tva prasad

Story of Allahdin:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/burt1k1/tale30.htm 

Charitar #5:

6 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

I think it definitely would have been, seeing as the stories were from around India region, and also with it being a persian work I would say it would have been part of the language culture in the moghal darbar.

The original was written in Arabic. It might have been translated to Persian, though.

12 hours ago, amardeep said:

Is there anything to suggest that Arabian nights was read and studied in Mughal India ?

There was a popular show called "Alif Layla" on TV,  I remember watching it when I was young. So I think they were read in mughal India and probably afterwards, too. 

14 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

She didn’t tell 1001 stories but spread the stories out over 1001 nights. 

I think there are some 300 odd stories. 

At the end of the telling she had borne the King 3 children (1001 nights is almost 3 years) and then she asked the king whether there was any justice in killing the mother of young children so the King rescinded the sentence on her.

Apparently the original had 1000 tales.

Source: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101219080335AAKMNjE 

Doesn't really matter,  though. We can still compare. 

2 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Does she eventually survive the beheading?

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Yes, she told Shahrayar half of the story each night. This made the Shah curious of the rest of the story so he did not behead her as he wanted to hear the rest. She repeated this for 1001 stories. When she had told 1001 tales she ran out of tales to tell, however by this time the Shah had fallen in love with her and spared her life. 

22 minutes ago, paapiman said:

How about just putting up Nara's translations (for future Charitars) and leaving out Bindra's? What u say?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Is Nara's translation more accurate? 

Both of the plots seem to have a king who has an unfaithful wife. Due to the wife's unfaithfulness other characters in the narrative (Hanuwant SIngh in CP and the king's brides in Arabian Nights) are made to bear harsh punishments even though they may be innocent. In both pieces of literature the king has a wise person who helps him to make better decisions through the telling of many tales that teach lessons.  

Let's start with the plot of the 1001 Arabian Nights and Chartiropakhyan. 

1001 Arabian Nights plot:

A Sultan, Shahrayar one day find out that his wife is cheating on him with a black cook. He beheads both the cook and the wife. Later, he goes to visit his brother, Shah Zaman, who is also a king. He witnesses his brother's wife cheating on his brother with a black slave. He then witnesses an unfaithful wife of a Jinn. Shah Shahrayar later went back to his kingdom, resolving to marry a woman and behead her in the morning just to repeat this cycle again. One day a smart woman, daughter of his Wazir was married to him. She told him stories, to keep her life. These stories became the 1001 Arabian Nights. 

Source: http://www.wollamshram.ca/1001/Vol_1/vol1.htm  

Charitropakhyan plot:

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King Chitra Singh of Chitravati married a damsel from Indra's kingdom, and had a son named Hanuvant Singh through her. When the king got old, she deserted him and fled from his kingdom. He ordered a search party to find her, but instead found another similar looking girl named Chitramati, who was the daughter of the ruler of Orissa. He married her after he won a fight with her father, the ruler of Orissa. Chitramati was about the age of the son of Chitra Singh, and she got heavily attracted to him. She tried to seduce him into sexual relationship, but he was not to go for incest. She in turn, arranged a high profile drama and accused Hanuvant Singh of raping her, which the King Chitra Singh believed and sentenced his son to death.

The wise adviser of the King knew that his second wife was not of a pious character and was falsely blaming Hanuvant Singh. In order to prevent this injustice to be inflicted onto Hanuvant Singh, the adviser shared various accounts of stories depicting different situations intended to make the King realize his folly and improve his decision making skill

Source: http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Charitropakhyan 

16 minutes ago, paapiman said:

The audio link below by Raqbewale, clarifies confusion on this matter (of meat eating).

http://kam1825.podbean.com/e/who-can-eat-chatka-and-what-effect-does-it-have-on-the-individual/

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Makes much more sense. Thanks a lot, man.

9 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Yes. Please have a look at the historical references below.

http://jhatkamaryada.com/jhatka/maas/ithihaas/

 

Bhul chuk maaf

I have a slight doubt in my mind, is meat only for nihangs?

In the past, the sikhs had to fight so they would have consumed it, however during the current times mainstream sikhs don't really fight. So are mainstream sikhs allowed to eat it or is a vegetarian diet recommended for us? 

Taksalis say to avoid meat. Are there exceptions for who can eat meat and who can't? 

I'm not saying the practice of jhatka is wrong or anything, I'm just confused about when and by whom it is to be practiced. 

Thanks, brother. 

The shah was a gullible person (easily believed the swindler was an aristocrat), naive (inexperienced in the ways others' tricks, he did not doubt the thief) and was not alert (he slept as the thief accumulated his wealth). Guru ji is telling us that one should stay alert especially if he holds a high position.

54 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Did he send someone to you?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Lol, not yet bro. XD

3 hours ago, paapiman said:

How long does it take to become a doctor in Australia? Is the process similar to the one in Canada?

Sorry for going off-topic.

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

It takes 9-13 years. I want to be a surgeon so it will take me more than 9 years. I think it's worth it, though. I like the profession. 

This is why Inder Dev sends his apsaras to rishis, muni and tapsavis. Sexual intercourse really disrupts Bhagati because it effects shaktis within our bodies.

25 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Did you understand the line below. If so, can you please explain.

"The semen is transmuted by means of Maithuna into subtle vapors...."

Thanks a lot

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Maithuna is yoga term, it's sacred sex by which we derive pleasure from within. It is when feminine and masculine energies are in complete balance causing immense tranquility and peace. It's when shiv and shakti are in complete balance. 

You can read more about if you wish:

http://mindful-yoga.blogspot.com/2014/04/maithuna-sacred-sex.html?m=1 

Therefore, semen is transmuted to subtle vapours (in order to be changed into energy from there), through Maithuna. 

2 hours ago, paapiman said:

Why are you wondering? Is it because "Shah" is usually a Muslim name?

Shah just means a rich person, as we say in Punjabi, "Shah Banda".

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Oh, that makes more sense. I was thinking shah as in ruler.

Was jhatka usually practiced before battles? 

1 hour ago, paapiman said:

Lack of thorough investigation on the part of the Shah and Chitar Singh, before making a decision.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

The shah has a Hindu name, I wonder why, what are your views on this? 

@chatanga1 Have you read the Allahdin story yet? It is sort of similar to that story in CP where the yogi kidnaps the girl and a prince saves her (I forgot the name of this tale). In Allahdin a magician kidnaps a girl (Jasmine but I think had a different name) in a disappearing castle and I think Allahdin saves her. 

@paapimanYo, if anyone else wanna read'em there's pdf's available.

http://www.burtoniana.org/books/1885-Arabian Nights/

If you don't want to download all these PDF's, you're in luck because there is an online version available:

http://www.wollamshram.ca/1001/index.htm

The Shah left his faithful wife, Sheel Manjari for a vile woman. The similarity with the original tale can be seen as King Chitar Singh is trying to give his filial and righteous son a death penalty for his vile wife. 

The "Tale of Sheel Manjari" illustrated that women can do anything to get what they want, in this case the man the woman desired. In this way the smart minister gets Raja Chitar Singh to think from a different perspective, i.e. that Chitar Mati may indeed be fooling him and that Hanuwant Singh is not guilty. 

Even though, Sheel Manjari was very faithful to him, just for one gaze the Shah left her. He did not bother to think that his wife was faithful. In the original tale, Chitar Singh did not care about the righteous nature of his son and was ready to think that he was guilty. This applies to real-life in a sense, if someone is good at something or is a good person in general one slip can cost their whole reputation and people will only remember the mistake. Guru ji is telling us that we must think before we act or otherwise we might cause unnecessary disturbances in our lives.  

@DeNiro this website explains it well:

https://gnosticteachings.org/glossary/o/2678-ojas.html 

This is where all the pati-parmeshwar stuff comes in. The practice is good for chastity= ojas. 

11 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

okay,if I understood this correctly...….. The ojas is actually the subtle energy in spinal fluid that travels up and down chakras?? possibly in cerebrospinal fluid(CSF)??

and if so, then this same energy can either be transformed and directed upwards to a perfect God like divine energy or it can be directed downwards without effort like gravity, into dirty/sexual energy ?

 

I think ojas stays in the brain from there it functions.

Ojas is transformed from sexual energy into spiritual energy through preserving semen.

I personally like dogs better too. 

31 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Has anyone one of the above pacharaks mentioned the significance of red and what lal rang kisko lagaah is referring to spiritually?

Red is an important color and a few thngs happen at that avastha.  Most advanced abyasees know this. Have any of the above mentioned it because I'm unable to sit through and listen attentively.

Are you kindly willing to share a little more about the importance of the colour red (spiritually)?