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The 1984 attack on Siri Darbar Sahib was horrendous and a very dark page in the history of the so called "largest democracy in the world" We should never forget 1984. However, over history we have seen that no-onne...NO SIKH OR GURU ever used Siri Akaal Bunga Sahib or Siri Darbar Sahib as a fortress. This was Baba Jarnail Singh Ji's mistake. They should have never even contemplated fortifying the Darbar Sahib complex. When Guru Hargobind Sahib was going to be attacked at Siri Harimandar Sahib they left there own daughters wedding and faught away from Darbar Sahib. We should remember that Baba Jarnail Singh ji was spiritually gifted but politically Baba Ji was not. Baba Ji with the help of Shaheed General Subeg Singh ji fortified the Darbar Sahib complex. The question has to be asked that if Baba Ji knew the government wrere going to attack him why didnt they fortify Gurdwara Gurdarshan Prakash their own dera instead of risking the Be-adbi (dishonouring) of Siri Akaal Bunga Sahib and Siri Darbar Sahib? Baba Ji knew that the Indian government was corrupt and evil enough to attack Siri Darbar Sahib but Baba Ji didnt move away from Siri Darbar Sahib. Harimandar Sahib is not a fortress and singhs have never fortified the Darbar Sahib complex but to those shaheeds who died fighting against the government troops who invaded Darbar Sahib I bow down and respect because they gave their lives protecting Darbar Sahib. What I cant understand is that Baba Jarnail Singh was such a courageous, brave and far-sighted man... Did Baba Ji not see that by staying at Siri Akaal Bunga Sahib they were endangering the Darbar Sahib complex. If Baba Jarnail Singh Ji wanted to fight the Indian Government in the field of battle they should have fortified their own dera, made sure there were no saroops of Guru Granth Sahib at their dera and fortified it as if it was chamkaur sahib. And then after the dishonouring of the Darbar Sashib complex by the indian army when Jathedar Baba Santa Singh Ji Nihang along wiht the help of Baba Nihaal Singh Ji Nihang tried to re-build the Akaal Bunga Sahib according to the exact old replica of the old existing Akaal Bunga Sahib they were claimed to be tankhaiyas of the Panth. Why? because some government officials had made donations to the Buddha dal treasury. This was outrageous. Cant a man make a donation to a charitable fund...could we stop all government officials such as civil servants and clerks stop donating money to their local Gurdwaras. Would all the pardhans, sants and mahapurakhs be tankhaiyas who accepted dontaions from government workers? The Akaal Bunga Sahib was replicated by Baba Santa Singh Nihang according to the original features down to the frescoes of the ten gurus, yogis and devi devtas. But when the seva of Akaal Bunga Sahib was done the second time round these ORIGINAL BEAUTIFUL FRESCOES were REPLACED WITH TOILET TILES! How can the Panth condone this dishonour of Siri Akaal Bunga Sahib it brings tears to my eyes when i see Siri Akaal Takht Sahib covered inside with white tiles...where have the frescoes gone? We have white tiled over hundreds of years of history. I bow before the Shaheeds of 1984 and before the souls of all those innocent people who were massacred at Darbar Sahib... and I hope that waheguru ji forgives Baba Jarnail Singh Ji for the only mistake Baba Ji ever commited which was fortifying Darbar Sahib. I am nothing compared to Baba Jarnail Singh and I bow before them and ask if they can forgive my harsh words they only made one mistake but I have made countless errors in my life.. I hope that Baba Jarnail Singh ji maharaaj forgives me these words but they have to be said... and may Guru Granth Sahib maharaaj give the Panth the wisdom not to alienate Baba Santa Singh Nihang the Jathedar of the Qaum but to remember that the truth will always prevail May Waheguru bless U all What is false I will call false. Even though the people may try to silence me. I do not care for what anybody says. I will speak but the truth from my mouth. (Guru Gobind Singh, Treh Charittar No.266, Dasam Guru Granth Ji)

Nihangs smoking sukha!!!!!!! WHAT A JOKE! And as for the Nindia of Jathedar Baba Santa Singh Ji well…..get your facts right

Just stumbled across some research about Sukhmani Sahib…. Dr Harcharan Singh (Medical Vibhaag), Dr Ajinder Singh (Medical College), and Guru Nanak Dev University (Patiala) have all concluded and scientifically proven that Sukhmani Sahib is not only a spiritually uplifting Baani but also can help to heal physical illness… Not only that but Sukhmani Sahib has been the part of the regular Nitnem of the following Mahapurakhs… Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindra-wale used to read a minimum of 2 Sukhmani Sahib Paath a day Baba Sangat Singh Kamalpur-wale used to read a minimum of 5 Sukhmani Sahib Paath a day Baba Uttam Singh used to read a minimum of 4 Sukhmani Sahib Paath a day Baba Nijan Singh Jammu-nagar-wale used to read a minimum of 2 Sukhmani Sahib Paath a day Mahant Javahar Singh Sevapanthi Mitha-Tiwava-wale used to read a minimum of 2 Sukhmani Sahib Paath a day Mahant Gulab Singh Sevapanthi Noorpur/Goiana-Mandi-wale used to read a minimum of 2 Sukhmani Sahib Paath a day Baba Hardarshan Singh Shaah-jeevani-wale used to read a minimum of 2 Sukhmani Sahib Paath a day Baba Nand Singh Nanaksar-wale used to read a minimum of 5 Sukhmani Sahib Paath a day Baba Hira Singh Shaahpur-wale used to read 2 Sukhmani Sahib Paath a day And there are many more… all these Mahapurakhs treasured the priceless jewel of Sukhmani Sahib… don’t let this jewel fall from your hands get up turn off the computer and read Sukhmani Sahib today !!! (or listen to it :roll: ). All I can say is… Dhan Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Ji Dhan Dhan Guru Adi-Granth Sahib Ji Dhan Dhan Sukhmani Sahib Ji

Dhan Dhan Bhagat Puran Singh Ji....a true model of a Sevapanthi.

Mata Jeeto Ji was the first wife of Kalgidhar

Having done further research into the subject i've found out that Sant-Giani Gurbachan Singh Bhinderanwale has said that Mata Gujari Ji used her yogic powers to release her prana through her dasva duaar. "Taat maat mur alakh araadha, buh bidh jog saadhnaa saadhaa," this quote shows how Mata Gujari practised yoga. Has anyone else heard of this theory?

liberation?

Baba Gurcharan Singh....u mean Baba Gurbachan Singh? :roll:

Some of the greatest Mahatatmas and Mahapurash in Sikhi have been non-amritdhari...... :wink: Baba Jagta Ji, Baba Adan Shah, Baba Hazari Ji, Baba Kanhaiya Ji, Baba Seva Raam, Baba Sahai Raam, Baba Raleea Raam, Baba Bhallaa Raam, Bhai Rangi Raam Udasi (the Ustaad of Raagi Bhai Sahib Bhai Avtaar Singh Ji) Raja Sahib Ji.... :arrow: ...need i mention countless other great NON-AMRITDHARI souls who are greatly respected within the panth as MAHAPURAKHS.... Is there singh on any of their names? :roll: No.. :shock: ..they are non-amritdharis.. :shock: ..so how can anyone say non-amritdharis cant do simran... :twisted: Jus look at the photo of Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale standing next to a NON-AMRITDHARI UDASI MAHAPURAKH!

How did Mata Gurjari Ji die? This is somewhat of a mystery in the Panth and is rarely mentioned in the accounts of the Shaheedi of the Chotte Sahibzade… Page references appreciated…

What is Mukti?...what is the view of Sikhi on Mukti? And how does this correspond to the concept of Jivan Mukti? Page references appreciated.... :wink:

What is the Sikh concept of Vismaad? What is Vismaad? and does one ascend to the level of Vismaad? Is Vismaad a level??? Page references appreciated....

What is Gurbani? What makes Gurbani.... Gurbani? Specific page references would be appreciated... :wink:

What is Dharam? Specific page references to Gurubani and religious texts would be appreciated... :wink:

:? Whats the difference between a Tankhaiya and Patit? References to specific Hukamnamas, Rehatnamas, and Gurbaani would be appreciated. Page references would be welcome!

Are there any Udhasi Sadhus or Akharas who have specific lineage to Baba Siri Chand Ji Maharaaj? Information about any Udasi Sadhus or Akharas would be welcome...

:?: What is Damdami Taksaal? :?: Does it have any true lineage in the Panth? :?: Is there any mention of Damdami Taksaal in historical texts? :?: Does modern day Damdami Taksaal at Meht Chowk have any proven connections with Shaheed Akaali Baba Deep Singh Nihang? :?: Was Damdami Taksaal set up by Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj? :roll: These questions are not to insult or praise Damdami Taksaal they are written for a deeper understanding of the Khalsa Panth. :wink: Can all replies be purely academic and without prejudice please....thank you Saadh-sangat ji.

When Baba Asa Singh Ji reached Amritsar they stayed at the Dera of Sant Javahar Singh Mitha Tiwana Wale, and Baba Ji gave some Saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji to Sant Ji. After some time at the Dera of Sant Javahar Singh, Baba Asa Singh Ji travelled from Amritsar to a village called Mehmoodpur in Ambala and started to live in the Sarab-Sant-Mandali. In 1948 Baba ji arranged the yearly Samaagam in memory of Baba Jagta Ji Sahib at Mehmoodpur. A few weeks later the families of Bhai Prem Singh and Bhai Chaenchal Singh took Mahant Gulab Singh along with all of the Sevapanthi-Sant-Mandali to Goiana Mandi in order to do an Akhand Paath Sahib of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Three Akhand Paath Sahibs took place at Bhai Prem Singhs house and the families did a lot of Seva. The Sevapanthi-Sant-Mandali stayed at Gurdwara Bhai Kala Singh on the request of the local Sangat. The Sangat began to flock to the Gurdwara Bhai Kala Singh. Mahant Gulab Singh saw that there was not enough water in Goiana Mandi. So Mahant Ji got together the Sevapanthi-Sant-Mandali and the local Sangat to dig out a reservoir that provided plentiful water for the Sangat and local population. The Sangat of Goiana Mandi asked Mahant Gulab Singh Ji to build their permanent Dera in Goiana Mandi. Mahant Gulab Singh Ji saw that there was much need for the Parchaar of Gurmat in the local area, Mahant Ji gave the Seva of finding a spot for the Dera to be situated to Baba Asa Singh Ji. Bhai Prem Singh’s family put a large amount of money into buying the land for the Dera from Bhai Hukam Singh. The work on the Dera began straightaway and Baba Asa Singh and the Sangat worked along side of the builders and architects to build the Dera. In 1949 whilst the work was going on at the Dera in Goiana Mandi the Sangat of Malot Mandi requested Mahant Gulab Singh to organise the yearly Samaagam in memory of Baba Jagta Ji at Malot Mandi. Mahant Gulab Singh Ji returned to Goiana Mandi to find that a small Darbar Sahib had been finished at the Dera. The Sangat carried on the work of completing the Dera. Mahant Gulab Singh Ji went to Amritsar to celebrate Vaisakhi in 1950 and stayed with Sant Javahar Singh Ji at Mitha Tiwana. It was here on the 20th of April 1950 where Mahant Gulab Singh Ji merged into the divine light. Many Mahapurakhs of the Sevapanthi Maryada and the Sangat decided that the ‘Mahantship’ would be passed onto Mahant Asa Singh Ji and Sant-Bhai Hari Singh Ji was given the title of ‘Vazeer’. Mahant Asa Singh ji laid the foundation stone of the present day Darbar Hall in Goiana Mandi. Mahant Asa Singh Ji set up the Middle School and helped to build a Girls College themselves. Mahant Ji also built Guru Nanak library. Mahant ji helped many people to learn and grow both intellectually and spiritually. Mahant Ji always remained immersed in Naam-Simran and helped many of local Sangat to learn Raag Vidiya and Santhiaa. Mahant Ji used to get up at 1 am in the morning, had an ishnaan (bath) and became engrossed in Naam Simran. At 3 am Mahant Ji recited their Nitnem then Mahant Ji used to do Parkash of Guru Granth Sahib in the Darbar Hall. Mahant Ji then used to recite Sukhmani Sahib in a raag-style in the Darbar and then Mahant Ji sang Asa di Vaar with true love. Mahant Ji used to sit at the Taabiaa of Guru Granth Sahib during the Darbar and used to organise Gurmat discussions and Katha Veechar sessions with the Sangat. Mahant Ji loved meeting other spiritual people and did Seva of any travellers and Sangat with their own hands. Mahant Ji loved nature and when they were immersed in Naam Simran in the outdoors Mahant Ji used to utter, “Paramatma (God), your nature is truly beautiful.†Mahant Asa Singh Ji Maharaaj was a truly blessed soul who remained focussed to the mission of Bhai Kanaihaya Ji all their life. They were full of compassion and love for all of Waheguru’s creation. On the 1st of January 1974 Mahant Asa Singh Ji merged into the divine Charan-Kamal of Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaaj in the early hours of the Amrit Vela….a great soul like Mahant Asa Singh Ji can only be summed up by the words of Guru Arjan Dev Ji (Ang 749)… “Your Saints are very fortunate; their homes are filled with the wealth of the Naam. bhaagtharhay har sant tumHaaray jinH ghar Dhan har naamaa. They are beloved by Waheguru, and all of their actions are fruitful. ||1|| parvaan ganee say-ee ih aa-ay safal tinaa kay kaamaa. ||1|| My Raam, I am a sacrifice to the humble servants of Hari. mayray raam har jan kai ha-o bal jaa-ee. I make my hair into a fan, and wave it over them; I apply the dust of their feet to my forehead. ||1||Pause|| kaysaa kaa kar chavar dhulaavaa charan Dhoorh mukh laa-ee. ||1|| rahaa-o. Those compassionate, humble beings are above both birth and death. janam maran duhhoo meh naahee jan par-upkaaree aa-ay. They give the gift of the spirituality, and are immersed in your Simran; they inspire others to follow the path of Truth. ||2|| jee-a daan day bhagtee laa-in har si-o lain milaa-ay. ||2|| True are their commands, and true are their empires; they are attuned to the Truth. sachaa amar sachee paatisaahee sachay saytee raatay. True is their happiness, and true is their greatness. They know Waheguru, to whom they belong. ||3|| sachaa sukh sachee vadi-aa-ee jis kay say tin jaatay. ||3|| I wave the fan over them, carry water for them, and grind corn for the humble servants of the Waheguru. pakhaa fayree paanee dhovaa har jan kai peesan pees kamaavaa. Nanak offers this prayer to Waheguru - please, grant me the sight of Your humble servants. ||4||7||54|| naanak kee parabh paas baynantee tayray jan daykhan paavaa. ||4||7||54||â€

Mahant Asa Singh Ji.....a spirit always emersed in Simran and Seva. (Translated and adapted from an article by Bhai Kahn Singh Sevapanthi) Mahant Ji was born on the 9th December 1893 in the village of Fazal (District Meeavali Pakistaan). Baba Ji's dad was Bhai Nidhan Singh ji and Baba ji's mother was Mata Tehal Kaur Ji. When Baba Ji was young they helped their father to sell and by camels and other livestock. But whilst Mahant Ji was young they also learnt a lot of Gurbani off by heart from their mother. Baba ji was always reciting gurbani whilst working day and night. Baba ji was not interested in work and continually increased in their love of simran. Baba ji had no attachment to material possesions. Mahant ji's father decided that he would take Baba Asaa Singh to the Sevapanthi Deraa at Noorpur as Baba ji was not focused on working at all. Bhai Nidhan Singh told Mahant Gulab Singh that Baba Asaa Singh was not focused on working and was continually focused on reciting Gurbani. Hearing this Mahant Gulab Singh said, "This child is not going to be a material man, let him live at the dera. He will sit in the Satsang, become a great Saint, and will do a great seva of the Panth. Because of him even your name will be mentioned in history." Hearing this Bhai Nidhan Singh left his son at the Noorpur Sant-Mandali. So Baba Asa Singh Ji began his life of simran and seva. Baba ji learnt paath diligently and took part in all the seva oppurtunities that came up at the Sant-Mandali. Baba ji the took leave of Mahant Gulab Singh and left to learn kirtan at from Sant Vajeer Singh of Mitha Tiwana and after that Baba ji went to Sato Gali to the Taksaal of Bhai Mani Singh to receive santhiaa from the Sevapanthi Mahapursh there. After many years of learning different Vidiyas Baba ji returned to Noorpur Sant-Mandali in 1927. Baba ji loved kirtan and recited Asa di Var in the morning and at night Aarti regularly. Baba ji spent nights at the edges of wells to ensure that whilst he was meditating he wouldnt fall asleep. Baba ji ate little and slept only a few hours. Once Baba ji did 125,000 mool mantar paath whilst doing a chalisa of 40 days. Baba ji lived by doing simran it was a natural not mechanical process. In 1931 Baba ji travelled to Sachkhand Siri Hazur Sahib in order to take amrit. In 1947 in the midst of the bloodshed between Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs the Noorpur Sant-Mandali acted a haven for all people. About 5000 people took refuge in the Sant-Mandali. Mahant Gulab Singh successfully took these people from the Noorpur Sant-Mandali, to Sargodhe refugee camp to Amritsar. Mahant Gulab Singh, Baba Asa Singh and the other sadhus sent all the Sangat over to Amritsar first and then once all the sangat was safely in Amritsar the sadhus left for Amritsar with 60 saroops of Guru Granth Sahib, some copis of Guru Dasam Granth, two silver canopies, two big paintings of Guru Nanak Ji and Guru Gobind Singh. Nothing else was taken to Amritsar.... (to be continued.....)

Baba Meeha Singh was a great soul, he was truly blessed. I was once told Baba ji did a minimum of 17 sukhmani sahib paths a day…wow

What is the literal definition of a sevapanthi?....but also what does the life of a sevapanthi entail?....eg any thoughts on sevapanthi maryada or ways of living. Has anyone had any uplifting experiences with Sevapanthis? If so please post them up...share the love

A beatuiful story of a Sevapanthi Saint Baba Jagta Ji from the lineage of Bhai Kanhaiya Ji, a true followers of the words..... "nanak fikai boleeyai tan man fika hoai." "O Nanak if you speak sour words, your mind and body becomes polluted." Baba Jagta Sevapanthi was walking through the fields near his village and was walking close to the Maseet (Mosque). When he was close to the Maseet he heard the Maulvi (Muslim Priest) swearing and cursing at his neighbours.... Baba Jagta Sevapanthi stood and looked at the Maulvi The Maulvi turned around and shouted, "Where have you come from? Where are you going? And what are you looking at?" Baba Jagta Sevapanthi said with the utmost nimarata (humbleness), "Maulvi Sahib I just came here to do your darshan." Listening to this the Maulvi was amazed at the nirmarta of Baba Jagta Ji and felt ashamed he put his hands together and said, "Pir Jagta Ji, please come in and allow me to do your seva." Baba Jagta Ji said, " Maulvi Ji I will come in but will you allow me to ask you a question?" The Maulvi said, "Go ahead Pir Ji." Baba Jagta Ji said, "Can you put urine in a pot, then put milk in and expect the milk to be good to drink?" Maulvi Ji said, "No Pir Ji." Baba Jagta Ji said, "If you cannot drink the milk which has been polluted with urine how can you expect to be a priest when you shout and swear with the same tongue that you pray with. Your swears and curses are like the urine and your prayers are like milk, Maulvi Ji you defile your tongue with swear words and then do the Namaz. Is this what Allah wants?" The Maulvi fell to the feet of Baba Jagta Ji and said, "Pir Ji I'm sorry, I will ammed my ways and try to follow Allah's path as best as i can." From that day forward the Maulvi didnt swear and curse and followed Allah's path with care and respect for all.

excllent comment lalleshvari!

Guru pyare khalsa ji the raagmala debate was ended when Giani Soba Singh first accused Raagmala of not being gurbani. This Giani Soba Singh was said to have been paid off by Christian missionaries in order to create a divide in the Panth. Soba Singh even convinced Kavi Bhai Santokh Singh Ji to write, “Raagmal Siri Gur Kee Krit Neh Hai†(Raagmala is not the work of the Guru) Soba Singh wrote a Saroop of Siri Guru Granth Sahib without including raagmala. He brought this saroop to Akal Takhat Sahib and started saying that raagmala should be removed from all saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. There were many great men gathered at Akaal Takhat Sahib at that point such as Granthi Javahar Singh, Bhai Bhagat Singh, Bhai Divan Singh, Thakur Dyaal Singh, and many other Udasi and Nirmala saints and scholars. They all decided that an ardas should be done to resolve the issue of the Raagmala’s authenticity. The Panj Pyare arrived, they did Ardas and said that if Giani Soba Singh was correct in saying Raagmala is false may he remain fit and healthy, if on the other hand he was lying may he be struck down with a painful illness in the space of a year. Low behold!!! Giani Soba Singh’s tongue was infected with small insects that ate away at Soba Singh’s tongue. The Giani was in excruciating pain and wrote on paper himself that he was sorry and that he now believed whole-heartedly in the Raagmala. He was taken to Darbar Sahib in order to repent his mistake and even recorded his mistake in the diary at Siri Darbar Sahib. From that day forward there was no reason for anyone else to accuse the Raagmala of not being Gurbani… Guru Pyario why keep raking over an issue that the Guru Granth and the Khalsa Panth has resolved? Akaal hee Akaal!