sukrit kaur

You're absolutely right.As per your suggestion to have some movement,I want to add that my abdomen area starts pumping in beginning of my abhyaas with waheguru recitation going in mind .but after some while,It stops.But I'll try to use my tongue too.I tried ur suggestion just right back by rolling tongue on roof.I did it!Hope to do it more properly with daily practice .

Gur fateh!

satkirin_kaur has raised some very important issues which need to be dealt with within the sikh janta. Sikhism is not only reciting and quoting banis. It also teaches us to fight against injustice and unfair treatment of individuals.

Yes,you're right!.But in my view ,Spirituality is the main reason for a sikh to live by.Yes,one sikh must always be ready to fight against injustice,but question is are you wise enough to understand the meaning of Injustice? Fighting for injustice or just biasing over a useless topic to claim this is right or this is wrong,are totally two different aspects.

and I think here satkiran ji needs to change her view.How can one do justice over choice of jathas or taksals and about their views on particular matters like so called this misogyny.The topic ends over one line,that both organisations are totally sikh supporters and abide the teachings of guru granth sahib ji,so obviously it's clear.SGGS ji gives equal status to women like men,so I dont think that one needs to debate more.

Infact Guru sahib has always instructed us to focus on our kamai rather than to waste/corrupt our time,buddhi on such wordly majhabi discussions.

Please dont take me wrong.That's just my opinion.

LOL.No,your theories are much better.

You're right that verbal jaap puts a dramatic effect on one's spiritual progress.But personally,I'm not doing verbal jaap.Actually I can't.I usually keep praying that waheguru ji shows his kirpa upon me in form of verbal jaap. But every time,I'm silent!

Hope my throat starts working!

. As you do more simran I believe the act of doing more abhyaas verbally and moving the jaw applies further subtle pressure on the ears which change the types of sounds you hear. Furthermore your hearing becomes more refined and you begin to pick up other sound frequencies. :-(

Personally,I don't use my tongue or jaws much during simran.almost negligible.I mean I do simran in mind.I've never done simran in loud voice..

I really dont know how to answer your question.Sounds are tiiiii tiiii type.kinda sounda of insects.some time ,its like some thing is passing by my ears.during some moments,a very high pitch voice with tiiiiiiiiii rings in my ears.but this ring is just only for an instant.

AKJ keertan maryada is ridiculous

How can you judge any maryada? Who are we to put our silly comments towards any jatha or taksal.Each organisation is started by great mahapurakhs of time,whether it's AKJ or DDT , when we look at kamai jeevan of these great men,we are not even equal to charan of these mahapurkhs.So,who are we to judge? Please justify the statement.On what kamai or Rabbi gyan one can say such rubbish about any samparda.

Such topics are really propagating wrong message of sikhi.I dont belong to any particular jatha.But I respect AKJ a lot coz of their high spiritual vichaars.So ,same I respect DDT or any jatha.After reading the entire thread(which I did nt want to),I must say SuCH DISCUSSION is ridiculous.Who are we to involve sants and to put our silly views about them.How can one comment about BAba Nand singh ji's principles.He was a GREATtttt mahapurkh,so It was their asool.So one shouldnt put their silly comments about any mahapurkh,unless he has such great buddhi or kamai equivalent to brahmgianis.

Just keep in mind.We are moorkh jeevas.We are not even wise enough to recognise any saint.so dont disrespect any saint even by mistake or in anjaanpuna.

"SANT KE DOKHI KO DARGEH MILAE SAJAE"

Yes I read that On right side leads to more progress.I'm little worried as sounds are much audible in left ear.Yes,sounds are in right ear too,but not loud.Only when focus on right side,then gets louder,but on left are easily audible without much focussing.So does it mean that one is still too far for naam shabad?

IMHO,Dastar is a wonderful maryada commanded by guru ji.According to my experience as a woman,Dastar should be on every "SiKh's" head irrespective of gender.Here Sikh(in my opinion/view) does not mean one who is only just born in sikh religion,but the one who is looking for his purkh and walking on spiritual path to merge with one nirankar.So,as It's suggested by all mahapurkhs of time to cover our heads during meditating/simran/bhagti.But a true SIKH(not just by religion) has no time limits for bhagti or his attempts to meet the purkh.His each and every second is contributed for nirankar and is passed in loving memory of akal purkh.Whether he is working,sleeping,walking,eating,his mind somewhere ,keeps reciting praises of nirankar and is looking for his darshan.So Isn't he doing bhagti then? Ofcourse this is bhagti too! So shouln't his head be covered? Ofcourse yes!! So this is the reason one should wear dastar that he doesnt need to get worried to cover his head.It's always covered.

Beside I think If a woman is wearing dastar ,then she is much socially safe especially in India.No any guy has guts to even look with dirty eyes towards a sikhni.Guru sahib gave woman a look equivalent to man.A divine saroop protects her.so dastar on a woman head just represents a divine hand /security upon her.

But still choice is her.I too dont wear a dastar.But yes a sikh should wear it.I wouln't say MUST.

And what If one hears sounds from both ears,but more prominent sounds from left ear?

Yes!!Exactly!! Beautiful!!

Thanks for sharing!!

Today,I was talking to my grandfather about spirituality.My grandfather's dad was a very gurmukh person.He did a lotttt of kamai in his life.So,we were admiring their efforts and principles.Then I asked my grandmom about their bhagti life.She told me that she did a lot of meditation.She told me that pita ji(with respect) used to do saas graas.They used to get up at 12 am ,then did nitnem and all meditation etc.Pita ji could do nitnem standing on his one leg,etc etc.When they were sleeping,their navel was in an automatic mode reciting guroo in a very loud voice.So,I'm very excited at this point.I somewhere read that It's not a good sign.dunno much about it.so

what does it mean?

I want to share my one more experience that I had this very morning.As I shared earlier,I've been experiencing such things.So,I usually scare to meditate.I've no problem when my eyes are open,but once I close my eyes and try to meditate, I get scared and then can't progress further.

This morning,I got up at 2:45 am.Then ,I started nitnem at 3:20 am.I did it by 4:30.There is a doubt in my mind that after 4 am I've no reason to scare of.I mean I said to myself that whatever had happened was always around 2 am,so nothing can happen now.So I was little freed of that fear.I started listening Simran audio.I was feeling very tired and sleepy too.so,I laid straight on my back.But still I was trying to focus on simran.within few seconds,I lost all senses from by body.I somehow knew that I'm sleeping,but I couldn't control anything.I couldn't move my body.It was without any sense for almost 5 min.I tried so hard,but couldn't.Then I felt veryyyy strong force pulling my body upwards.I was resisting it sooo hard.Again I was on bed,then again force pulled up.I was in that up down movement for 2-3 times.My mind knew that I'm lying and it's my body that is trying to come out of it.Then I was like I did it.I saw my room's roof.There was smokey bubbles kinda airy ones all around the room.Then I tried to get out of bed,but still couldn't move my body.Then I realised its still something wrong.I'm still trapped.My mind was working,but my body was not.Then I was like I'm trapped.I wanted to cry and call my mom,but couldn't.This all happened for about 10 min.Then I started calling Guru Ramdass Ji in my mind.I was reciting waheguru and was calling Guru sahib.Then again I tried to move my body but couldnt.In meanwhile,I felt like its over now and I'm walking around my room and my eyes are open.But still I wasn't.It was a very weird and frustating feeling.Then,I called guru sahib again and made a prayer in mind,Guru sahib I'm in vain.Why don't u help me.I'm calling you again and again.But still I was struggling.Then ,I felt kinda touchy sensation around my right arm.I was resisting it and was calling guru sahib again and again in a very anger mood.I felt that My body is no longer mine.It was lying and was veryyy heavy.Then I opened eyes I was still in doubt whether it's over or not.Then I realised yes it is.But I was still in a shock.After 5 min,I could get normal.I saw time,It was 5:40 am.It was a very long experience that happened to me this very morning.I'm writing cause I want to share as it's just recently happened and evrything is well in my mind.Now,I 'm in great eager to know the meaning of all this.I really want to know what it is.Why this all is happening to me?Is it a good sign or bad sign? What is the meaning of it? Why I'm scaring? Why I scare to close my eyes and to meditate?

I really want help!

Gut fateh!

If there is much pain ,stiffness nd difficulty in moving ,then it may lead to arthritis. If beside pain,there is fever,redness or swelling ,then it may be joint infection.So need to cure it with antibiotics too.

I recommend to check your uric acid level too.

Drink atleast 2 litres of water a day. Eat fruits.Avoid mushroom,cauliflower.

Hardeep kaur ji if u r older than 45 yrs,then do consult a doctor,as arthritis is common in this age group

I'm very sorry to hear that veer ji.Hope he is in his divine home and in lap of akal purkh.Sending heartly condolences and positive vibes your way.

*Bahur ham kaahae aavehgae||

Why should I come into the world again?

Aavan jaanaa hukam tisai kaa hukamai bujh samaavehigae||

Coming and going is ordained by divine decree; accordingly I am merged with the divine.

*Sookh sehaj aanand vutthae tit ghar||

Peacefully I take abode in the house of bliss.

Aavan jaan rehae janam na tehaa mar||

My comings and goings have ended and there is no more birth or death.

Waheguru!!

Veer ji,

In my view all is his grace.One who is gonna meet his master is already imbued with divine blessings from his birth.So if one does such attempts to meet his purkh,then it's too due to his virtues.So all matters is our love towards our master.If our love is true and strong enough,then we will appear to have enough wisdom and the right direction in our ongoing journey.All we need to do is to concentrate on our kamai rather than to worry about it.All happen with time and by his will.So love is the strongest tool to unlock anything and love for the true master is the biggest achievement.

Gur fateh!

WJKK WJKF!!!

I know it's not right to expect miracles and the aim of life is to understand guru's hukam and to abide by it.But still,there comes such tough situations in any form and we wish mightily to change the negative into something better.yes the glorious blessings are not stopped by doubt and that's we call the miracles.so has anyone ever experienced a miracle or act of god?

Thanks for sharing in advance!

Gur fateh!

Your second experience is like mine I had. And I remember I had some very weird dreams.I dont remember anything but whilst dreaming I was calling Dhan Dhan Guru Ramdass ji in a very rapid tune and One day I was reciting name of Guru nanak patsah.After getting up,these tunes of calling Guru sahib were still in my ears.I know how it feels.

Sat Sree Akal!

Yes ,You 're exactly right harsharan ji.

"[What can the worst happen? To die? So what? ]"

These words are really so powerful .I hope it helps me a lot.

Same happened last night.I was sleepy and was trying to sleep around 1 am.I was in a little nap.Suddenly I felt I was trying to leave my body.My body was pulling up and I tried to resist it.It was a very weird feeling.Then I was like walking around in my home and I saw my brother and father too entering my room.Then again I was lying on bed.I felt my body was very heavy.I couldn't move it for a while.Then I woke up.It was around 2 am.There was no one around.I couldn't asleep then.I tried to focus on simran,but this fear didn't allow me to focus much.

I'll try to stay strong now and will continue my simran.

Gur fateh!!

Actually this is the matter.I scare to recite waheguru alone.I know it's really awkward,but it's there.I know it may be the fear of mind , but I feel something very weird during simran.Hope to be on the track again.

Gur fateh!!

From few months back,I've been experiencing such things.Two experiences are well in my mind.One two months back and second last night.The most frustating thing is that it scares me a lotttttttt and this fear is interrupting my bhagti. It's like too much now.I now scare to stay alone in my room.Then with this fear,I start doing chaupai sahib ,but It's still here.I dont want to sleep due to this fear.Its bothering me a lot.It usually happens around 2 am.Please someone suggest me to overcome my fear.

Here you go Sukrit Kaur ji. I posted the link on another similar thread.

I was busy in akhand paath sahib.I listened the audio just right back.Veer ji thank you so much for sharing such a wonderful bachans of bhai sahib ji.Each and every bachan of bahi sahib,was the one ,my soul is searching for.It was very informative and kinda motivational too.Many of my doubts are well explained by bhai sahib ji.

Please accept my fateh from my heart for such a divine audio.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh!!

"[in this stage waheguru will wake you up himself with anhad bani.]"

WAHEGURU!!!!!!!

Thank you for the audio.

Gur fateh!

Anyone have a problem with dozing off during simran with eyes closed? I am finding that at times I am sometimes sliping into a sleep state yet still consious. It's like your body is falling asleep yet you are still consious and know you are falling asleep. Should you bring yourself back to fully awakened consiousness, or go with the flow....Any advice would be much appreciated..

This is the same thing happening to me.Since,it has been a long now for your experience,So I hope you can deliver right answer about it now.So what should I do? Sometime,I can't resist it to happen and on same other time ,mind starts shouting dont let lost yourself.Be awake!! So its kinda confusion to me.

VJKK VJKF

Same Questions bothered me a lot.I think this is the first distraction.When we start to think what it is or what is that? Or is the right track or not?This is the distraction itself.when we have no question like this,then only we are distraction free.I mean we should stop to think a lot.We are only moorakhs.So,we should pray each time,O waheguru I am only a moorkh ,I dontknow anything,I dont know what is wrong or right,I only know I love you and I want to be yours ,please hold my hand and save me at every wrong track.I dont want to be responsible for any misdeed I conduct.All is yours,please help me to cross this terrifying world ocean,I am not intereated in any ridhiaa or sidhiaa ,I dont know or want anything beside you.Waheguru ji does his kirpa on his beloved ones,so ultimately you will have no questions more.These questions that arise in our minds while meditation or naam simran is the first effect of distraction.Waheguru ji clears everything with time.he well knows what is the right time for us,when we are fully prepared to merge in him,Then everything happens with his grace.

So bottom line is we should not allow these questions to provoke our minds.Waheguru himself answers everything.But we should be interested in waheguru than the answers,thats when the ques are answered.So SIMRAN and thirst for NAAM is everything.

Fateh!!