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Sad state of affairs the government are doing this because they are not giving the jatts enough money for their crops. And yet should all the jatts give up work the india will go hungry !

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But alot of them are there FREE, wiping their karams clean and changing their destinys Seva is Seva. I understand your points

Das can recall that das spoke to the das sangat and das can see that even though they may be ilegal immigrants they still have Guru das da pyar

makes you wonder where all the singhs are? Japping naam, or doing some less constructive like fighting over minor issues

vah vey vah, did you know more than 60% of the seva to make this gurdwara is by mone, ie: non- hair keeping sikhs

Those that do not eat from the langar are moorakhs, too much ego in their minds, and yet they could more than likely eat from a local shop. Hypocrites, I know guys who have taken it to the level of not eating from their own mothers :shock: Let me narrate one story, a great jatha in the panth came to our local sant gurdwara and all sat together narrated bani, sung kirtan and talked with love. When it came to langar the singhs said "No we cannot eat it " it has been prepared by bibiya in the langar hall who do nidiya and we do not know what they have put in it. And I thought oh yeah they would poison the food that they make everyday for the sangat wouldn't they? Then the sant baba ji said, would you lik some sweets instead ? handed some Quality street choclates and they took them, then the baba ji said "Do you know were those sweets have come from, or who made them" They replied no but they keep major sucham in making these sweets. baba ji said How do you know? As Baba Maan Singh one who has helped millions to take amrit, said when das handed him a spring role, Ki Sucha Ki Jhootha (What is Clean,what is Dirty) Moral of the story: eat what you need to eat, have some cleaniness but don't over do it, no meat though or eggs or anything else (depending on your views) if your gonna do meat kill it with your own hands

Now that Pope has pasted the task to choose next pope is in process http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4310789.stm Question how does a jathedar especially with Nihung circles become chosen?

The sad shame that I see is that more that 95% of the people on the net have never met Nihung Niddar Singh and use the below when in the real fact he is a very down to earth guy whos willing to teach people Shastar Vidiya but because of personal issues and alliances/place where they have taken amrit from, or family ties within gurdwara,sant/baba followers alot of youth miss out on clsses in fear of being labelled Nihung etc GO TO THE CLASSES THEY ARE LIKE "MR KIPLINGS,EXCEEDINGLY GOOD" "UK Nihangs" "Sanatan" "admin-cut" etc in them, simply because they descend into hysteria and finger pointing along the lines of "my fourth cousin twice removed once met a bloke on the bus who overheard someone talking to Nidar Singh on a crackly mobile phone and he said . . . "

True say but if someone asks a question they are looking for an answer always good to help people now matter how pointless the question maybe everyone is at different levels of understanding

If you look at the kakkars they are all practical, Kes covered against dust + gurus nishani Kangha in the kesh/under pug so when you wrap or unwrap the kangha is there to comb staright away to comb beautiful nishani Kirpan, sheathed as if you withdraw your sword blood has to be drawn, else you recite shastar nam mala http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=1356 and only time when you clean your kirpan the same shabad could/should be recited Kachera, is not always covered by pyjama/trousers only in west and people in granthi positons as if you see bana of Guru Gobind Singh, worn by nihungs(sorry to say it for all nihung haters) the kachera is on loosly covered, and if you look at original bana big kacheras used to be worn and singhs would wear 2 kachera so if one was split /be torn you maintain decency. As for Kara, not practical at all to cover it as its unseen weapon. Thats my thoughts anyone expand on that

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Any one put this on the net yet ?

Good point we are all waheguru and Guru Nanak Dev Ji's light is within us which is wahegurus light. So they/we are not different we are all the same

The Supreme jathedar of the Panth is "Waheguru" 2nd in command is Guru Nanak

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050415/punjab1.htm#14

‘chaliha’ sorry what is this?

Whos knows, it might be marayda in some dals joke for all you paranoid singhs

Nice piece The followers of Baba Santa Singh said that he had decided to rejoin the Sikh Panth for the “high spirits†of the Khalsa Panth. They said his step would be inspiration for others. Baba Udhe Singh nephew of Baba Santa Singh, Maharaj Singh, Baba Partap Singh and Mr Prithipal Singh, Personal assistant to Jathedar Vedanti played crucial role for bringing Baba Santa Singh into the Sikh fold. It may be recalled that at many occasions, especially during the Hola Mohalla processions, the followers of Baba Santa Singh and the SGPC and common Sikh would confront with each other. It was age old tradition that the chief of Budha Dal would lead the procession on such occasions. With his rejoining the Sikh Panth, these festivals would now be celebrated peacefully.

Didn't think of it that way thanks

Being a bit of Sikhi Lover its only fair that eveyone gets a view be they akj/taksali/nihungs. I thought I may aswell add a few bits here, at Hollah Mahalla/ Vaiskahi All the head Nihungs sit under Buddha Dal this is a fact this includes Baba Nihal Singh /Baba Dyal Singh etc We all feel pained by 1984 and still hope for support for those that lost their lives and for the panthic love to spread if it every will no one can say, becuase we pull our own people down. Seeing this link: These are some of the gurdwaras that are under supervision of Buddha Dal http://www.budhadal.com/Gurudawras.htm We say big deal I can just think of a few facts that I see and heard and researched 1) Nihang Major Singh preserving the dumala maryada on his campaign to help the panth stop cutting their hair 2) Nihang Baba Nihal Singh giving up maryada too keep up panthic unity 3) Nihung Baba Balle Singh (Tarna Dal) lives at Gurdwara Sat Sahib, Hosipur lives outside the gurdwara and their to protect it and Sant Sat Sahib is the parcharik/sant there for the sangat. 3) Baba Prem Singh Top right in the banner guard of Mata Sahib Kaur Gurdwara 4) Buddha Dal Printed Sarbloh Granth for the Sangat which was refused to be printed by Damdami taksal this may not have been considered panthic but still we move on and keep respect for each other 5) During the days before 1850's all the Singhs were effectively Nihung which means one way or another our own families were nihungs or intiated by Nihungs if taking amrit “A Sik’h wishing to become a Singh... goes to the Akalees, or priests of the sect, at Amrutsur, who ask him if he wishes to become a convert to their persuasion, and... after the performance of certain ceremonies, he is given to drink a sherbet made of sugar and water, from the hand of an Akalee.†Captain Matthews, 1808 6) Baba Prem Singh Buddha dal wale, Chief of Punjab Bank shows not all Nihungs are layabouts.okmaybe only one tryin to think of more decent examples at the moment 7) The loved Nihung Niddar Singh for keeping ShastarVidiya Alive and Preserved and teaching the UK sangat (weather you like/dislike snatan idelogy) he is a dedicated and very commited to the maryada of the puratan sama,. 8) Nihungs keep the old ways of the maryada, weather people agree or not its there and more than liely will remain, and do not dow to the government politcs http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=6686 9) Baba Hari Singh/Baba Bakala Tarna Dal helped hunt down and capture the murderer Dodgey Nihang Phoola Singh and had him arrested 10) Buddha Dal School in Patiala, last year recieved the the highest grades in Punjab 11) Baba Nihal Singh is building a girls college on the road to Chandigarh to help increase the the standard of girls education in punjab 12) Keeping Melas,Hollah Mahaala alive 13) Nihungs are the only ones who maintain the bana in its original form 14) Late Nihung Baba Kirtan Singh for keeping the Mosque that Guru Hargobind made for his muslim soldiers and handing it back to muslims 15) The Great Nihung loved by all Nihung Avtaar Singh Brahmaaa that in 1984 shot police dead when he found out that they were raping kuria in the pind Forget the Polictics and just do seva and see what you can do for sikhi rather than relying on Nihungs and worrying about what thye are doing for Sikhi If anyone else has anything to add please do so, if you want to criticise go ahead

Oh look theres a cloud of smoke

How do we know if he's brahm gyani? because I read Sukhmani sahib and in their its says only god knows if someone is a brahmgyani or not. Yes he is jathedar but brahm gyani only god knows