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I am glad sangat like this kinda deep vichar.
The way I understood regarding Atma. There is no difference between Atma and Chetan (Pure Being Awareness) and that in bhramgyan avastha one see chetna everywhere. Once ego or mind is lost nothing matters because nothing is all chetna / awareness
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Here is small recording remixed with meditation music attached, it's short 2:08 mins ..must listen.
Pure Aware Being - Internal Ocean of Knowledge Awareness - Copy.mp3
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Any thoughts on q and a in orginal post? Anyone?
How do you guys find it
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Good discussion all around, all views are welcome here even polar opposite ones.
Main crux here is Sri guru granth sahib ji is our Ishat Dev Guru not Agni. Objectification of Sri guru granth sahib ensues bhagti results in one of five types of mukti which is parvan in gurmat.
What does objectification of fire ensues ? Not much except if you are really esoteric knows essence(tat) of fire and really into vedant
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To be honest, don't think normal mass are receptive towards esoteric fire symbolism. I would say only rare individuals have dhian birthi of sargun/nirgun in same breath/flow or moment. Lot of us are caught up or stuck in pointers rather whats pointer pointing towards.
Due to maya, our senses are drawn towards objectification. Ultimately, since our dharam is gurmat advait marg - over objectification of sargun is not encouraged . I agree with bhai vir singh positions on over exaggeration worship of sargun rituals as many have fallen into.
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I think it was recorded, it was under this link:
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I remember talking to sant jagjit singh ji harkhowale about this. Whilst he never downplayed havan ritual itself -udasi and nirmale do with gurbani mantras invoke shaheed singhs. He did mentioned In our tradition, havan is practical instead of offering havan /fire to deities instead fire is used in langar to cook and gurbani is reciten.
Now thats practical.
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Depending on seeker perception towards gurbani, if seekers feel and see gurbani as jagat gyan jot (Pure knowledge/awareness) approach it with no mind-thoughtless/no forna just being one with reciting gurbani or gurbani shabad. It will burn thousands years of conditioning instantly.
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Here is one more:
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My humble namaskar to khalsa aid and sikhs who do this kinda of seva. At one point i even criticize them ..i was more of a fool than i am now.
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Thanks bro that helps
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Not sure but you can always go see him in india when you are down there next. Enjoy the katha for now
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Here is the attached picture and context where the word uththan used:
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Does anyone know the meaning of - Uththaan? I will attach the term in the proper context shortly.
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They were here in toronto oct 9 onwards, they even did katha at malton gurdwara then nanaksar for one day, also went to BC.
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Its paradox, it exist for human consciousness stuck on relative level/ identify itself with mind/body but for those who identify with atma-pure awareness/consciouness-chetna.. hell or heaven doesnt exist. Hence the rejection of both by bhagat kabir ji.
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Anyone have bikrami sikh calendar 2018? Please post it here
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Any updates on jagtar singh jaggi case? I signed petition when it first came out. I have feeling he should be released soon as international pressure is been mounting on GOI. I think CDN politicans from all political stripes bought up this issue with UK.
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ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਘਰੁ ੧
रागु सूही महला ५ घरु १
Rāg sūhī mėhlā 5 gẖar 1
Raag Soohee, Fifth Mehl, First House:
ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
ੴ सतिगुर प्रसादि ॥
Ik▫oaʼnkār saṯgur parsāḏ.
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:
ਬਾਜੀਗਰਿ ਜੈਸੇ ਬਾਜੀ ਪਾਈ ॥
बाजीगरि जैसे बाजी पाई ॥
Bājīgar jaise bājī pā▫ī.
The actor stages the play,
ਨਾਨਾ ਰੂਪ ਭੇਖ ਦਿਖਲਾਈ ॥
नाना रूप भेख दिखलाई ॥
Nānā rūp bẖekẖ ḏikẖlā▫ī.
playing the many characters in different costumes;
ਸਾਂਗੁ ਉਤਾਰਿ ਥੰਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਿਓ ਪਾਸਾਰਾ ॥
सांगु उतारि थम्हिओ पासारा ॥
Sāʼng uṯār thamiĥa▫o pāsārā.
but when the play ends, he takes off the costumes,
ਤਬ ਏਕੋ ਏਕੰਕਾਰਾ ॥੧॥
तब एको एकंकारा ॥१॥
Ŧab eko ekankārā. ||1||
and then he is one, and only one. ||1||
ਕਵਨ ਰੂਪ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿਓ ਬਿਨਸਾਇਓ ॥
कवन रूप द्रिसटिओ बिनसाइओ ॥
Kavan rūp ḏaristi▫o binsā▫i▫o.
How many forms and images appeared and disappeared?
ਕਤਹਿ ਗਇਓ ਉਹੁ ਕਤ ਤੇ ਆਇਓ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
कतहि गइओ उहु कत ते आइओ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Kaṯėh ga▫i▫o uho kaṯ ṯe ā▫i▫o. ||1|| rahā▫o.
Where have they gone? Where did they come from? ||1||Pause||
ਜਲ ਤੇ ਊਠਹਿ ਅਨਿਕ ਤਰੰਗਾ ॥
जल ते ऊठहि अनिक तरंगा ॥
Jal ṯe ūṯẖėh anik ṯarangā.
Countless waves rise up from the water.
ਕਨਿਕ ਭੂਖਨ ਕੀਨੇ ਬਹੁ ਰੰਗਾ ॥
कनिक भूखन कीने बहु रंगा ॥
Kanik bẖūkẖan kīne baho rangā.
Jewels and ornaments of many different forms are fashioned from gold.
ਬੀਜੁ ਬੀਜਿ ਦੇਖਿਓ ਬਹੁ ਪਰਕਾਰਾ ॥
बीजु बीजि देखिओ बहु परकारा ॥
Bīj bīj ḏekẖi▫o baho parkārā.
I have seen seeds of all kinds being planted -
ਫਲ ਪਾਕੇ ਤੇ ਏਕੰਕਾਰਾ ॥੨॥
फल पाके ते एकंकारा ॥२॥
Fal pāke ṯe ekankārā. ||2||
when the fruit ripens, the seeds appear in the same form as the original. ||2||
ਸਹਸ ਘਟਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਆਕਾਸੁ ॥
सहस घटा महि एकु आकासु ॥
Sahas gẖatā mėh ek ākās.
The one sky is reflected in thousands of water jugs,
ਘਟ ਫੂਟੇ ਤੇ ਓਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਗਾਸੁ ॥
घट फूटे ते ओही प्रगासु ॥
Gẖat fūte ṯe ohī pargās.
but when the jugs are broken, only the sky remains.
ਭਰਮ ਲੋਭ ਮੋਹ ਮਾਇਆ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥
भरम लोभ मोह माइआ विकार ॥
Bẖaram lobẖ moh mā▫i▫ā vikār.
Doubt comes from greed, emotional attachment and the corruption of Maya.
ਭ੍ਰਮ ਛੂਟੇ ਤੇ ਏਕੰਕਾਰ ॥੩॥
भ्रम छूटे ते एकंकार ॥३॥
Bẖaram cẖẖūte ṯe ekankār. ||3||
Freed from doubt, one realizes the One Lord alone. ||3||
ਓਹੁ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਬਿਨਸਤ ਨਾਹੀ ॥
ओहु अबिनासी बिनसत नाही ॥
Oh abẖināsī binsaṯ nāhī.
He is imperishable; He will never pass away.
ਨਾ ਕੋ ਆਵੈ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਜਾਹੀ ॥
ना को आवै ना को जाही ॥
Nā ko āvai nā ko jāhī.
He does not come, and He does not go.
ਗੁਰਿ ਪੂਰੈ ਹਉਮੈ ਮਲੁ ਧੋਈ ॥
गुरि पूरै हउमै मलु धोई ॥
Gur pūrai ha▫umai mal ḏẖo▫ī.
The Perfect Guru has washed away the filth of ego.
ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਮੇਰੀ ਪਰਮ ਗਤਿ ਹੋਈ ॥੪॥੧॥
कहु नानक मेरी परम गति होई ॥४॥१॥
Kaho Nānak merī param gaṯ ho▫ī. ||4||1||
Says Nanak, I have obtained the supreme status. ||4||1|| -
Absoultely mind blowing shabd below:
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Whats new in this ongoing saga? I've asked sant jagjit singh ji harkhowale, what exactly happened to dhandrianwale? why sudden U turn? Sant ji said in ramaz, vahiguroo ji de khel. With that being said, harkhowale sant did immense parchar against missionaries before and this time when he came to canada and uk when they especially start targetting amrit vela.
IMHO, i think dhandrianwale gotten haywire totally when harnam singh made attempt to take him out. I think that was turning point. He should have said #@ck it , i am out - no more parchar , should have gotten into private life, have nice estate up up in mountains rather than going missionary.
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10 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:
He aint gonna win, too many quebec racists. He is gonna mess up the liberals as well cause he is spliting the vote. I predict a conservative minority government.
Im voting liberal though.
agreed with you totally. I think to be honest, he should be aiming for official opposition not party in power as it end up splitting votes. He should target conservatives equally as many desis are conservatives too, get them in swinging to centrist position atleast if not far far left than far right atleast.
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21 minutes ago, paapiman said:
Where have you been? Everything alright?
Bhul chuk maaf
Just been busy with family ,work and also been more involved into technical features of sikhawareness in backend.
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9 hours ago, MrDoaba said:
NeoSingh?
Yea it's me. I like this id better it's less self centric and more unified.
Sahib mera Nit Nava Sada Sada Dataar ||
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This Gurbani mahavak pankiti - Sahib mera Nit Nava Sada Sada Dataar || has so much depth.
The way i understood this pankiti is that one universal pure aware being (ikOngkar) / absolute truth is EVER FRESH-ALIVE AND NEW moment to moment assert itself moment to moment to moment- ever fresh and new , expresses itself into infinite ways and in infinite ever fresh and new epiphanies.
Hence, why we cannot approach Vahiguru ji with conceptual knowledge, expereinces, out of memory, past or future but Now ETERNALLY PRESENT !!
Sada Sada Datar
Always always eternal giver.
Your thoughts please?