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Bro, there is a saroop of maharaaj with vishrams. Please download it. There is a Alap vishraam after "ਚੁਪੈ". http://www.gurmatveechar.com/literature Bhul chuk maaf

Where are Sikhs in majority? Only in Punjab, which is under the Indian government. Where are Sikhs in power? No where on this planet. From a worldly perspective, Sikhs will never be able to do anything with numbers, as the numbers are very less. Most likely, the numbers will stay low in the future too. The situation is hopeless. Bhul chuk maaf

Germany made a blunder by invading Russia; and Japan by invading USA. Correct me if I am wrong, even Nazis were close to building an atomic bomb. Anyways, we are going off-topic. Back to Astrology - predicting future world events, is kind of different from predicting a person's future, by making his birth chart, looking at his palm, feet, etc. To predict the former, one needs a high spiritual state; for latter, astrology is good enough to get close. Bhul chuk maaf

Can you please explain the difference between a Brahamgyani and a Bhagat? Do you know that all our Bhagats and Panj Pyaray were Brahamgyanis too? Please don't make fun of a Gurbani term. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, you are mixing two concepts together. Astrology can predict future events, but cannot always change them. Whatever God has decided cannot be changed, only God/Brahamgyanis can change that. Even Germany was very advanced in warfare during world war 2, but they lost. Reason was the stupid decision made by Hitler to invade Russia, not because he lacked in modern technology. Bhul chuk maaf

cool.

Bro, doesn't "ਵ" and "ਬ" have different pronunciations? Bhul chuk maaf

Well, bro, there was a pundit jee, who was able to predict the future of third master, by looking at his holy foot. Bhul chuk maaf

ਦਿਬ ਦਿਸਟਿ, ਦੈਵੀ ਨਜ਼ਰ ਦੁਆਰਾ। http://www.khojgurbani.org/worddetail/gurmukhi/ਦਿਬ They might be same- ਦਿਵ or ਦਿਬ Bhul chuk maaf

Good point bro. A Brahamgyani can also look at a person and perform a medical diagnosis on him/her, using his drishtee, without assistance of modern medical equipment. Bhul chuk maaf

Dhan Guru Nanak......tu heen Nirankaar

Bro, if one says that Astrology has no place in Sikhi, it is similar to making a statement that Physics/Chemistry/Biology, etc have no place in Sikhi. Does that even make sense? Bhul chuk maaf

The same applies to a doctor too. God is above medical science, He can cure any illness/disease. Why go for blood tests, urine tests, ultrasounds, x-rays, etc? Even blood test results, have the potential to cause anxiety or sorrow in heart. Keep faith in God and he will fix you. Reality check - Only spiritually high people and Brahamgyanis can claim that they are above medical science, psychology, modern science, Astrology, etc. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, ask any mahapurakh (belonging to orthodox sects), most likely, everyone will agree that Astrology is not Pakhand. Bhul chuk maaf

ਝੂਠੁ ਨ ਬੋਲਿ ਪਾਡੇ ਸਚੁ ਕਹੀਐ The word "ਝੂਠੁ" is giving an indication that the pundit might be a pakhandee. Bhul chuk maaf

What is the uthanka of the shabad? Is the pandit, a pakhandee or not? Answer this question: Does the shabad below indicate, we should stop going to doctors or consuming medicines? ਕੋਟਿ ਬਿਘਨ ਹਿਰੇ ਖਿਨ ਮਾਹਿ ॥ Millions of obstacles are removed in an instant, ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਕਥਾ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਸੁਨਾਹਿ ॥੧॥ for those who listen to the Sermon of the Lord, Har, Har, in the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy. ||1|| ਪੀਵਤ ਰਾਮ ਰਸੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਗੁਣ ਜਾਸੁ ॥ They drink in the sublime essence of the Lord's Name, the Ambrosial Elixir. ਜਪਿ ਹਰਿ ਚਰਣ ਮਿਟੀ ਖੁਧਿ ਤਾਸੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Meditating on the Lord's Feet, hunger is taken away. ||1||Pause|| ਸਰਬ ਕਲਿਆਣ ਸੁਖ ਸਹਜ ਨਿਧਾਨ ॥ The treasure of all happiness, celestial peace and poise, ਜਾ ਕੈ ਰਿਦੈ ਵਸਹਿ ਭਗਵਾਨ ॥੨॥ are obtained by those, whose hearts are filled with the Lord God. ||2|| Page 196 ਅਉਖਧ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਤੰਤ ਸਭਿ ਛਾਰੁ ॥ All medicines and remedies, mantras and tantras are nothing more than ashes. ਕਰਣੈਹਾਰੁ ਰਿਦੇ ਮਹਿ ਧਾਰੁ ॥੩॥ Enshrine the Creator Lord within your heart. ||3|| ਤਜਿ ਸਭਿ ਭਰਮ ਭਜਿਓ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ॥ Renounce all your doubts, and vibrate upon the Supreme Lord God. ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਅਟਲ ਇਹੁ ਧਰਮੁ ॥੪॥੮੦॥੧੪੯॥ Says Nanak, this path of Dharma is eternal and unchanging. ||4||80||149|| Bhul chul maaf

Personal reason bro. Don't feel like saying it. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, don't compare a great field of study (invented by a Saint), to a whore. We must be thankful to Rikhi Bhrigu jee Maharaaj for giving us this gift. If someone misuses it, then it is not Rikhi jee's fault. Even modern medical science can be misused - abortions, female infanticides, etc Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, Daas meant, it is a field of study just like Physics, Chemistry, Biology, etc. Bhul chuk maaf

One who has full belief in Satguru jee, also does not need any worldly education, doctors, family support, bank accounts, housing, clothing, etc Bhul chuk maaf That should apply to all kinds of troubles, including medical ones. But, most likely, most of us will go to a doctor, rather that turning to only Satguru jee for curing our diseases. Bhul chuk maaf

Is there any verse, which clearly prohibits a Sikh from going to a Astrologer? Medical science can be compared to astrology. Both are sciences. Above all, astrology was invented by a Saint. Bhul chuk maaf

The word "ਗਣਤ " can also refer to Math and accounting. ਗਣਤ - ਗਿਣਤੀ, ਗਿਣਤੀ-ਮਿਣਤੀ, ਲੇਖਾ, ਲਾਖਾ-ਜੋਖਾ। http://www.khojgurbani.org/worddetail/gurmukhi/ਗਣਤ Does that mean, we must stop studying math or accounting at school? Even if "ਗਣਤ" refers to accounting, according to your line of thinking, the below verse indicates that medicines should not be taken. ਅਉਖਧ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਤੰਤ ਸਭਿ ਛਾਰੁ ॥ All medicines and remedies, mantras and tantras are nothing more than ashes. Does that mean, we should stop going to doctors or consuming medicines? Bhul chuk maaf

Hopefully, some Singh on this forum has gone to a good astrologer, who can guide me, so that wastage of money and time is limited. Bhul chuk maaf

Heard of another sakhi, where a person was given the boon of Astrology. Tenth master stopped at his place, while on his way to Deccan region and asked him about Aurengzeb. The person was able to correctly predict that Aurengzeb will not be able to have darshan of Satguru jee. Bro, your point makes sense, but even other sciences have limitations too, including medical, in front of Maharaaj. That does not mean, we must stop going to doctors. Bhul chuk maaf

From a Gurmat perspective, one can divide Astrology into two parts. First part is going to an astrologer and asking him about your future - This is not against Gurmat. Second part is following astrologer's advice - This part might be against Gurmat. Bhul chuk maaf