and calculated”. With that as a backdrop, I would like all my friends and followers on Facebook to know that I have been in the US for the last three decades and have been very politically active, informed and have witnessed most newsworthy events. My posts have been mainly to inform (and disillusion) the starry goggle eyed, MODIfied individuals of the facts. What you learned, saw and read in India , that hired (and paid) Indian media fed you, has been far from truth. 1 – In a rare denial of protocol, neither Obama nor the Vice President Biden or any US official of high cadre, was present to receive Modi on his arrival. 2 – The much hyped about Madison Square Garden event was organized and paid for by Indian Embassy with Indian Tax money and some money was collected by selling high priced tickets to gullible Indian diaspora. 3 – Obama made Modi wait for three days before granting him an audience. 4 – Michelle Obama opted out of the state “dinner”. 5 – Unlike, when the then PM, Manmohan Singh visited, there was no photo-op on the front steps of the White House – a standard protocol awarded to all visiting foreign dignitaries. 6 – Modi was housed at a US guest house across the street from the White House. He was not offered the Lincoln Room in WH that is reserved and rewarded to only highly respected foreign dignitaries. He could have stayed at “The Pierre” in New York as it is owned by Tatas but the WH wanted to restrict his movements and visitors. (Iran’s ex-President Ahmadinejad was only allowed to go from his hotel to the UN Assembly hall and back. Libya’s Moammar Gadhafi had to sleep in a tent in New York’s Central Park as American hotels refused to rent him a room). 7 – While Indian TV channels were flooded with news and videos of “Rock Star” reception of Modi, they forgot to tell you that all the “guests” had bought high priced tickets in hope of gaining expedited business licenses in India. 8 – The only reason American media spared a 15 second segment of Modi’s visit was because of his dubious past about the 2002 carnage or the delivery of court summons to him. 9 – CNN ran a pre-recorded (and edited) interview of Modi, by an Indian-American reporter Fareed Zakaria. ABC, NBC, FOX etc TV channels did not consider his visit worthy of special airtime. 10 – New York Times, New York Post, Daily News, Newsday etc spared a small insignificant column space deep inside their publications on 6th, 8th or 10th page. (11 votes, average: 4.09 out of 5) By: Wilson Battu Share on Facebook Tweet on Twitter Share on Google

Sure.

You made a comment "3ho Sikhs are following a bastardise version of Sikh religion"? Are you expecting someone to read this in a positive context.

Let me rephrase in a more elaborate statement: How do you know it is another offshoot of the Sikhs? That link does not help.

You seemed to be complaining about 3ho. Anyway thanks for making your stance clear. Hold your horses. We will get to the details. How?

Cool. You sounded as if you were not sure.

I thought we were discussing about bhajan and how he misled the 3ho Sikhs by mixing his own personal philosophy with Gurbani. There are corrupts everywhere, in Punjab or in the West. Well this is nothing new. We all are ware of this. The call themselves Sikhs, so eventually they would find their way. You should wish them good luck. What did the Sikhs do to the nirankaris?

When I say facts, I mean Gurbani's message.

Bhajan mixed a lot of his own personal philosophical jargon while conveying Gurbani's true message. Do you get what I mean by facts now?

No let us come to the so called nirankaris. According to you the teachings of the nirankaris are more line with Sikhs. Let us assume that is true for the moment. I know you are very well versed and knowledgeable in indian history , So, given the religio-political scene of the time what according to you lead Dyal Das to initiate another sect? What was so compelling?

It is the same, just to let you know. ੴ

Bhajan came here primarily as a yoga instructor so the 3ho folks see him in two aspects, as a yoga teacher and as a Sikh. The mess would not have been created if bhajan would have given the facts straight.

As in Allah, correct?

Well, you snapped back immediately when I asked for difference and now you are the one struggling to find similarities. I am posting my comments again for your convenience so we can continue to discuss: What are the similarities per your understanding, if any? Also have been to any nirankari samagam, if you can share that as well?

There is a difference. The 3HO are trying to get into Sikhi, lost as they may be. The identify themselves as Sikhs. Much of the 3HO mess was created by Yogi Bhajan.

You have lost. Face it. You can exit gracefully still if you want to.

What are the similarities per your understanding, if any? Also have been to any nirankari samagam, if you can share that as well?

Good. Let us get back to the discussion where you left off Amandeep Hindustani, on 02 Oct 2014 - 9:26 PM, said: Yes in my opinion. Amandeep Hindustani, on 02 Oct 2014 - 9:26 PM, said: Typical hindu fascist always blame the victim. Amandeep Hindustani, on 02 Oct 2014 - 9:26 PM, said: Prove it. Amandeep Hindustani, on 02 Oct 2014 - 9:26 PM, said: The Gurudwaras have nothing to to do with these fake marriages. The "indian law" can be bought and sold for a dime. Amandeep Hindustani, on 02 Oct 2014 - 9:26 PM, said: Thousands to Hundreds ? Still prove it. Amandeep Hindustani, on 02 Oct 2014 - 9:26 PM, said: Influenced by Bahmanwad? You do want to make you look like a fool. Well I am not the one trolling on Bahman/Hindu forums. It seems you are the one trying to get influenced at a "Sikh" website. That's a good start maybe. Hope you learn and pick up something good so that you can apply your "science, metaphysics, politics, reading, writing, and analyzing" in the right context. Amandeep Hindustani, on 02 Oct 2014 - 9:26 PM, said: An enslaved mind's view. Not surprising.

We will come to the "Constitution of india" and the AKJ-Taksali part later. For now let us get some things straightened out which we know that you very cunningly try to twist and manipulate. Let us track the nirankari "matt" for the moment. What is the difference per your understanding between Sikhs and the nirankaris?

Where did nirankaris get their "faith"? And who/what gave them that "right" anyway? To take your statement verbatim, my faith gives me full right to fight oppression with martial force if needed.

No use posting random information. Signs of a lost battle. Get back to discussing the original post or out you go.

Let us begin where we left off. Amandeep Hindustani, on 02 Oct 2014 - 9:26 PM, said: Yes in my opinion. Amandeep Hindustani, on 02 Oct 2014 - 9:26 PM, said: Typical hindu fascist always blame the victim. Amandeep Hindustani, on 02 Oct 2014 - 9:26 PM, said: Prove it. Amandeep Hindustani, on 02 Oct 2014 - 9:26 PM, said: The Gurudwaras have nothing to to do with these fake marriages. The "indian law" can be bought and sold for a dime. Amandeep Hindustani, on 02 Oct 2014 - 9:26 PM, said: Thousands to Hundreds ? Still prove it. Amandeep Hindustani, on 02 Oct 2014 - 9:26 PM, said: Influenced by Bahmanwad? You do want to make you look like a fool. Well I am not the one trolling on Bahman/Hindu forums. It seems you are the one trying to get influenced at a "Sikh" website. That's a good start maybe. Hope you learn and pick up something good so that you can apply your "science, metaphysics, politics, reading, writing, and analyzing" in the right context. Amandeep Hindustani, on 02 Oct 2014 - 9:26 PM, said: An enslaved mind's view. Not surprising.